Paganism and WitchCraft Options

[SasukeNaru]

Anyone believe this? I do.. the whole spiritual realms and energy and ppl who can wield powers.. yea thats true but the old salem witchtrials and folklore spread by word of mouth changed what witches really represented. They communed with the earth and summoned energies from it by either praying to a god or just being in tune with the earth. This is all stuff ive read and history books.. if im rong and if someone here is wiccan then please correct me. just wanted a view on stuff like this

Also- Satanism has NOTHING to do with witchcraft

lol if ur wondering why i looked this up, it was for my RPG lol

[antix10_kos]

You say that everything is based on the free will of human beings, yes, yes, I know this. That is NOT what I was talking about. I am talking about God's Plan. That mysterious thing that is God's Will. Can human beings interfere with this? Is it foolish of humans to try? As usual, I have been misconstrued. I will not stand for that.

Breakdown:
Humans have free will.
My View:
Yes, we do. We make choices everyday, every second of every day that effect the outcome of our lives. If something goes wrong of our own accord, we can choose how to deal with it. To accept it, to change it, to mull it over and deal with it later. Our lives are like a complex equation, infinite, solvable only in small increments, the bigger picture sometimes remaining unseen.

Breakdown:
Horrid things, such as the defilement of children, happen as a product of free will.
My View:
Yes, that is true. Free will can bended, shaped, molded, broken, and twisted. Free will is dangerous, and in a constant stasis. What a person wants now, they might not want later. We all think "bad" thoughts. Only some of the human race acts on those thoughts.

Breakdown:
The defilement of children and other heinous acts are the products of free will and are NOT God's Will or part of God's Plan.
My View:
Yes, they are products of free will. I also think that if you believe in predestination or that there is an all-knowing being who controls everything to fit it's master plan, then EVERYTHING that happens is part of this plan. The plan encompasses heinous acts of free will. My argument with the defilement of children is that children are sacred and for the most part, defenseless. There is no REASON why they should become the victims of such perversions of free will. If everything is part of God's Plan and everything happens as a result of his will (by "his will", I mean that God has chosen it to part of his plan, not that he chose the exact responses, circumstances, etc. I also do not mean that God is DIRECTLY responsible. Obviously, God cannot be held to trial for such things. Nor can I or any other being pin the truth of the actions on a sentient being such as God,) then God had a hand in it.

Breakdown:
Faith-healing and Prayer healing are asking for God to change his will, and his plan. If he's really all-knowing, then how can we change that knowledge and our destiny without messing up his carefully laid plans? And should we tinker with his plan in the first place? Isn't that challenging God, and a sin or at least a show of poor faith?
My View:
There is no such thing as faith-healing or prayer healing. They happen because they were supposed to happen. They happen because the person was misdiagnosed, their illness or injury was a serious, they woke up at the right time, they had excellent doctors, the medications worked better than expected, the person wanted to live and willed their self to get better. Praying or engaging in rituals of healing or other such things, have no benefit on the patient or object of the prayer. Prayer and other rituals soothe the participants. They provide a HEALTHY outlet for frustration, blame, anger and other hurtful, soul-eating emotions. Is there anything physically, mentally, emotionally or psychologically wrong with prayer?? No, not in my opinion. If that's what you want to do, then do it. If it feels right to you or helps you, do it. I personally don't do it because it doesn't feel right to me.

Breakdown:
God CANNOT always heal you because of certain issues (some sects call these issues "sin", others leave them to be called what they will). God WANTS to heal you always, but he can't if your soul is full of "issues".
My View:
If you believe, God has a lot of power. More than I or you or even the whole of humanity can collectively fathom. So I won't argue that just because I don't believe, doesn't mean that the power doesn't exist. It won't accomplish anything. God is selective, which is something I don't think is right. He is responisble for all of his creations, correct? What I mean by that is, he created us, so he knows that we exist and all, and he could strike us from existance at whim or will, could he not? If you've done "bad" things like defile children, abuse drugs, or steal from others, and you have never asked for forgiveness from those people and from God, then God cannot heal you. Basically, God is saying "You aren't worthy, I don't care, you are a horrible person and don't deserve it." You have to EARN the right to be healed. I'd rather believe that whether you live or die is not decided by anyone, that getting better is always an option until the moment of death and that faith placed in men, science and technology is more realistic than praying all day to someone who is unreliable. There are also times where people pray to die, but remain alive, in spite of much suffering. Is that punishment or do they have to wait to until it's "their time" to go? All of it so confusing, I choose to believe that birth, life and death happen because they have to happen, (on a biological, scientific level.)

Breakdown:
God is always just. Satan is an legalist.
My View:
In the United States, our legal system is called "The Justice System". Although it still has many of the trappings of a Christian system, Satanists are encouraged to enter the legal and law enforcement fields because we are considered to be the better judges, more just because we are more willing to punish. We don't believe in giving someone a break. We don't buy into crying testimonials or bald-faced lies. We believe in facts, in proof and we educate ourselves and take the time to make informed decisions. We see nothing wrong with death as a punishment and truly believe in "an eye for an eye". We, however, take that saying very literally. If you hurt us or hurt someone else that didn't deserve it and we have proof that it was you, we will not only take your eye, we'll take both of your eyes. Or maybe your hand or ear instead. Whatever is just punishment, is what we will do. (This part of the Satanist belief comes from The Lex Talionis is a law of equal and direct retribution: in the words of the Hebrew scriptures, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an arm for an arm, a life for a life." ) Satanism also encourages vigilante action. If someone wrongs you, get them back. Don't always depend on the system to administer the correct and just punishment.

Breakdown:
You have yet to see the true power of God.
My View:
What is the true power of God? Is it that the lame walk, the mute talk, and the naysayers balk? The dead will rise, the blind will have eyes, and politicians will tell no lies? If those things can happen, then they will happen. I have dealt with many issues in my own life, some of which I still struggle with today, this very minute. I have had things happen to me that I don't wish on my worst enemy. I only wish them on those who did them to me. I have struggled with relationships my whole life, yet I still love. I refuse to hate anyone, unless they have wronged me. I do not point fingers. I do not blame anyone for the way I feel. As I stated in one of my previous posts, there is much anger and hate in this world. I will not contribute to that, not at all.

Conclusion:
Do what works for you. Leave me out of it. If you are right and I am wrong, I will not be angry, nor will I cry out when my punishment comes due. If I am right and you are wrong, respect that and show similar strength.

End Note:
I do not believe that God exists, or that Satan exists.

[likeachild]

I do not believe that God exists, or that Satan exists.

why do you call yourself a Satanist if you don't believe he exists?