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Paganism and WitchCraft
SasukeNaru
post Jun 24 2004, 07:39 PM
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Anyone believe this? I do.. the whole spiritual realms and energy and ppl who can wield powers.. yea thats true but the old salem witchtrials and folklore spread by word of mouth changed what witches really represented. They communed with the earth and summoned energies from it by either praying to a god or just being in tune with the earth. This is all stuff ive read and history books.. if im rong and if someone here is wiccan then please correct me. just wanted a view on stuff like this

Also- Satanism has NOTHING to do with witchcraft

lol if ur wondering why i looked this up, it was for my RPG lol
 
 
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DislocatedPuppet
post May 20 2005, 07:18 PM
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Aughness.

I am wicca, so I will explain the views of wicca.

What are you all on about with the spells and all!? Is this supposed to be witchcraft? What are you people, tv-addicts? Seems to me that you know only the hollywood version of this, spells,spells and more spells.

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withcraft HAS ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with satanism. im actually a witch sorta.
i can only cast charms/curses. some of them worked ><;;.


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I heard of wiccan before, ooooooooo too bad i dont know anyone who is actually in it...i want to try their spells


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i heard of wiccan spells and charms.

basically their spells are based on charms like evil spells and healing spells. wiccans are prohibited to use evil spells like curses to manipulate people. manipulation is VERY prohibted in wicca. so they only use "good" charms.

charms are basically based on manipulation...so its not like harry potter where you can cast a fireball or make thigns float.

anyways..wiccan spells and charms are very very easy (from phrases to movements) or very very complicated (to having rituals..etc.)


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Good witches represent the white side of the wiccan religion and the other is the darkness or black. White magic heals and Black magic curses and banes life.


Ok, that makes me sad. All you see is spells. And I get why it's facinating, but please. Get what seems to be all you know about witchcraft right, atleast:

Magic is defined as "the ability to make change by force of will."
We have a rule of three, part of the Wiccan Rede;
And ever mind the Rule of Three:
What ye send out comes back to thee.

Also, we have another important rule, also part of the Wiccan Rede;
An Harm Ye None, Do What Ye Will
This is not just spellwork, but life in general. These are the most important rules we need to remember.

There are thousands of different spells. That can be used for different purposes. But anytime we do a spell, we MUST remember the above rules. If you send out a negative energy to someone, making them say lose a familymember, it will come three times as strong back on you. That's not good. If you don't follow them rules, if you use your magic for such things, you get it back on you no matter what. You do that when you do good things aswell, but that surely won't hurt you if you healed another persons foot, would it? If you don't follow the rules despite the fact that you'll get it back, that's your own responsibility and you get no punishment from a deity or something, all you get is what you did yourself. Casting negative magic doesn't make you a "black" witch, whilst those who practice positive magic are "white" witches. I'd say more that if you do so, you'd simply be a very lousy witch and probably a rather unhappy person, concidering the rule of three.

magic is not something you should mess with. If a spell goes wrong, nothing happens, except it simply doesn't work. But if it works, you can't just throw spells around. You have to think, because you're actions have consequences, and spells are not things to toy with.
A love spell? These are really adviced not to take. Are you really wanting to make someone fall in love with you? You will have to live with the fact that the person doesn't really love you, he/she only cares because of a spell. And if you change your mind and realize you don't want him/her anyway, then what?
If you are gonna drag your crush away from his or hers bf/gf, so that you can date them, think about getting it back threefold.
If you ask for money, do you seriously believe they'll appear out of nowhere? Where will the money come from? You might end up inheriting them from a close relative.

Spells might be tempting, yes, but it's not a joke. It's alot of resonsibility, and it needs lots of thinking and concideration.

Here's a little quote from Kate West:

Magic is often defined as "the ability to make change by force of will". It is not about blindly following a series of instructions, reciting the "right" words or having the right ingrediences, like baking a cake. It is about harnessing and controlling your own will, or power of mind, to create the change you seek.

That's MAGIC.


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anyways, witchcraft is portrayed so evil by Christianity. but it isnt true.


Indeed, it isn't. Our religion is from paganism, paganism being the biggest and longest surviving religion, one of the oldest religions in the world. Infact, christianity has a huge amount of similarities to paganism, as they have "borrowed" from us, just like pretty much everyone of the 5 world religions.
Wicca, my path, is over 8000 years old, and modern wicca became "official" when a man called Gardner "named" it in 1940. He is considered the father of modern wicca.

The christian church in the middle age tried to make everyone christian. The romans took England, England being filled with pagans, and those who didn't give up their old religion, got burned. Ofcourse, this never reached the official historybooks and schoolbooks, because any sign of paganism is deleted and erased from history. This suppression isn't over yet, in my opinion, and it makes me sad that you guys know so little about the worlds greatest religion, probably because you never heard a word of it, not even in religion in school. they even say there's only 5 world religions.
I'd say 6.
But hey, I'm just a kid.

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pagans worship more than one god. that's all. not nature worshipers, no.


Kind of. Paganism is witchcraft. Wicca is a path is paganism, and paganism in general, ofcoursly then including wicca, believe in two gods, one god and one goddess. This is meant figuratively, not literally. We believe the goddess is in everything, in us and in the world around us. Nature AND human-built things like buildings. She is the three phases Maiden, Mother and Crone, like a flower is a pebble, then flower, then old and dying. Like a building is new, then in use, then old and to be torn down. We believe that the God follows her. Wicca and paganism is a natureBASED religion, but this doesn't mean we WORSHIP the nature. If you can see the difference. F. example, we base our rituals, that is, our sabbats, on the wheel of the year. I might post a short summary on wiccan beliefs here. I think I will. Because this lack of knowledge makes me really sad.

Please stop with the Spell-testing for fun, or try for real. Besides, wicca isn't about spells. Magic is just part of our beliefs. We have loads of other aspects you should read on before trying magic. Then again, many religions have magic, not just wicca..
 

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SasukeNaru   Paganism and WitchCraft   Jun 24 2004, 07:39 PM
Mini   withcraft HAS ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with satani...   Jun 24 2004, 07:42 PM
Frankie   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 24 2004, 6:42 PM)withcraft H...   Feb 27 2005, 01:17 PM
not_your_average   QUOTE(Frankie @ Feb 27 2005, 1:17 PM)i though...   May 22 2005, 07:32 PM
pikimoo   Ugh.. I hate it when people think Sadism and Witch...   Jun 24 2004, 07:45 PM
ComradeRed   I sacrifice to Pallas Nike, Winged Goddess of Vict...   Jun 24 2004, 07:45 PM
sadolakced acid   paganism and witchcraft are different. pagans wor...   Jun 25 2004, 10:00 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 25 2004, 10:00 AM...   Jun 25 2004, 10:55 AM
sadolakced acid   praying to the lesser goddess does not bode well w...   Jun 25 2004, 10:57 AM
Retrogressive   well i barely know any about it (all i know is rea...   Jun 25 2004, 04:47 PM
Kathleen   I was going to convert to Wiccan. I suppose I was ...   Jun 25 2004, 05:37 PM
ComradeRed   What... the... hell...? What spells are these Kat...   Jun 25 2004, 06:23 PM
Kathleen   Haha. Oh just spells to make me win more Lincoln-D...   Jun 25 2004, 06:31 PM
y0urmistake   i went through the witchcraft phaze.. have a book ...   Jun 25 2004, 06:31 PM
Mini   i heard of wiccan before, ooooooooo too bad i dont...   Jun 25 2004, 06:32 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jun 25 2004, 6:31 PM)Haha. O...   Jun 25 2004, 07:16 PM
Mini   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 25 2004, 7:16 PM)Aha...   Jun 25 2004, 07:22 PM
ComradeRed   Damnit, curses are the funnest spells. Bireme ......   Jun 25 2004, 07:25 PM
Mini   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 25 2004, 7:25 PM)Damni...   Jun 25 2004, 07:31 PM
ComradeRed   I'll have to lure them to my evil island and f...   Jun 25 2004, 07:41 PM
LaRevolucion   Wicca...I once wanted to convert. I even told my m...   Jun 25 2004, 09:42 PM
JlIaTMK   ive always been interested in this subject and the...   Jun 25 2004, 10:15 PM
RiddleMeWonders   QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Jun 25 2004, 10:15 PM)but onc...   May 21 2005, 10:14 AM
SasukeNaru   Its a real tough topic... so much controversy and ...   Jun 26 2004, 02:20 AM
DavidxN   whoa what a cool and wierd topic, i always thought...   Jun 26 2004, 12:51 PM
lovebabygonebad   HEY IMMA WITCH. LOL. Just thought i'd say so....   Feb 22 2005, 02:53 AM
Jinjjasanaee   witchcraft... I think it's real. I think when ...   Feb 22 2005, 03:01 AM
angel-roh   uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh witchcraft is more li...   Feb 24 2005, 04:21 PM
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lovebabygonebad   QUOTE(angel-roh @ Feb 24 2005, 4:21 PM)u...   Feb 26 2005, 07:06 PM
not_your_average   QUOTE(angel-roh @ Feb 24 2005, 4:21 PM)u...   May 22 2005, 07:28 PM
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thait3n   its intresting stuff, thats for sure Though, i r...   Feb 27 2005, 07:01 PM
f4113n   the salem witch trials, literally, were caused by ...   Feb 28 2005, 03:40 PM
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aznxdreamer   i went through this whole phase where i thought i ...   Mar 26 2005, 09:30 PM
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wounded   Wicca is cool. I mean, I'm Catholic and all, b...   Apr 6 2005, 05:50 PM
DislocatedPuppet   Aughness. I am wicca, so I will explain the views...   May 20 2005, 07:18 PM
sadolakced acid   pagan= a name given by the christians to the reli...   May 20 2005, 07:28 PM
XoJennaoX   I'm aware that witches are way more than the w...   May 21 2005, 04:46 PM
madchenallein   I realize most of the 'Christian' world ou...   May 24 2005, 12:50 AM
antix10_kos   There is so much anger in this world. There is so ...   May 25 2005, 11:53 AM
v@por   you know why so many people are fascinated by this...   May 26 2005, 12:31 AM
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madchenallein   Huzzah, v@por! What I see when I walk down t...   May 26 2005, 02:22 AM
v@por   QUOTEChristianity is too much confliction to be tr...   May 26 2005, 11:39 PM
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v@por   QUOTE(antix10_kos @ May 27 2005, 10:33 AM)I d...   May 27 2005, 07:53 PM
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Boyfriendless   I am a modern satanist, sort of, the name kind of ...   Feb 2 2006, 02:36 AM
broken inside   Wicca sounds like the most stupid thing I've e...   Jul 23 2006, 07:35 PM


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