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9/11 movies
*kryogenix*
post Aug 17 2005, 03:10 PM
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Oh man. They better not screw this up. Documentaries are fine (except for movies like Fahrenheit 9/11). If they make a love story, I'm going to be pissed. I have a feeling some of them are just exploiting 9/11. They better not have a political message. I have a bad feeling the Oliver Stone is going to screw this up. And if they bash the United States, or justify the attacks in any way, I'm going to be pissed.
 
 
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*kryogenix*
post Aug 24 2005, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 24 2005, 11:18 AM)
Fahrenheit 9/11 isn't a documentary, but it is more of an editorial; and like it or not, Michael Moore has a right to express his opinion, even one contradicting that of our own government's propaganda machine (which has been spewing out spin endlessly since 9/11). I don't see why it is acceptable for the government and the Bush administration to spin the story and express their opinions how they choose, but a private citizen like Michael Moore is "helping the terrorists."

Granted, I don't like Michael Moore very much because he does do more harm than good, but the fact is, amongst all the biases and propaganda, there is some good information about the government that people should know about.
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I'm fine with Michael Moore expressing his opinion. I just don't want him supporting his opinion with lies. I'd rather he just present the good information, rather than wrap it in trash.

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  I'm not going to get heated about this…but Micheal Moore has never told a lie that cost thousands of lives. Take that how you will.


Yeah, Bill Clinton is a heck of a liar.
 
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post Aug 24 2005, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 24 2005, 12:59 PM)

So at what point do we stop blaming everything on Michael Moore or Bill Clinton, and actually admit that yes, George Bush misled the public, and yes, that cost over 1000 American lives?
 
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post Aug 25 2005, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 24 2005, 3:53 PM)
So at what point do we stop blaming everything on Michael Moore or Bill Clinton, and actually admit that yes, George Bush misled the public, and yes, that cost over 1000 American lives?
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At what point do we stop talking about Iraq in a thread about 9/11? Bill Clinton attacked Iraq for WMDs.

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Michael Moore didn't lie. He used hard facts in every bit of that movie, just interpreted and used these facts, showing them differently than you would.

Why don't you get this? None of it is lies, it's just not seen in the same light as you.

Conservatives and liberals have the same information on the war in their minds. There's disagreement because they interpret and use the information differently. It's not that either of them are lying, they just choose to use the facts they've been given differently than the other.


Didn't lie?

Here's one. Moore said that Iraq never threatened to attack the United States or any of its citizens. We all know how they've been shooting at our planes. We know Saddam planned to assassinate George Bush Sr. We know that his sons wanted to attack US war ships. USN CVNs are considered sovreign US territor. An attack on one would be considered an attack on the United States.

Even when he doesn't lie, he grossly twists the facts.

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michael moore made the movie to INFORM people....because unfortunately, a lot of people are brainwashed and don't know the truth about 9/11 and Bush.


Suggesting F.9/11 is the whole truth is absurd, and if you disagree, you've been brainwashed.

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  of course farenheit 9/11 was extrodinarily one sided. i stopped watching it halfway through. but i thought it twisted facts- not made them up.


It had more half truths, misleading figures, and twisted facts than outright lies, but there were some.

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of course it was one-sided. if you're a republican, then you simply shouldn't watch the movie because you'll be "offended". there are plenty of movies that liberals would never want to watch because they are made by conservatives. clearly, republicans have a certain state of mind about the war in iraq and 9/11, and a documentary isn't going to change their views.


A few posts up, you said the movie was to inform people. Shouldn't I watch it, even if I am conservative minded? Or was Fahrenheit 9/11 made just to reinforce the conclusions that those on the left already made. You're really confusing me.

I'll reiterate that it's ridiculous to think only conservatives will be offended by the film. As I've stated earlier, Ed Koch was offended. Mr. Acid over here gave up on it.

And if anything, what you've stated about Republicans is true about many other people, not just Republicans.

I'm willing to change my view if the facts clearly tell me I'm wrong. Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't have enough facts to convince me.
 

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kryogenix   9/11 movies   Aug 17 2005, 03:10 PM
Kristinaa   Question: What the hell are you talking about?   Aug 17 2005, 03:11 PM
kryogenix   I guess you haven't seen the news. http://www...   Aug 17 2005, 03:12 PM
Kristinaa   AWW HELL NO! Hollywood + anything political =...   Aug 17 2005, 03:14 PM
yellowgurl   QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Aug 17 2...   Aug 18 2005, 01:38 AM
aera   i like the documentaries, like the flight that fou...   Aug 17 2005, 08:48 PM
sadolakced acid   aww pooh. if you can let hollywood make a movie a...   Aug 17 2005, 11:56 PM
kryogenix   The questions: 1) Are we ready for movies based on...   Aug 18 2005, 06:55 AM
The Voice   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 18 2005, 6:55 AM)How ca...   Aug 18 2005, 08:59 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(The Voice @ Aug 18 2005, 8:59 AM)Every ...   Aug 22 2005, 08:03 AM
The Voice   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 22 2005, 8:03 AM)If a d...   Aug 22 2005, 09:42 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 22 2005, 9:03 AM)1. Fah...   Aug 22 2005, 01:56 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 22 2005, 1:56 PM)How is it...   Aug 23 2005, 10:38 AM
helllla jankyyyy   I hope its not a love story. Come on.   Aug 18 2005, 12:00 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 17 2005, 4:10 PM)Oh man...   Aug 18 2005, 02:29 AM
napoleon034   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 18 2005, 2:29 AM)Wh...   Aug 18 2005, 03:15 PM
illumineering   The "truth" you refer to is a matter of ...   Aug 18 2005, 06:59 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 18 2005, 6:59 AM)Th...   Aug 18 2005, 07:05 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 18 2005, 8:05 AM)The tr...   Aug 18 2005, 07:14 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 18 2005, 7:14 AM)No...   Aug 18 2005, 08:04 AM
SkaironFrenzy   i bet they're going to say its g. bush's f...   Aug 18 2005, 03:58 PM
The Voice   QUOTE(SkaironFrenzy @ Aug 18 2005, 3:58 PM)i ...   Aug 19 2005, 10:02 AM
napoleon034   QUOTE(The Voice @ Aug 19 2005, 10:02 AM)See, ...   Aug 19 2005, 11:52 AM
The Voice   QUOTE(napoleon034 @ Aug 19 2005, 11:52 AM)Rec...   Aug 19 2005, 12:07 PM
Kristinaa   Ah blah blah, I really gotta stop coming in here. ...   Aug 22 2005, 06:24 PM
disco infiltrator   1. You may not like Fahrenheit 911, but it is true...   Aug 19 2005, 02:18 PM
zepfel   just take the film with a pinch of salt... it...   Aug 19 2005, 07:33 PM
disco infiltrator   Saying George Bush is a hero for going to war is p...   Aug 22 2005, 05:43 PM
mipadi   I think it's going a bit far to say that any c...   Aug 23 2005, 03:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 23 2005, 3:28 PM)I think i...   Aug 23 2005, 06:42 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ and farenheit 9/11 was all lies?   Aug 23 2005, 08:37 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 23 2005, 8:37 PM)...   Aug 24 2005, 07:57 AM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 24 2005, 7:57 AM)It had...   Aug 24 2005, 09:33 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(caytexo @ Aug 24 2005, 9:33 AM)And, exa...   Aug 24 2005, 10:20 AM
Kristinaa   QUOTE(caytexo @ Aug 24 2005, 9:33 AM)And, exa...   Aug 25 2005, 07:24 PM
mipadi   Fahrenheit 9/11 isn't a documentary, but it is...   Aug 24 2005, 11:18 AM
The Voice   I'm not going to get heated about this…but Mic...   Aug 24 2005, 11:21 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 24 2005, 11:18 AM)Fahrenhe...   Aug 24 2005, 11:59 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 24 2005, 12:59 PM)Yeah,...   Aug 24 2005, 03:53 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 24 2005, 3:53 PM)So at wha...   Aug 25 2005, 08:36 AM
disco infiltrator   Michael Moore didn't lie. He used hard facts i...   Aug 24 2005, 04:32 PM
LordAwesome   Well, you argue back and fourth so fervently. Darn...   Aug 24 2005, 06:57 PM
sandy_lumpy_shore   i agree with you. documentries are nice but when ...   Aug 24 2005, 07:09 PM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(sandy_lumpy_shore @ Aug 24 2005, 7:09 P...   Aug 24 2005, 07:45 PM
xklipse   ah geez, I knew they gonna make a movie the second...   Aug 24 2005, 07:10 PM
sadolakced acid   of course farenheit 9/11 was extrodinarily one sid...   Aug 24 2005, 07:46 PM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 24 2005, 7:46 PM)...   Aug 24 2005, 07:50 PM
disco infiltrator   Fahrenheit 9/11 was a movie about current events a...   Aug 25 2005, 03:35 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 25 2005, 3:35 PM)Fahre...   Aug 26 2005, 06:19 AM
sadolakced acid   ^^(two up) like the fact that the third plane fle...   Aug 26 2005, 07:54 PM
Kristinaa   Oh damn. I did forget about the 4th. Blah. But s...   Aug 27 2005, 03:22 PM


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