American Society, is crap Options

[Paradox of Life]

I'm sure several of you will disagree with me, but that's perfectly fine because after all, this is in debate. I considered putting it in the lounge, but yeah, I figured it'd might end up as a debate.

Okay, my opinion right now is that society and the human race is pathetic, stupid and overly restrained.

Since when is sex and nudity so forbidden? It's the human body! Why be ashamed? Why are people so afraid to show what everyone else has! And why is reproducing and looking at the act of reproduction suddenly sinful? No other animal has this kind of restraint. As well as kissing, making out, showing affection. Why are parents so hesitant about letting their kids do those things? Don't tell me because they're too young because then you'd be proving my point. The rules of propriety are absolutely ridiculous.

The object of life is to survive, but look what mankind did! They made technology and electricity and all these stupid devices, so now humans are so weak, they have to go to a store to get their food. They have to go to the store to buy their clothing. What a waste of time and effort to make these things! Humans are so stupid and useless, they can't farm or hunt or do things self-sufficiently because there will be a grocery store a few blocks away where they can buy everything they need with paper!

Why are humans so weak? Because they manipulated nature and took advantage of it. They made factory farming, to kill millions of animals every day for the sake of mankind. They made factories, cars, cigarettes that are slowly destroying the atmosphere. They're cutting down trees for their own convenience, while driving all the animals that live there to extinction, but it's not doing anything! It's making human kind WEAKER!

How is it making us weaker? BECAUSE WE DEPEND ON THESE CAPITAL RESOURCES. We're so weak now, that if you tossed us into a forest, we wouldn't last but for a week or two. Do that to us in the stone age, when what we focused on was survival, and we could live. But now, humans depend on what they've created and the earth is completely haywire.

Animals are much better off than we are as far as survival skills. We think we're so great and strong and mighty, but really, if you strip a man naked and toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days. We're not even animals anymore. We're so strange, we think we're so special, we're a whole different species.

Please don't post on here telling me how stupid I am. That's rude and unnecessary. Thanks.

[*kryogenix*]

Just one question before we start, what makes you think these things are exclusive to American Society?

I'm sure several of you will disagree with me, but that's perfectly fine because after all, this is in debate. I considered putting it in the lounge, but yeah, I figured it'd might end up as a debate.

Okay, my opinion right now is that society and the human race is pathetic, stupid and overly restrained.

Pathetic? We're only the dominant species on this planet. Stupid? You're typing this from a computer and you're calling us stupid? And you're only as restrained as you want to be. You're living in society governed by laws. If you don't like the laws, find a way to change them, or leave the society.

Since when is sex and nudity so forbidden? It's the human body! Why be ashamed? Why are people so afraid to show what everyone else has! And why is reproducing and looking at the act of reproduction suddenly sinful? No other animal has this kind of restraint. As well as kissing, making out, showing affection. Why are parents so hesitant about letting their kids do those things? Don't tell me because they're too young because then you'd be proving my point. The rules of propriety are absolutely ridiculous.

I don't disagree with intercourse as a sign of love between two people in an attempt to bring about new life. I think the problem is with lust. Lust != Love. With lust, the parents are just thinking of their own short term desires, rather than the consequences and long term commitment. A child born from lust has a harder time being loved than a child born from a loving relationship. If we weren't so restrained and everyone was having sex, our population would have ballooned, and either a lot of people would be dead, or all of our living conditions would drop. As for parental objection to kissing and making out, I give them the benefit of the doubt. We all know how sometimes "one thing leads to another" and parents just want to avoid that.

The object of life is to survive, but look what mankind did! They made technology and electricity and all these stupid devices, so now humans are so weak, they have to go to a store to get their food. They have to go to the store to buy their clothing. What a waste of time and effort to make these things! Humans are so stupid and useless, they can't farm or hunt or do things self-sufficiently because there will be a grocery store a few blocks away where they can buy everything they need with paper!

We're just fine. Animals have special tools for certain tasks, like wings and sharp teeth. Instead of these things, we got a bigger brain. Technology is the fruit of this bigger brain. I think it's a great thing. The world can support a larger population because there is more food readily available than a hunter-gatherer society would have. And I don't think there was a time when humans were immensely strong/had physical tools that helped them survive better. Maybe we got a little bit weaker, but we know how technology that multiplies our strength a hundred fold.

Why are humans so weak? Because they manipulated nature and took advantage of it. They made factory farming, to kill millions of animals every day for the sake of mankind. They made factories, cars, cigarettes that are slowly destroying the atmosphere. They're cutting down trees for their own convenience, while driving all the animals that live there to extinction, but it's not doing anything! It's making human kind WEAKER!

We're pretty much the dominant species here on earth. If the trees and animals want to complain, they'd have done so by now. Farms are necessary for the survival of the human race. We need readily available food in order to feed the people.

Humankind realizes that someday, our resources might run out. That's why we're looking for renewable and cleaner sources of energy. If anything, this is a sign of us getting stronger, not weaker.

How is it making us weaker? BECAUSE WE DEPEND ON THESE CAPITAL RESOURCES. We're so weak now, that if you tossed us into a forest, we wouldn't last but for a week or two. Do that to us in the stone age, when what we focused on was survival, and we could live. But now, humans depend on what they've created and the earth is completely haywire.

You're definitely not giving us enough credit here. Didn't the first colonists do exactly that? A bunch of people set up a village in a forest. Look where we are now.

Again, our lifestyle now is a sign of progression, not regression of the human ability to survive.

Animals are much better off than we are as far as survival skills. We think we're so great and strong and mighty, but really, if you strip a man naked and toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days. We're not even animals anymore. We're so strange, we think we're so special, we're a whole different species.

If you stripped a man naked, and tossed him into the forest, he'd probably die. However, if you removed a fish's gills and tossed it on land, it would die too. If you removed a bird's wings and tossed it in the desert, it would probably die.

The reason why all of these would die is because you're stripping them of the specialized things they use to survive, and placing him in a foreign habitat. Our feature is our intelligence and the ability to use tools. Humans have adapted to live in comfortable houses. It's better that way.

However, I can't help but think the original poster is hypocritical. If you were against this, wouldn't you take off your clothes and run to the woods right now? You're asking the human race to reform, but you refuse to do so yourself. Practice what you preach.

[Paradox of Life]

Just one question before we start, what makes you think these things are exclusive to American Society?

Because they have the most restrained laws. I don't think in Europe or other places the laws about nudity, etc are so strictly enforced. And in Belgium and possibly other countries they are allowed to smoke, drink at any age or even smoke marijuana at 18. It's FREEDOM OF CHOICE. America claims to have all this freedom and independence, but it's just thousands of people on a piece of land with overly restrictive laws and government.

Pathetic? We're only the dominant species on this planet. Stupid? You're typing this from a computer and you're calling us stupid? And you're only as restrained as you want to be. You're living in society governed by laws. If you don't like the laws, find a way to change them, or leave the society.

The object of life is to survive and we were doing just fine as primitive human beings. If we could survive in the heat and cold for a few years, we as ANIMALS would adapt to the environment and wouldn't be so weak as we are now. We choose to make the environment a different place, a more comfortable place for us because our strong, complex emotions demand for such things. We won't die if faced with heat or cold. We'll eventually adapt.

I don't disagree with intercourse as a sign of love between two people in an attempt to bring about new life. I think the problem is with lust. Lust != Love. With lust, the parents are just thinking of their own short term desires, rather than the consequences and long term commitment. A child born from lust has a harder time being loved than a child born from a loving relationship. If we weren't so restrained and everyone was having sex, our population would have ballooned, and either a lot of people would be dead, or all of our living conditions would drop. As for parental objection to kissing and making out, I give them the benefit of the doubt. We all know how sometimes "one thing leads to another" and parents just want to avoid that.

Okay, you made a really good point here and I have trouble saying something in return. And this is the negative effect of emotion because emotion creates lust, lust creates the desire for sex, the desire for sex and sex itself will cause inevitable reproduction. But keep in mind, not EVERYONE is looking for people to have sex with. A lot of people aren't interested at all. If people took no caution about sex, I'm sure the earth's living conditions and population would not have such dramatic changes as you said. And people can have sex without going through intercourse. But yeah.. It's hard not to. So I'll mostly agree with you on this factor.

We're just fine. Animals have special tools for certain tasks, like wings and sharp teeth. Instead of these things, we got a bigger brain. Technology is the fruit of this bigger brain. I think it's a great thing. The world can support a larger population because there is more food readily available than a hunter-gatherer society would have. And I don't think there was a time when humans were immensely strong/had physical tools that helped them survive better. Maybe we got a little bit weaker, but we know how technology that multiplies our strength a hundred fold.

Again, our lifestyle now is a sign of progression, not regression of the human ability to survive.
If you stripped a man naked, and tossed him into the forest, he'd probably die. However, if you removed a fish's gills and tossed it on land, it would die too. If you removed a bird's wings and tossed it in the desert, it would probably die.

There you go! Like I said, we depend on technology like a fish depends on it's gills. But technology is not part of our body or adaptations. Someone who has no idea about how to work an electric device can still use it and depend on it to live. Therefore.. it really takes no mental or physical ability to be able to survive.

We're pretty much the dominant species here on earth. If the trees and animals want to complain, they'd have done so by now. Farms are necessary for the survival of the human race. We need readily available food in order to feed the people.

Humankind realizes that someday, our resources might run out. That's why we're looking for renewable and cleaner sources of energy. If anything, this is a sign of us getting stronger, not weaker.
You're definitely not giving us enough credit here. Didn't the first colonists do exactly that? A bunch of people set up a village in a forest. Look where we are now.

Yeah, we're stronger. Thanks to technology. There are several ways to survive, which is obviously the objective of life. We decided to make it an easy, comfortable, at times almost an effortless life. Take away all our modern conveniences and we'd die.

However, I can't help but think the original poster is hypocritical. If you were against this, wouldn't you take off your clothes and run to the woods right now? You're asking the human race to reform, but you refuse to do so yourself. Practice what you preach.

Jesus. How many times do I have to repeat this? We were brought up as weaklings and so I can't practice what I preach solely because I was raised in a comfortable living and etc. Humans NO LONGER have adaptations to survive in such conditions. Okay, sometimes I am a hypocrite, but not in this situation. I'm not saying everyone is weak excluding myself. I AM WEAK, BUT I REALIZE IT.

[*RiC3xBoy*]

Yeah, we're stronger. Thanks to technology. There are several ways to survive, which is obviously the objective of life. We decided to make it an easy, comfortable, at times almost an effortless life. Take away all our modern conveniences and we'd die.

Uhhh...taking that away is the same as taking out intelect. In other words, thats the same as taking away an animals claws, sharp teeth, or hyper sensitive nose. I highly doubt a cheetah would be able to survive without its teeth and claws.