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Electoral college, should it be eliminated? |
Nov 7 2004, 12:47 AM
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dripping destruction ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
Should the electoral college be eliminated?
with it, a person could loose every state by 1 vote except california, and win california by a landslide and then loose the race. with it, democrats in red states feel thier vote doesn't count, and republicans in blue states feel thier vote doesn't count. if the electoral college were to be eliminated, then everyone's vote would count. |
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Jun 15 2005, 01:40 PM
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WWMD?! - i am from the age of BM 2 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 5,308 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,848 |
^ but what is the real benefit of it? it doesn't really serve much purpose anymore.
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Jun 15 2005, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 15 2005, 12:40 PM) Oh, contraire. It serves a very useful purpose. 1) If you look at the way the 538 electoral votes are split up, California leads the pack with 55 electoral votes, and states like North Dakota and Wyoming bring up the rear with just three. That gives you a 3:55 ratio, which equates to ND having 5% of the Electoral influence that CA has. When it comes to population, CA was estimated at 35,484,453 in 2003, whereas ND weighed in at only 633,837, which isn't even half the size of over a dozen of California's cities. Now, if only the popular vote was factored into an election, North Dakota's influence would be just 1.7% of California's. When you look at it this way, I'd say that the Electoral College gives states like North Dakota and Wyoming a much louder voice come election time. 2) It serves as the voice of the people. Only in two states (Nebraska and Maine, Nebraska: 5 electoral votes, Maine: 4 electoral votes) can the Electors split their votes. Hence, in 49 of the 51 U.S. territories, the people are represented exactly how they vote. The Electors are: a) More qualified in making a leadership decision. b) Elected by you. c) Voting according to how you vote. When you look at how these two scenarios factor into an election, it should be obvious that the Electoral College still holds valuable influence in choosing the commander-in-chief. |
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| *mipadi* |
Jun 15 2005, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 15 2005, 9:44 PM) a) More qualified in making a leadership decision. b) Elected by you. c) Voting according to how you vote. How do you figure they're more qualified? First of all, anyone can be equally informed about politics today; it's not like in the 18th and 19th centuries, when many people didn't even know their candidates. Secondly, with pledged electors, electors generally vote for their party's candidate, not necessarily who they feel is the best candidate. |
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sadolakced acid Electoral college Nov 7 2004, 12:47 AM
pandamonium hmm thats a good thought .. there were a lot of pe... Nov 7 2004, 12:53 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(pandamonium @ Nov 7 2004, 12:53 AM)hmm ... Nov 7 2004, 09:50 AM
ComradeRed The point of the electoral vote is to protect the ... Nov 7 2004, 09:56 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Nov 7 2004, 9:56 AM)The po... Nov 7 2004, 10:01 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 7 2004, 10:01 AM)This w... Nov 7 2004, 11:36 AM
sadolakced acid how would they campain only in big cities? they... Nov 7 2004, 01:25 PM
sikdragon There wasnt a name switch but a support switch. Th... Nov 7 2004, 01:33 PM
pandamonium QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 7 2004, 9:50 AM)You rea... Nov 7 2004, 01:56 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 7 2004, 1:25 PM)h... Nov 7 2004, 02:06 PM
anger_is_my_friend well i still think it's unfair for a republica... Nov 7 2004, 03:32 PM
kryogenix I wonder what minimum GPA you need to get into ele... Nov 7 2004, 03:47 PM
gerundio Thank God for the electoral college.
Like the Dai... Nov 7 2004, 04:18 PM
sadolakced acid do you know why the founding fathers created the e... Nov 7 2004, 04:57 PM
ComradeRed The electoral college was created to protect inter... Nov 7 2004, 05:18 PM
waccoon QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 7 2004, 4:57 PM)d... Nov 7 2004, 05:25 PM
sadolakced acid APUSH, people.
the electoral college was creat... Nov 7 2004, 06:48 PM
ComradeRed So why, then, did they proportionally give MORE vo... Nov 7 2004, 06:51 PM
sadolakced acid because they didn't think it out clearly.
i... Nov 7 2004, 07:08 PM
gerundio QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 7 2004, 7:08 PM)i... Nov 7 2004, 07:28 PM
picaso_smile If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Nov 16 2004, 07:06 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(gerundio @ Nov 7 2004, 7:28 PM)Very tru... Nov 16 2004, 07:08 PM
Kriegsgefangene Man.. our 'Democracy' rocks my socks.
W... Dec 11 2004, 11:19 PM
Kriegsgefangene QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Nov 7 2004, 6:48 PM)A... Dec 11 2004, 11:21 PM
Sumiaki Electoral college is fine. It gives all states equ... Dec 11 2004, 11:30 PM
simx QUOTE(Sumiaki @ Dec 11 2004, 11:30 PM)Elector... Jun 14 2005, 11:09 PM
aznxdreamer yes. i dont see the point of electoral colleges. t... Dec 14 2004, 06:22 PM
luvnspecialsaus I say yes.
The electoral college was originally c... Dec 16 2004, 04:40 PM
mipadi QUOTE(luvnspecialsaus @ Dec 16 2004, 5:40 PM)... Jun 13 2005, 04:06 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 13 2005, 4:06 PM)That... Jun 13 2005, 11:20 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2005, 12:20 AM... Jun 13 2005, 11:43 PM
sammi rules you i do think the electoral college should be elimina... Jun 14 2005, 11:01 AM
sadolakced acid i have only spent 3 days of my life in a blue stat... Jun 14 2005, 12:29 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2005, 1:29 PM)... Jun 14 2005, 12:33 PM
sammi rules you i feel your pain justin!
i spent years 0-6 of ... Jun 14 2005, 01:15 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 15 2005, 8:44 PM)... Jun 15 2005, 10:05 PM

CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2005, 9:05 PM)... Jun 15 2005, 10:27 PM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 15 2005, 10:00 PM)How do y... Jun 15 2005, 11:09 PM
mipadi QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 16 2005, 12:09 AM... Jun 15 2005, 11:15 PM
sadolakced acid the point of the electoral college is the founding... Jun 15 2005, 02:15 PM
mipadi It's not so much that they weren't smart e... Jun 15 2005, 02:20 PM
mona lisa It's not very representative. A state like New... Jun 15 2005, 07:32 PM
lbjshaq2345 i dont rly care bout politics Jun 15 2005, 10:31 PM
CrackedRearView Okay excuse me, I guess I forgot to mention the .0... Jun 15 2005, 11:20 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 15 2005, 10:27 PM... Jun 15 2005, 11:46 PM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2005, 10:46 PM... Jun 16 2005, 03:32 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 16 2005, 3:32 PM)... Jun 16 2005, 09:45 PM
sammi rules you QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 16 2005, 2:32 PM)... Jun 18 2005, 03:50 PM
TaintedDesires Without the electoral college, whoever is more pop... Jun 16 2005, 01:43 PM
mipadi QUOTE(TaintedDesires @ Jun 16 2005, 2:43 PM)W... Jun 16 2005, 10:13 PM
sikdragon Dont reply until you've read everything comrad... Jun 18 2005, 06:31 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 18 2005, 6:31 AM)Dont r... Jun 18 2005, 12:45 PM
not_your_average Pfft, yeah it should be eliminated. It's compl... Jun 18 2005, 03:00 PM
CrackedRearView You're still mistaken if you think the Elector... Jun 18 2005, 08:49 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 18 2005, 8:49 PM)... Jun 18 2005, 09:30 PM
CrackedRearView That would defeat the whole purpose.
There will a... Jun 19 2005, 09:41 PM
not_your_average QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 19 2005, 9:41 PM)... Jun 19 2005, 10:29 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 19 2005, 9:41 PM)... Jun 19 2005, 10:43 PM
darinmoore I didn't read any of the comments posted befor... Jun 20 2005, 05:29 PM
not_your_average ^ The electoral college is what caused the 2000 el... Jun 20 2005, 08:02 PM
darinmoore QUOTE(not_your_average @ Jun 20 2005, 8:02 PM... Jun 21 2005, 05:57 PM
sikdragon Our democracy is not just about majority rules. Th... Jun 20 2005, 11:20 PM
tofuburger i think it should be eliminated..it alters the vot... Jun 20 2005, 11:26 PM
sadolakced acid wait wait wait...
how is appealing to LA and NYC ... Jun 21 2005, 12:36 AM
sikdragon what's the percentage of voter turn out? if yo... Jun 21 2005, 12:39 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 21 2005, 12:39 AM)what... Jun 21 2005, 12:40 AM
sikdragon Keyword might and even then it wouldnt be a fair e... Jun 21 2005, 12:48 AM
sadolakced acid not really in my state. my state was red territor... Jun 21 2005, 12:52 AM
sikdragon There is a popular vote as well. Your vote does co... Jun 21 2005, 12:55 AM
sadolakced acid which doesn't count worth shit. Jun 21 2005, 12:56 AM
sikdragon sorry Jun 21 2005, 12:56 AM
sikdragon If it didnt, how did your state turn red? Jun 21 2005, 12:57 AM
sadolakced acid ehh. i should have said showed up as red.
it... Jun 21 2005, 01:02 AM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 21 2005, 12:02 AM... Jun 21 2005, 12:58 PM
sikdragon more than half is majority, you just contradicted ... Jun 21 2005, 01:03 AM
sadolakced acid ^ what?
(i'm not sure what you're referin... Jun 21 2005, 01:19 AM
sadolakced acid if my party wins, my vote doesn't matter eithe... Jun 21 2005, 01:22 PM
sammi rules you exactly, if i voted republican in california or so... Jun 21 2005, 04:14 PM
sikdragon Your vote doesnt matter because you're the min... Jun 21 2005, 06:30 PM
CrackedRearView Even so, you cannot argue that the Electoral Colle... Jun 21 2005, 07:32 PM
sammi rules you QUOTELook at it this way, if the Electoral College... Jun 21 2005, 11:17 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 21 2005, 7:32 PM)... Jun 21 2005, 11:41 PM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 21 2005, 10:41 PM... Jun 22 2005, 02:10 AM
sadolakced acid i seriously doubt it that each candidate would onl... Jun 22 2005, 02:27 AM
CrackedRearView So you think the Popular vote is worthless? Becau... Jun 22 2005, 12:54 PM
mocassinsx29 ^ People protested yeah, but what happened in effe... Jun 22 2005, 05:58 PM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(mocassinsx29 @ Jun 22 2005, 4:58 PM)^ P... Jun 22 2005, 11:13 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 22 2005, 11:13 PM... Jun 23 2005, 12:28 AM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 22 2005, 11:28 PM... Jun 23 2005, 07:18 PM
mipadi QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 23 2005, 8:18 PM)... Jun 24 2005, 09:25 AM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 24 2005, 8:25 AM)In the en... Jun 24 2005, 04:40 PM
sikdragon QUOTETHE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS IMPORTANT
By Bob Wa... Jun 23 2005, 01:42 AM
sammi rules you *sigh* i hate breaking down posts..
QUOTEIn the c... Jun 23 2005, 06:25 AM
sadolakced acid just becasue liberals are pissed bush got elected ... Jun 24 2005, 12:23 AM
CrackedRearView QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 23 2005, 11:23 PM... Jun 24 2005, 01:57 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 24 2005, 1:57 AM)... Jun 24 2005, 02:21 AM
CrackedRearView That would take some serious amending, none of whi... Jun 24 2005, 02:25 AM![]() ![]() |