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Mandatory Notifications Laws
*AngelicEyz00*
post Oct 1 2005, 09:53 PM
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Okay, I hope there's not another topic on this.

I've been online recently reading up on California's Proposition 73. You can read about it by going to the following link:

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/bp_nov05/vo...df/entire73.pdf
[you need adobe acrobat reader to view that]

Anyway, Californians will be voting in November, and this is one of the props we'll either pass or not pass. Now that I'm 18, I can vote No on Prop 73 _smile.gif haha. Anyway...

Currently, in the state of California, minors receive abortion services to the same extent as adults. They can get an abortion without having to worry about their parents finding out, because it is kept confidential from them.

If this proposition is passed, however, minors will be prohibited from receiving an abortion until a physician notifies their parent/guardian 48 hours prior to the procedure. The only way this notice can be waived is if it's a medical emergency or if the minor goes to court.

There's a lot more to this that you can read about in that link.

Realistically speaking, in my opinion, this is only going to make things worse. If I were a minor, and I was seeking to get an abortion, I'd be pretty scared that my parents would have to be notified. So, to avoid this, I'd go find someone who would perform the abortion legally... you know, a "back alley" abortion. That brings me to this:

http://ppfa.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/we...-becky-bell.xml
It's a short article about a girl who dies from an illegal abortion, which she sought because of the enforced notification laws in her state.

Okay, anyway. I lost my train of thought, but I'm willing to debate on this issue, so let's go.

And this isn't really a debate on abortion, it's a debate on whether or not this notification law should or should not be enforced in the state of CA... or anywhere else, for that matter.

P.S. Please READ this before you reply to this topic :
http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/bp_nov05/vo...df/entire73.pdf
 
 
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post Oct 5 2005, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 3 2005, 5:00 PM)
Evidence that supports this?
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none really. i could probably find stats if i cared to look.

QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 4 2005, 7:34 PM)
Is it right for the teenagers to hide things from their parents?

Their parents need to know their child's medical history. And if kids weren't having sex before they are ready to have children, we wouldn't have this problem.
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teenagers can hide things from thier parents. expecially about thier health. I have to sign release papers before my parents are allowed to see my medical documents- and that's the way it should be.

teenagers are allowed to decline medical treatment, even if thier parents wish to force them to get it. and that's the way it should be.

and you proabbly will ask, why should it be this way?

because you cannot teach a man to swim by tying him to a dock. Teenagers need to learn to be adults, not sheltered and protected, then kicked out into the real world at 18.

and part of growing up as a teenager today means most likely encountering sex, and making the decision about it.

and as far as parental notification of abortions- no, not before an abortion, not after an abortion. an abortion is a medical procedure, which should nto be denied to someone based soley on age. and that's what this law aims to do.




QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 5 2005, 5:14 PM)
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And maybe if teens knew that they wouldn't be able to hide an abortion from their parents, they would be less willing to have sex/get pregnant
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maybe, but probably not. some evidence?

what i can tell you is about me. i recieved the abstinence only propoganda. i recieved propoganda that did not mention that condoms cut the transmission of HIV and other STDs. the propoganda, in fact, stressed that condoms do not block any STDs.

i have not been educated in the use of any contraceptive. i have not been taught how to properly use a condom- and due to the bush administration's forcing of the CDC to remove instructions from their web site, i probably would have to learn from experience how to use one.

neither did the class teach about oral contraceptives, or any other contraceptive.


and will this affect my decision to have sex? no. that decision is based on my own morals, not the morals given to me by the government. and will the avalibility of contraceptives affect my decision to have sex? probably not.

abortion is not a form of birth control, and should not be used that way. However, abstinence is not. and untill all children are taught about contraceptives at age 11, and then again at 14, abortions should remain legal for teenagers, and confidential.

because saying abortion or abstinence is a form of birth control would mean including shooting pregnant women as birth control.

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Evidently, the problem at hand is teenage mentality. "If you make a new law, we'll always be able to find ways around it. Who cares if you're looking out for our well-being!"
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this law is not about the well-being of teenagers. and you know it. it is about parents excercising control over teenager's health decisions. It is about liberty and choice.

and as far as the teenage mentality; in my state it is illegal for anyone to have oral sex. it is in the constitution. people still do it? yes.
 

Posts in this topic
AngelicEyz00   Mandatory Notifications Laws   Oct 1 2005, 09:53 PM
kryogenix   I have a feeling this is going to degenerate into ...   Oct 2 2005, 12:21 PM
Programmer   well the united states of america feels that the t...   Oct 2 2005, 02:27 PM
mai_z   QUOTE(Programmer @ Oct 2 2005, 2:27 PM)well t...   Oct 5 2005, 03:09 PM
sadolakced acid   and if this passes california will see an increase...   Oct 2 2005, 07:32 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 2 2005, 7:32 PM)a...   Oct 3 2005, 05:00 PM
simx   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 3 2005, 5:00 PM)Evidenc...   Oct 4 2005, 06:14 PM
insomniac   ^good point. not that i dont believe that a pare...   Oct 3 2005, 02:50 PM
warriors1035   = | theres a preagnant 8th grader in my school......   Oct 3 2005, 03:09 PM
yummy_delight   QUOTE(warriors1035 @ Oct 3 2005, 1:09 PM)ther...   Oct 4 2005, 07:03 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Oct 4 2005, 7:03 PM)Get...   Oct 4 2005, 07:34 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 4 2005, 8:34 PM)And if ...   Oct 4 2005, 07:38 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 4 2005, 7:38 PM)The questi...   Oct 5 2005, 05:14 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 5 2005, 6:14 PM)An ounc...   Oct 5 2005, 05:44 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 5 2005, 5:44 PM)That's...   Oct 5 2005, 06:17 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 5 2005, 7:17 PM)I agree...   Oct 5 2005, 06:41 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 5 2005, 6:41 PM)I'm no...   Oct 5 2005, 10:08 PM
yummy_delight   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 4 2005, 5:34 PM)Is it r...   Oct 4 2005, 07:52 PM
artislife90   I completely support it. The Parents should know i...   Oct 3 2005, 04:57 PM
AngelicEyz00   Kids having sex before they're ready to have c...   Oct 4 2005, 08:33 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 3 2005, 5:00 PM)Evidenc...   Oct 5 2005, 07:16 PM
sadolakced acid   then why a minimun of 48 hours in advanced? i dou...   Oct 5 2005, 10:42 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 5 2005, 10:42 PM)...   Oct 6 2005, 02:09 PM
yummy_delight   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 6 2005, 12:09 PM)Realit...   Oct 6 2005, 06:13 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Oct 6 2005, 6:13 PM)If ...   Oct 6 2005, 06:21 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Oct 6 2005, 7:21 PM)Actuall...   Oct 6 2005, 06:49 PM
disco infiltrator   Kryo, I'm sorry, but I really think you need a...   Oct 6 2005, 01:22 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ if i remember the stats correctly all abstinence...   Oct 6 2005, 06:28 PM
disco infiltrator   There are girls who believe in abstinence and ther...   Oct 6 2005, 07:07 PM


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