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[*incoherent*]

Alright, so I really hate to bring them into this, but I was talking to Justin about it and he seemed to agree. Yeah, they have lives, but it seems like they go for weeks at a time without coming here. It's been almost a week for both of them. What if something important comes up? Justin made a point about having 8 admins. Yeah, it seems outrageous, but what if only 3 were active. Here's how he states it.

have a minimum of active admins...

don't have provisions for removing admins, have provisions for adding more.

it doesn't matter if there are 8 admins if only 3 are active.

your opinions?

[KissMe2408]

yah i've seen Christina posting around backstage, and Roxy has posted in Pictures from her birthday and stuff.
But i agree with Keira, it might be better if we just bring this up with them

[Spirited Away]

You say that the admins were all inactive in the past, and cb didn't fall apart and all hell didn't break loose.

Okay, you'd really going to wait for Hell to break loose before getting help from someone? Seriously, I was around for two major spam fests and it wasn't fun when mods didn't have any powers over it and we had to wait for an admin to do what was needed to be done. cB didn't fall apart, but moderators were definitely NOT okay with hanging around and feeling helpless. I know it is unfair of me to say that you have to experience it to know since you've just been hired, but I did experience it and I was rightly frustrated. I wasn't the only one who felt that way either and all you need to do is look through backstage to find out.

And please don't tell me that cB don't fall apart when admins aren't here. That's not the point, obviously. The point, since the begining of this thread is that admins should be active so they'd make the right choices in hiring and to help when help is needed not wait til cB falls apart to help. That's all.

Roxanne and Christina are great when they're here. When they're not though, I feel that someone else should have the power to lend a helping hands to mods.

[KissMe2408]

Okay, you'd really going to wait for Hell to break loose before getting help from someone? Seriously, I was around for two major spam fests and it wasn't fun when mods didn't have any powers over it and we had to wait for an admin to do what was needed to be done. cB didn't fall apart, but moderators were definitely NOT okay with hanging around and feeling helpless. I know it is unfair of me to say that you have to experience it to know since you've just been hired, but I did experience it and I was rightly frustrated. I wasn't the only one who felt that way either and all you need to do is look through backstage to find out.

And please don't tell me that cB don't fall apart when admins aren't here. That's not the point, obviously. The point, since the begining of this thread is that admins should be active so they'd make the right choices in hiring and to help when help is needed not wait til cB falls apart to help. That's all.

Roxanne and Christina are great when they're here. When they're not though, I feel that someone else should have the power to lend a helping hands to mods.

^Did I say "wait?" anywhere in my post. What i was saying was that we came to that "worst case scenario" where the admins weren't active, and CB didn't "fall apart". Why i even brought that up in the first place was to underline the point that we don't need a law about every single thing. Does that make sense? Yah i agree admins should be active...duh. i think we ALL agree on that. And now we are getting intouch with the admins about this subject, so something IS being done. ok, but what i'm saying is there is no need to break down every little thing and make rules about it.
I'm sorry you had an inconvience when those 2 major spamathons broke loose, but ur job as a mod is to deal with this stuff right? If you guys are feeling so strongly about all of this then why don't you add more admins. (not 8 you crazies, like another admin or 2)
And yah i think both our points is that admins should be active, i was just telling ya'll to chill about the admins and not do the sky is falling routine.
ok, so now we've brought this up backstage to the admins attention, ok.
but man, there shouldn't have to be such laws on every single thing. I mean everything about this site doesn't need to be changed. Relax, u know.

[Spirited Away]

^Did I say "wait?" anywhere in my post.

Then what's the point of saying "You say that the admins were all inactive in the past, and cb didn't fall apart and all hell didn't break loose"? I said "wait" as admins stepping in after damage is done. Did you not understand the context of the question?

And now we are getting intouch with the admins about this subject, so something IS being done. ok, but what i'm saying is there is no need to break down every little thing and make rules about it.
I'm sorry you had an inconvience when those 2 major spamathons broke loose, but ur job as a mod is to deal with this stuff right? If you guys are feeling so strongly about all of this then why don't you add more admins. (not 8 you crazies, like another admin or 2)
And yah i think both our points is that admins should be active, i was just telling ya'll to chill about the admins and not do the sky is falling routine.
ok, so now we've brought this up backstage to the admins attention, ok.

Again, this isn't about cB falling apart, it's about working as a team and being there when another team member needs you, it's about knowing who is going to be brought onto the team. No, I wasn't inconvenienced or put out, I felt helpless and frustrated because I was helpless. Two different things. I knew my job well and others have said I was a good staff person so I understand that I have to "deal with this stuff". Please don't demean me like that. I dealt with it as best as I could and so did the other staff, but being able to "deal with it" does not mean I cannot have an opinion. My point is that we don't even need so many admins, we could have active head staff to temporarily take admin roles while admins are away. That's all. No one is saying the admins aren't doing their jobs because that is NOT the case. They're doing wonderfully.

[KissMe2408]

Then what's the point of saying "You say that the admins were all inactive in the past, and cb didn't fall apart and all hell didn't break loose"? I said "wait" as admins stepping in after damage is done. Did you not understand the context of the question?
Again, this isn't about cB falling apart, it's about working as a team and being there when another team member needs you, it's about knowing who is going to be brought onto the team. No, I wasn't inconvenienced or put out, I felt helpless and frustrated because I was helpless. Two different things. I knew my job well and others have said I was a good staff person so I understand that I have to "deal with this stuff". Please don't demean me like that. I dealt with it as best as I could and so did the other staff, but being able to "deal with it" does not mean I cannot have an opinion. My point is that we don't even need so many admins, we could have active head staff to temporarily take admin roles while admins are away. That's all. No one is saying the admins aren't doing their jobs because that is NOT the case. They're doing wonderfully.

^Obviously everyone doesn't think the admins are doing "wonderfully", because if that were the case everyone wouldn't be all, " the admins aren't active enough", "were they around for the voting?", "do they know we have bylaws? blah blah"
Again, again, again....i'm NOT talking about cb falling apart either, i just used that to talk about a point i was making in another post. I know it's about working as a team, trust me i do. I think you are reading into it wrong. Oh, and don't get offended by anything i said, i wasn't "demeaning" you like that. I'm sure you dealt with it the best you could, and of course i know you have ur own opinion. i'm not saying anything against that. Do you think it would work lending powers to head staff? you don't think it would get messy?
All my point was that people need to take a deep breath and relax about these laws. I think we are just talking about two different things

[*Fae*]

^Obviously everyone doesn't think the admins are doing "wonderfully", because if that were the case everyone wouldn't be all, " the admins aren't active enough", "were they around for the voting?", "do they know we have bylaws? blah blah"
Again, again, again....i'm NOT talking about cb falling apart either, i just used that to talk about a point i was making in another post. I know it's about working as a team, trust me i do. I think you are reading into it wrong. Oh, and don't get offended by anything i said, i wasn't "demeaning" you like that. I'm sure you dealt with it the best you could, and of course i know you have ur own opinion. i'm not saying anything against that. Do you think it would work lending powers to head staff? you don't think it would get messy?
All my point was that people need to take a deep breath and relax about these laws. I think we are just talking about two different things

1) Um, attendence is a given; that's all we've been discussing all along. I do think they're doing wonderfully because I noticed Admin related jobs are kept up, but I also already addressed the problem of inactivity since my very first post in this thread.

2) I understand your original point because I quoted you and responded. Your point was that cB doesn't fall apart when Admins aren't here, my refuter is that cB needs Admins regardless if our community is falling apart or not.

3) How was I supposed to "read into it" when you have to tell me that my job was to "deal with [the spam fests]" as a moderator? a) It's the same as telling me not to complain because it's my job to "deal" and b) you have to tell me what my job was even though I was a mod at one time? Sorry for being defensive, but that's exactly how I "read into it".

4) No, I don't think it would be messy. I think it's a generally safe idea and that's why I'm supporting it. However, I am, too, confused how to go about giving temp powers. That's going into technical details and a lot us don't have a clue. I think it would work in that whether temporary or actual, we'd see admins more.

5) Relax about these laws? As in these laws are no big deal? As in, it's a waste of time to think too much into these laws? So, what's the point of this forum again? I know a lot of people think everything is fine the way they are, but it doesn't hurt to discuss it in full detail. That's why this forum is here. If it's not a big deal, then... we're all wasting our time folks.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Oct 17 2005, 03:05 PM

[KissMe2408]

What a crappy day. I'm going outside and am just gonna run out this day, ok, but first here...l

let's start with 5

5) No, i'm not saying the laws aren't a big deal. If i thought they weren't a big deal or unnecessary then wouldn't be here posting about them would I. Nor is it a "waste of time" to be thinking of them. You are putting words in my mouth. What i'm saying with relax is that there doesn't have to be laws on every little thing in createblog...ah.

4)that's what i'm saying. Technically, wouldn't it be messy? i'm sure the head staff could do the job...but how would that work? No clue how it could be done, although it probably could.

3)oh god, ok. i'm not in the mood or mindset to even answer that. When you are given a responisibilty or a job to perform, usually things go wrong. people spam, things happen...it's part of the job. Taking that job basically says you are aware that things can go wrong and you are capable of handling a situation.

2)i agree with ur refuter.

1)ok. case closed.

Cool. Goodbye. I'm going to the dance studio or i'm running.

[Spirited Away]

3) ...okay, now we're getting somewhere. Indeed moderators are capable of handling most situations. The situations I referred to required admin assistance. Thus... the feeling of helplessness. Yea? What part of that don't you understand from me?

4) You weren't specifying technical matters, I only meant to say I was as confounded as Kiera who actually implied technical details. How would you or anyone aside from admins, Jusun, and/or those who have administrated other forums know if it would be messy? It could be just a simple transfer of power by adding the head staff to the admin group, but we don't know that.

5) I'm not putting words in your mouth, I am only implying things from what you're writing. For the last few posts, you've said for us to "relax". From what I understand, you haven't specify which part you want us to relax on until now. There needn't be law on every little thing, but what we're discussing isn't a "little" thing, as you know. Therefore, I assumed you said "relax" because the matter at hand isn't important to you. It isn't a relaxing matter, so I don't understand why you kept on telling everyone to relax on it. Now that I know you mean to say cB don't need laws on everything, I agree, but cB do need active admins and laws may be able to help with that.