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The Bible?, historical acocunt or a political agenda
sadolakced acid
post Jun 10 2005, 12:11 AM
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we all know this book. we've at least seen it in hotel rooms. this is the book with tissue-thin pages, the book that was first printed. this is a book that people rally to.

and it is a political agenda.

in the early years of christianity, there were many, many sects that called themselves chistian. one sect decided they were the real christians, and condemned the rest as false sects.

this sect evolved into the church. In order to make all other sects wrong, they edited the bible. they threw out the parts they didn't like, added parts they liked. The bible is a manual for how to live your life- so, why not add in a bit about who you should give money to?

over the years, the bible evolved as it's editors saw fit. It was changed, in the case of the king james bible, to help conquer ireland.

It was rewritten to support values the political leaders wanted supported.

want a reason to allow slavery? put in a bit about cain and able.

want to be able to get precious farmlands in the middle east? put in a bit about that being the holy land.

the bible, it seems, is nothing more than a written propoganda tool; too far edited from it's original text to be considered anything more than a pamplet that's designed, not to ensure truth of history, and that all sides are protrayed, but to get the godless heathens to convert to christianity.


now; you can either flame me and tell me how i couldn't understand, and cite bible quotes and give me something to laugh at,
or you can prove me wrong with a bit of rational debate.

i'd enjoy it emmensly more if you'd pick the first one, although the second is nice.

have a nice day!
 
 
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sammi rules you
post Jun 10 2005, 01:24 PM
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if you read different versions of the bible, there are things different about it. some include things against womens' rights and the lot, and more recent versions don't.

if there were no changes, why are there so many versions?
 
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post Jun 13 2005, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 10 2005, 1:24 PM)
if you read different versions of the bible, there are things different about it. some include things against womens' rights and the lot, and more recent versions don't.

if there were no changes, why are there so many versions?
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the reason there have been different wersions of the bible are for mamny reasons
1. the greek expersions for some things are very hard to translate and can be translated in many different ways; here's my favorite example:

In the Greek to say that you deeply cared about something, you would say something to the affect that it makes their bowels move...

hehe ... to translate this literally would make no sense to the American and/or English reader so instead it would be translate as:

i love he/she/it from the bottom of my heart( or with all my heart)

2. one word has several different meanings depending of context

many of you know that in english, one word can have so many different meanings. in the greek and hebrew this is very true.

that's all i can think of right now when i think of more i'll get back to you

o and one more thing...
in order to go to heaven, a person must wholeheartedly believe in Jesus Christ as his/hjer Lord and Savior and believe that he is God and died on the cross to sve them from themselves and their sin. someone can claim they are a christian, but really never be. the buman heart is decietful. someone can fool him/herself into anything, including the fact that they believe they are a chritian, bu they are not. Only God knows people's hearts, but a person can also really be a Christian and believe that they are not ( as i said before the heart is wicked). Most people however know that they are christians by what their heart's desire really is.

the pyscho can claim is a chrsitian, hitler can claim he is a christian, but if it is not shown in their life that they live how God wants them to live - which is a pure and holy life( which is impossible without Him) - they cannot be a christian. so that means that by this definition, a christian cannot be someone who murders others and never wholeheartedly repents. this person may be sorry, but if they are sorry beacuse they got caught then that is not true repentance. Repentance is being truly sorry because they have done something horrible not only against their fellow man, but most importantly against God.

It may seem harsh that God doesn't let those who don't believe in Him and His son into heaven, but God doesn't have to answer to us. Why should a artist answer to the pot? God created us and we have sinned against Him from birth. Like our parents, he has to punish us for what we have done wrong.
 

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sadolakced acid   The Bible?   Jun 10 2005, 12:11 AM
Spirited Away   Let me laugh at you first... HAHAHAHHAHA another o...   Jun 10 2005, 12:33 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 10 2005, 12:33 AM)L...   Jun 10 2005, 12:55 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 10 2005, 12:55 AM...   Jun 10 2005, 12:59 AM
BrandonSaunders   Just for the sake of debate and out of sheer bored...   Jun 10 2005, 02:03 AM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jun 10 2005, 2:03 AM)...   Jun 10 2005, 04:32 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(caytexo @ Jun 10 2005, 3:32 PM)first of...   Jun 11 2005, 01:34 AM
sammi rules you   i find it pretty sad that we have to be reduced to...   Jun 10 2005, 12:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 10 2005, 12:01 PM...   Jun 10 2005, 01:12 PM
sammi rules you   if you read different versions of the bible, there...   Jun 10 2005, 01:24 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 10 2005, 1:24 PM)...   Jun 10 2005, 03:41 PM
baller30   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 10 2005, 1:24 PM)...   Jun 13 2005, 07:33 PM
Spirited Away   Ah, okay I give up. You win. Okay, wait, I...   Jun 10 2005, 01:36 PM
sammi rules you   sweeeeet!!! i beat fae!...for the ...   Jun 10 2005, 01:48 PM
karrar   This is another reason muslims praise there koran ...   Jun 10 2005, 01:49 PM
not_for_anything   Yes but there are original manuscripts. It was Con...   Jun 10 2005, 04:14 PM
sadolakced acid   like the details that people used to justify slave...   Jun 10 2005, 04:23 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(caytexo @ Jun 10 2005, 4:32 PM)first of...   Jun 10 2005, 05:28 PM
xcaitlinx   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Jun 10 2005, 5:28 PM)Sounds...   Jun 10 2005, 07:02 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(caytexo @ Jun 10 2005, 7:02 PM)not real...   Jun 10 2005, 08:35 PM
sammi rules you   and the christians you've met probably haven...   Jun 10 2005, 10:37 PM
sadolakced acid   religion is trendy, christianity most of all. tee...   Jun 11 2005, 01:52 AM
xcaitlinx   Christianity HAS become trendy, because a helluva ...   Jun 11 2005, 10:17 AM
suddenly she   QUOTE(caytexo @ Jun 11 2005, 11:17 AM)Christi...   Jun 11 2005, 02:41 PM
sadolakced acid   aye, there are separate branches of chrisitanity...   Jun 11 2005, 03:04 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 11 2005, 2:04 PM)...   Jun 11 2005, 10:24 PM
ghetosmurph   Which gets into the Catholic Church and the Protos...   Jun 11 2005, 09:28 PM
gotblog4me?   I'm with ghetosmurph, again!, we're wo...   Jun 11 2005, 11:00 PM
sammi rules you   ^ well that's just swell! QUOTEjust so we...   Jun 11 2005, 11:16 PM
BrandonSaunders   You can be devout in your faith and not agree with...   Jun 11 2005, 11:27 PM
sadolakced acid   the 10 people! becuase they weren't chris...   Jun 12 2005, 12:04 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 11 2005, 11:04 PM...   Jun 12 2005, 10:09 AM
suddenly she   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2005, 1:04 AM)...   Jun 12 2005, 05:05 PM
sammi rules you   so...anyone who's not christian..even though t...   Jun 12 2005, 05:12 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 12 2005, 6:12 PM)...   Jun 13 2005, 02:24 PM
crayonzUpMyNose   i think it was just a bunch of stories people made...   Jun 12 2005, 08:47 PM
sadolakced acid   ghandi goes to hell? darwin goes to hell? galeli...   Jun 12 2005, 09:22 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2005, 8:22 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 10:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2005, 9:22 PM)...   Jun 16 2005, 03:24 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 16 2005, 4:24 PM)I don...   Jun 16 2005, 05:22 PM
BrandonSaunders   baller30, You are viewing this from your own pers...   Jun 13 2005, 07:47 PM
baller30   i totally understnad what you are saying people ju...   Jun 13 2005, 07:54 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(baller30 @ Jun 13 2005, 6:54 PM)the pro...   Jun 13 2005, 08:07 PM
sadolakced acid   ehh. i have had the chance to become christian....   Jun 13 2005, 09:40 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 16 2005, 3:24 PM)I don...   Jun 16 2005, 09:43 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 16 2005, 10:43 PM...   Jun 16 2005, 11:27 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(suddenly she @ Jun 16 2005, 11:27 PM)he...   Jun 17 2005, 10:10 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 17 2005, 11:10 PM...   Jun 18 2005, 03:26 PM
_suzie_   some of you are makin it out to sound like the mur...   Jun 17 2005, 10:50 AM
suddenly she   QUOTE(_suzie_ @ Jun 17 2005, 11:50 AM)some of...   Jun 17 2005, 06:25 PM
sikdragon   Hitler commited suicide, so no as far as we know. ...   Jun 18 2005, 06:23 AM
sadolakced acid   ^ read the whole debate.   Jun 18 2005, 01:02 PM
sammi rules you   and i would go to hell, since i'm atheist? we...   Jun 18 2005, 03:34 PM
suddenly she   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 18 2005, 4:34 PM)...   Jun 18 2005, 05:36 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(suddenly she @ Jun 18 2005, 5:36 PM)wha...   Jun 18 2005, 06:46 PM
pink_p0lo   ^^ iagree with the above post... QUOTE(touch my m...   Jun 18 2005, 06:37 PM
pink_p0lo   big..but why would it matter anyway?? btw,yeah, i...   Jun 18 2005, 07:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pink_p0lo @ Jun 18 2005, 7:07 PM)big..b...   Jun 18 2005, 07:15 PM
pink_p0lo   big enough to hold two of every kind of animal. ...   Jun 18 2005, 07:39 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(pink_p0lo @ Jun 18 2005, 6:37 PM)althou...   Jun 18 2005, 07:50 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pink_p0lo @ Jun 18 2005, 7:39 PM)big en...   Jun 18 2005, 09:09 PM
kryogenix   so, exactly what was taken out of the bible that y...   Jun 18 2005, 07:47 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(pink_p0lo @ Jun 18 2005, 6:37 PM)althou...   Jun 18 2005, 09:21 PM
lbjshaq2345   dude not even gonna go thare   Jun 18 2005, 09:23 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(lbjshaq2345 @ Jun 18 2005, 9:23 PM)dude...   Jun 18 2005, 09:30 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(lbjshaq2345 @ Jun 18 2005, 8:23 PM)dude...   Jun 19 2005, 02:41 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jun 19 2005, 2:41 AM)...   Jun 19 2005, 09:51 AM
BrandonSaunders   Ahh, good morning, Fae? How are you today? QUOTE(...   Jun 19 2005, 09:54 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jun 19 2005, 9:54 AM)...   Jun 19 2005, 09:59 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 19 2005, 8:59 AM)Un...   Jun 19 2005, 04:21 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTEbig enough to hold two of every kind of anima...   Jun 19 2005, 11:24 AM
_suzie_   ''isn't part of god's morals to re...   Jun 19 2005, 01:28 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(_suzie_ @ Jun 19 2005, 1:28 PM)nicely p...   Jun 19 2005, 10:50 PM
sikdragon   I did read it and i had some very valid points.   Jun 19 2005, 11:29 PM
suddenly she   ah... you guys. when we compare bibles, let's ...   Jun 20 2005, 12:11 AM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   I just read the entire thread, and hopefully I...   Jun 20 2005, 09:39 AM
kryogenix   This Week's Gospel: Matthew 10:26-33 Now ver...   Jun 20 2005, 08:17 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 20 2005, 8:17 PM)This W...   Jun 20 2005, 11:15 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ what was the point of that? it's a stupid b...   Jun 20 2005, 08:19 PM
sikdragon   He's giving referrance to what i said earlier....   Jun 20 2005, 10:55 PM
sikdragon   i'm not talking about you disbelieving it fae....   Jun 20 2005, 11:33 PM
Spirited Away   I know I said good night, but darn it I was checki...   Jun 20 2005, 11:43 PM
sikdragon   When you love someone the natural reaction is to w...   Jun 20 2005, 11:51 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 20 2005, 11:51 PM)a not...   Jun 21 2005, 12:07 AM
sammi rules you   i really hope you weren't suggesting that just...   Jun 20 2005, 11:58 PM
sikdragon   before christianity there was judaism before relig...   Jun 21 2005, 12:03 AM
sammi rules you   haha i thought justin posted above you. nevermind....   Jun 21 2005, 12:05 AM
sikdragon   Going to church or christian school doesnt make yo...   Jun 21 2005, 12:08 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 21 2005, 12:08 AM)Going...   Jun 21 2005, 12:09 AM
sammi rules you   but it makes you experience it, something you said...   Jun 21 2005, 12:09 AM
sikdragon   no it doesnt. You cant fully understand something ...   Jun 21 2005, 12:11 AM
sadolakced acid   what haven't i experienced?   Jun 21 2005, 12:13 AM
sikdragon   God.   Jun 21 2005, 12:14 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 21 2005, 12:14 AM)God. ...   Jun 21 2005, 12:14 AM
sikdragon   the bible is God's word. The bible is how to r...   Jun 21 2005, 12:17 AM
cookieskater2   *sigh* I'm a strong christian, and some of th...   Jun 21 2005, 12:18 AM
sikdragon   QUOTE*sigh* I'm a strong christian, and some ...   Jun 21 2005, 12:19 AM
cookieskater2   But you are supposed to point out the obvious wron...   Jun 21 2005, 12:22 AM
sikdragon   You don't help anyone by forcing your hand.   Jun 21 2005, 12:23 AM
cookieskater2   I didn't force anything.   Jun 21 2005, 12:24 AM
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