American Society, is crap Options

[Paradox of Life]

I'm sure several of you will disagree with me, but that's perfectly fine because after all, this is in debate. I considered putting it in the lounge, but yeah, I figured it'd might end up as a debate.

Okay, my opinion right now is that society and the human race is pathetic, stupid and overly restrained.

Since when is sex and nudity so forbidden? It's the human body! Why be ashamed? Why are people so afraid to show what everyone else has! And why is reproducing and looking at the act of reproduction suddenly sinful? No other animal has this kind of restraint. As well as kissing, making out, showing affection. Why are parents so hesitant about letting their kids do those things? Don't tell me because they're too young because then you'd be proving my point. The rules of propriety are absolutely ridiculous.

The object of life is to survive, but look what mankind did! They made technology and electricity and all these stupid devices, so now humans are so weak, they have to go to a store to get their food. They have to go to the store to buy their clothing. What a waste of time and effort to make these things! Humans are so stupid and useless, they can't farm or hunt or do things self-sufficiently because there will be a grocery store a few blocks away where they can buy everything they need with paper!

Why are humans so weak? Because they manipulated nature and took advantage of it. They made factory farming, to kill millions of animals every day for the sake of mankind. They made factories, cars, cigarettes that are slowly destroying the atmosphere. They're cutting down trees for their own convenience, while driving all the animals that live there to extinction, but it's not doing anything! It's making human kind WEAKER!

How is it making us weaker? BECAUSE WE DEPEND ON THESE CAPITAL RESOURCES. We're so weak now, that if you tossed us into a forest, we wouldn't last but for a week or two. Do that to us in the stone age, when what we focused on was survival, and we could live. But now, humans depend on what they've created and the earth is completely haywire.

Animals are much better off than we are as far as survival skills. We think we're so great and strong and mighty, but really, if you strip a man naked and toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days. We're not even animals anymore. We're so strange, we think we're so special, we're a whole different species.

Please don't post on here telling me how stupid I am. That's rude and unnecessary. Thanks.

[ComradeRed]

Since when is sex and nudity so forbidden? It's the human body! Why be ashamed? Why are people so afraid to show what everyone else has! And why is reproducing and looking at the act of reproduction suddenly sinful? No other animal has this kind of restraint. As well as kissing, making out, showing affection. Why are parents so hesitant about letting their kids do those things? Don't tell me because they're too young because then you'd be proving my point. The rules of propriety are absolutely ridiculous.

No, but you see, when most animals have promiscuous sex, they leave their young to die off, thus maintaining the population equilibrium. In human society, we care for even the babies of strangers with welfare and stuff, so understandably, we don't want strangers having any more babies than they need to be having.

The object of life is to survive, but look what mankind did! They made technology and electricity and all these stupid devices, so now humans are so weak, they have to go to a store to get their food. They have to go to the store to buy their clothing. What a waste of time and effort to make these things! Humans are so stupid and useless, they can't farm or hunt or do things self-sufficiently because there will be a grocery store a few blocks away where they can buy everything they need with paper!

That's because the few people that do farm are so good at it that they can give food to the rest of us, and the rest of us can build things like guns, that make them strongers, and commodities, that make their lives more comfortable. So the reason most of us don't farm and hunt is because, as a species, we are too good at it--so we don't need everyone to do it.

Besides, humans have been hunting with tools forever--first with primitive sticks, where you'd need an entire village to bring down a large prey, then with bows and arrows, where you'd need a couple people, and now with high-powered rifles, where one man is enough. It's just a question of degree, not type.

Human beings are the strongest species--that's why we're killing all the other species.

Why are humans so weak? Because they manipulated nature and took advantage of it. They made factory farming, to kill millions of animals every day for the sake of mankind. They made factories, cars, cigarettes that are slowly destroying the atmosphere. They're cutting down trees for their own convenience, while driving all the animals that live there to extinction, but it's not doing anything! It's making human kind WEAKER!

The definition of being weak is being unable to defend yourself. But when you have the offensive, and other things are unable to defend themselves against you, that means that you have a superabundance of strength, not you are weak.

How is it making us weaker? BECAUSE WE DEPEND ON THESE CAPITAL RESOURCES. We're so weak now, that if you tossed us into a forest, we wouldn't last but for a week or two. Do that to us in the stone age, when what we focused on was survival, and we could live. But now, humans depend on what they've created and the earth is completely haywire.

But no one is being tossed into the forest now. We've adapted to a technological society, because society is technological. Just because a mammal couldn't survive in the climate of 500 million years ago doesn't mean anything because mammals didn't live in that period.

Animals are much better off than we are as far as survival skills. We think we're so great and strong and mighty, but really, if you strip a man naked and toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days. We're not even animals anymore. We're so strange, we think we're so special, we're a whole different species.

If you shave the skin off a lion, tear its teeth out, and then toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days too.

You use all the resources at your disposal. For humans, it's the division of labor.

And for the record, we are a whole different species--we can't copulate with other species to produce viable offspring.

Please don't post on here telling me how stupid I am. That's rude and unnecessary. Thanks.

Rude, perhaps, but I would question the unnecessary part.

[Paradox of Life]

^ I suppose it is a rant. But you actually took time to read it and respond. And several don't survive when tossed into the wild or at least come back injured and sick. It wouldn't be such a challenge if we were like 'animals'.

No, but you see, when most animals have promiscuous sex, they leave their young to die off, thus maintaining the population equilibrium. In human society, we care for even the babies of strangers with welfare and stuff, so understandably, we don't want strangers having any more babies than they need to be having.

This wouldn't be a problem if humans hadn't already become so weak that babies could not fend for themselves and use instinct to keep themselves alive. Humans are so complex with emotion that it's made us care for things that shouldn't even be wasted time on.

Take for example the Terry Shiavo case. It wouldn't have been such a huge debate if people could just be logical for a minute and think, this woman is braindead, sitting in the hospital all day and night, unable to think or feel happiness. Why keep her alive? And yet they did for over 15 years. Good thing they finally let her die though. But it took an awful long time.

That's because the few people that do farm are so good at it that they can give food to the rest of us, and the rest of us can build things like guns, that make them strongers, and commodities, that make their lives more comfortable. So the reason most of us don't farm and hunt is because, as a species, we are too good at it--so we don't need everyone to do it.

It sounds like a good idea to enhance and use the earth's resources to make things like guns and air condition, but it's really making humans weaker at the same time.

Let's say there's an army of soldiers, unequipped, that wants to fight against (society, nature, man) another army. By making guns and cannons and grenades, they're able to fight it off and win the battle. But let's say you take away all the guns, cannons and grenades. What then? They're useless.

Besides, humans have been hunting with tools forever--first with primitive sticks, where you'd need an entire village to bring down a large prey, then with bows and arrows, where you'd need a couple people, and now with high-powered rifles, where one man is enough. It's just a question of degree, not type.

I'm not saying guns and weapons are wrong. I'm saying by using them, the human race as an animal species is getting weaker because we depend on such things. Humans as animals adapt to their surroundings and we've not adapted for the better.

Human beings are the strongest species--that's why we're killing all the other species.
The definition of being weak is being unable to defend yourself. But when you have the offensive, and other things are unable to defend themselves against you, that means that you have a superabundance of strength, not you are weak.

You have a point because humans are the only ones that can manipulate the earth in such a way to be able to make survival for themselves. But humans aren't able to defend themselves as well as other creatures. If you're walking across the street, you could be snatched up by a kidnapper or run over by a car. Simply because, we've adapted to being in a comfortable living and not needing skills such as fast reflexes, speed, etc for anything but games and sports. And oftentimes, those skills aren't applied to anything else because you're not alert.

But no one is being tossed into the forest now. We've adapted to a technological society, because society is technological. Just because a mammal couldn't survive in the climate of 500 million years ago doesn't mean anything because mammals didn't live in that period.
If you shave the skin off a lion, tear its teeth out, and then toss him into the wild, he'd be dead meat in a matter of days too.

Society is technological. Humans depend on technology. Even the ones that didn't even contribute in creating it. And if you're going to shave a lion, tear its teeth out and toss it into the wild, you might as well skin off a human, tear its teeth out and toss it into the wild. The human would die first because there are no grocery stores and computers! Boo hoo.

You use all the resources at your disposal. For humans, it's the division of labor.

And for the record, we are a whole different species--we can't copulate with other species to produce viable offspring.
Rude, perhaps, but I would question the unnecessary part.

We're a whole different species because we're weak, we're destroying the world and taking advantage of our intelligence.

[ComradeRed]

This wouldn't be a problem if humans hadn't already become so weak that babies could not fend for themselves and use instinct to keep themselves alive. Humans are so complex with emotion that it's made us care for things that shouldn't even be wasted time on.

No, emotion exists to bond people so that they have more of an incentive to make babies and protect their babies.

A human baby isn't going to have the physical strength to survive; we are a species that looks after our young. That's our survival strategy and it's just as valid as any other.

Take for example the Terry Shiavo case. It wouldn't have been such a huge debate if people could just be logical for a minute and think, this woman is braindead, sitting in the hospital all day and night, unable to think or feel happiness. Why keep her alive? And yet they did for over 15 years. Good thing they finally let her die though. But it took an awful long time.
It sounds like a good idea to enhance and use the earth's resources to make things like guns and air condition, but it's really making humans weaker at the same time.

Guns let us hunt more efficienty. Air conditioning lets us not die of heatstroke in hot environments (otherwise, we wouldn't be able to settle parts of the world).

Let's say there's an army of soldiers, unequipped, that wants to fight against (society, nature, man) another army. By making guns and cannons and grenades, they're able to fight it off and win the battle. But let's say you take away all the guns, cannons and grenades. What then? They're useless.

But that doesn't matter, because they know how to make the guns, cannons, and grenades.

I'm not saying guns and weapons are wrong. I'm saying by using them, the human race as an animal species is getting weaker because we depend on such things. Humans as animals adapt to their surroundings and we've not adapted for the better.

No, the human race without weapons is weaker; but we have weapons so it doesn't matter. A tiger would be weaker if you cut off its arms, but it has arms, so it doesn't matter.

You have a point because humans are the only ones that can manipulate the earth in such a way to be able to make survival for themselves.

No, all animals do this. That's what survival is.

But humans aren't able to defend themselves as well as other creatures. If you're walking across the street, you could be snatched up by a kidnapper or run over by a car. Simply because, we've adapted to being in a comfortable living and not needing skills such as fast reflexes, speed, etc for anything but games and sports. And oftentimes, those skills aren't applied to anything else because you're not alert.

If you've ever driven on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, you will realize that there is a lot more dead animal roadkill than people who have been hit by a car.

It takes a lot of quick reflexes to drive safely.

Society is technological. Humans depend on technology. Even the ones that didn't even contribute in creating it. And if you're going to shave a lion, tear its teeth out and toss it into the wild, you might as well skin off a human, tear its teeth out and toss it into the wild. The human would die first because there are no grocery stores and computers! Boo hoo.

Not everyone needs to be creating technology, because the people that do do it are so good at it. You don't understand specialization.

We're a whole different species because we're weak, we're destroying the world and taking advantage of our intelligence.

Intelligence is an asset, just like physical strength.