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smile4me
post Jun 1 2005, 04:16 PM
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do you support stem-cell researching? why or why not?
should federal funding be given to these researchers?
do you support embryonic or adult stem cells (or both)?
 
 
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ghetosmurph
post Jun 11 2005, 09:04 PM
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There are many tales of the medical miracles ESCs will allegedly bring us: cures for Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes, you name it. Most people dont really have any idea what ESC research is. And as a rule, they don't mention possible alternatives—namely, so-called adult stem cells (ASCs), which are obtained without the ethical conflicts of harvesting human embryos.

The mainstream media are doing a lousy job of informing the public on the state of stem-cell science. By and large, they're telling people all about the potential of ESCs—especially the supposed ability to become any type of cell—without talking about certain little drawbacks, like a tendency for ESCs to be rejected and even to become cancerous.

More importantly, the media aren't telling people how much more advanced ASC research is, or how rapidly it's making breakthroughs. Certainly they're not telling people about it nearly as often as they're hailing the promise of ESCs—and when they do, they tend to undermine the news with pooh-poohing, often-groundless quotes from ESC advocates.

Adult stem cells routinely treat or cure more than 80 different diseases, while no ESC research is anywhere near becoming a human clinical trial. In their minds, ESC backers have a purely scientific motivation while ASC backers have a religious one. As people picture themselves standing for the cause of reason against the forces of dogma, they also don't realize that the ESC research vocabulary—so filled with "mays" and "coulds" and "one days," promising a miraculous future somewhere down the road—reflects a dogma all its own. Douglas Melton, a diabetes researcher well known for attacking successful ASC efforts than making any real progress on his own with ESCs, is one of the most-quoted stem-cell experts in the country. But what, precisely, has Melton accomplished toward curing diabetes with ESCs? When interviewed by The Wall Street Journal last year, the most he could say was "We are convinced we can do it. We just don't know how." That's not science; that's faith. But it's not a religious faith, and so people don't see it for what it is.

Ira Black, a neurologist at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, is one of the most important ASC researchers in the country, the author or co-author of more than 200 studies. He's also head of one of four labs that has published results showing the ability to convert ASCs into all three basic "germ layers" formed during early embryonic development. (One gives rise to connective tissues, muscles, and the circulatory system. One leads to development of the skin and the nervous system. The last gives rise to the gastrointestinal tract, respiratory tract, and endocrine glands.) The importance of such findings can't be overstated, since the only advantage ESCs ever appeared to have over ASCs was the ability to become all cell types. With that gone, the excuse for ESC research vanishes.

Embryonic stem-cell backers often charge their critics with caring for abstract religious doctrine, not for suffering people. Yet that description arguably may be best suited to many if not most of the ESC advocates themselves. ASC researchers, on the other hand, are almost always practicing physicians. They watch people suffer; they watch them die. They want to help them and to do so as soon as possible.

ECS advocates have done a good job of misleading people into thinking it will produce a cure for many human maladies, and so the public has demanded ESC work because they're misled, meanwhile, maybe billions of dollars and millions of lives will be wasted.


this is a brief summary of a magazine article by Michel Fumento, a well researched journalist.... I hope this gives you all a little look at how slanted your atguments for ECS are........
 

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smile4me   stem-cell research   Jun 1 2005, 04:16 PM
Frankie   weren't there topics on this already? i search...   Jun 2 2005, 10:40 AM
waitwaitwait   If it helps us and doesn't hurt anything in th...   Jun 2 2005, 03:57 PM
smile4me   QUOTE(waitwaitwait @ Jun 2 2005, 3:57 PM)If i...   Jun 2 2005, 06:18 PM
mona lisa   QUOTE(smile4me @ Jun 2 2005, 7:18 PM)would ki...   Jun 2 2005, 06:40 PM
smile4me   QUOTE(gotnoheart @ Jun 2 2005, 6:40 PM)Althou...   Jun 2 2005, 07:20 PM
ItzOnlySydney   ^ agreed, it's helps =)   Jun 2 2005, 03:58 PM
not_your_average   I support all kinds of stem-cell research. Embryon...   Jun 2 2005, 07:18 PM
sadolakced acid   embryonic stem cells don't come from anything ...   Jun 2 2005, 11:25 PM
x_signhere   mm.. right it's just like my view on abortion....   Jun 3 2005, 11:27 AM
b0st0ngrl   If the carrier of the embryo decided to abort it t...   Jun 3 2005, 11:31 AM
DisneyPrincessKate   we watched a movie on stem cell research about 2 w...   Jun 5 2005, 01:50 PM
not_your_average   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 5 2005, 1:50 P...   Jun 6 2005, 02:14 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 5 2005, 2:50 P...   Jun 8 2005, 07:44 AM
smile4me   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 8 2005, 7:44 AM)You make i...   Jun 10 2005, 10:46 AM
sammi rules you   ^ we're not killing potential babies..we'r...   Jun 5 2005, 03:37 PM
BrandonSaunders   A revolutionary breakthrough thanks to stem-cell r...   Jun 5 2005, 04:47 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 5 2005, 1:50 P...   Jun 6 2005, 08:52 PM
sadolakced acid   read the f**king thread. the entire f**king thre...   Jun 10 2005, 03:38 PM
ghetosmurph   There are many tales of the medical miracles ESCs ...   Jun 11 2005, 09:04 PM
gotblog4me?   O.k. ghetosmurph, I can't read the whole thing...   Jun 11 2005, 10:50 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(gotblog4me? @ Jun 11 2005, 11:50 PM)O.k...   Jun 11 2005, 11:14 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 11 2005, 11:14 PM)Here...   Jun 12 2005, 12:29 PM
XoJennaoX   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jun 12 2005, 12:29 PM)who...   Jun 12 2005, 01:47 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jun 12 2005, 1:29 PM)Now ...   Jun 12 2005, 04:11 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 12 2005, 4:11 PM)I do not ...   Jun 12 2005, 04:44 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   I only supported if it used to preserve endanger s...   Jun 12 2005, 12:01 AM
sadolakced acid   please read the whole f.ucking thread. thank you...   Jun 12 2005, 12:13 AM
sammi rules you   i don't think anyone has the right to decide w...   Jun 12 2005, 03:10 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ Jun 12 2005, 1:47 PM)Yes th...   Jun 12 2005, 04:26 PM
Spirited Away   I just wanted to address a couple of things in thi...   Jun 13 2005, 05:42 PM
gotblog4me?   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 12 2005, 4:10 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 04:44 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(gotblog4me? @ Jun 12 2005, 5:44 PM)as f...   Jun 12 2005, 04:57 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 12 2005, 4:57 PM)Potential...   Jun 12 2005, 05:32 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jun 12 2005, 6:32 PM)whic...   Jun 12 2005, 05:54 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 12 2005, 5:54 PM)That does...   Jun 12 2005, 07:01 PM
mipadi   It takes a lot of nerves to liken stem cell resear...   Jun 12 2005, 04:32 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 12 2005, 4:32 PM)It takes ...   Jun 12 2005, 04:49 PM
gotblog4me?   to mipadi: Personally, by ur last post, i think yo...   Jun 12 2005, 04:45 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTEany possible theory for evolution has been pr...   Jun 12 2005, 05:25 PM
gotblog4me?   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 12 2005, 6:25 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 10:15 PM
sammi rules you   ^ read my previous posts. killing (or should i say...   Jun 12 2005, 05:40 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 12 2005, 5:25 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 05:45 PM
sammi rules you   QUOTEand if we take away you food, water and air, ...   Jun 12 2005, 05:53 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 12 2005, 5:40 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 06:02 PM
sammi rules you   i, too, am tired of repeating myself. embryos ca...   Jun 12 2005, 06:16 PM
sammi rules you   did you read my characteristics of a living organi...   Jun 12 2005, 08:37 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEwould ppl. who tell other ppl. to please read...   Jun 12 2005, 08:46 PM
ghetosmurph   but b/c it goes inactive, there is a time where it...   Jun 12 2005, 08:50 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jun 12 2005, 8:50 PM)but ...   Jun 12 2005, 08:56 PM
sadolakced acid   the fundamental difference between adult stem cell...   Jun 12 2005, 08:54 PM
sammi rules you   have you ever picked a flower? accidentally pulled...   Jun 12 2005, 08:55 PM
ghetosmurph   Since any cell in the perti dish can theoretically...   Jun 12 2005, 09:37 PM
sadolakced acid   because we don't have the technology to use AS...   Jun 12 2005, 09:40 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2005, 9:40 PM)...   Jun 12 2005, 11:13 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jun 12 2005, 11:13 PM)umm...   Jun 13 2005, 10:15 AM
sammi rules you   ^ true, ASCs will not grow parts that ESCs are use...   Jun 13 2005, 01:09 PM
sadolakced acid   september 11th was alqueida forcing thier morals o...   Jun 13 2005, 06:56 PM
sadolakced acid   i would like to note: the first person to grow e...   Jun 20 2005, 12:33 AM
smile4me   ohgeebus. i didn't realize there were so many ...   Jun 22 2005, 10:34 PM
sadolakced acid   http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...e=pos...   Jun 23 2005, 01:06 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 23 2005, 1:06 AM)...   Jun 23 2005, 05:17 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ yea. was on the phone with sammi and people and...   Jun 24 2005, 12:25 AM
sammi rules you   YOU CAN'T KNOW. i so definitely saw him first...   Jun 24 2005, 12:42 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 24 2005, 12:42 AM...   Jun 26 2005, 02:40 AM
ichigofan   I support Stem Cell research because I was under t...   Jun 27 2005, 11:51 AM
insomniac   i can see why some people would think of embryonic...   Jun 29 2005, 05:50 PM
sadolakced acid   i would like to point out that: the source of emb...   Feb 7 2006, 10:58 PM
anoniez   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 7 2006, 9:58 PM)i...   Feb 7 2006, 11:09 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 7 2006, 10:58 PM)...   Feb 7 2006, 11:11 PM
sadolakced acid   yes, every single time. the term adult stem cell...   Feb 7 2006, 11:13 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 7 2006, 11:13 PM)...   Feb 7 2006, 11:13 PM
sadolakced acid   aborted feotuses are the source for adult stem cel...   Feb 7 2006, 11:18 PM
anoniez   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 7 2006, 10:18 PM)...   Feb 16 2006, 09:31 PM
sadolakced acid   well; i'll admit it's probably dated info...   Feb 18 2006, 08:47 PM
Evil_One1   Compare the amount of tiny, little embryos to the ...   Jul 29 2006, 12:56 AM
ichigofan   I support stem cell research because it could help...   Aug 3 2006, 02:25 PM
sarahc143   stem cell research should not be attempted because...   Aug 28 2006, 12:01 AM
disco infiltrator   The most common source for stem cell research are ...   Aug 29 2006, 08:44 PM


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