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is this suicide justified?, 85 year old man shoots himself |
Aug 4 2005, 06:39 PM
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An 85 year-old man committed suicide in my town last week. His wife died about 4 years ago from cancer. His daugher-in-law died 6 years ago from cancer. His son had a heart attack and died last week. His only living relatives were his only son's 2 children. They asked him to move near them so they could be closer together. They said they would build him a house near them in Philadelphia so they could take care of him.
After he buried his son, he took his dog to the kennel the next day, returned home, and shot himself. Was this man justified in doing this? Is this an overreaction to a difficult situation that he could have accepted over time? Was he placing his grandchildren under a more difficult situation because he was feeling sorry for himself? When his granddaughter found out, she almost miscarried her baby because she was so emotional. Doesn't the bible say suicide is a sin? (He was a Christian.) Because he didn't want to burden anyone and had lost everyone that he was close to, was his decision acceptable? Let's face it, the best years of his life were over and he has the right to decide when and how he should leave this earth. His actions should be respected. I'm having a hard time resolving this. Although I can respect his right to decide what he wants to do with his life, I also feel that his actions were somewhat selfish. What do you think? |
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Aug 5 2005, 04:21 PM
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why should others decide when i end my life?
it's my life. i should be able to decide exactly what i do with it (you know i don't mean murdering people here). "f**k everyone who says they love me, i don't care. i'm a rational person, and have come to the decision to end my life after weighing up the pros and cons. i have spent a substantial amount of time considering it, and feel it is the best option." yet you say i should not be able to do this? if i wanted to quit my job (i'm not supporting anyone with the job, just me) and live on a desert island alone and secluded from everybody else for the rest of my life, i wouldn't be stopped. why can't my lifestyle choice be not to have a lifestyle? |
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Aug 5 2005, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 5 2005, 5:21 PM) why should others decide when i end my life? it's my life. i should be able to decide exactly what i do with it (you know i don't mean murdering people here). "f**k everyone who says they love me, i don't care. i'm a rational person, and have come to the decision to end my life after weighing up the pros and cons. i have spent a substantial amount of time considering it, and feel it is the best option." yet you say i should not be able to do this? if i wanted to quit my job (i'm not supporting anyone with the job, just me) and live on a desert island alone and secluded from everybody else for the rest of my life, i wouldn't be stopped. why can't my lifestyle choice be not to have a lifestyle? Well, you could say the same thing about murdering someone... "f**k everyone who says they love him, i don't care. i'm a rational person, and have come to the decision to end his life after weighing up the pros and cons. i have spent a substantial amount of time considering it, and feel it is the best option." QUOTE What are you talking about? The fact that he did it is the inhernt justification. That does not imply or suggest an endorsement of his action as I said before. I didn't say it did, but what you ARE saying is that just because someone did something "inheritly justifies" it. |
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illumineering is this suicide justified? Aug 4 2005, 06:39 PM
sadolakced acid everyone has the right to kill themselves. Aug 4 2005, 06:59 PM
insomniac well....theres no law against someone trying to ki... Aug 4 2005, 07:03 PM
mipadi QUOTE(insomniac @ Aug 4 2005, 8:03 PM)well...... Aug 4 2005, 07:31 PM
Paradox of Life QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 4 2005, 6:31 PM)Actually, ... Aug 4 2005, 08:34 PM
sadolakced acid ^ the only reason religions make suicide wrong is ... Aug 4 2005, 07:08 PM
synkro weakling ;x Aug 4 2005, 07:12 PM
Spirited Away ^ he is 85. how many seniors that age are strong? ... Aug 4 2005, 07:13 PM
Paradox of Life Why would you be thinking about this? He's alr... Aug 4 2005, 07:18 PM
illumineering Isn't he bound by his Christian ideals to not ... Aug 4 2005, 07:24 PM
Paradox of Life He's dead now. Whatever God planned to happen ... Aug 4 2005, 07:26 PM
jadedseed He had the right to plan his death; there was noth... Aug 4 2005, 07:39 PM
Lo Mein people lose sight of hope easy
not to sound cruel ... Aug 4 2005, 07:58 PM
sadolakced acid who said he was christian? Aug 4 2005, 08:27 PM
illumineering QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 9:27 PM)w... Aug 4 2005, 09:00 PM
Shana_Kru Honestly i think its just a selfish act when you k... Aug 4 2005, 09:06 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 4 2005, 6:06 PM)Honestl... Aug 6 2005, 03:15 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 4 2005, 9:00 PM)I d... Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM
Shana_Kru QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM)... Aug 4 2005, 10:58 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 4 2005, 10:58 PM)ummm h... Aug 4 2005, 11:01 PM
Shana_Kru ^ you cant assume something that wasnt said thay m... Aug 4 2005, 11:03 PM
illumineering QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 5 2005, 12:03 AM)^ you ... Aug 5 2005, 12:06 AM
Olive QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 3:06 PM)The... Aug 5 2005, 02:20 AM
illumineering QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 3:20 AM)and if he g... Aug 5 2005, 02:41 AM
Olive QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 5:41 PM)If ... Aug 5 2005, 04:26 AM
illumineering QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 5:26 AM)Acutally, I... Aug 5 2005, 04:55 AM
Olive QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 7:55 PM)Whi... Aug 5 2005, 05:16 AM
illumineering QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 6:16 AM)It seems yo... Aug 5 2005, 05:30 AM
Olive it was a planned suicide? If he claimed all ... Aug 5 2005, 05:47 AM
lbjshaq2345 no suicide is justified Aug 5 2005, 02:23 AM
Shana_Kru like sum1 else said no suicide can be justified. h... Aug 5 2005, 02:43 AM
illumineering QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 5 2005, 3:43 AM)like su... Aug 5 2005, 03:21 AM
HiddenSmile QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 4:21 AM)I d... Aug 5 2005, 12:29 PM
illumineering QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 1:29 PM)O.K. ... Aug 5 2005, 03:18 PM
HiddenSmile QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 4:18 PM)The... Aug 5 2005, 04:05 PM

illumineering QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 5:05 PM)O.K. ... Aug 5 2005, 04:27 PM

zepfel QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:05 PM)O.K.... Aug 5 2005, 04:30 PM
HiddenSmile Whoops, double post, sorry. Aug 5 2005, 04:05 PM
zepfel i use the logic that if i ever wanted to commit su... Aug 5 2005, 05:58 AM
Olive zepfel, if your best friend held a gun in his head... Aug 5 2005, 06:37 AM
zepfel QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 12:37 PM)zepfel, if... Aug 5 2005, 09:48 AM
Paradox of Life Suicide is such a terrible thing because it hurts ... Aug 5 2005, 09:33 AM
Kristinaa Damn, if only Minority Report is true.
But anyway... Aug 5 2005, 11:17 AM
sadolakced acid good idea.
we should make suicide illegal. and p... Aug 5 2005, 01:53 PM
Kristinaa QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 5 2005, 1:53 PM)g... Aug 5 2005, 01:54 PM
illumineering QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 5:29 PM)Well,... Aug 5 2005, 04:40 PM
zepfel QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:29 PM)Well... Aug 5 2005, 04:41 PM
HiddenSmile QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 5 2005, 5:41 PM)but it... Aug 5 2005, 04:49 PM

zepfel QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:49 PM)Well... Aug 5 2005, 05:09 PM
Olive QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 6 2005, 12:48 AM)my best f... Aug 6 2005, 01:01 AM
zepfel QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 7:01 AM)That’s exag... Aug 6 2005, 01:45 PM

Olive QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 7 2005, 4:45 AM)no, i very... Aug 6 2005, 09:31 PM
Olive QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 4:01 PM)the keyword... Aug 16 2005, 07:10 AM
Skyline Drive QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 7:59 PM)e... Aug 5 2005, 04:32 PM
insomniac i think after all that happened to him, he had the... Aug 5 2005, 04:41 PM
sadolakced acid if killing yourself is murder,
then is mastrubati... Aug 5 2005, 11:13 PM
Paradox of Life Why does suicide have to be justified and why are ... Aug 6 2005, 07:52 AM
illumineering QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Aug 6 2005, 8:52 AM)Why does ... Aug 6 2005, 08:49 AM
sadolakced acid so let me get this straight. killing yourself is ... Aug 6 2005, 08:51 AM
illumineering QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 9:51 AM)n... Aug 6 2005, 09:00 AM
Olive QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 11:51 PM)... Aug 6 2005, 09:22 AM
HiddenSmile QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 10:22 AM)if it has ... Aug 6 2005, 10:19 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 9:22 AM)wtf? haha..... Aug 6 2005, 10:40 AM
sadolakced acid ^ sex brings about life.
the purpose of life is ... Aug 6 2005, 10:05 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 11:05 PM)... Aug 6 2005, 10:15 PM
Olive QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 7 2005, 1:05 PM)^... Aug 6 2005, 10:51 PM
illumineering QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 11:51 PM)Who made h... Aug 7 2005, 12:04 AM
Olive QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 7 2005, 3:04 PM)the... Aug 7 2005, 12:46 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 10:51 PM)Who made h... Aug 7 2005, 07:56 AM
Olive QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 7 2005, 10:56 PM)... Aug 8 2005, 12:47 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 8 2005, 12:47 AM)haha i don... Aug 8 2005, 10:40 PM
RiC3xBoy QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 7 2005, 10:47 PM)haha i don... Aug 15 2005, 01:12 AM
Olive QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Aug 15 2005, 4:12 PM)Wait, w... Aug 16 2005, 03:52 AM
RiC3xBoy QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 16 2005, 1:52 AM)Because he... Aug 16 2005, 12:35 PM
illumineering QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Aug 16 2005, 1:35 PM)Well si... Aug 16 2005, 02:15 PM
RiC3xBoy QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 12:15 PM)I... Aug 17 2005, 12:15 PM
x_signhere I believe in the freedom of choice. however, i als... Aug 8 2005, 08:45 AM
lovebabygonebad i mean i wouldn't justify the suicide part, bu... Aug 8 2005, 03:28 PM
Purplefender86 no he still had living loving family members and a... Aug 8 2005, 09:53 PM
CarbiNe i think it is justified and he does have a much be... Aug 8 2005, 09:57 PM
disco infiltrator Any suicide is justified. If people really want to... Aug 8 2005, 10:03 PM
disco infiltrator QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 8 2005, 10:03 PM)Any s... Aug 16 2005, 06:38 AM
disco infiltrator Well, the debate isn't about Christianity, it... Aug 16 2005, 07:28 AM
Olive QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 10:28 PM)Who ... Aug 16 2005, 07:47 AM
illumineering My intent is to examine the the circumstances surr... Aug 16 2005, 11:14 AM
disco infiltrator Well yes, but if Mr. John Smith from Nebraska kill... Aug 16 2005, 02:37 PM
illumineering QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 3:37 PM)Well ... Aug 16 2005, 02:54 PM
disco infiltrator I don't agree with religion, so I don't th... Aug 16 2005, 03:08 PM
illumineering QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 4:08 PM)I don... Aug 16 2005, 03:21 PM
disco infiltrator QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 3:21 PM)I ... Aug 17 2005, 11:24 AM
x3_mr_mak u cant just judge someone's actions by the sto... Aug 16 2005, 05:26 PM
illumineering QUOTE(x3_mr_mak @ Aug 16 2005, 6:26 PM)u cant... Aug 16 2005, 07:06 PM
sadolakced acid i think it should be considered selfish by his rel... Aug 16 2005, 09:26 PM
illumineering QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 16 2005, 10:26 PM... Aug 16 2005, 09:48 PM
xcaitlinx actually, i don't feel comfortable debating ab... Aug 16 2005, 09:59 PM
illumineering QUOTE(caytexo @ Aug 16 2005, 10:59 PM)actuall... Aug 16 2005, 10:49 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 9:48 PM)Th... Aug 16 2005, 10:28 PM
oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo I dont think its right that he killed him. he coul... Aug 17 2005, 12:18 PM![]() ![]() |