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waccoon
post May 12 2004, 06:35 AM
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i really see no reason to believe in him. there are so many arguments to his non existence. come on, you religious fanatics. bring it on.
 
 
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post May 12 2004, 09:18 PM
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An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new Muslim students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student :  Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something.
You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality.You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not  teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man and god is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving alive.


Something I read from my friend's xanga.

All you need is faith. If you believe in Jesus, he's there for you. If he exists or not doesn't matter as long as you have faith.
 

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waccoon   God   May 12 2004, 06:35 AM
InfamousOwen   QUOTEMy own belief is more simple , and yet, more ...   May 12 2004, 07:07 AM
dukesoccer07   I'm only going to say one thing on this topic ...   May 12 2004, 08:00 AM
tkproduce   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 11:35 AM)i reall...   May 12 2004, 08:08 AM
Winter   I personally don't believe in God because ther...   May 12 2004, 08:33 AM
triipinfserious   i agree with Winter ... i don`t believe he exi...   May 12 2004, 09:38 AM
InfamousOwen   Ok I always take a defensive position so here goes...   May 12 2004, 09:47 AM
tkproduce   I really don't think "Because there is no...   May 12 2004, 09:48 AM
Kathleen   But tk, there is obvious proof found by scientists...   May 12 2004, 09:51 AM
InfamousOwen   Oh good point Kathleen. Me and my friend from BACK...   May 12 2004, 10:02 AM
Kathleen   Hmm, that's quite true - my biology teacher po...   May 12 2004, 10:03 AM
InfamousOwen   Back in the day a million dollars was a huge sum o...   May 12 2004, 10:14 AM
tkproduce   Scientific proofs are assumptions based on experim...   May 12 2004, 10:18 AM
InfamousOwen   Wow that was seriously touching. it all comes down...   May 12 2004, 10:22 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTEThere is no concrete "proof" in sci...   May 12 2004, 10:33 AM
InfamousOwen   And in a thousand years will the science of today ...   May 12 2004, 10:49 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(InfamousOwen @ May 12 2004, 10:49 AM)An...   May 12 2004, 10:59 AM
LQ_Darksoul   I'm going off a little on this subject...So ba...   May 12 2004, 11:01 AM
Spirited Away   Me ME! I believe in infinity. The earth's ...   May 12 2004, 11:06 AM
InfamousOwen   Thats a really good point also...kind of brings up...   May 12 2004, 11:08 AM
tkproduce   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 3:33 PM)I ...   May 12 2004, 11:09 AM
xquizit   Religion is about having faith, regardless of whet...   May 12 2004, 11:17 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(xquizit @ May 12 2004, 11:17 AM)Religio...   May 12 2004, 11:21 AM
waccoon   okay, im gonna start something new. if i go murder...   May 12 2004, 01:56 PM
lilb   hey nick, this is britt, do you really wanna get m...   May 12 2004, 02:00 PM
cleec   i don't know if i believe in god because the i...   May 12 2004, 02:05 PM
lilb   I can explain it all...but you have to honestly wa...   May 12 2004, 02:08 PM
Fireshrieker   If there were a solid middle ground, then I would ...   May 12 2004, 02:23 PM
tkproduce   disproving what is written on the Bible does not d...   May 12 2004, 02:23 PM
tofumonzter   We are all created by God, and there's God. Wh...   May 12 2004, 02:46 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 3:46 PM)We a...   May 12 2004, 02:48 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 3:48 PM) we were...   May 12 2004, 02:51 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 12:48 PM) we wer...   May 12 2004, 02:53 PM
waccoon   i told you long, read my post. there isnt any beca...   May 12 2004, 02:57 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 3:57 PM)i told y...   May 12 2004, 02:58 PM
tofumonzter   How did the evolution stop? In the Bible it's ...   May 12 2004, 02:59 PM
tofumonzter   and how did it start? sorry for the double pos...   May 12 2004, 03:02 PM
onenonly101   I believe in God. He has always been there. He giv...   May 12 2004, 03:08 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 4:02 PM)and ...   May 12 2004, 03:11 PM
onenonly101   ^^Or God made them   May 12 2004, 03:16 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 4:11 PM)asexual ...   May 12 2004, 03:21 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(Fireshrieker @ May 12 2004, 4:21 PM)tha...   May 12 2004, 03:24 PM
onenonly101   What confuses me is how people can believe science...   May 12 2004, 03:28 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEWhat confuses me is how people can believe sc...   May 12 2004, 03:34 PM
AmesBond   Ok, I'm not a religious person, but I suppose ...   May 12 2004, 03:39 PM
katers   I believe in God/Jesus. Know why, because He came ...   May 12 2004, 03:40 PM
waccoon   why do you find it hard to believe? we have proof....   May 12 2004, 03:40 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 3:34 PM)I ...   May 12 2004, 03:44 PM
katers   and if evolution was real and there was a "bi...   May 12 2004, 03:49 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEyou can't look into a microscope and see ...   May 12 2004, 03:50 PM
AmesBond   ^^ Hey, people up there. Evolution exists. In mere...   May 12 2004, 03:56 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(katers @ May 12 2004, 4:49 PM)and if ev...   May 12 2004, 03:56 PM
onenonly101   I believe Geometry was made up. All the theorems a...   May 12 2004, 03:57 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(AmesBond @ May 12 2004, 3:56 PM)^^ Hey,...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:57 PM)I be...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 4:57 PM)I be...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 4:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEI believe Geometry was made up. All the theor...   May 12 2004, 04:03 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:04 PM
AngelicEyz00   Ever since i took biology in 9th grade, I've b...   May 12 2004, 04:11 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(AmesBond @ May 12 2004, 5:04 PM)I never...   May 12 2004, 04:12 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:13 PM
tkproduce   This topic is going way off track. We are not mea...   May 12 2004, 04:14 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 2:12 PM)please a...   May 12 2004, 04:15 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 2:14 PM)This t...   May 12 2004, 04:18 PM
tkproduce   QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ May 12 2004, 9:18 PM)I f...   May 12 2004, 04:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 4:38 PM)Why do...   May 12 2004, 04:46 PM
waccoon   a chemical is released in the brain, and a chemica...   May 12 2004, 04:51 PM
tkproduce   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 9:51 PM)a chemic...   May 12 2004, 04:56 PM
dukesoccer07   If evolution is true then things would not rot, th...   May 12 2004, 04:57 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 5:56 PM)why is...   May 12 2004, 05:02 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 2:56 PM)why is...   May 12 2004, 05:21 PM
CrackedRearView   You want a good reason to believe in the being God...   May 12 2004, 05:31 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEHow do we know Jesus existed? Read the Bible...   May 12 2004, 06:13 PM
v@por   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 1:56 PM)okay, im...   May 12 2004, 07:28 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 5:28 PM)He gives y...   May 12 2004, 07:30 PM
v@por   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 7:30 PM)Exce...   May 12 2004, 07:34 PM
islandgirl4eva   I do believe there is SOMETHING to worship, but I ...   May 12 2004, 07:36 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 5:34 PM)no. inclu...   May 12 2004, 07:37 PM
v@por   QUOTE(http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/the...   May 12 2004, 07:37 PM
islandgirl4eva   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 7:37 PM)QUOTE(http...   May 12 2004, 07:42 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 8:34 PM)no. inclu...   May 12 2004, 08:05 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 6:05 PM)let me g...   May 12 2004, 08:06 PM
jewishbabeygirl87   please dont use G-d's name in vain. and all of...   May 12 2004, 08:10 PM
v@por   QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 12 2004, 8:10 P...   May 12 2004, 08:42 PM
krnxswat   The ones who believe in the existence of God, espe...   May 12 2004, 09:02 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEthe Bible was written by hundreds of men over...   May 12 2004, 09:11 PM
v@por   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 9:11 PM)I...   May 12 2004, 09:16 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 10:16 PM)what i...   May 12 2004, 09:18 PM
Luster Soldier   QUOTEAn atheist professor of philosophy speaks to ...   May 12 2004, 09:18 PM
onenonly101   Alot of Christian did not grow up believing. Many...   May 12 2004, 09:19 PM
v@por   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 8:05 PM)let me g...   May 12 2004, 09:20 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEThose who have written these verses have long...   May 12 2004, 09:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEAlot of Christian did not grow up believing. ...   May 12 2004, 09:32 PM
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CEP   God, for me, is man's answer to questions he d...   May 12 2004, 09:52 PM
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so0o_contagious   well.. yeah, g-d didnt actually walk on water, or ...   May 12 2004, 11:45 PM
tkproduce   There's a perfectly legitimate scientific theo...   May 13 2004, 02:14 AM
jewishbabeygirl87   QUOTEJews do not casually write any Name of God. T...   May 13 2004, 05:54 AM
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