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democracy in Iraq
Retrogressive
post Aug 15 2005, 02:07 PM
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Before stating wether you think we should still be in Iraq please think about this: Is it considered freedom if one nation forces another nation to be under the same government just because we believe that it is right? Does this justify inforcement of democracy in other countries? If we obolish different cultures it will obolish the very thing that makes us human- diversity. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anything, I do believe in human rights especially womens rights. I just would like to get other opinions- elaborate.
 
 
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onecrazyfreak
post Aug 15 2005, 03:22 PM
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Geeezzz I dunno...When you think about it from either perspective it's wrong, you know??? I mean osama and hussien deserved to be taken out... but our soldiers and civilians don't deserve to die. You cannot forget what they did to us. The civilian casualties on 9/11 have to be higher than what we have done overseas. The problem is that the overall goal, why we even went over to the middle east in the first place, was to take out the al-quieda (sp?) and Osama bien ladan (sp?) neither of those goals have been accomplished so far. And then when you take into account all we have lost in Iraq (lives, money, equipment, etc.) You really have to question Bush's ego issues...So, in closing, I think that the war in Iraq (not the terrorists we were supposed to take out) is more about Bush's ego (and oil prices)than the fact that he genuinely cares about Iraq. If he really wanted to protect america from terrorists he wouldn't be playing around in Iraq...anyway I will always admire and support our armed forces, even if I believe that the cause is not such a worthy one.

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post Aug 15 2005, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(onecrazyfreak @ Aug 15 2005, 3:22 PM)
Geeezzz I dunno...When you think about it from either perspective it's wrong, you know??? I mean osama and hussien deserved to be taken out... but our soldiers and civilians don't deserve to die. You cannot forget what they did to us. The civilian casualties on 9/11 have to be higher than what we have done overseas. The problem is that the overall goal, why we even went over to the middle east in the first place, was to take out the al-quieda (sp?) and Osama bien ladan (sp?) neither of those goals have been accomplished so far. And then when you take into account all we have lost in Iraq (lives, money, equipment, etc.) You really have to question Bush's ego issues...So, in closing, I think that the war in Iraq (not the terrorists we were supposed to take out) is more about Bush's ego (and oil prices)than the fact that he genuinely cares about Iraq. If he really wanted to protect america from terrorists he wouldn't be playing around in Iraq...anyway I will always admire and support our armed forces, even if I believe that the cause is not such a worthy one.

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To the crazyfreakperson:
-We didn't go into Iraq to take out Osamma B.L. We went in there for weapons of mass desctruction.
- What the hell does Bush's EGO have to do with anything? He is doing what he thinks best for this country. Ego has very very very very little to do with anything.


To Retrogressive:

-Is it considered freedom if one nation forces another nation to be under the same government just because we believe that it is right? They've been under a dictatorship regime for so long, that this change is something good for them. A democracy where they can vote who they want to vote for, not some old fat person who decides.
- Where are we enforcing democracy in other countries?
- How are we 'obolishing' other peoples cultures? You call being under a dictator for X amount of years a culture?
- Human rights. Ha. Womens rights. Ha ha. I really dont see how those matter for this argument.
 
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post Aug 15 2005, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Aug 15 2005, 1:41 PM)
-Is it considered freedom if one nation forces another nation to be under the same government just because we believe that it is right? They've been under a dictatorship regime for so long, that this change is something good for them. A democracy where they can vote who they want to vote for, not some old fat person who decides.
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Whose to judge whether Democracy is good for them??? If we did suceed, we'd be no better than the Biritish who try to imperialize India, Africa and Eastern Europe.
 

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Retrogressive   democracy in Iraq   Aug 15 2005, 02:07 PM
onecrazyfreak   Geeezzz I dunno...When you think about it from eit...   Aug 15 2005, 03:22 PM
Kristinaa   QUOTE(onecrazyfreak @ Aug 15 2005, 3:22 PM)Ge...   Aug 15 2005, 03:41 PM
RiC3xBoy   QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Aug 15 2...   Aug 15 2005, 06:09 PM
medic   QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Aug 15 2005, 1:07 PM)Be...   Aug 15 2005, 05:01 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(medic @ Aug 15 2005, 6:01 PM)China, but...   Aug 15 2005, 09:15 PM
medic   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 15 2005, 8:15 PM)Wr...   Aug 15 2005, 10:55 PM
sadolakced acid   wow, forcing people to have freedom sure isn't...   Aug 15 2005, 06:27 PM
not_your_average   Well, we didn't go to Iraq to implement democr...   Aug 15 2005, 07:30 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ interestingly, we have to extert an imperialisti...   Aug 15 2005, 09:04 PM
aera   ^yup. and they have a "fake" communist g...   Aug 15 2005, 09:34 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ nontheless, the increasing economic power, both ...   Aug 15 2005, 10:59 PM
medic   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 15 2005, 9:59 PM)...   Aug 15 2005, 11:07 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(medic @ Aug 16 2005, 12:07 AM)The U.S g...   Aug 15 2005, 11:09 PM
medic   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 15 2005, 10:09 PM)Your fig...   Aug 15 2005, 11:10 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(medic @ Aug 16 2005, 12:10 AM)Well I go...   Aug 15 2005, 11:13 PM
medic   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 15 2005, 10:13 PM)You did ...   Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM
sadolakced acid   they still wield a clout there. and thier billion...   Aug 15 2005, 11:19 PM
medic   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 15 2005, 10:19 PM...   Aug 15 2005, 11:35 PM
mipadi   So, medic, even by your own charts, China is still...   Aug 15 2005, 11:20 PM
medic   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 15 2005, 10:20 PM)So, medi...   Aug 15 2005, 11:30 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(medic @ Aug 16 2005, 12:30 AM)Actually,...   Aug 15 2005, 11:33 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ and the chinese government requires all governm...   Aug 15 2005, 11:38 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 16 2005, 12:38 AM...   Aug 15 2005, 11:39 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ yea i didn't understand that last part. may...   Aug 15 2005, 11:40 PM
RiC3xBoy   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 15 2005, 9:40 PM)...   Aug 16 2005, 12:10 AM
Retrogressive   QUOTE- Human rights. Ha. Womens rights. Ha ha. I r...   Aug 16 2005, 02:56 PM
not_your_average   This is not the China debate. If you are going to ...   Aug 16 2005, 03:05 PM


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