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is this suicide justified?, 85 year old man shoots himself
illumineering
post Aug 4 2005, 06:39 PM
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An 85 year-old man committed suicide in my town last week. His wife died about 4 years ago from cancer. His daugher-in-law died 6 years ago from cancer. His son had a heart attack and died last week. His only living relatives were his only son's 2 children. They asked him to move near them so they could be closer together. They said they would build him a house near them in Philadelphia so they could take care of him.

After he buried his son, he took his dog to the kennel the next day, returned home, and shot himself.

Was this man justified in doing this? Is this an overreaction to a difficult situation that he could have accepted over time? Was he placing his grandchildren under a more difficult situation because he was feeling sorry for himself? When his granddaughter found out, she almost miscarried her baby because she was so emotional. Doesn't the bible say suicide is a sin? (He was a Christian.)

Because he didn't want to burden anyone and had lost everyone that he was close to, was his decision acceptable? Let's face it, the best years of his life were over and he has the right to decide when and how he should leave this earth. His actions should be respected.

I'm having a hard time resolving this. Although I can respect his right to decide what he wants to do with his life, I also feel that his actions were somewhat selfish.

What do you think?
 
 
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post Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 4 2005, 9:00 PM)
I did.  He was a Baptist.
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QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 4 2005, 9:06 PM)
Honestly i think its just a selfish act when you kill your self your just thinking about your self and not how its going to effect anyone else.
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who, might i ask, would it have affected negitivley?
 
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post Aug 4 2005, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM)
who, might i ask, would it have affected negitivley?
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ummm he sed that sum1 had a miscarraige from the stress...and his grandsons wud hav bin upset an its not like they were horrible and didnt love him they asked him to move closer...
 

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illumineering   is this suicide justified?   Aug 4 2005, 06:39 PM
sadolakced acid   everyone has the right to kill themselves.   Aug 4 2005, 06:59 PM
insomniac   well....theres no law against someone trying to ki...   Aug 4 2005, 07:03 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(insomniac @ Aug 4 2005, 8:03 PM)well......   Aug 4 2005, 07:31 PM
Paradox of Life   QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 4 2005, 6:31 PM)Actually, ...   Aug 4 2005, 08:34 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ the only reason religions make suicide wrong is ...   Aug 4 2005, 07:08 PM
synkro   weakling ;x   Aug 4 2005, 07:12 PM
Spirited Away   ^ he is 85. how many seniors that age are strong? ...   Aug 4 2005, 07:13 PM
Paradox of Life   Why would you be thinking about this? He's alr...   Aug 4 2005, 07:18 PM
illumineering   Isn't he bound by his Christian ideals to not ...   Aug 4 2005, 07:24 PM
Paradox of Life   He's dead now. Whatever God planned to happen ...   Aug 4 2005, 07:26 PM
jadedseed   He had the right to plan his death; there was noth...   Aug 4 2005, 07:39 PM
Lo Mein   people lose sight of hope easy not to sound cruel ...   Aug 4 2005, 07:58 PM
sadolakced acid   who said he was christian?   Aug 4 2005, 08:27 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 9:27 PM)w...   Aug 4 2005, 09:00 PM
Shana_Kru   Honestly i think its just a selfish act when you k...   Aug 4 2005, 09:06 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 4 2005, 6:06 PM)Honestl...   Aug 6 2005, 03:15 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 4 2005, 9:00 PM)I d...   Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM
Shana_Kru   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 10:56 PM)...   Aug 4 2005, 10:58 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 4 2005, 10:58 PM)ummm h...   Aug 4 2005, 11:01 PM
Shana_Kru   ^ you cant assume something that wasnt said thay m...   Aug 4 2005, 11:03 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 5 2005, 12:03 AM)^ you ...   Aug 5 2005, 12:06 AM
Olive   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 3:06 PM)The...   Aug 5 2005, 02:20 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 3:20 AM)and if he g...   Aug 5 2005, 02:41 AM
Olive   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 5:41 PM)If ...   Aug 5 2005, 04:26 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 5:26 AM)Acutally, I...   Aug 5 2005, 04:55 AM
Olive   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 7:55 PM)Whi...   Aug 5 2005, 05:16 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 6:16 AM)It seems yo...   Aug 5 2005, 05:30 AM
Olive   it was a planned suicide? If he claimed all ...   Aug 5 2005, 05:47 AM
lbjshaq2345   no suicide is justified   Aug 5 2005, 02:23 AM
Shana_Kru   like sum1 else said no suicide can be justified. h...   Aug 5 2005, 02:43 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(Shana_Kru @ Aug 5 2005, 3:43 AM)like su...   Aug 5 2005, 03:21 AM
HiddenSmile   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 4:21 AM)I d...   Aug 5 2005, 12:29 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 1:29 PM)O.K. ...   Aug 5 2005, 03:18 PM
HiddenSmile   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 5 2005, 4:18 PM)The...   Aug 5 2005, 04:05 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 5:05 PM)O.K. ...   Aug 5 2005, 04:27 PM
zepfel   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:05 PM)O.K....   Aug 5 2005, 04:30 PM
HiddenSmile   Whoops, double post, sorry.   Aug 5 2005, 04:05 PM
zepfel   i use the logic that if i ever wanted to commit su...   Aug 5 2005, 05:58 AM
Olive   zepfel, if your best friend held a gun in his head...   Aug 5 2005, 06:37 AM
zepfel   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 5 2005, 12:37 PM)zepfel, if...   Aug 5 2005, 09:48 AM
Paradox of Life   Suicide is such a terrible thing because it hurts ...   Aug 5 2005, 09:33 AM
Kristinaa   Damn, if only Minority Report is true. But anyway...   Aug 5 2005, 11:17 AM
sadolakced acid   good idea. we should make suicide illegal. and p...   Aug 5 2005, 01:53 PM
Kristinaa   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 5 2005, 1:53 PM)g...   Aug 5 2005, 01:54 PM
zepfel   why should others decide when i end my life? it...   Aug 5 2005, 04:21 PM
HiddenSmile   QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 5 2005, 5:21 PM)why should...   Aug 5 2005, 04:29 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 5:29 PM)Well,...   Aug 5 2005, 04:40 PM
zepfel   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:29 PM)Well...   Aug 5 2005, 04:41 PM
HiddenSmile   QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 5 2005, 5:41 PM)but it...   Aug 5 2005, 04:49 PM
zepfel   QUOTE(HiddenSmile @ Aug 5 2005, 10:49 PM)Well...   Aug 5 2005, 05:09 PM
Olive   QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 6 2005, 12:48 AM)my best f...   Aug 6 2005, 01:01 AM
zepfel   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 7:01 AM)That’s exag...   Aug 6 2005, 01:45 PM
Olive   QUOTE(zepfel @ Aug 7 2005, 4:45 AM)no, i very...   Aug 6 2005, 09:31 PM
Olive   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 4:01 PM)the keyword...   Aug 16 2005, 07:10 AM
Skyline Drive   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 4 2005, 7:59 PM)e...   Aug 5 2005, 04:32 PM
insomniac   i think after all that happened to him, he had the...   Aug 5 2005, 04:41 PM
sadolakced acid   if killing yourself is murder, then is mastrubati...   Aug 5 2005, 11:13 PM
Paradox of Life   Why does suicide have to be justified and why are ...   Aug 6 2005, 07:52 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Aug 6 2005, 8:52 AM)Why does ...   Aug 6 2005, 08:49 AM
sadolakced acid   so let me get this straight. killing yourself is ...   Aug 6 2005, 08:51 AM
illumineering   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 9:51 AM)n...   Aug 6 2005, 09:00 AM
Olive   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 11:51 PM)...   Aug 6 2005, 09:22 AM
HiddenSmile   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 10:22 AM)if it has ...   Aug 6 2005, 10:19 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 9:22 AM)wtf? haha.....   Aug 6 2005, 10:40 AM
sadolakced acid   ^ sex brings about life. the purpose of life is ...   Aug 6 2005, 10:05 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 6 2005, 11:05 PM)...   Aug 6 2005, 10:15 PM
Olive   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 7 2005, 1:05 PM)^...   Aug 6 2005, 10:51 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 11:51 PM)Who made h...   Aug 7 2005, 12:04 AM
Olive   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 7 2005, 3:04 PM)the...   Aug 7 2005, 12:46 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 6 2005, 10:51 PM)Who made h...   Aug 7 2005, 07:56 AM
Olive   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 7 2005, 10:56 PM)...   Aug 8 2005, 12:47 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 8 2005, 12:47 AM)haha i don...   Aug 8 2005, 10:40 PM
RiC3xBoy   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 7 2005, 10:47 PM)haha i don...   Aug 15 2005, 01:12 AM
Olive   QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Aug 15 2005, 4:12 PM)Wait, w...   Aug 16 2005, 03:52 AM
RiC3xBoy   QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 16 2005, 1:52 AM)Because he...   Aug 16 2005, 12:35 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Aug 16 2005, 1:35 PM)Well si...   Aug 16 2005, 02:15 PM
RiC3xBoy   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 12:15 PM)I...   Aug 17 2005, 12:15 PM
x_signhere   I believe in the freedom of choice. however, i als...   Aug 8 2005, 08:45 AM
lovebabygonebad   i mean i wouldn't justify the suicide part, bu...   Aug 8 2005, 03:28 PM
Purplefender86   no he still had living loving family members and a...   Aug 8 2005, 09:53 PM
CarbiNe   i think it is justified and he does have a much be...   Aug 8 2005, 09:57 PM
disco infiltrator   Any suicide is justified. If people really want to...   Aug 8 2005, 10:03 PM
disco infiltrator   QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 8 2005, 10:03 PM)Any s...   Aug 16 2005, 06:38 AM
disco infiltrator   Well, the debate isn't about Christianity, it...   Aug 16 2005, 07:28 AM
Olive   QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 10:28 PM)Who ...   Aug 16 2005, 07:47 AM
illumineering   My intent is to examine the the circumstances surr...   Aug 16 2005, 11:14 AM
disco infiltrator   Well yes, but if Mr. John Smith from Nebraska kill...   Aug 16 2005, 02:37 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 3:37 PM)Well ...   Aug 16 2005, 02:54 PM
disco infiltrator   I don't agree with religion, so I don't th...   Aug 16 2005, 03:08 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 16 2005, 4:08 PM)I don...   Aug 16 2005, 03:21 PM
disco infiltrator   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 3:21 PM)I ...   Aug 17 2005, 11:24 AM
x3_mr_mak   u cant just judge someone's actions by the sto...   Aug 16 2005, 05:26 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(x3_mr_mak @ Aug 16 2005, 6:26 PM)u cant...   Aug 16 2005, 07:06 PM
sadolakced acid   i think it should be considered selfish by his rel...   Aug 16 2005, 09:26 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 16 2005, 10:26 PM...   Aug 16 2005, 09:48 PM
xcaitlinx   actually, i don't feel comfortable debating ab...   Aug 16 2005, 09:59 PM
illumineering   QUOTE(caytexo @ Aug 16 2005, 10:59 PM)actuall...   Aug 16 2005, 10:49 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(illumineering @ Aug 16 2005, 9:48 PM)Th...   Aug 16 2005, 10:28 PM
oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo   I dont think its right that he killed him. he coul...   Aug 17 2005, 12:18 PM
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