rights and religion Options

[innovation]

certain Islamic Fundamentalist nations currently have legislation that deprive women of social advancement-- for example, they don't allow women to leave the house without their husbands, drive, etc. also, education is not compulsory for girls in some nations. these laws (or lack of laws) have instilled the long-standing impression in some cultures that women are "inferior," thus making them more vulnerable to domestic violence, etc. in addition, they cannot participate political or get jobs; therefore, the nations' economic, social, and political development is stunted!

does the UN have the right to ask them to reevaluate their religious doctrines, keeping in mind the importance of women's rights? can the UN really infringe on their culture/religion like that, when human rights are at stake? help, you guys!

[sammi rules you]

i agree, of course. but in less socially progressive nations, nobody is used to having girls in schools. they might be harrassed, discouraged, etc, or subject to further violence because the males might think that they're attempting to rebel. even with such a law (it's stated as a UN suggestion in the Beijing Platform for Action), enforcement will be difficult...

however, it was a hard idea to process for most of our country that black people and white people should be in the same schools; but, we got over it. i think that, in their own time, the people in the country will come to realize that these women need rights. if the women don't have access to the media, then some man will realize it. it wasn't only women protesting for womens' rights here; it was men, too.

[innovation]

however, it was a hard idea to process for most of our country that black people and white people should be in the same schools; but, we got over it. i think that, in their own time, the people in the country will come to realize that these women need rights. if the women don't have access to the media, then some man will realize it. it wasn't only women protesting for womens' rights here; it was men, too.

america was built on the foundation of democracy; many other nations were not-- it was easier for us

[Spirited Away]

america was built on the foundation of democracy; many other nations were not-- it was easier for us

They must make changes then, so that it will be easier. This is not only a job for the UN, but for the citizens of that country. If the UN just came in and took over laws and regulation, that would be forcing a change instead of encouraging it. When you force a people who are prone to violence into doing something they do not like, they'll respond with violence. However, if the UN encourage change through education as I've said, these women can educate their children (males included). Such change is slow, but it is inevitable.

I do not like the idea of forcing someone to change their ways so drastically, and it's even worse to think that the change must be made within a short term period. For some, it's possible. For others, it's possible but it will involves battles upon battles. We can forgo unneccessary battles if change is subtle in this case.

but most women aren't even informed of their basic rights, and many have grown up in a home where inferiority was suggested. they're just taught that education and professional jobs aren't for women. they have little access to media, international media, even less, so i don't think that they're fully aware of their potentials and possibilites. but... if the UN requested that education be provided to girls (about their rights, etc.) in order to provide them with that choice, would that be another infringement upon culture?

That's why I said education is a key point in all this. It would be infringement upon culture, however, it would be the women of that culture who will make the change. The UN would be just encouraging it.

meh, i think that the US women had an advantage... women in some countries aren't even allowed to leave the house without their husbands. and they need motivation.. they have always been taught that they are weak and incompetent. that's why women's groups should be established. but the culture wouldn't allow them! they need some form of united action, but many women don't even have the right to assemble.

Yes, we did. That is why I said it could be dangerous for those women to try, but I also said to be free, they must make sacrifices, trial and error. Freedom is scarcely handed to us on a silver plater.

i agree, of course. but in less socially progressive nations, nobody is used to having girls in schools. they might be harrassed, discouraged, etc, or subject to further violence because the males might think that they're attempting to rebel. even with such a law (it's stated as a UN suggestion in the Beijing Platform for Action), enforcement will be difficult...

After a law enables schooling, instead of going into a public facility, an initial change could be schooling at home or at small gatherings. That way, they are not so much a "sore eye" to those who do not like the idea. At the very least, they could prevent, not all, but some violence.




Mindy, you're making me think too much , I'm supposed to be studying for my Stats exam tomorrow!!!

This topic is great though... a lot of times, American kids are so sheltered that they do not know what's beyond N.America.