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post Sep 18 2005, 05:27 PM
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I was just wondering. So many crazy things are going on in the world today that I became curious as to what some of your beliefs are. If you could make a 28th amendment to the Constitution what would it be?
 
 
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post Sep 18 2005, 06:39 PM
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I would say that political opinions should be kept out of schools. You can teach politics, but stop adding your opinions.

I say this because I, unlike many of you, am a conservative Republican. Most teachers, however, are liberal pushovers. I swear, what the hell.

I don't care if you agree or not, but brainwashing the youth into liberalism? That's a bit wrong in my opinion.
 
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post Sep 18 2005, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Sep 18 2005, 6:39 PM)
I would say that political opinions should be kept out of schools. You can teach politics, but stop adding your opinions.

I say this because I, unlike many of you, am a conservative Republican. Most teachers, however, are liberal pushovers. I swear, what the hell.

I don't care if you agree or not, but brainwashing the youth into liberalism? That's a bit wrong in my opinion.
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Don't you mean that brainwashing youth to be conservative rednecks who support slavery and other cruel things is a bit wrong as opposed to letting them know that change is welcome as long as it is good change? If we never changed, we'd still be where we were 100 - 200 yrs. ago. Again...I thought that the US was supposed to be the land of the free.
 
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post Sep 18 2005, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(kandiapplegrl @ Sep 18 2005, 6:50 PM)
Don't you mean that brainwashing youth to be conservative rednecks who support slavery and other cruel things is a bit wrong as opposed to letting them know that change is welcome as long as it is good change? If we never changed, we'd still be where we were 100 - 200 yrs. ago. Again...I thought that the US was supposed to be the land of the free.
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Don't excite yourself, sunshine. No one's brainwashing the youth to be conservative rednecks. However, most of the teaching population is forcing liberalism down throats. Can you say Columbia? rolleyes.gif

And by good change, do you mean barking insults at the president whenever he so much as farts? Or are you talking about the good caused by bashing America? Ohhh, maybe you meant republican bashing in general, because really, thats like the only thing most liberals do.
 
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Don't excite yourself, sunshine. No one's brainwashing the youth to be conservative rednecks. However, most of the teaching population is forcing liberalism down throats. Can you say Columbia?  rolleyes.gif

And by good change, do you mean barking insults at the president whenever he so much as farts? Or are you talking about the good caused by bashing America? Ohhh, maybe you meant republican bashing in general, because really, thats like the only thing most liberals do.
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Well, let's not pretend that Republics don't spend a lot of time bashing liberals--looking over the past several years, that, too, has been happening quite a bit. That's mostly what politics is--trying to one-up the opposition. It's a big reason I stopped studying political science.

As for liberal instructors, I don't think teachers are trying to slam politics down anyone's throats. First of all, there's a point where you need to start thinking for yourself; if you disagree with something a teacher says, call them on it. Challenge their views. Just because they state an opinion, doesn't mean they are trying to force anyone to believe it.

Besides, the reason that many liberals are teachers and professors is because conservative professionals tend to work in the private sector (where they can make more money, for one thing), and liberal professionals tend to work in academia.
 
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 18 2005, 7:14 PM)
Well, let's not pretend that Republics don't spend a lot of time bashing liberals--looking over the past several years, that, too, has been happening quite a bit. That's mostly what politics is--trying to one-up the opposition. It's a big reason I stopped studying political science.

As for liberal instructors, I don't think teachers are trying to slam politics down anyone's throats. First of all, there's a point where you need to start thinking for yourself; if you disagree with something a teacher says, call them on it. Challenge their views. Just because they state an opinion, doesn't mean they are trying to force anyone to believe it.

Besides, the reason that many liberals are teachers and professors is because conservative professionals tend to work in the private sector (where they can make more money, for one thing), and liberal professionals tend to work in academia.
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You seem like a smart person. I clap for you.

However, many students don't know better. Its what they grow up learning. I actually do challenge my teachers, but they don't really pay attention to it, considering I'm a mere freshman. But other kids aren't active in politics, and are started off listening to the overliberal media and celebrity role-models, and then teachers.

Also, a reason why conservatives aren't too common in academics is because they aren't accepted into it. Many schools look for professors with specific points of views. This may be exaggerating a bit, but its like being a black handicapped child in a room of clansmen with pitchforks. A slight feeling tells me you wouldn't be too welcome.

Although I'm declared conservative, I do think outside of it occasionally. I'm not 100% conservative, only mostly conservative. I believe that gay marriage should be legal, just like I believe abortion should be legal. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should restrict it from people who do agree.
 
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Sep 18 2005, 8:27 PM)
You seem like a smart person. I clap for you.

However, many students don't know better. Its what they grow up learning. Also, a reason why conservatives aren't too common in academics is because they aren't accepted into it. Many schools look for professors with specific points of views. This may be exaggerating a bit, but its like being a black handicapped child in a room of clansmen with pitchforks. A slight feeling tells me you wouldn't be too welcome.
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I don't think "What's your party affiliation?" is a common question asked when hiring professors.

The private-sector point, however, is a major reason. A conservative-minded individual is not going to spend four years as an undergrad and three as a grad student studying, say, economics, only to get his Ph.D. to teach; generally speaking, such an individual is going to go work in the private sector, where there is money to be made. For some reason, liberal-minded professionals tend to be more content earning meager wages and forging a career as a professor (which is one of the most pain-in-the-ass occupations).

I think the lack of conservative professors is also reflective of the atmosphere of a college. People aren't going to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to go to a college where none of the professors hold their viewpoints, which leads to the conclusion that, as a whole, most students are okay with liberal professors, since it's very easy to vote with their wallets if they aren't.

Even so, I don't find it a necessity that teachers and professors are completely balanced. Most subjects don't even pertain heavily to politics. At the collegiate level, it's good to hear opposing viewpoints--you're supposed to think for yourself by then, anyway. In middle school or high school, it's a little bit more dangerous, but a child doesn't only hear political views from teachers--he hears them from his parents and pastors as well, among other people. What's wrong with a child hearing all points of view?
 
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I don't think "What's your party affiliation?" is a common question asked when hiring professors.

The private-sector point, however, is a major reason. A conservative-minded individual is not going to spend four years as an undergrad and three as a grad student studying, say, economics, only to get his Ph.D. to teach; generally speaking, such an individual is going to go work in the private sector, where there is money to be made. For some reason, liberal-minded professionals tend to be more content earning meager wages and forging a career as a professor (which is one of the most pain-in-the-ass occupations).

I think the lack of conservative professors is also reflective of the atmosphere of a college. People aren't going to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to go to a college where none of the professors hold their viewpoints, which leads to the conclusion that, as a whole, most students are okay with liberal professors, since it's very easy to vote with their wallets if they aren't.

Even so, I don't find it a necessity that teachers and professors are completely balanced. Most subjects don't even pertain heavily to politics. At the collegiate level, it's good to hear opposing viewpoints--you're supposed to think for yourself by then, anyway. In middle school or high school, it's a little bit more dangerous, but a child doesn't only hear political views from teachers--he hears them from his parents and pastors as well, among other people. What's wrong with a child hearing all points of view?
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The problem is that the child doesn't hear all the views. We are probably going to be fine with liberal or conservative professors. It won't be a problem for us.

However, that doesn't change the fact that many people aren't into politics. They just follow what those around them say. For example, take all the Bush-bashers. Many people say "omg, why can't he just take the troops out?!!!", and know nothing about the situation. That is a brainwashed liberal.

Liberalism is not wrong. Conservatism is not wrong. But the fact remains that when being taught by liberals, an influencable person is likely to blindly follow along.

My AP World History teacher makes slight remarks about not considering Bush his president and other comments. This doesn't seem like much, but it subliminally puts teens on a path to liberalism.
 
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Sep 18 2005, 9:13 PM)
The problem is that the child doesn't hear all the views. We are probably going to be fine with liberal or conservative professors. It won't be a problem for us.

However, that doesn't change the fact that many people aren't into politics. They just follow what those around them say. For example, take all the Bush-bashers. Many people say "omg, why can't he just take the troops out?!!!", and know nothing about the situation. That is a brainwashed liberal.

Liberalism is not wrong. Conservatism is not wrong. But the fact remains that when being taught by liberals, an influencable person is likely to blindly follow along.

My AP World History teacher makes slight remarks about not considering Bush his president and other comments. This doesn't seem like much, but it subliminally puts teens on a path to liberalism.
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Well, an influencable person will likely follow anyone, be it liberal or conservative; I don't see how getting rid of liberal teachers is going to change that. If a person is that easily influenced, they're going to blindly follow whoever is telling them what to think, be that parent, teacher, pastor, or an anchorman. I don't think the solution is to remove all opinions from the classroom, but rather, to teach students how to analyze opinions and think for themselves.

The fact is, a child will hear a variety of political opinions. You said you were conservative, for example. Perhaps maybe in school your teachers mostly have liberal viewpoints, but I'd be willing to bet the same does not go for your parents or your pastor. A teacher is not the only person educating a student on political views.

I also find your example of "all the Bush-bashers" to be a bit vague and inaccurate. Not everyone who criticizes the President is just blindly following political rhetoric; likewise, just because someone supports the President does not mean he has thought things through and is less influenced than other people.

I also don't think the remarks of your AP World History teacher are as influential as you say--or at least not in a subliminal way, since subliminal influences are a myth anyways. Furthermore, I think most students in an AP World History class are intelligent enough to separate fact from opinion and form their own viewpoints.

There has to be a point where we say that students are old and mature enough to deal with opinions contrary to their own, or that they are old and mature enough to form their own political opinions. I don't think shielding students from political opinions is a good solution; I think that using the political opinions of an instructor as a basis for rational discussion is any excellent method of teaching.
 

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