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post Sep 21 2005, 07:37 AM
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well as u c Taiwan is a part of China. but ppl around dont get that...*sigh* what do u think?
 
 
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post Sep 22 2005, 12:58 AM
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Taiwan is viewed as an independent nation economically, but it is globally viewed as China's rogue province politically.

I think Taiwan is not independently represented in the United Nations. If it is, well then good for them.

But yeah, China views Taiwan as part of Communist China, yet Taiwan is trying to be politically independent. A very touchy subject, as Taiwan hasn't FORMALLY and OFFICIALLY seceded from China in modern days. Such a PR statement can disrupt the unstable status quo, and we will most likely see a very disconcerting standoff between the two w/ a lot of tension added in. President Bush (I believe) supported Taiwan back in the past.

Here's my view:
With 2008 Beijing Olympics and 2010 Shanghai World Expo coming around, China is inevitably going to be playing a big role diplomatically and economically for the next decade. With these raised diplomatic standards put on China's shoulders by the globe, Taiwan will push the buttons of China the closer we get to the new decade. Is China willing to risk "war" with Taiwan if Taiwan secedes, even though it must be diplomatically revered w/ their Olympics and World Expo?

If Taiwan has the guts to secede, this decade is the time to do it. Do it while the guardsman is wooing a woman. There will be no better time.

And if America gets thrown into the mix, well we then have a recipe for the great China vs. America heavyweight championship match; it will probably be held in the Trump Majal.



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post Sep 22 2005, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(DaTru KataLYST @ Sep 22 2005, 1:58 PM)
I think Taiwan is not independently represented in the United Nations. If it is, well then good for them.

But yeah, China views Taiwan as part of Communist China, yet Taiwan is trying to be politically independent. A very touchy subject, as Taiwan hasn't FORMALLY and OFFICIALLY seceded from China in modern days. Such a PR statement can disrupt the unstable status quo, and we will most likely see a very disconcerting standoff between the two w/ a lot of tension added in. President Bush (I believe) supported Taiwan back in the past.

Here's my view:
With 2008 Beijing Olympics and 2010 Shanghai World Expo coming around, China is inevitably going to be playing a big role diplomatically and economically for the next decade. With these raised diplomatic standards put on China's shoulders by the globe, Taiwan will push the buttons of China the closer we get to the new decade. Is China willing to risk "war" with Taiwan if Taiwan secedes, even though it must be diplomatically revered w/ their Olympics and World Expo?

If Taiwan has the guts to secede, this decade is the time to do it. Do it while the guardsman is wooing a woman. There will be no better time.

And if America gets thrown into the mix, well we then have a recipe for the great China vs. America heavyweight championship match; it will probably be held in the Trump Majal.
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very well said.

and no, taiwan is not represented in the UN. because in the 70s, when china wanted to join the UN, taiwan was in the UN under the name of "china" and because there could only be one "china" in the UN, taiwan, being the smaller country was kicked out. (i hope that wasn't too confusing)

if taiwan will officially declare secession. it would be admitting that they are part of china. and IF they really do, it would be close to 2006 because, as you said, the beijing olympics and the shanghai expo.
 
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QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 22 2005, 9:39 AM)
and no, taiwan is not represented in the UN.  because in the 70s, when china wanted to join the UN, taiwan was in the UN under the name of "china" and because there could only be one "china" in the UN, taiwan, being the smaller country was kicked out.  (i hope that wasn't too confusing)
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It's not quite that easy, although that's the gist of it. More correctly, the Republic of China (aka "Taiwan") was one of the founding members of the UN and held a permanent seat with veto power on the Security Council, like all permanent members. However, by the 1960s, nations friendly to the People's Republic of China (Communist China, aka "China") continually moved to recognize the PRC, not the ROC, as the "real" China. This support was always vetoed by the United States. However, by the late 1960s, the UN had become much less Western-dominated, and support for the ROC began to erode, until 1971, when the General Assembly passed a resolution recognizing the PRC as the legitimate government of China, instead of the ROC. (This was an issue of credentials, not membership, so the Security Council--and, more important, the US and the ROC--could not use their veto power.) After that, the representative from the PRC took the ROC's seat on the Security Council.
 

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bylrarzeitnt   China...Taiwan...   Sep 21 2005, 07:37 AM
yanners   1) please don't type like that 2) i think this...   Sep 21 2005, 08:03 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 21 2005, 9:03 AM)taiwan h...   Sep 21 2005, 08:10 AM
bylrarzeitnt   QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 21 2005, 9:03 PM)1) pleas...   Sep 21 2005, 08:48 AM
Blue-Chan   QUOTE(bylrarzeitnt @ Sep 21 2005, 6:48 AM)......   Sep 21 2005, 09:47 AM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 21 2005, 8:03 AM)1) pleas...   Sep 21 2005, 01:59 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Sep 21 2005, 1:59 PM)i don...   Sep 21 2005, 03:08 PM
broken_lance   QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 21 2005, 8:03 AM)1) pleas...   Sep 22 2005, 08:18 AM
incoherent   im not understanding what you are trying to stress...   Sep 21 2005, 10:10 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(incoherent @ Sep 21 2005, 11:10 AM)im n...   Sep 21 2005, 11:03 AM
incoherent   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 21 2005, 11:03 AM)It is an...   Sep 21 2005, 11:53 AM
mzkandi   Maybe I should move this to debate....meh Moved t...   Sep 21 2005, 11:24 AM
lilaznbabii93   we're not talkin about typin rite now but stil...   Sep 21 2005, 03:31 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(lilaznbabii93 @ Sep 21 2005, 4:31 PM)we...   Sep 21 2005, 03:50 PM
disco infiltrator   I have a hard time understanding it..I don't r...   Sep 21 2005, 03:56 PM
emazing   I don't think Taiwan is a part of China, wth d...   Sep 21 2005, 04:39 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(emazing @ Sep 21 2005, 5:39 PM)I don...   Sep 21 2005, 06:36 PM
sadolakced acid   china thinks taiwan is part of china, as does taiw...   Sep 21 2005, 07:09 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 21 2005, 8:09 PM)...   Sep 21 2005, 07:16 PM
RiC3xBoy   No, I also do not believe it is a part of China. A...   Sep 21 2005, 06:50 PM
sadolakced acid   there are no facts. it'ss simply a matter of ...   Sep 21 2005, 07:31 PM
DaTru KataLYST   Taiwan is viewed as an independent nation economic...   Sep 22 2005, 12:58 AM
yanners   QUOTE(DaTru KataLYST @ Sep 22 2005, 1:58 PM)I...   Sep 22 2005, 08:39 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(yanners @ Sep 22 2005, 9:39 AM)and no, ...   Sep 22 2005, 10:21 AM
DaTru KataLYST   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 22 2005, 8:21 AM)It's ...   Sep 22 2005, 06:40 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(DaTru KataLYST @ Sep 22 2005, 6:40 PM)s...   Sep 22 2005, 06:43 PM
RiC3xBoy   ^^Yup Yup not just a part, but even a big chunk   Sep 22 2005, 10:28 PM
peggysturr   Taiwan=Republic of China (ROC) China=People's ...   Sep 22 2005, 10:31 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   Taiwan and China are separated countries. Don’t yo...   Sep 24 2005, 04:42 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Sep 24 2005, 4:...   Sep 24 2005, 06:45 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 24 2005, 7:45 PM)Yes, b...   Sep 24 2005, 06:47 PM
niez_cho   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Sep 25 2005, 5:...   Sep 27 2005, 07:54 AM
sm0kinm0nky   Taiwan is NOT part of China. Taiwan is a Democr...   Sep 25 2005, 05:56 PM
mipadi   "Taiwan has become the latest, er, country to...   Oct 4 2005, 05:52 PM
sadolakced acid   last time i checked, china didn't allow it...   Oct 5 2005, 11:11 PM
disco infiltrator   It's kinda like Puerto Rico and America, no? ...   Oct 6 2005, 01:11 PM
sadolakced acid   not really... pueto rico and the US are friendly. ...   Oct 6 2005, 06:40 PM
[Filp]Essence   that's right, but it has it's own system o...   Oct 8 2005, 09:16 AM


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