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what to do when mods commit offenses.
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post Nov 6 2005, 01:34 PM
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If a mod ever commits an offense, how should it be handled? Should we treat the offense as we would any other? Or should we give a harder/easier punishment? I've seen mods break rules before, and nothing happens to them simply becasue they are mods. I feel taht we should be objective when it comes to enforcing the rules, and that we should treat a mod the same way we would treat any other member.
 
 
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post Nov 6 2005, 03:04 PM
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that would be my major example, yes, but it has also happened with others, for instance justin (sadolakced_acid) and jose (solipsist) that i can think of off the top of my head.
 
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post Nov 6 2005, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(racoons > you @ Nov 6 2005, 3:04 PM)
that would be my major example, yes, but it has also happened with others, for instance justin (sadolakced_acid) and jose (solipsist) that i can think of off the top of my head.
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I don't mean to call you out specifically, but since you brought it up, I'm going to use your example since it is a fairly good example. (I hope you understand where I'm coming from.)

To be honest, I think this is an example of exactly what I am talking about when I say that all members, regardless of experience or position on cB, need to be held to a higher standard. Again, I don't mean to call you out specifically, but sometimes you and tweeak do get into spam-like conversations in threads that could be better handled over IM or PM's. You might not see it as a distraction, but others do. However, you're very seldomly called on it because you have been around a lot and tweeak is a mod; however, you know very well that if a member who had been here for, say, a month or so, or only had maybe fifty posts, did the same thing, there'd be a dozen people, undoubtedly some of them mods, who would instantly respond with "Don't spam."

It is the duty of the people with more posts counts and more experience on cB to set an example for new members. This definitely includes mods. Mods should hold themselves to a higher standard. You should never see a mod going off on a long personal conversation in a thread that has little or nothing to do with the topic at hand. Mods, and experienced members, should try their best to set an example.

While that is a good argument for holding mods to a higher standard and punishing them more severely, they are also just normal people after all. They want to have fun, too. So I can understand not wanting to hold mods to tougher standards, which is why I take the position that they should be held to the same standards as a normal member, but should not be "let off the hook" for offenses that other members would get warned for. Note that this means that other mods do need to take an active role in policing themselves, and have the nerves to stand up to other mods.

Furthermore, allowing relaxed rules for long-term members and mods creates a sort of "clique" on cB that makes it seem as though people are more important than others merely because they have been around here longer. People talk about the "drama" on cB all the time--well, if you want to see the cause, just look at the various cliques that have popped up around here in an effort to make some people seem more important or otherwise privileged than other members. That is something we most certainly do not need and do not want to encourage. Therefore, I think that the same standards that apply to regular members must apply to mods and admins--no more, no less.

(And please, I hope that no one gets the feeling I am specifically picking on certain members. I am merely using an example that has been brought up--I certainly do not hate or even dislike anyone I used in my example. I'm also not saying that everything I said in my post strictly applies to those I mentioned--while I used an example, mostly I'm speaking in a broad sense. I hope no one takes my post in an offensive manner because it was not meant to be delivered in the spirit of a personal attack.)
 

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not_your_average   what to do when mods commit offenses.   Nov 6 2005, 01:34 PM
not_your_average   Well, since we know the mods should have the same ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:02 PM
mipadi   I think the rules should apply the same way, with ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:21 PM
mipadi   There are several admins, so the other ones could ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:27 PM
mipadi   Two admins...does that include micron? I mean, he ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:32 PM
jooleeah   ^ He's not an admin. Only an advisor. I'm ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:34 PM
mipadi   Well, we're arguing semantics. Generally speak...   Nov 6 2005, 02:39 PM
racoons > you   well, the onus is really on the other moderators. ...   Nov 6 2005, 02:49 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(racoons > you @ Nov 6 2005, 2:49 PM)...   Nov 6 2005, 02:56 PM
racoons > you   that would be my major example, yes, but it has al...   Nov 6 2005, 03:04 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(racoons > you @ Nov 6 2005, 3:04 PM)...   Nov 6 2005, 03:13 PM
mzkandi   QUOTE(mipadi @ Nov 6 2005, 4:13 PM)I don...   Nov 6 2005, 06:05 PM
racoons > you   i dont mind you using me as an example, its a good...   Nov 6 2005, 03:21 PM
tweeak   Now, I consider myself to be a pretty good mod. An...   Nov 6 2005, 03:35 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(tweeak @ Nov 6 2005, 3:35 PM)While I do...   Nov 6 2005, 07:08 PM
racoons > you   ^ i love you. i also feel like having a spam cha...   Nov 6 2005, 03:37 PM
not_your_average   Well, Nicki, why can't you install an instant ...   Nov 6 2005, 03:52 PM
tweeak   Do you really think I'm stupid enough to use t...   Nov 6 2005, 03:58 PM
racoons > you   nicki cant because her rents wont allow it. and i...   Nov 6 2005, 03:58 PM
incoherent   like nicki said, little spam fests are nothing. pe...   Nov 6 2005, 04:00 PM
racoons > you   i would SO be on a police force! anyway.   Nov 6 2005, 04:00 PM
incoherent   james, you would SO be hated by most. actually, i...   Nov 6 2005, 04:03 PM
tweeak   No one likes a tattle tail. We can't really ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:11 PM
incoherent   i say we drop it and keep things as they are. no o...   Nov 6 2005, 04:14 PM
[pshaa]shauna   Honestly, if people keep complaining about it, may...   Nov 6 2005, 04:18 PM
incoherent   ^ whats the point in turning the post count off if...   Nov 6 2005, 04:23 PM
racoons > you   ^ oh.. we TRIED teh spamming where it didnt affec...   Nov 6 2005, 04:24 PM
[pshaa]shauna   ^ Well that's just plain stupid. Spam should b...   Nov 6 2005, 04:24 PM
racoons > you   i know what you meant, but there is no way to make...   Nov 6 2005, 04:25 PM
[pshaa]shauna   But forum games doesnt affect post count, I've...   Nov 6 2005, 04:26 PM
incoherent   someone said it effected ppd, but i dont think it ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:27 PM
racoons > you   it doesnt affect POST COUNT it does affect POST P...   Nov 6 2005, 04:27 PM
[pshaa]shauna   Well how on earth does that work? That's actua...   Nov 6 2005, 04:28 PM
tweeak   ^I agree No, that's what he's saying- it ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:29 PM
incoherent   well on my forum, if someone joins the first day a...   Nov 6 2005, 04:30 PM
tweeak   But honestly, not too many people have conversatio...   Nov 6 2005, 04:33 PM
incoherent   thats true. i think this has accomplished nothing ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:34 PM
[pshaa]shauna   ^ x2 Really. Most people who actually care about t...   Nov 6 2005, 04:34 PM
racoons > you   i dont think anyone actually does, even including ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:35 PM
incoherent   ^x2 what shes saying, is people that usually have ...   Nov 6 2005, 04:35 PM
tweeak   Steven is a spiteful spammer. Period. Well, where...   Nov 6 2005, 04:40 PM
incoherent   alright, so well just end this now. a mod cannot p...   Nov 6 2005, 04:42 PM
racoons > you   QUOTEWell, where did she really intend for this to...   Nov 6 2005, 06:07 PM
mzkandi   ^ So there, what?   Nov 6 2005, 06:09 PM
racoons > you   just... so there. meaning i disagree. and i hav...   Nov 6 2005, 06:15 PM
not_your_average   I'm sorry if you feel that way, Nicki. I never...   Nov 6 2005, 06:15 PM
racoons > you   i promise, neither nicki or i take offense we jus...   Nov 6 2005, 06:16 PM
incoherent   okay, now that this is reopened, not_your_average,...   Nov 6 2005, 06:17 PM
racoons > you   than it has changed since we had that orgy (long s...   Nov 6 2005, 06:19 PM
mona lisa   I have in fact seen members' profile pages and...   Nov 6 2005, 06:26 PM
disco infiltrator   I thought it did. People said it did...I had no r...   Nov 6 2005, 06:26 PM
racoons > you   see? im not insane.   Nov 6 2005, 06:26 PM
incoherent   i believe it does increase your ppd...but like i s...   Nov 6 2005, 06:28 PM
racoons > you   thats just so unlikely... you wouldnt actually not...   Nov 6 2005, 06:30 PM
incoherent   alright, so i guess since this isnt getting anywhe...   Nov 6 2005, 06:37 PM
mona lisa   How many times did you post and in which forum(s)?   Nov 6 2005, 06:37 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(racoons > you @ Nov 6 2005, 6:19 PM)...   Nov 6 2005, 06:54 PM
racoons > you   i enjoy the fact that nicki and my motions and rea...   Nov 6 2005, 07:00 PM
tweeak   God, that was a distressing sentence Jicky? (you...   Nov 6 2005, 07:04 PM
racoons > you   i've been working on a drama project for over ...   Nov 6 2005, 07:08 PM
incoherent   nicki...my post per day is always changing no matt...   Nov 6 2005, 07:10 PM
tweeak   I'm not saying it's okay, but again, I don...   Nov 6 2005, 07:12 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(tweeak @ Nov 6 2005, 7:12 PM)But when t...   Nov 6 2005, 07:14 PM
tweeak   I try to give more than one verbal warning, though...   Nov 6 2005, 07:15 PM
mzkandi   Well I will say you can count on me not to be bias...   Nov 6 2005, 07:15 PM
incoherent   QUOTE(mzkandi @ Nov 6 2005, 6:15 PM)Well I wi...   Nov 6 2005, 07:18 PM
racoons > you   generally, nicki and i do stop when we are told......   Nov 6 2005, 07:17 PM
not_your_average   Well, Spencer, I just wanted to make by-laws for h...   Nov 6 2005, 07:17 PM
tweeak   James makes a good point. We do stop when we'r...   Nov 6 2005, 07:25 PM
racoons > you   it would be fun to bludgeon people...   Nov 6 2005, 07:30 PM
tweeak   And again, it's fully not hypicrisy to tell St...   Nov 6 2005, 07:32 PM
incoherent   ^ thats the point of the ip thread...   Nov 6 2005, 07:33 PM
tweeak   I know it is. But we've touched so many points...   Nov 6 2005, 07:34 PM
Heathasm   well a mod shouldnt be able to take their warning ...   Nov 6 2005, 07:35 PM
racoons > you   ^ i think that goes beyond saying. and yes, spen...   Nov 6 2005, 07:36 PM
incoherent   ^x2 sounds good to me. we should vote on it. jame...   Nov 6 2005, 07:36 PM
racoons > you   vote on what? i hav elosttrack of things. GOD IM T...   Nov 6 2005, 07:37 PM
tweeak   Nay?   Nov 6 2005, 07:41 PM
Heathasm   well . . . when official members get a warning the...   Nov 6 2005, 07:54 PM
racoons > you   wait. so we are voting to decide that if a mod is ...   Nov 6 2005, 07:56 PM
tweeak   Oh, well then I don't see how that requires vo...   Nov 6 2005, 07:59 PM
Heathasm   yeah i was thinking the same thing nicki lol but ...   Nov 6 2005, 08:01 PM
racoons > you   i miss jordan. he was always good for an orgy. AN...   Nov 6 2005, 08:02 PM
incoherent   aye   Nov 7 2005, 04:13 PM
disco infiltrator   Aye.   Nov 7 2005, 06:03 PM
mzkandi   Aye   Nov 7 2005, 06:04 PM
mipadi   Aye   Nov 7 2005, 06:18 PM
[pshaa]shauna   Aye. (even though I don't count)   Nov 7 2005, 07:02 PM
mzkandi   ^ If you arent on the committee you cant vote. So...   Nov 7 2005, 07:03 PM
Rachel is love   (off topic, I wish I had moddy powers :[) Just a...   Nov 8 2005, 09:34 PM
disco infiltrator   Yes, if they prove themself worthy of redemption, ...   Nov 8 2005, 09:59 PM
sadolakced acid   about the whole conversations in threads. isn...   Nov 8 2005, 11:43 PM
mona lisa   ^Are you talking about that game you created? Just...   Nov 8 2005, 11:47 PM
sadolakced acid   well, the game is supposed to be a compromise. it...   Nov 8 2005, 11:50 PM
mona lisa   I think I see what you mean...well, my interpretat...   Nov 8 2005, 11:55 PM
racoons > you   ooh... an offcial conversation thread? i LIKE it   Nov 9 2005, 07:23 AM
disco infiltrator   I never liked off-topic threads (on other forums) ...   Nov 9 2005, 04:35 PM
mipadi   I don't really see the point of a conversation...   Nov 9 2005, 04:44 PM
drilotedahl   aye   Nov 9 2005, 07:17 PM
mzkandi   ^You cant vote if you arent a committee member.   Nov 9 2005, 07:22 PM
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