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2nd Amendment: The Right To Kill People?, Is it time to amend the US Constitution?
Do you believe that US citizens should continue to have the right to bear arms?
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hardbodyactiv
post May 6 2005, 06:17 PM
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Considering that USA have more deaths by the deliberate use of firearms than all 21 affiliated countries in Europe, Canada and Australia...approximately 500,000,000 (five hundred million) people, do you not think that it is about time that the US Constitution was amended to outlaw the purchase and use of firearms and restrict their sale to private individuals only for the purpose of hunting and only allowing these to be of the shotgun or rifle variety?

Long question I know and perhaps a bit deep...but most of you will at some time or other encounter a firearm incident if you live in the Continental US and it is even more likely if you live in certain urban areas or states such as Texas, Florida, California or New York. Perhaps this is due to State in addtion to Federal legislation and also perhaps an explosive mix of different social & ethnic backgrounds.

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*mipadi*
post Sep 25 2005, 01:49 PM
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I'm actually hesistant to join this debate, because I really don't have a strong opinion either way. My lack of a strong opinion, however, is not based on apathy, but rather, the fact that I don't feel I am informed enough to make a clear decision. To be honest, I can see both sides of this issue; unfortunately, I have not read up enough on statistics and other facts to make what I really feel is an informed decision. However, there are a few things I know about the issue that has helped to begin to shape my feelings on the subject.

I think Comradered makes some very good points. Removing guns does not get rid of crime. A perfect example of this is in European countries; while many have similar gun control laws, I will use Germany as an example, because Germany is the nation I am most knowledgeable about. In Germany, is it very difficult to obtain a firearm. Many gun control advocates point to the fact that Germany has a much lower gun-related crime rate that the US as a result. This is true. However, the crime rate in Germany is not significantly lower than the crime rate in the US. This can be attributable partially to the fact that violent crime still happens in Germany, albeit with weapons other than firearms. A lack of guns, therefore, does not necessarily mean that crimes (and more importantly, violent crimes) will not occur.

I think that the gun control laws in the US are, in theory, satisfactory. They are adequately designed to allow access to firearms for legal purposes, while prohibiting access for illegal purposes. The problem in the US is that many of these gun control laws are not effectively enforced. Columbine is a good example: many of the weapons used in the commission of that crime should have been prevented, but weren't because of ineffective enforcement of the existing laws, or due to loopholes in the laws. For example, Robyn Anderson, the woman who bought several weapons for the Columbine shooters, was not given a background check before her purchase; when asked if a background check would have kept her from purchasing the firearms, she answered yes. [1]

In short, the problem with gun crime in the US is not directly attributable to relaxed gun laws, but rather an inefficienty and ineffectiveness in enforcing existing gun laws.
 

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hardbodyactiv   2nd Amendment: The Right To Kill People?   May 6 2005, 06:17 PM
snak3y3z1001   Restricting guns wont do sqat. Here in NYC its ill...   May 6 2005, 06:26 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(snak3y3z1001 @ May 6 2005, 7:26 PM)Rest...   May 7 2005, 02:08 PM
dahding   shouldn't this be in debates?   May 6 2005, 06:26 PM
Nicolatofu   I see this as becoming a debate... if any mod feel...   May 6 2005, 06:26 PM
hardbodyactiv   thx for moving it...i hadn't seen debates as a...   May 6 2005, 07:00 PM
kryogenix   restricting the right to bear arms takes guns away...   May 6 2005, 07:18 PM
sadolakced acid   if every citizen were issued an assult rifle which...   May 7 2005, 12:39 AM
basick   what i think...   May 7 2005, 01:06 AM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(basick @ May 7 2005, 2:06 AM) what i t...   May 7 2005, 09:15 PM
sweet_devil   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 8 2005, 10:15 AM)I a...   May 9 2005, 05:14 AM
XoJennaoX   QUOTEif every citizen were issued an assult rifle ...   May 7 2005, 10:20 AM
sadolakced acid   well, yea, but not many people will rape a 17 year...   May 7 2005, 12:52 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 7 2005, 12:52 PM)...   May 7 2005, 01:38 PM
BrandonSaunders   I'm not sure if any of you have been on both e...   May 7 2005, 02:36 PM
hardbodyactiv   What about the fact that with less legally owned g...   May 9 2005, 07:47 AM
sadolakced acid   guns don't kill people, bullets do. we need b...   May 9 2005, 03:44 PM
BrandonSaunders   My response to opposers is for you to refer to my ...   May 9 2005, 04:04 PM
someflipguy   Guns can be a savior. But, can also cause hate an...   May 11 2005, 12:53 PM
Kristinaa   QUOTE(someflipguy @ May 11 2005, 12:53 PM)Gun...   Sep 21 2005, 06:30 PM
kryogenix   bumping this, as I will be bringing this topic up ...   Sep 21 2005, 06:24 PM
ComradeRed   More guns = less crime. The reason the US has more...   Sep 22 2005, 01:27 PM
disco infiltrator   A knife can kill too. Fists can kill. Anything can...   Sep 22 2005, 03:58 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Sep 22 2005, 3:58 P...   Sep 22 2005, 04:14 PM
sm0kinm0nky   Yes, I believe we have the right to bear arms. We ...   Sep 22 2005, 04:25 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   What? The 2nd Amendment didnt say you have the rig...   Sep 22 2005, 06:24 PM
sadolakced acid   no, it says states have the right to protect thems...   Sep 22 2005, 06:36 PM
peggysturr   Just prohibit those people from carrying their gun...   Sep 22 2005, 10:33 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(peggysturr @ Sep 22 2005, 10:33 PM)Just...   Sep 23 2005, 03:16 PM
ComradeRed   The US Code CLEARLY defines the unorganized militi...   Sep 23 2005, 11:57 AM
mipadi   I'm actually hesistant to join this debate, be...   Sep 25 2005, 01:49 PM
xnofearx   Pshh, guns.... I use a sword, it's much more ...   Sep 28 2005, 06:03 AM
simx   The second amendment says states have the right to...   Oct 4 2005, 06:17 PM
ComradeRed   No. The Bill of Rights (except for the tenth amend...   Oct 4 2005, 10:57 PM
sadolakced acid   and so all males 17 and older should be allowed g...   Oct 5 2005, 07:28 PM
ryfitaDF   well if we mess with the second ammendment it mean...   Oct 11 2005, 02:00 AM
sadolakced acid   ^ killing was the way the american revolution was...   Oct 11 2005, 12:09 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 11 2005, 1:09 PM)...   Oct 11 2005, 12:35 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 11 2005, 12:35 PM)Does tha...   Oct 12 2005, 05:54 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 11 2005, 12:09 PM...   Oct 11 2005, 01:06 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Oct 11 2005, 1:06 PM)but wha...   Oct 11 2005, 04:20 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 11 2005, 12:35 PM)Does tha...   Oct 11 2005, 07:59 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ does he have pilots? does he have enough fue...   Oct 12 2005, 11:25 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 13 2005, 12:25 AM...   Oct 13 2005, 03:18 PM
Heewee   I feel like I've already responded to this top...   Oct 13 2005, 03:10 PM
sadolakced acid   have laws that track them. and laws that limit th...   Oct 19 2005, 07:22 PM
kryogenix   Well, he uses Soviet fighter jets, so they were im...   Oct 19 2005, 07:53 PM
murderous_thoughts   People dont obey laws, thats why they are called c...   Oct 23 2005, 01:08 PM


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