is it animal cruelty? Options

[CrimsonArchangel]

No, this is not about fur, or wool or anything like that.

Its about science. Many of you have had to dissect several creatures for bio class, most likely. Today I had to do the frog ringer lab, where a frog has its brain removed (is it really dead?) and then we have to dissect it and add chemicals to its heart to see what happens, then add a third one that will kill it.

Now I ask. Despite the fact that many of those animals are bred for that purpose, "to further science", should we use animals as dissection subjects? Or should we just make plastic models and the such?

Is it animal cruelty to breed animals for the purpose of being cut up by students just to learn?

[sadolakced acid]

The last post was just too long for an edit to add more; plus this is a different arguemnt.

Really? I didn't know that... just to satisfy my curiosity, cann you prove this?

And about cosmetics... I really don't see how they can benefit human life... I'm not against them, mind you. I do use foundation just to cover some scars I have in my face... is that what you mean by cosmetics being beneficial? To preserve a person's self conciousness?

she said "benefit a human's life"

cosmetics industry provides jobs to many.
it doens't save lives, it doesn't cure disabilities. But that wasn't the requirement.


i won't defend the use of cosmtics- i think they're stupid. i just think they must be tested as long as they're used.

Bah, I'm a major animal supporter and I think it's very unfair to do dissections. I'm dreading highschool or whenever I'm going to have to dissect an animal. I'm not going to give a whole speech, but I really think people are being profusely narrow-minded. They think it's okay to torture animals because they can't fight back. If animals could talk and tell us how they felt, perhaps we would compromise, but for now we take advantage of our powers and use innocent creatures as subject of experimentation. They use monkeys for laboratory testing and don't at all think it's wrong. Bottom line, I'm against dissection, animal testing, or animal abuse in anyway. 

or are you? refer to my previous post. next time, consider that shampoo you're using, even if it says never tested on animals.

I already said a lot of misled people exist. Just like misled people exist on your side of the story (I'd like to see some proof as well.. of your shampoo argument. I use Garnier Fructis, if that helps). Just the same, a lot are NOT misled. We have our own strong beliefs. This is just petty business to you, but this is one of my passions. I believe just one animal's life is worth saving, and that NONE... or as little as possible... should be sacrificed for our own good. (A lion comes charging at you, you shoot him. Fine. That's defense, leading us back to the need for survival).

And I strongly... strongly doubt people test the computer I'm using on animals -.-;;

I think we both agree life is sacred. The difference between you and me is that I believe a human is no more valuable than an "animal's", whereas you seem to believe a human's life should be upheld (even for a "perv's" benefit....). I don't aree with you. If you don't agree with me.... then okay.

My bottom line is that I'd choose to save an animal's life over a person's self-image and self-enlightenment.

I'm done here.

come on... it's debate. the point is to argue.

i don't believe a human's life is always better. it was just the question of would it benifit a human, and yes all those things would.

you have beliefs and i'm not trying to change that. I respect those beliefs, i'm just saying it's nearly impossible to hold completely true to them, even if you exclude testing for medicenes.

I do belive a human's life is worth more than an animal's. I don't want to mistreat animals, i'm not advocating kicking dogs. it's just my belief that humans are better than the rest of the animals, just as i belive a lion is better than a zebra, and a bird better than a worm, and a spider better than a fly.

and yes, i don't really think your computer is tested on animals... but how would you know? it very well could have. If you have a cell phone, that has been tested on rats, so why not a computer?

read the bottom of your keyboard. (there should be a warning there. if not, go find another keyboard)

they say that it might cause cancer.

how did they find out it causes cancer? animal testing most likely...