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Gay Marriage, Do you support or oppose?
lemonlina
post May 26 2004, 05:54 PM
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I support gay marriage and I'm wondering what all your opinions are.

I live in MA and they just legalized it so isall good. xP
 
 
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sammi rules you
post Feb 23 2005, 05:32 PM
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why are you against it, fae? i would have expected the opposite blink.gif suppose i shouldn't assume.
 
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post Feb 23 2005, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Feb 23 2005, 5:32 PM)
why are you against it, fae? i would have expected the opposite blink.gif suppose i shouldn't assume.
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No, love, I'm neither for nor against.

Orginally, I was completely against when I was first exposed to the idea. Then, I talked to others about it. My Mom told me to just imagined myself in love with someone and having society shun us for being in love. I would be hurt and ashamed for loving someone.

I never thought myself a wholly good person, but I've never thought of myself as someone who can hurt others with my judgement nor as someone who would see love as unacceptable, forbidden.

I recognize love for what it is to myself and to others, therefore, I am not against the idea of homosexuality but I still need time to adjust to this concept as it IS different from our tradition. No matter what anyone says, marriage between man and man, woman and woman is different from what society deems as normal; but that DOES NOT mean that society cannot get used to it. This takes time.

However, as someone who was once against the idea all together, I know that not all who are against homosexuals mean to harm them. Those people are simply just not used to it and not yet ready to embrace change. Mostly likely, they do not understand the amount of pain they bring to those different from them. This DOES NOT make them completely ignorant, closed minded, or bad, it simply makes them slow to change.

The ones who truly deserve the brunt of attacks are those who mean to hurt, those who want to others to see love as a vile thing.

The great distinction from those who want to hurt others and those who do not know that their judgement hurts is that one group can be convinced to change while the other needs to seek peace with the world.

I'm not against, but it will take time for me to accept.
 
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post Feb 23 2005, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Feb 23 2005, 5:04 PM)
No, love, I'm neither for nor against. 

Orginally, I was completely against, that is, until I talked to others about it. My Mom told me to just imagined myself in love with someone and having society shun us for being in love. I would be hurt and ashamed for loving someone.

I never thought myself a wholly good person, but I've never thought of myself as someone who can hurt others with my judgement nor as someone who would see love as unacceptable, forbidden.

I recognize love for what it is to myself and to others, therefore, I am not against the idea of homosexuality but I still need time to adjust to this concept as it IS different from our tradition. No matter what anyone says, marriage between man and man, woman and woman is different from what society deems as normal; but that DOES NOT mean that society cannot get used to it. This takes time. 

However, as someone who was once against the idea all together, I know that not all who are against homosexuals mean to harm them. Those people are simply just not used to it and not yet ready to embrace change. Mostly likely, they do not understand the amount of pain they bring to those different from them. This DOES NOT make them completely ignorant, closed minded, or bad, it simply makes them slow to change.

The ones who truly deserve the brunt of attacks are those who mean to hurt, those who want to others to see love as a vile thing.

The great distinction from those who want to hurt others and those who do not know that their judgement hurts is that one group can be convinced to change while the other needs to seek peace with the world.

I'm not against, but it will take time for me to accept.
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quite true, but i usually just deem people as ignorant when their reasoning for thinking so is completely absurd. to me, at least. (not you, people that say "it's gross" or something..that's not a reason. _dry.gif)

besides, no one will get used to it if we don't let it happen. banning it will only make those not used to it never have a chance to.

for those whose reasoning i for religious reasons, why? if they sin, how does that affect you? if they get married, what does that do to you? sure, if you get invited to a gay marraige, don't go then but..why is it such a big deal if they get married? i understand why you're against homosexuality, but not against their marraiges.
 
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post Feb 23 2005, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Feb 23 2005, 6:08 PM)
quite true, but i usually just deem people as ignorant when their reasoning for thinking so is completely absurd. to me, at least. (not you, people that say "it's gross" or something..that's not a reason. _dry.gif)
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Most of those whose reasoning is that it's "gross" are indeed ignorant (or immature rather), but I have faith (in humanity) that their opinions can change if only they realize the pain that such words bring to another person. How that can be accomplished, I do not know.

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besides, no one will get used to it if we don't let it happen. banning it will only make those not used to it never have a chance to.


Again, I have faith (in humanity) that the banning will not hold for long. If it does, the most likely source is the religiously zealous mass that strives for continuance of this persecution under the pretense of doing work for a Higher Power.

But even if that is the case, most of these people aren't completely wrong for believing as they do. It is the fault of those who put the idea that love can be so wrong into the minds of others, and so they are the ones who should be called the most foul of names.

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for those whose reasoning i for religious reasons, why? if they sin, how does that affect you? if they get married, what does that do to you? sure, if you get invited to a gay marraige, don't go then but..why is it such a big deal if they get married? i understand why you're against homosexuality, but not against their marraiges.


I think it has been explained that they are not against homosexuals, but they are against the act of homosexuality.
 

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Spirited Away   Just to let you know, as soon as one of the modera...   May 26 2004, 06:00 PM
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