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waccoon
post May 12 2004, 06:35 AM
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i really see no reason to believe in him. there are so many arguments to his non existence. come on, you religious fanatics. bring it on.
 
 
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post May 12 2004, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 9:11 PM)
I'll gladly explain why it doesn't fit for me.

Those who have written these verses have long believed in the same faith. They grew up already believing or were already looking for something/someone for salvation. God was the perfect choice because they were taught that He is loving and kind. These hundreds of thousands of men who wrote it doesn't convince me of God's existence because they're only saying that they've experience this 'revelation' of knowing God exist >>>

I can't believe something that only someone else have said, therefore, I don't believe in the Bible.

What I do believe in is that there a possibility that God does exist because no one can disprove that concept.

what i'm saying is that it proves itself

like for example in a book in the old testament
it talks jesus being sent to earth
now that was written like 1000 BC

then, 1000 years later
in the new testament
people write about jesus and his teachings and how they've seen miracles

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Faith in God as Creator is reasonable because creation requires a creator. If one sees a lovely, well built house, he does not say, "I wonder how that house came into existence." He knows that the existence of the house means that someone built it. This is also true of our world. The fact that it exists requires that there must be one who built it. "For every house is built by someone, but he that built all things is God" (Hebrews 3:4).

Faith in God as the Creator of all things is reasonable because life can only come from life! Everyone understands that that which is dead can not produce that which is alive. In Europe during the Middle Ages, people were very ignorant. They believed in "spontaneous generation," that is, that non-living things could give birth to living things. Louis Pasteur, a great French scientist in the 19th century, proved that spontaneous generation is false. Only life can produce life!

Let us make application to the world and the people in it. How did it come to be? There are only two possibilities. Either the world and all living things in it came from dead, non-living, non-thinking matter, or it came from mind, intelligence, life, therefore God. What do you think? Does a nest create a bird to sit in it, or does the bird, a living being, create the nest? Does a car make a man to drive it, or does the man who is living and intelligent create the car? It is totally unreasonable to believe that the earth which is filled with living plants, animals and persons was brought into being by dead matter. However, it is very reasonable to believe that a supreme, intelligent being, God, brought into existence the universe and the wonderful varieties of life which live in it.

It is also reasonable to believe in God as Creator because of the plan and purpose in the universe. The universe operates according to law. Scientists are busy discovering these laws which they use for man's benefit. The order and design of the laws point to a mastermind who originated them. It is not possible that our orderly universe happened by chance. For example, the earth is 93,000,000 miles from the sun. If the earth were closer, it would burn up. If it were farther away, the earth would freeze. Did this just happen by chance? Or, did a living Mind, God, design this?

Did the complex universe which operates in such orderly fashion, according to definite laws, just happen by chance? Or, is it the result of an intelligent God who created it? It would be more reasonable to assume that the telephone directory of Sydney, Australia, a city of 4,000,000 people, just happened by chance than to assume that the orderly universe came into existence by chance!

It is reasonable to believe that "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1). Only a powerful, highly intelligent God could have created the wonderful, complex world in which we live. Truly, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" (Psalms 14:1).
 

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waccoon   God   May 12 2004, 06:35 AM
InfamousOwen   QUOTEMy own belief is more simple , and yet, more ...   May 12 2004, 07:07 AM
dukesoccer07   I'm only going to say one thing on this topic ...   May 12 2004, 08:00 AM
tkproduce   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 11:35 AM)i reall...   May 12 2004, 08:08 AM
Winter   I personally don't believe in God because ther...   May 12 2004, 08:33 AM
triipinfserious   i agree with Winter ... i don`t believe he exi...   May 12 2004, 09:38 AM
InfamousOwen   Ok I always take a defensive position so here goes...   May 12 2004, 09:47 AM
tkproduce   I really don't think "Because there is no...   May 12 2004, 09:48 AM
Kathleen   But tk, there is obvious proof found by scientists...   May 12 2004, 09:51 AM
InfamousOwen   Oh good point Kathleen. Me and my friend from BACK...   May 12 2004, 10:02 AM
Kathleen   Hmm, that's quite true - my biology teacher po...   May 12 2004, 10:03 AM
InfamousOwen   Back in the day a million dollars was a huge sum o...   May 12 2004, 10:14 AM
tkproduce   Scientific proofs are assumptions based on experim...   May 12 2004, 10:18 AM
InfamousOwen   Wow that was seriously touching. it all comes down...   May 12 2004, 10:22 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTEThere is no concrete "proof" in sci...   May 12 2004, 10:33 AM
InfamousOwen   And in a thousand years will the science of today ...   May 12 2004, 10:49 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(InfamousOwen @ May 12 2004, 10:49 AM)An...   May 12 2004, 10:59 AM
LQ_Darksoul   I'm going off a little on this subject...So ba...   May 12 2004, 11:01 AM
Spirited Away   Me ME! I believe in infinity. The earth's ...   May 12 2004, 11:06 AM
InfamousOwen   Thats a really good point also...kind of brings up...   May 12 2004, 11:08 AM
tkproduce   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 3:33 PM)I ...   May 12 2004, 11:09 AM
xquizit   Religion is about having faith, regardless of whet...   May 12 2004, 11:17 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(xquizit @ May 12 2004, 11:17 AM)Religio...   May 12 2004, 11:21 AM
waccoon   okay, im gonna start something new. if i go murder...   May 12 2004, 01:56 PM
lilb   hey nick, this is britt, do you really wanna get m...   May 12 2004, 02:00 PM
cleec   i don't know if i believe in god because the i...   May 12 2004, 02:05 PM
lilb   I can explain it all...but you have to honestly wa...   May 12 2004, 02:08 PM
Fireshrieker   If there were a solid middle ground, then I would ...   May 12 2004, 02:23 PM
tkproduce   disproving what is written on the Bible does not d...   May 12 2004, 02:23 PM
tofumonzter   We are all created by God, and there's God. Wh...   May 12 2004, 02:46 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 3:46 PM)We a...   May 12 2004, 02:48 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 3:48 PM) we were...   May 12 2004, 02:51 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 12:48 PM) we wer...   May 12 2004, 02:53 PM
waccoon   i told you long, read my post. there isnt any beca...   May 12 2004, 02:57 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 3:57 PM)i told y...   May 12 2004, 02:58 PM
tofumonzter   How did the evolution stop? In the Bible it's ...   May 12 2004, 02:59 PM
tofumonzter   and how did it start? sorry for the double pos...   May 12 2004, 03:02 PM
onenonly101   I believe in God. He has always been there. He giv...   May 12 2004, 03:08 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 4:02 PM)and ...   May 12 2004, 03:11 PM
onenonly101   ^^Or God made them   May 12 2004, 03:16 PM
Fireshrieker   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 4:11 PM)asexual ...   May 12 2004, 03:21 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(Fireshrieker @ May 12 2004, 4:21 PM)tha...   May 12 2004, 03:24 PM
onenonly101   What confuses me is how people can believe science...   May 12 2004, 03:28 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEWhat confuses me is how people can believe sc...   May 12 2004, 03:34 PM
AmesBond   Ok, I'm not a religious person, but I suppose ...   May 12 2004, 03:39 PM
katers   I believe in God/Jesus. Know why, because He came ...   May 12 2004, 03:40 PM
waccoon   why do you find it hard to believe? we have proof....   May 12 2004, 03:40 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 3:34 PM)I ...   May 12 2004, 03:44 PM
katers   and if evolution was real and there was a "bi...   May 12 2004, 03:49 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEyou can't look into a microscope and see ...   May 12 2004, 03:50 PM
AmesBond   ^^ Hey, people up there. Evolution exists. In mere...   May 12 2004, 03:56 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(katers @ May 12 2004, 4:49 PM)and if ev...   May 12 2004, 03:56 PM
onenonly101   I believe Geometry was made up. All the theorems a...   May 12 2004, 03:57 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(AmesBond @ May 12 2004, 3:56 PM)^^ Hey,...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:57 PM)I be...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 4:57 PM)I be...   May 12 2004, 03:59 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 4:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEI believe Geometry was made up. All the theor...   May 12 2004, 04:03 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:04 PM
AngelicEyz00   Ever since i took biology in 9th grade, I've b...   May 12 2004, 04:11 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(AmesBond @ May 12 2004, 5:04 PM)I never...   May 12 2004, 04:12 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 12 2004, 1:59 PM)That...   May 12 2004, 04:13 PM
tkproduce   This topic is going way off track. We are not mea...   May 12 2004, 04:14 PM
AmesBond   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 2:12 PM)please a...   May 12 2004, 04:15 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 2:14 PM)This t...   May 12 2004, 04:18 PM
tkproduce   QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ May 12 2004, 9:18 PM)I f...   May 12 2004, 04:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 4:38 PM)Why do...   May 12 2004, 04:46 PM
waccoon   a chemical is released in the brain, and a chemica...   May 12 2004, 04:51 PM
tkproduce   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 9:51 PM)a chemic...   May 12 2004, 04:56 PM
dukesoccer07   If evolution is true then things would not rot, th...   May 12 2004, 04:57 PM
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AmesBond   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 12 2004, 2:56 PM)why is...   May 12 2004, 05:21 PM
CrackedRearView   You want a good reason to believe in the being God...   May 12 2004, 05:31 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEHow do we know Jesus existed? Read the Bible...   May 12 2004, 06:13 PM
v@por   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 1:56 PM)okay, im...   May 12 2004, 07:28 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 5:28 PM)He gives y...   May 12 2004, 07:30 PM
v@por   QUOTE(tofumonzter @ May 12 2004, 7:30 PM)Exce...   May 12 2004, 07:34 PM
islandgirl4eva   I do believe there is SOMETHING to worship, but I ...   May 12 2004, 07:36 PM
tofumonzter   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 5:34 PM)no. inclu...   May 12 2004, 07:37 PM
v@por   QUOTE(http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/the...   May 12 2004, 07:37 PM
islandgirl4eva   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 7:37 PM)QUOTE(http...   May 12 2004, 07:42 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 8:34 PM)no. inclu...   May 12 2004, 08:05 PM
AngelicEyz00   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 6:05 PM)let me g...   May 12 2004, 08:06 PM
jewishbabeygirl87   please dont use G-d's name in vain. and all of...   May 12 2004, 08:10 PM
v@por   QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 12 2004, 8:10 P...   May 12 2004, 08:42 PM
krnxswat   The ones who believe in the existence of God, espe...   May 12 2004, 09:02 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEthe Bible was written by hundreds of men over...   May 12 2004, 09:11 PM
v@por   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 12 2004, 9:11 PM)I...   May 12 2004, 09:16 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(v@por @ May 12 2004, 10:16 PM)what i...   May 12 2004, 09:18 PM
Luster Soldier   QUOTEAn atheist professor of philosophy speaks to ...   May 12 2004, 09:18 PM
onenonly101   Alot of Christian did not grow up believing. Many...   May 12 2004, 09:19 PM
v@por   QUOTE(waccoon @ May 12 2004, 8:05 PM)let me g...   May 12 2004, 09:20 PM
CrackedRearView   QUOTEThose who have written these verses have long...   May 12 2004, 09:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEAlot of Christian did not grow up believing. ...   May 12 2004, 09:32 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ May 12 2004, 9:30 PM)...   May 12 2004, 09:42 PM
CEP   God, for me, is man's answer to questions he d...   May 12 2004, 09:52 PM
strice   God? if anything sounds more like BIG BROTHER, for...   May 12 2004, 09:59 PM
so0o_contagious   well.. yeah, g-d didnt actually walk on water, or ...   May 12 2004, 11:45 PM
tkproduce   There's a perfectly legitimate scientific theo...   May 13 2004, 02:14 AM
jewishbabeygirl87   QUOTEJews do not casually write any Name of God. T...   May 13 2004, 05:54 AM
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