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post Apr 3 2005, 09:20 PM
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Yeah .. It's kind of weird and very unsensitive of me to be putting up this thread but .. isn't it true? Like for example, September 11 - we weren't so patriotic before that and now look it's all, "GOD BLESS AMERICA!" and "I <3 AMERICA!"

It's like we all need reassurance so patriotism is where to go! WOO!

Don't yell at me and stuff ... I'm just ranting.
 
 
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post Apr 4 2005, 11:36 AM
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paˇtriˇotˇism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ptr--tzm)
n.
Love of and devotion to one's country.

Do I love my country? Not really. Do I love the ideals of what it stands for? Sometimes yes and sometimes Hell no. Am I devoted to my country? I sure as hell would not go to war for this country. I would rather kill myself than die in a war for oil and big business in a foreign land.

nationalism
n 1: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it [syn: patriotism][/B][B]2: the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other [ant: multiculturalism, internationalism] 3: the aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination 4: the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals [ant: internationalism]

defintions taken from dictionary.com

1: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

A lot of people feel that way about the US. They are very gung-ho and very proud of their country. They talk about how the war is good, Bush is a great president and that Iraq wants us and need us. Those people, in my opinion, are the ones who need a wake-up call. Screw your nationalist ways. You are mostly likely the people who won't have to make any kinds of sacrifices for this war. You will not be sent to fight there, you will not be going without your freedoms. Screw this Nationalistic, full of shit government of the US. To all of those who have loved ones who are currently serving in the military or have served in the military under this administration, I hope that all is well with you and yours.

2: the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other [ant: multiculturalism, internationalism]

That covers a lot of people in the US. It also covers the policy of our government in foreign affairs. I laugh at our government and the people who believe that America is superior. America is only superior to every other nation in one way: WAR. No other nation can even begin to compare to the US when it comes to the money spent on war. Or the money that is spent on developing ways to kill more people faster with greater accuracy and less damage to ourselves. The last 3 major wars the US has fought in, we have "lost" due to the fact that they weren't really wars...they were just special interest business projects of the disgustingly and overwhelming rich business tycoons of the US and it's allied business partners. Vietnam=a war for control of southeast Asia. Gulf War=war for control of middle east and oil. Afghanistan/Iraq=war for oil and big business. A second attempt to establish control of the middle east.

3: the aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination

That's how Iraqis feel about the coalition soldiers stationed there. We kill their families, we humiliate them, they retaliate and kill our soldiers...They hate our presences but want out protection. We are losing faith because no good ever comes out of this situation. Establishing a democracy will not solve these problems. We are only driving Iraq to become a nation that it has never been. Few people know this, but Iraq was not a country until some Europeans and Americans drew some lines on a map of the middle east. The people living there were just lumped together. Simple, right?? No, because the people living there hate each other. The coalition is driving these people together under a cause...and creating a monster.
 

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Days Nearly Over   death = patriotism?   Apr 3 2005, 09:20 PM
bRoKeNxALoNE   Yah I get what your saying. I thought that too aft...   Apr 3 2005, 09:24 PM
dani41790   err kind of i guess. but im my opinion, people sta...   Apr 3 2005, 09:24 PM
electric shock   I still don't care.. I don't have sympathy...   Apr 3 2005, 09:26 PM
EmmalieV   NO , because after events like that people realize...   Apr 3 2005, 09:27 PM
lolthissiteisfunny   QUOTE(Emmaliev @ Apr 3 2005, 8:27 PM)NO , bec...   Apr 3 2005, 09:30 PM
Days Nearly Over   QUOTE(Emmaliev @ Apr 3 2005, 10:27 PM)NO , be...   Apr 3 2005, 09:31 PM
yukichan   QUOTE(Emmaliev @ Apr 3 2005, 4:27 PM)NO , bec...   Apr 3 2005, 10:12 PM
bby_cutie   QUOTE(Emmaliev @ Apr 3 2005, 9:27 PM)NO , bec...   Apr 4 2005, 05:50 PM
Solipsist   Yeah, but it was after 9/11 that you get the FBI a...   Apr 3 2005, 10:14 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(Solipsist @ Apr 3 2005, 10:14 PM)Yeah, ...   Apr 3 2005, 10:22 PM
glit_gal   Yeah it's kinda sad that we need a national di...   Apr 3 2005, 10:16 PM
ItzOnlySydney   yea its true.   Apr 4 2005, 12:56 AM
Litobabygurl88   I agree with what you're are saying And now ...   Apr 4 2005, 01:18 AM
toodlepops.   Haha, I noticed that too. And that's kinda sad...   Apr 4 2005, 01:37 AM
salcha   (shrug0 it still represents unity.   Apr 4 2005, 02:28 AM
L3d_Z3pp3l1n16   Some of the people in this thread just dont have a...   Apr 4 2005, 02:53 AM
tweeak   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Apr 3 2005, 10:22 PM)wurd. ...   Apr 4 2005, 09:08 AM
racoons > you   QUOTESome of the people in this thread just dont h...   Apr 4 2005, 11:24 AM
antix10_kos   paˇtriˇotˇism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ptr--t...   Apr 4 2005, 11:36 AM
daintyme   understandable. but i think we were all programmed...   Apr 4 2005, 12:56 PM
smthngcrprategrl34   your right. thousand of people didn't have to ...   Apr 4 2005, 02:07 PM
angel-roh   lol... i didnt realized that, but just thinking of...   Apr 4 2005, 02:30 PM
L3d_Z3pp3l1n16   MarchHare2UrAlice, being that you're not an am...   Apr 4 2005, 03:04 PM
tweeak   led zeppelin, being that you dont know james, i wo...   Apr 4 2005, 03:07 PM
racoons > you   ^^ that is precisely why i love nicki QUOTEMarch...   Apr 4 2005, 03:14 PM
L3d_Z3pp3l1n16   It's how i was raised. My parents and grandpa...   Apr 4 2005, 03:30 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(L3d_Z3pp3l1n16 @ Apr 4 2005, 3:30 PM)It...   Apr 4 2005, 04:38 PM
racoons > you   yes, but what you dont seem to realize is that whe...   Apr 4 2005, 03:31 PM
Miss[x]Tiff   I think its a matte rof a opinion. Before Sept. 11...   Apr 4 2005, 04:55 PM
mona lisa   I think people are still patriotic to their countr...   Apr 4 2005, 05:02 PM
xcaitlinx   lilangelgurlpnai...i agree completely. That's ...   Apr 4 2005, 05:07 PM
ermfermoo   WWII was mentioned on the other page. I am current...   Apr 4 2005, 05:07 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Apr 4 2005, 5:07 PM)WWII wa...   Apr 4 2005, 05:27 PM
funbobby   Who is the best then? with expenditures of $2...   Apr 4 2005, 05:36 PM


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