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Christopher Columbus, the discoverer of America?
panaginip13
post Apr 3 2005, 08:18 PM
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Okay, so I searched for a topic on this, and couldn't find one so I decided to make one. If there is a topic on this, feel free to close this and smack me upside the head for my inability to find things. pinch.gif

Columbus is often known as the discoverer of America. He came across America during his exploration and shared his discovery with Europe. This caused more Europeans to explore and settle in America, helping make America what it is today. However, some do not think that Columbus discovered America because of the Vikings and Native Americans that were there before him and for many other reasons.

Should Columbus be the one credited for discovering America? If not, who should be?
 
 
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sadolakced acid
post May 6 2005, 03:37 PM
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columbus did do something, yes. it was quite important, but he didn't discover it...

there are just too many ways in which he is less a candidate for the discoverer of america to count him as such- like, he didn't know it wasn't india.

columbus had a part. he created a record of the new world, although he didn't know it was new. His voyage helped spark the age of exploration. regardless of the achievements, it cannot be called a discovery.
 
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post May 6 2005, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 6 2005, 3:37 PM)
columbus did do something, yes.  it was quite important, but he didn't discover it...

there are just too many ways in which he is less a candidate for the discoverer of america to count him as such- like, he didn't know it wasn't india.

columbus had a part. he created a record of the new world, although he didn't know it was new.  His voyage helped spark the age of exploration.  regardless of the achievements, it cannot be called a discovery.
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Wait, so because he didn't know or understand what he found, he shouldn're receive credit?

You know, I used to be very routine, doing everything in succession. One day, after recovering from a slight depression that lasted a month or so, I did things so spontaneously. I did things I didn't know I would do, things that weren't planned or expected of me. I didn't even know that I was different, but I liked the feeling so I kept on.

But now, after 2 years and having a better understanding of "self", I realized what happened. That and my Mom told me that I changed for the better. I discovered a new me, someone that I could like. It was a discovery. My Mother made me realize that I was different. Had she not said anything, I wouldn't have made that revelation. So is she the one who should receive credit for my "new self" or should I receive credit? I found a new way to live. She simply pointed it out.

That's why I stress that time reveals all. Knowledge of geography was rather limitted, he couldn't have understand what it was he founded. He founded it and brought the knowledge that "India" was there. People simply pointed out that it wasn't India but retained the knowledge that there's land. I once speculated that he didn't dare deny that he never reached India because he feared the King and Queen, so he pressed that he had reached India until he died. Of course, that's not what history says, but one could speculate.

Anyway, I think I said all I could say in this debate, saying anymore will make me a broken record.
 

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panaginip13   Christopher Columbus   Apr 3 2005, 08:18 PM
lolthissiteisfunny   I don't think so. He might have "discover...   Apr 3 2005, 08:23 PM
sadolakced acid   christopher columbus died without knowing he disco...   Apr 3 2005, 10:23 PM
mizzkim   i think he should be credited.. after all i wouldn...   Apr 3 2005, 10:28 PM
yellowgurl   QUOTE(mizzkim @ Apr 3 2005, 7:28 PM)i think h...   May 2 2005, 01:24 AM
Solipsist   Yeah. Because we don't have a Lief Erikson day...   Apr 3 2005, 10:31 PM
Spirited Away   I've written about this topic before: "T...   Apr 3 2005, 10:40 PM
pandamonium   well he didnt find this country he made it officia...   Apr 3 2005, 11:39 PM
DaTru KataLYST   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Apr 3 2005, 9:39 PM)well ...   Apr 4 2005, 07:46 PM
PinoyOtaku   IMO I just remember him as the person that began/p...   Apr 4 2005, 02:35 AM
i heart john   He didn't actually discover America. It's ...   Apr 4 2005, 04:15 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Apr 3 2005, 10:39 PM)well...   Apr 4 2005, 05:09 PM
Frankie   obviously he didn't discover it because the na...   Apr 4 2005, 05:37 PM
sadolakced acid   amerigo vespucci was the 'first' to realiz...   Apr 4 2005, 08:02 PM
pandamonium   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 4 2005, 8:02 PM)a...   Apr 9 2005, 01:16 AM
Spirited Away   However, he inspired further exploration of it for...   Apr 4 2005, 08:51 PM
xd0rkette   I'd give that guy atleast some credit. He did ...   Apr 4 2005, 10:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(xd0rkette @ Apr 4 2005, 10:38 PM)I...   Apr 4 2005, 10:54 PM
weirdness   QUOTE(xd0rkette @ Apr 4 2005, 11:38 PM)I...   Apr 30 2005, 08:49 PM
sadolakced acid   he is not credited with inspiring people to americ...   Apr 4 2005, 10:44 PM
tmauze   I know he wasn't the FIRST one to discover it,...   Apr 8 2005, 11:28 PM
sadolakced acid   1. columbus was not the first european in the ...   Apr 9 2005, 12:37 AM
PinoyOtaku   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 8 2005, 9:37 PM)1...   Apr 9 2005, 01:47 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 9 2005, 12:37 AM)...   Apr 9 2005, 12:03 PM
iNyCxShoRT   Psh. . .christopher columbus didn't discover a...   Apr 30 2005, 06:24 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(iNyCxShoRT @ Apr 30 2005, 6:24 PM)Psh. ...   Apr 30 2005, 07:22 PM
aznxdreamer   hes the one that made it official. but i do think ...   Apr 30 2005, 08:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Apr 30 2005, 8:45 PM)hes ...   Apr 30 2005, 09:59 PM
sadolakced acid   christopher collumbus discovered 'India'. ...   Apr 30 2005, 10:04 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 30 2005, 10:04 PM...   Apr 30 2005, 10:08 PM
ROARxD   i think coloumbus should be given HALF of hte cred...   Apr 30 2005, 10:32 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ROARxD @ Apr 30 2005, 10:32 PM)i think ...   Apr 30 2005, 10:36 PM
sadolakced acid   alexander fleming accedientally discovered pennici...   May 1 2005, 12:04 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 1 2005, 12:04 PM)...   May 1 2005, 01:11 PM
XoJennaoX   of course Mr. Columbus discovered America...well a...   May 1 2005, 04:39 PM
sadolakced acid   collumbus never realized he discovered a new conti...   May 1 2005, 04:54 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 1 2005, 4:54 PM)c...   May 1 2005, 07:31 PM
sadolakced acid   a man sets sail for india, lands there, doesn...   May 1 2005, 09:21 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 1 2005, 9:21 PM)a...   May 1 2005, 09:34 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 1 2005, 10:34 PM)Un...   May 4 2005, 02:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 4 2005, 2:45 PM)How ...   May 4 2005, 04:47 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 4 2005, 5:47 PM)Fro...   May 4 2005, 06:24 PM
sadolakced acid   but it was amerigo vespucci that said, look guys, ...   May 2 2005, 01:22 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 2 2005, 1:22 AM)b...   May 2 2005, 12:00 PM
sadolakced acid   so what would you credit collumbus with? he didn...   May 2 2005, 10:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 2 2005, 10:07 PM)...   May 2 2005, 10:11 PM
rOckThISshYt   I think the Native Americans have been in America ...   May 3 2005, 04:52 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 3 2005, 4:52 PM)So n...   May 3 2005, 04:54 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 3 2005, 5:54 PM)He ...   May 3 2005, 05:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 3 2005, 5:00 PM)Very...   May 3 2005, 05:12 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 3 2005, 6:12 PM)No ...   May 3 2005, 05:39 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 3 2005, 5:39 PM)Ahh....   May 3 2005, 05:55 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTEI said more than that. I said CC brought atte...   May 3 2005, 06:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 3 2005, 6:00 PM)Ah.....   May 3 2005, 06:06 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 3 2005, 7:06 PM)It...   May 3 2005, 06:10 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 3 2005, 6:10 PM)Haha...   May 3 2005, 06:12 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 3 2005, 7:12 PM)Edi...   May 3 2005, 06:18 PM
sadolakced acid   be he didnt' discover it for the civilized wor...   May 3 2005, 09:27 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 3 2005, 10:27 PM)...   May 3 2005, 09:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 3 2005, 9:27 PM)b...   May 3 2005, 09:54 PM
sadolakced acid   hmm... my definiton of discovery: 1. looking for...   May 4 2005, 07:47 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 4 2005, 7:47 PM)h...   May 4 2005, 08:27 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 4 2005, 9:27 PM)Mr....   May 4 2005, 11:35 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 4 2005, 9:27 PM)Mr....   May 4 2005, 11:51 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 4 2005, 7:47 PM)h...   May 5 2005, 11:33 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 6 2005, 12:33 AM)...   May 5 2005, 11:37 PM
x LUV x ALWAYS x   No, he didn't discover it! I don't rem...   May 4 2005, 11:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(x LUV x ALWAYS x @ May 4 2005, 11:45 PM...   May 4 2005, 11:59 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(x LUV x ALWAYS x @ May 5 2005, 12:45 AM...   May 5 2005, 12:19 AM
sadolakced acid   hmm... but you see, i do discredit all the other ...   May 5 2005, 11:00 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 6 2005, 12:00 AM)...   May 5 2005, 11:11 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 5 2005, 11:00 PM)...   May 5 2005, 11:59 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 6 2005, 12:59 AM)Th...   May 6 2005, 12:31 AM
sadolakced acid   columbus did do something, yes. it was quite impo...   May 6 2005, 03:37 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 6 2005, 3:37 PM)c...   May 6 2005, 08:38 PM
rOckThISshYt   Again, I still believe it has to do with your defi...   May 6 2005, 10:38 PM
sadolakced acid   saying he's the discoveror of america gives co...   May 7 2005, 12:37 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 7 2005, 12:37 AM)...   May 7 2005, 02:44 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 7 2005, 3:44 PM)I s...   May 7 2005, 02:52 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 7 2005, 2:52 PM)Now ...   May 7 2005, 03:00 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 7 2005, 4:00 PM) Uh...   May 7 2005, 09:09 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 7 2005, 9:09 PM)Err....   May 7 2005, 10:15 PM
rOckThISshYt   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 7 2005, 11:15 PM)I...   May 7 2005, 10:37 PM
madchenallein   Of all these, DaTruKataLYST is the only one who ha...   May 24 2005, 02:25 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(madchenallein @ May 24 2005, 2:25 AM)Of...   May 24 2005, 12:27 PM
madchenallein   Supporting details. I didn't say asians were ...   May 24 2005, 06:47 PM
sadolakced acid   look, just post that as a new topic, if you must. ...   May 25 2005, 04:12 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ May 25 2005, 4:12 PM)...   May 25 2005, 07:01 PM
skateforfree   Chirsterphor columbus never set foot on america he...   May 27 2005, 04:43 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(skateforfree @ May 27 2005, 1:43 PM)Chi...   May 27 2005, 07:43 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(skateforfree @ May 27 2005, 4:43 PM)Chi...   May 27 2005, 09:49 PM
skateforfree   by reading your sig i dont trust you   May 27 2005, 09:41 PM
Angel_Cece   if there were people there... before he went there...   May 27 2005, 09:51 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Angel_Cece @ May 27 2005, 9:51 PM)if th...   May 27 2005, 09:57 PM
mona lisa   Columbus, of course, was not the first person to l...   May 27 2005, 10:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(gotnoheart @ May 27 2005, 10:42 PM)Colu...   May 27 2005, 10:58 PM
mona lisa   Haha. You're welcome Fae. (I wish I knew your ...   May 28 2005, 10:23 PM


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