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Fatism, Destiny and Fate
xXYouMeBedNowXx
post Apr 16 2005, 11:10 AM
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I don't know many people that are Fatists, people that believe in Destiny, and a set course in path and in life. It may be either they don't want to believe it, or simply don't see the benefit, or maybe they don't understand it enough about it to think that it could work.

All choices are governed by factors, by influences. These factors are cancelled, reduced, and summed to calculate the end decision. The result of the choice reacts, and causes other factors, which then influence more choice. This endless cycle of cause and effect; of factor and choice is known as Fate -- Destiny.

Everything that has ever happened, happened the way it should have. There are no mistakes, simply, because Fate does not pose as a question with variation, but a statement. Fact, not opinion. Cause and effect are the only constants. All factors, when calculated out and completely influenced the sides of a decision will create the outcome. The outcome is then another choice. These factors are direct causes of choice, making variation an impossibility.

This is the essence of the inevitabilty. To think of Destiny as a helplessness, a weakness of non-control, it can be thought of on the contrary. It can be a strength: to know that what you do is with purpose, with pure decision and meaning; with an ultimatum of complete solidarity. It provides us with meaning in all actions, creating every movement, sound, and touch an art form within itself.


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Now, it might sound familiar. "Our choices are predetermined" only the "illusion of choice". Well I swear to you that there is one peice of culture that can actually explain the concept well. You've all heard of it before. Bullet-dodging, flying kicks, black leather suits and tight jackets. The Matrix. Right. I know. But they do it well.

Probably the largest portion of the movie that can coincide with these things are scenes with the Merovingian, the Oracle, the Architect and Smith. Mostly in Reloaded. If you listen to them carefully, and actually try to understand what they say, it can make sense.

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post Apr 16 2005, 12:46 PM
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i'm not a fatist. i think things just happen. you control what you do, nothing is set in stone. things happen you can't control, as well. *shrug* it's life.
 
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post Apr 16 2005, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Apr 16 2005, 11:46 AM)
i'm not a fatist. i think things just happen. you control what you do, nothing is set in stone. things happen you can't control, as well. *shrug* it's life.
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i am kinda undecided. some people say that god make everything happen but that is kinda hard to believe considering that i could go get a knife and slit my throat right know and that would be MY decision. but then again, it is a weird saying that things just happen. once again, i am just not sure...
 
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post Apr 16 2005, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(Frankie @ Apr 16 2005, 1:08 PM)
i am kinda undecided. some people say that god make everything happen but that is kinda hard to believe considering that i could go get a knife and slit my throat right know and that would be MY decision. but then again, it is a weird saying that things just happen. once again, i am just not sure...
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My position on God is a little different than what people may think of. Instead of God being an actual being, I see it as some force. Or actually, I should say a process. Fate is not a force, but a system and process, a simple formula through which things in our lives must calculate through, and re-calculated to conform outcomes in our universe.

In...uh...this case. One of the things that annoyed me about what we consider as religion today is that one singular thing without much evidence and proof is an explanation for all things.

"He hung himself, he chose to."
"No, God chose for him, it was his will."
"Right."

The only difference with the impact of Fate and of God is that, I feel, one makes more sense than the other. Which explains, thereto.
 

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xXYouMeBedNowXx   Fatism   Apr 16 2005, 11:10 AM
ermfermoo   I follow what you're saying, but in a differen...   Apr 16 2005, 11:12 AM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   I forgot to mention time. Basically there are two ...   Apr 16 2005, 11:20 AM
sammi rules you   i'm not a fatist. i think things just happen. ...   Apr 16 2005, 12:46 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Apr 16 2005, 12:46 PM...   Apr 16 2005, 12:49 PM
Frankie   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Apr 16 2005, 11:46 AM...   Apr 16 2005, 01:08 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   QUOTE(Frankie @ Apr 16 2005, 1:08 PM)i am kin...   Apr 16 2005, 01:25 PM
sammi rules you   well no, no one's sure, that's what i just...   Apr 16 2005, 12:53 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Apr 16 2005, 12:53 PM...   Apr 16 2005, 01:00 PM
yanners   i don't exactly believe in destiny or fate, bu...   Apr 17 2005, 02:25 AM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   QUOTE(x__forever @ Apr 17 2005, 2:25 AM)i don...   Apr 17 2005, 12:06 PM
mzkandi   I believe God controls my destiny/fate...   Apr 17 2005, 06:46 AM
yanners   not exactly. my idea of destiny/fate is that ther...   Apr 18 2005, 06:52 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTEI believe God controls my destiny/fate... But...   Apr 18 2005, 09:53 AM
pandamonium   ^ i think what he/she meant is that God already kn...   Apr 18 2005, 01:28 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(pandamonium @ Apr 18 2005, 1:28 PM)^ i ...   Apr 18 2005, 01:37 PM
Jhaks   Ooo very interesting ideas. I agree with you very...   Apr 21 2005, 04:08 AM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   I think I love you, Jhaks.   Apr 22 2005, 08:41 PM
XoJennaoX   I don't now if i necessarily believe in fate a...   Apr 24 2005, 01:02 PM
kryzcoak47luv666   I believe in fate and I believe everything happens...   Apr 25 2005, 05:25 AM
monde libre   i believe that fate is an excellent way to escape ...   Apr 25 2005, 07:11 PM
aera   ^yes. i think we have some say in what we will bec...   Apr 26 2005, 08:29 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   I know that it's horrible to bring this back u...   Jun 20 2005, 09:37 AM
sikdragon   Wow, that's basically the christian belief, or...   Jun 20 2005, 11:11 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 20 2005, 11:11 PM)Wow, ...   Jun 21 2005, 08:08 AM
sikdragon   No, enlightenment is knowledge of oneself. Christi...   Jun 21 2005, 07:37 PM
xXYouMeBedNowXx   Perhaps I should restate what I meant. I meant ...   Jun 25 2005, 01:42 PM


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