war in iraq Options

[brian_deegan]

do you support it or no?

[dani41790]

i dont support da war in iraq

[xplicitmizz23]

i dont support war. period.

[poisonedxivy]

nope ... don't support it =x

[tkproduce]

doesn't bother me

[*kryogenix*]

I support it. And i'll state a reason too, unlike the previous posts. I support it because I believe the world is going to be a safer place.

[starling]

I support it too. I think it was something that needed to be done, be it now or later.

[*instantmusic*]

I support the troops in Iraq. Not the war.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

ew war in iraq? no support from me at all! i mean .. the bush administration says were going in there to "help" them.. wtf? right.. everyone knows were in there for oil.. i mean.. dick cheny our vice president use to be the CEO of a major oil company.. and were not in there for oil? please.. it seems like a load of shizle to me! ugh...

[*Kathleen*]

Hey, I support it simply because I don't want to see any more American civilians dying here, like September 11.

I mean, there are other reasons, but I'll post this later if someone else refutes this.

[tkproduce]

Hey, I support it simply because I don't want to see any more American civilians dying here, like September 11.

I mean, there are other reasons, but I'll post this later if someone else refutes this.

isn't that a bit selfish (saying that you don't want AMERICANS dying)?

[fiji_kid]

i am just over the fence.. lol.. the side the wind will blow i will move to that side..lol

[dasturbd]

I definitely support it, and all those that don't at least SUPPORT THE TROOPS...should just give up their rights to be free now. Don't get in a tizzy now...I said support the troops, not the war.

I support the war because whether or not there were WOMD (weapons of mass destruction)...Suddam needed to be taken down...period!

[dasturbd]

ew war in iraq? no support from me at all! i mean .. the bush administration says were going in there to "help" them.. wtf? right.. everyone knows were in there for oil.. i mean.. dick cheny our vice president use to be the CEO of a major oil company.. and were not in there for oil? please.. it seems like a load of shizle to me! ugh...

Is that why the price of gas is skyrocketing out the roof?? Think again

[*Kathleen*]

isn't that a bit selfish (saying that you don't want AMERICANS dying)?

What? You would have them killed? I bolded it because I know there are Americans dying right now because they're fighting the war. Now, realize those people went voluntarily. I mean, would you rather us [b]ignore[/i] what was happening there, and let them attack us like that? Something needed to be done. Futhermore, war is a horrible thing, but it needs to be done. Come on - you wouldn't be sitting there, happily in your little chair with a computer right now if it wasn't for wars. Unless of course, you don't live in the United States, but that's besides the point. Those people are fighting for our country, so that people that live in it (probably yourself) don't have to cower in fear, paranoid that someone's going to attack us on our homeland.

[stryker76]

I do not support the war at all....but i support our troops...

Me Opinion:
There really was no reason to go into Iraq at that time in history....the piggest reason we went there was to make someone pay for 9/11....Iraq had no weapons of Mass Destruction....that was the original reason to go over there....they where disarming....but the few weapons for still together where too much for them.....I believe that our troops need to be home in there houses with there family.....and if nething we need to be goin after Bin Laden....he is the one that Attack our country.....He is the One that Destroyed a national Icon......He is the one responsible for Thousands of died American People.......

On the other hand Operation Iraqi Freedom needed to be done...yes i do not deny that....but i do think that it was the wrong time to be in there....it should have waited until after Bin Laden was found.....

[dasturbd]

I do not support the war at all....but i support our troops...

Me Opinion:
There really was no reason to go into Iraq at that time in history....the piggest reason we went there was to make someone pay for 9/11....Iraq had no weapons of Mass Destruction....that was the original reason to go over there....they where disarming....but the few weapons for still together where too much for them.....I believe that our troops need to be home in there houses with there family.....and if nething we need to be goin after Bin Laden....he is the one that Attack our country.....He is the One that Destroyed a national Icon......He is the one responsible for Thousands of died American People.......

On the other hand Operation Iraqi Freedom needed to be done...yes i do not deny that....but i do think that it was the wrong time to be in there....it should have waited until after Bin Laden was found.....

There is no "right" time and as for Bin laden, don't you think that's 1/2 the reason were still over there.

[*Kathleen*]

Yeah...he still hasn't been found... Should we have came back, and stayed in our country, waiting for him to attack us again, and have us go over there again to find him? That doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, yeah, I want the troops to come back as much as I do, but they're not finished yet.

[tkproduce]

this sounds like people are saying the life of an American soldier is far more important than the lives of innocent iraqi civilians

"One death is a trajedy, a million deaths is a statistic" - Josef Stalin. Maybe he was right

[*Kathleen*]

What about you? You don't seem to think defending one's own country is important.

[*kryogenix*]

ew war in iraq? no support from me at all! i mean .. the bush administration says were going in there to "help" them.. wtf? right.. everyone knows were in there for oil.. i mean.. dick cheny our vice president use to be the CEO of a major oil company.. and were not in there for oil? please.. it seems like a load of shizle to me! ugh...

prove it. it's only a conspiracy theory until you can prove it.

guess what, i think we're there to keep America safe. I'm sick of these anti Bush people. Sometimes they say he holds his religious values too much, then they think he values oil over american blood. George W. Bush wants Americans to be safe, that's why we're in Iraq.

isn't that a bit selfish (saying that you don't want AMERICANS dying)?

umm, how is that selfish? do you want Americans to die?

Is that why the price of gas is skyrocketing out the roof?? Think again

yeah, they're going up. but luckily, OPEC won't be able to buy political power with their oil thanks to hybrid cars. But if John Kerry is elected, oil prices will go even higher because he'll tax gas.

I do not support the war at all....but i support our troops...

Me Opinion:
There really was no reason to go into Iraq at that time in history....the piggest reason we went there was to make someone pay for 9/11....Iraq had no weapons of Mass Destruction....that was the original reason to go over there....they where disarming....but the few weapons for still together where too much for them.....I believe that our troops need to be home in there houses with there family.....and if nething we need to be goin after Bin Laden....he is the one that Attack our country.....He is the One that Destroyed a national Icon......He is the one responsible for Thousands of died American People.......

On the other hand Operation Iraqi Freedom needed to be done...yes i do not deny that....but i do think that it was the wrong time to be in there....it should have waited until after Bin Laden was found.....

don't be a wise ass. when you are ask if you support the war, you are really being asked if you support the war effort. If Iraq had no weapons, what did they use to gas the Kurds? why did we find bleached chemical trailers? why did Saddam not allow inspectors in? What about the Al-Samoud 2 missles that Saddam said he would not destroy if the US declared war? Do you think we gave up the hunt for Bin Laden? HECK NO. We just sent elite special forces to find him.

this sounds like people are saying the life of an American soldier is far more important than the lives of innocent iraqi civilians

"One death is a trajedy, a million deaths is a statistic" - Josef Stalin. Maybe he was right

may i remind you that iraqi soldiers have probably killed more civilians than US soldiers have? is a civilian still a civilian when he picks up a gun and fires at the troops? saddam tried to use civilians as human shields.

[LinknPrk__003]

I only support the soilders in iraq notr the war going on.My cuz just got back from thier

[stryker76]

I think we need to pull out of iraq....the people can deal with it there selves.....if countries where not ignorant then Saddam wouldnt have been in power in the first place.....yeah you say he forced his way....no he got there by workin his way there then used force to stay there.....and as for your elites in afghanstan.....show f**kin hard is it to find an old man on Diallesis(sp)....we need to put our soilders over to find him let the Iraqi people figure things out on there own....bring our troops home.....

[kevinma03]

We should have went into North Korea before we went into Iraq.

[*kryogenix*]

I think we need to pull out of iraq....the people can deal with it there selves.....if countries where not ignorant then Saddam wouldnt have been in power in the first place.....yeah you say he forced his way....no he got there by workin his way there then used force to stay there.....and as for your elites in afghanstan.....show f**kin hard is it to find an old man on Diallesis(sp)....we need to put our soilders over to find him let the Iraqi people figure things out on there own....bring our troops home.....

ok. let's leave Iraq BEFORE A STABLE GOVERNMENT IS SET UP. that'll be real great. let's leave them to fend for themselves with almost daily terror attacks.


dude, do you think the troops are not trying their best to find osama? you think they enjoy staying in a desert or hunting through mountains and caves? Afghanistan is a large area. It'll be very dificult to find him.

[dasturbd]

We should have went into North Korea before we went into Iraq.

Oh I dont think so...
Iraq needed to be taken care of ASAP. The issues with N. korea scare me a hell of alot more than anything that Iraq could do.

[dasturbd]

I think we need to pull out of iraq....the people can deal with it there selves.....if countries where not ignorant then Saddam wouldnt have been in power in the first place.....yeah you say he forced his way....no he got there by workin his way there then used force to stay there.....and as for your elites in afghanstan.....show f**kin hard is it to find an old man on Diallesis(sp)....we need to put our soilders over to find him let the Iraqi people figure things out on there own....bring our troops home.....

ok this entire statement is just naive...

Other countries are not like us. We, in the U.S. are kept in the dark about many things as far as Govt. goes, and thats basically for our own good (believe it or not)...people in other countries are kept entirely in the dark and it's not for their own good, it's because their Govt. wants them to be ignorant and to believe there is NO OTHER WAY.

Suddam worked his way up to the top for sure, by first off being nothing more than a peon that killed, not so much cuz he "had" to but because he enjoyed the hell out of it.

Was it all the Germans' faults for what Hitler and Stalin did??

As for finding "the old man on dialysis"...it's not like our guys are in their "hood". There's caves inside of caves there...literally holes in the side of a hill. When was the last time you found a needle in a haystack??

[*kryogenix*]

We should have went into North Korea before we went into Iraq.

we haven't exhausted diplomatic solutions with NK. We have with Iraq. in fact, NK is talking about dismantling their nuke program.

[xjjajeengx]

wow kyro, you know so much.

anyways, i personally dont support any kind of war (i didnt at first) but in a way, i guess there was no choice. i mean, what was the U.S suppose to do, stand back and watch them hurt our country? I dont know... i guess Bush did the right thing, although i dont agree with all of his tactics and such, but I support that he didnt just stand back and let our country be harmed by foreigners.
Also, even if i dont want to support the war, i feel that i kind of have to because my cousin was in iraq for a very long time. He is my oldest cousin, and I have really funny memories with him... and I felt really sad when he left and i didnt even find out until a month later. I do support our troops (my cousin is a pastor in the marines now)

dude, do you think the troops are not trying their best to find osama? you think they enjoy staying in a desert or hunting through mountains and caves? Afghanistan is a large area. It'll be very dificult to find him.

very true. I'm so proud of our troops... they're so awesome...

this sounds like people are saying the life of an American soldier is far more important than the lives of innocent iraqi civilians

Well, American soldiers volunteer to protect our country and fight for us... even if it means death. I consider that really heroic... and so i really really care about them..
and as for the iraqis, i pray for them every night.
its not that i dont care about them, because i do... i bet there are many children dieing as well... but its hard to think of them when you're thinking about the many soldiers dieing and how Saddam is so frikken #$%^@#$%... i guess it's just a lack of consideration (i am so guilty) and especially when you see terrorists and stuff killing people and soliders, i get really mad to the point where i just forget about the civilians i guess.... i cant explain it.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

prove it. it's only a conspiracy theory until you can prove it.

guess what, i think we're there to keep America safe. I'm sick of these anti Bush people. Sometimes they say he holds his religious values too much, then they think he values oil over american blood. George W. Bush wants Americans to be safe, that's why we're in Iraq.

okay.. right george bush wants americans to be safe? dang its sad how blind people can be to the truth..
remember when he said that there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq? right.. remember how many weapons of mass destruction we found.. thats right..zero.. we have 1000's of weapons inspectors in iraq theres NO WAY they wouldnt be able to find them if they were REALLY there.. the bush administration is lying to the people.. do u not see that? crazy kids..
you want to talk to me about bush wanting people to be safe.. yea.. click this.. then we can talk..

[tkproduce]

I don't see why the American government can say that it's alright for them to have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction while it's totally wrong for any other country to have them unless they've allied with them. They're scared of them being used? Well, as far as I'm aware, the only time a nuclear weapon was used to kill people was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which the Americans themselves dropped, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

I don't have a firm belief on which "side" of the argument I'm on, but since quite a lot of you seem to be arguing pro-American, I'm just suggesting some other points of view.

[starling]

as long as there are other countries with nuclear weapons, you think the US is going to give them up? sure. let's get rid of all the nukes while other countries who harbor animosity against us still have them. i'm not so sure that's a good idea.

[dasturbd]

I don't see why the American government can say that it's alright for them to have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction while it's totally wrong for any other country to have them unless they've allied with them. They're scared of them being used? Well, as far as I'm aware, the only time a nuclear weapon was used to kill people was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which the Americans themselves dropped, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

I don't have a firm belief on which "side" of the argument I'm on, but since quite a lot of you seem to be arguing pro-American, I'm just suggesting some other points of view.

First off, there is a huge difference between a nuclear bomb and an atomic bomb. Had we dropped a "nuke" they would cease to exist and so would all life there. The magnitude of a blast from a Nuke would have wiped Japan itself off the map.

Secondly, it was pretty much revenge for Pearl Harbor and the attack on our men at Battleship row. No sorrow for those that died that day??

It's one thing to posses nukes, but to actually use them is another. We form alliances and have peace treaties for a reason. The nuke is simply a scare tactic. Many countries have them, not just the U.S.; however, it's unlikely that anyone would really use them, but to at least say that they (countries) have one, so they may all stand toe to toe with eachother. It's like a stare down.

You then come in contact with the unreasonable, the Kamikazes so to say. The ones that don't give a crap about human life, even their own. These people may just pull a trump card and decide to push their "red button" one day...and we just simply can't allow that.

When it comes to nukes and the rules of engagement for possessing/using them, it's not just about saving mankind in the U.S., it's about saving mankind period.

[angel-roh]

iono...-_-;; but i reallie wana help those ppls who are suffering from pain-_-;; i feel bad for them.. i mean hello??? president bush is the one who wanted the war...-_-;; i feel bad for the lil kids who were in the bomb incident-_--;; i feel bad... im serious like in broken heart-_-;; i wana try and help them!! T_T;;

[dasturbd]

okay.. right george bush wants americans to be safe? dang its sad how blind people can be to the truth..
remember when he said that there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq? right.. remember how many weapons of mass destruction we found.. thats right..zero.. we have 1000's of weapons inspectors in iraq theres NO WAY they wouldnt be able to find them if they were REALLY there.. the bush administration is lying to the people.. do u not see that? crazy kids..
you want to talk to me about bush wanting people to be safe.. yea.. click this.. then we can talk..

Propaganda at it's finest

[starling]

okay.. right george bush wants americans to be safe? dang its sad how blind people can be to the truth..
remember when he said that there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq? right.. remember how many weapons of mass destruction we found.. thats right..zero.. we have 1000's of weapons inspectors in iraq theres NO WAY they wouldnt be able to find them if they were REALLY there.. the bush administration is lying to the people.. do u not see that? crazy kids..
you want to talk to me about bush wanting people to be safe.. yea.. click this.. then we can talk..

would you rather that we hadn't gone into Iraq and found nothing? or would you rather we had satyed our butts home, twiddling our thumbs, and then maybe there's the possibility that someone did have something. and then what?

[*Kathleen*]

Well, as far as I'm aware, the only time a nuclear weapon was used to kill people was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which the Americans themselves dropped, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

Adding to what dasturbd said above, did we not go back and help them?! America is one of those countries who care, unlike if another country were to attack us with bombs, they would most likely have no remorse. That's the thing - countries envy us so much because we have so much power. If they have a chance to actually harm us badly, do you honestly think they're going to look back and say, "Wow, that was wrong - we should help out" ?! No, I don't think so.

[tkproduce]

You then come in contact with the unreasonable, the Kamikazes so to say. The ones that don't give a crap about human life, even their own. These people may just pull a trump card and decide to push their "red button" one day...and we just simply can't allow that.

First of all, that's a misunderstanding about Kamikaze. Japanese men sacrificed their own lives for their country and for their emperor. Now, from a Christian or "modern" point of view, that seems "wrong" because the belief in western countries is to respect your own life. However, what a lot of western people don't seem to understand is the cultural gap between themselves and other countries. In a lot of Asian countries, people like to work as a group, rather than show individuality, and have a leader to which they honor. Whether people regard this as "primative" or "unfair" is another problem.

The Vietnam War, for example - the people there were poor and were about to be ruled by a communist government, but were they unhappy? I'm sure they were happier before their whole country was being bombed by napalm and Agent Orange by the Allies who believed that the Vietnamese would be "happier" living in a western culture. And what's the result? A totally useless war wasting a lot of lives and money - sort of like what this war in Iraq is ending up to be.

Another thing, catching Bin Laden and punishing him will NOT change anything. Terrorism doesn't work like that. Destroying one organisation will just give rise to another, as long as there's hate - and believe me, there's alot of it out there. I say, catching Bin Laden would just make things worse, because he's got a legendary status in the middle east.

[*Kathleen*]

First of all, that's a misunderstanding about Kamikaze. Japanese men sacrificed their own lives for their country and for their emperor. Now, from a Christian or "modern" point of view, that seems "wrong" because the belief in western countries is to respect your own life. However, what a lot of western people don't seem to understand is the cultural gap between themselves and other countries. In a lot of Asian countries, people like to work as a group, rather than show individuality, and have a leader to which they honor. Whether people regard this as "primative" or "unfair" is another problem.

The Vietnam War, for example - the people there were poor and were about to be ruled by a communist government, but were they unhappy? I'm sure they were happier before their whole country was being bombed by napalm and Agent Orange by the Allies who believed that the Vietnamese would be "happier" living in a western culture. And what's the result? A totally useless war wasting a lot of lives and money - sort of like what this war in Iraq is ending up to be.

Another thing, catching Bin Laden and punishing him will NOT change anything. Terrorism doesn't work like that. Destroying one organisation will just give rise to another, as long as there's hate - and believe me, there's alot of it out there. I say, catching Bin Laden would just make things worse, because he's got a legendary status in the middle east.

First off, are the American troops out there in Iraq not fighting for their country? Because previous wars were fought, we have rights and freedoms now that we didn't have before. What do you mean?! There are plenty of people in this country that stand up for it, respecting it every single day. There are people fighting to protect it right now! That's what we're talking about, right?

How is this war wasting lives? Okay, let's say this war were to never happen - Saddam would still be in power, killing off dozens of innocent people every single hour. That's not wasting lives, is it? Oh no, not at all. That's exactly what I'm getting from you. Furthermore, Saddam would've found some way or other to harm our country even more because he knew we were still mourning from 9-11, and were at one of our weakest periods.

Catching Bin Laden and punishing him will not change anything, eh? That's a nice thought. How about the fact that if we catch him, he'll no longer have the ability to plot attacks against the United States! I suppose you didn't think about that. Another thing, by punishing him, it'll show his followers not to mess with us. Yeah, you're right - all hate and evil can't be exterminated. We can try the best we can though, right? What do you want us to do? Give up because hate exists?

[tkproduce]

wow. chill. I'm just trying to suggest another point of view to this topic, not have a major, full-blown, argument.

I don't have anything against the individual Allied soldiers fighting out there because I believe that they believe that they're fighting for a just cause - for their country and for their family. Similarly, all the individual Iraqi soldiers are doing exactly the same - fighting for their country and loved ones. The evil is behind the masterminds of the war, not the individual fighters involved in it.

You say about "at least we're trying", but I'm just asking what would justify "at least we're trying" if it goes all wrong like it did in Vietnam?

About Bin Laden, these people are not afraid of dying or being punished for the sake of harming the Americans who they DETEST with all their heart. The argument of trying to get rid of evil by having a war sort of sounds contradictory and it doesn't make sense to me. Why not spend the billions of dollars of money spent on the war on more important stuff like improving the education system, preventing road accidents (which kill more than Bin Laden will ever do) or feed the poor?

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

Propaganda at it's finest

haha right..thats propaganda? sheesh.. look at your president and the whole bush administration.. there the true definition of propaganda.. ugh.. it makes me sick..

would you rather that we hadn't gone into Iraq and found nothing? or would you rather we had satyed our butts home, twiddling our thumbs, and then maybe there's the possibility that someone did have something. and then what?

psh.. im NOT saying that going in there looking for weapons were bad.. the point i was getting at was that bush is lying to us! in his state of the union adress he stated that iraq had weapons of mass destruction.. and all i said was that they didnt.. therefore proving bush lied to us..
geez..

[dasturbd]

wow. chill. I'm just trying to suggest another point of view to this topic, not have a major, full-blown, argument.

I don't have anything against the individual Allied soldiers fighting out there because I believe that they believe that they're fighting for a just cause - for their country and for their family.  Similarly, all the individual Iraqi soldiers are doing exactly the same - fighting for their country and loved ones.  The evil is behind the masterminds of the war, not the individual fighters involved in it.

You say about "at least we're trying", but I'm just asking what would justify "at least we're trying" if it goes all wrong like it did in Vietnam?

About Bin Laden, these people are not afraid of dying or being punished for the sake of harming the Americans who they DETEST with all their heart.  The argument of trying to get rid of evil by having a war sort of sounds contradictory and it doesn't make sense to me.  Why not spend the billions of dollars of money spent on the war on more important stuff like improving the education system, preventing road accidents (which kill more than Bin Laden will ever do) or feed the poor?

as far as Vietnam goes, I don't put it and the current situation in the same book. We are in Iraq as a direct result of things that happened on our own soil...huge difference there.

Oh btw...my mention of Kamikazes above was not a pun intended towards the japanes, only towards a way of thinking.

Furthermore, we do need to spend some well deserved money into the education system, but not at the expense of the military. What good is education if you're dead.

[dasturbd]

haha right..thats propaganda? sheesh.. look at your president and the whole bush administration.. there the true definition of propaganda.. ugh.. it makes me sick..



psh.. im NOT saying that going in there looking for weapons were bad.. the point i was getting at was that bush is lying to us! in his state of the union adress he stated that iraq had weapons of mass destruction.. and all i said was that they didnt.. therefore proving bush lied to us..
geez..

Bush Lies, Clinton Lied, and god forbid if Kerry's dumb@ss gets into office...he will lie too, and do you know why

BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!! they want to think that everything is just peaches and roses.

Heck the opinions stated in this very thread can be considered propaganda. the link you showed is just another form of it, and to say that all of our weapons used in IRAQ caused all those deformations that your link showed is absurd when you consider what their own people have done to them.

[tkproduce]

oh, I don't know - don't care anymore... f*ck it. Just pay your taxes and let the government spend it on bombing Iraqis and Afghans and everyone who hates America and we'll all be happy.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

haha man.. with every new post this argument gets funnier.. geez.. i dont even have the energy to argue anymore...

[juliar]

Bush Lies, Clinton Lied, and god forbid if Kerry's dumb@ss gets into office...he will lie too, and do you know why

BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!  they want to think that everything is just peaches and roses.

Heck the opinions stated in this very thread can be considered propaganda.  the link you showed is just another form of it, and to say that all of our weapons used in IRAQ caused all those deformations that your link showed is absurd when you consider what their own people have done to them.

Every president lies. But the thing is that only people like BUSH get CAUGHT lying. That is why we blame him.
And he is too DUMB to evade the catching of him..
And no, I don't support this. Let's go bashing all the way into Iraq to "look for WOMD." But hey, we didn't find anything. Why are there people in there? Iraqians [?] and Americans die each day THERE. For what?

[Spirited Away]

The Vietnam War, for example - the people there were poor and were about to be ruled by a communist government, but were they unhappy? I'm sure they were happier before their whole country was being bombed by napalm and Agent Orange by the Allies who believed that the Vietnamese would be "happier" living in a western culture. And what's the result? A totally useless war wasting a lot of lives and money - sort of like what this war in Iraq is ending up to be.

Since you took the liberty to clear up misconceptions with the Kamikazes, I feel like I have to clear up some misconception you might have about the Vietnam War.

Vietnam was NOT poor in the days before Communist regime. Even though we wanted independence from France badly, we were NOT poor. And YES, people in the south were UNHAPPY with the communists! Why else would we began a decade of civil warfare? We knew the consequences of war! People are not so ignorant as to not knowing that there will be casualties. The Southerners supported a democratic government, why else would there be mass migration to America? Most of us enjoy western culture.

Yes, that war wasted lives and money, but we were fighting for our freedom and we felt that it was honorable. Please DO NOT say that we fought that bloody war for nothing.

Another thing, catching Bin Laden and punishing him will NOT change anything. Terrorism doesn't work like that. Destroying one organisation will just give rise to another, as long as there's hate - and believe me, there's alot of it out there. I say, catching Bin Laden would just make things worse, because he's got a legendary status in the middle east.

Okay, then lets stop tracking him down and let him roam free to do more fatal damage to the world's population.
Punishing him will bring satisfaction, and will set an example for terrorist wanna-bes that America is not to be trifled with.

I, for once, will feel safer if the world is rid of that one terrorist.

[juliar]

Okay, then lets stop tracking him down and let him roam free to do more fatal damage to the world's population.
Punishing him will bring satisfaction, and will set an example for terrorist wanna-bes that America is not to be trifled with.

I, for once, will feel safer if the world is rid of that one terrorist.

One terrorist, you realize how many more can crash a 747 into the Sears Tower? Empire State? White House? Capitol? It will not set an example because guess what? History is repeated over and over.

[Spirited Away]

One terrorist, you realize how many more can crash a 747 into the Sears Tower? Empire State? White House? Capitol? It will not set an example because guess what? History is repeated over and over.

*sigh*, what i meant is that i will feel safer knowing that at least one terrorist is gone.

It will not set an example because guess what? History is repeated over and over.

Okay, so lets DO NOTHING to stop it?

You can put some effort into doing something and fail, but still be proud that you know you tried.

If you don't try and fail, well, the situation speaks for itself.

[Mireh]

I seriously think that the US should just keep out of other nations businesses. Why should we help other countries when we have so many problems here already?

[Spirited Away]

I seriously think that the US should just keep out of other nations businesses. Why should we help other countries when we have so many problems here already?

Because we can't leave those problems alone.

United States is no long independent. We used to be in isolation during WWI/WWII and many went against engagement in the Wars, but since then, United States is no longer self-sufficient.

Since the two WW, US has become one of the world's largest debtors. We now depend on globalization to keep our economy stabilized, therefore, the world's problem is our problem.

[juliar]

Because we can't leave those problems alone.

United States is no long independent. We used to be in isolation during WWI/WWII and many went against engagement in the Wars, but since then, United States is no longer self-sufficient.

Since the two WW, US has become one of the world's largest debtors. We now depend on globalization to keep our economy stabilized, therefore, the world's problem is our problem.

Aiya, why does the world's problem have to be ours? Why not, instead of killing fully grown people, we spend some money to help the homeless. Put our money to a better use? We depend on others for others to live, yet we are "independent"?

[Spirited Away]

Aiya, why does the world's problem have to be ours? Why not, instead of killing fully grown people, we spend some money to help the homeless. Put our money to a better use? We depend on others for others to live, yet we are "independent"?

Umm, we do have welfare and there are many organizations that helps the homeless. If you care about them, then why not devote yourself to that cause, I know I do. I don't expect the governement to do everything.

What's your definition of better use? I say that keep Americans safe from Terrorist groups and putting prevention measures agaisnt them are pretty darn good uses.

[juliar]

Umm, we do have welfare and there are many organizations that helps the homeless. If you care about them, then why not devote yourself to that cause, I know I do. I don't expect the governement to do everything.

What's your definition of better use? I say that keep Americans safe from Terrorist groups and putting prevention measures agaisnt them are pretty darn good uses.

First, we should take care of all the knots in our society. All those innocent jailers, everything. Then, we kill terrorists.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

haha okay..
first of all.. we are NOT and i repeat NOT in iraq to "help" ive said this before and i'll say it again.. were in there for oil.. if america cared sooo much and really wanted to help the world there are SO many other places in this world that could use our help WAY more than iraq. but do u want to know why were in iraq? because they have something we want.. oil. geez.. bush used september 11 to his advantage to get into iraq. ... he was going to go in there anyway and 9/11 gave him a reason.. man oh man. sometimes this country disgusts me.

[Spirited Away]

First, we should take care of all the knots in our society. All those innocent jailers, everything. Then, we kill terrorists.

innocent jailers? sorry i'm confused...

but i like your way of thinking about those terrorists .

[Spirited Away]

we are NOT and i repeat NOT in iraq to "help" ive said this before and i'll say it again.. were in there for oil.. if america cared sooo much and really wanted to help the world there are SO many other places in this world that could use our help WAY more than iraq. but do u want to know why were in iraq? because they have something we want.. oil. geez.. bush used september 11 to his advantage to get into iraq. ... he was going to go in there anyway and 9/11 gave him a reason.. man oh man. sometimes this country disgusts me.

name some of those places that we can help out, and i'll tell you whether or not we've tried.

it's no phenomenon that US is looking out for its own best interest,

every country

is there for their own best interest. That's why NATO is nervous about US involvement and that's also why France is angry at the US.

okay, so maybe that much oil in one place is really turning on our greed demons. but i'm sure i'll not be the only one freaking out if i wake up one day to find the price of oil has sky-rocketed.

And it disgusts me when people only look at the bad side of government.

[x0xcrzybabyx0x]

haha.. alright.. *sigh* .. here we go again..

name some of those places that we can help out, and i'll tell you whether or not we've tried.

okay like any country in africa! ..

okay, so maybe that much oil in one place is really turning on our greed demons. but i'm sure i'll not be the only one freaking out if i wake up one day to find the price of oil has sky-rocketed.

if we dont want high gas prices then we can look for alternate ways to run cars.. like hydrogen etc.. if we stopped using all of our money in iraq maybe we could use that money to put in research for alternate ways..

And it disgusts me when people only look at the bad side of government.

im not only looking at the bad side of our government.. i mean yes in this situation of the war in iraq yes.. of course i am because i disagree COMPLETELY with it.. but in other ways i think our goverment is great..

[Spirited Away]

okay like any country in africa! ..

Funny that you mentioned Africa, because that's one of the most obvious places that US have helped. It makes me wonder if you keep up with the news much.

Well, off of my head, there are American programs in Africa to help contain AIDS and to provide for those in poverty. A friend, who's studying med, is getting sponsor to go to Africa for her internship to help in those organizations.

Have you ever heard of the American Red Cross? Do you know about their extensive involvement in Africa?

Yea, I realize that usually private charity organizations are the ones to help out, but do you realize that if we do not have a democratic government, none of that would be possible? If our government is so bad, then it wouldn't consider lending a helping hand at all.

if we dont want high gas prices then we can look for alternate ways to run cars.. like hydrogen etc.. if we stopped using all of our money in iraq maybe we could use that money to put in research for alternate ways..

Sure, we can do all that, and ignore the immenent danger of terrorism.

im not only looking at the bad side of our government.. i mean yes in this situation of the war in iraq yes.. of course i am because i disagree COMPLETELY with it.. but in other ways i think our goverment is great..

oh, okay, sorry i misunderstood you there for a moment.

[*Kathleen*]

first of all.. we are NOT and i repeat NOT in iraq to "help"

Adding to what Aiya (that's your name, right?) said...Okay, so you think we're just in there to get oil, huh? Catching Saddam Hussein wasn't helping our country? Extracting all of that dictator's power from that country isn't helping? If that's not helping, I don't know what is.

[tkproduce]

okay, let's admit it

level of importance from an individual person's point of view:

family and close relatives>friends/distant relatives>friends' friends etc.>people from your own country.... and so on. Starving people in Africa and wounded innocent civilians in Iraq are pretty low down on this list.

Most of us are too busy worrying about the people around us and couldn't care less about people that we don't know about. That's just human nature and I'm not saying there's anything wrong about it because sometimes that's the way I feel. I mean, we could sit on our asses in front of a computer and argue about the morals of having or not having a war all day in this forum, but how many of us are actually going to do anything about it? If someone did, what are the chances of him/her making any difference?

[*Kathleen*]

Well, if I could, I would vote, and that would be doing something about it. Or, last year in school, we helped troops out by sending care packages to them. Schools everywhere are helping out our troops, and is that not doing something about it? Being active in your community, actually speaking up to things about this is doing something about it. What do you mean? Every person makes a difference!

[m@dcow]

we started it why?

[*Kathleen*]

Umm...to defend our country from Saddam...for one...

[kevinma03]

Umm...to defend our country from Saddam...for one...

Iraq didn't pose a tactical threat to the US. it was mostly to Israel

[*kryogenix*]

okay.. right george bush wants americans to be safe? dang its sad how blind people can be to the truth..
remember when he said that there was weapons of mass destruction in iraq? right.. remember how many weapons of mass destruction we found.. thats right..zero.. we have 1000's of weapons inspectors in iraq theres NO WAY they wouldnt be able to find them if they were REALLY there.. the bush administration is lying to the people.. do u not see that? crazy kids..
you want to talk to me about bush wanting people to be safe.. yea.. click this.. then we can talk..

wow. this animation was so incorrect! It was wrong from the beginning! it said the first nuclear war was fought in 1991. is the author forgetting hiroshima and nagasaki?

depleted uranium is made from the used control rods in nuclear power plants. it is much less radioactive than normal uranium. it is used in munitions because it is very dense, so it can pierce through enemy armor. they emit alpha particles, which are very weak and do not travel very far. clothing can stop the beta particles and the number gamma particles emitted is too low to cause real harm. ONLY IF THE DEPLETED URANIUM IS INGESTED IT WILL HARMFUL. the reason it is ingested is because of Iraq's poor water grid. if saddam was not such a ruthless dictator, he would have focused on domestic problems instead of invading Kuwait. let's not forget he used weapons of mass destruction on iraqi citizens. that could be a reason for the deformities. As for Kosovo, what did George Bush have to do with that?

Clearing up the myths of Depleted Uranium
http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

Saddam did not let the inspectors in Iraq initially. The question is not whether or not there are WMD's. It's where are the wmds. there was proof of wmds in Iraq. the wmd's could even be in Syria or sold on the black market.

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL ME BLIND.

[edit] You refer to us as kids, but you are younger than me. i also didn't notice that you gave up because you are too stubborn to accept the fact that you may be wrong and even if there is a lot of proof against what you say, you irrationally hold on to your views. it's a shame you'll probably never read this post, you could have learned a lot from it.

[Spirited Away]

Iraq didn't pose a tactical threat to the US. it was mostly to Israel

that was before we realized that sadam had connections with terrorist groups.

[dasturbd]

"Dictators" cause a threat to everyone, everywhere

[tkproduce]

"Dictators" cause a threat to everyone, everywhere

so should we get rid of Bush as well? lol. just joking

[immersion31]

i support it

[dasturbd]

well this was a nice little debate here, but I think we've reached the end of this stalemate.

It's nice to see people voice their opinions and oppositions...whether or not I personally agree with them is not the point. The fact that we can even voice our opinions openly like this without worry of someone stepping in and stoning us for our views, is a wonderful asset of being "free"...just remember that.

One thing...
x0xcrzybabyx0x
I might suggest you don't go by everything you hear or have been told, but do some research and form your own opinions. You refer to us as kids, but I am triple your age. Don't be disrespectful just because others simply don't agree with you...it's not a flattering quality and it truly shows your age. I will say though with as young as you are, it's nice to see you're not afraid to get involved politically.

[tkproduce]

well reading and watching the recent news, the war in iraq seems to be quickly becoming a recurrence of the war in vietnam.

so what justifies having this war now?

[*kryogenix*]

well reading and watching the recent news, the war in iraq seems to be quickly becoming a recurrence of the war in vietnam.

so what justifies having this war now?

not really. what justifies this war is that we got the dictator out, we're looking for wmd's and we're trying to transfer power to the iraqi governing council. that's why we're still there.

[tkproduce]

not really. what justifies this war is that we got the dictator out, we're looking for wmd's and we're trying to transfer power to the iraqi governing council. that's why we're still there.

yea, but i hope you understand that it sort of defeats the purpose of US soldiers being there if they're having fun beating and urinating on captured Iraqi soldiers. No one deserves to be humiliated in that kind of way

[xscore]

i dont support it...and i think america SERI0USLY needs to mind their own business....ESPECIALLY about the whole north korea nuke thing....and the war too of course......

even my teachers say americans need to stay out of other country's affairs...

[*kryogenix*]

i dont support it...and i think america SERI0USLY needs to mind their own business....ESPECIALLY about the whole north korea nuke thing....and the war too of course......

even my teachers say americans need to stay out of other country's affairs...

we learned that we can't ignore international events during WWII when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. North Korea claims they have missles that can hit the US? doesn't that deserve some concern? Who are your teachers to say that the US should stay out of international affairs?

[tkproduce]

we learned that we can't ignore international events during WWII when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. North Korea claims they have missles that can hit the US? doesn't that deserve some concern? Who are your teachers to say that the US should stay out of international affairs?

oh yea, this is pretty random, but did you know that Winston Churchill knew about the plans of the Pearl Harbour incident but didn't tell the Americans about it because he thought it was the only way that the Americans would be persuaded into the war?

I'm not against America getting involved with international affairs, but are the failures like the Vietnam War and the Gulf War really worth it? They really better get this abuse of captured Iraqi soldiers thing sorted before this campaign ends in a failure as well

[xscore]

we learned that we can't ignore international events during WWII when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. North Korea claims they have missles that can hit the US? doesn't that deserve some concern? Who are your teachers to say that the US should stay out of international affairs?

well america bombed japan, and did lots of other crap to other nations.....they dont get in yalls bussiness do they? and north korea has missiles for defense...
oh, and my teachers are ms. holloway and mr. jones....

[*kryogenix*]

well america bombed japan, and did lots of other crap to other nations.....they dont get in yalls bussiness do they? and north korea has missiles for defense...
oh, and my teachers are ms. holloway and mr. jones....

but the US only bombed japan after japan launched their sneak attack on us. the US didn't just attack for no reason. the US was not the aggressor. and i don't think defense missles are supposed to be able to reach the us from all the way across from the pacific. your teachers should not be giving their opinions. they should be teaching facts.

oh yea, this is pretty random, but did you know that Winston Churchill knew about the plans of the Pearl Harbour incident but didn't tell the Americans about it because he thought it was the only way that the Americans would be persuaded into the war?

I'm not against America getting involved with international affairs, but are the failures like the Vietnam War and the Gulf War really worth it? They really better get this abuse of captured Iraqi soldiers thing sorted before this campaign ends in a failure as well

The Gulf War was not a failure at all. I think that we could have won the Vietnam war if there were no protestors and draft dodgers.

The abuse of the Iraqi soldiers is terrible. That's why the abusers are being court martialled. The US does not approve of such treatment.

[tkproduce]

I think that we could have won the Vietnam war if there were no protestors and draft dodgers.

so what would have happened if the US had "won" the war in Vietnam? Got rid of communism? Great! - maybe except for the fact that communism died out eventually there anyway even if there was no war.

Draft dodgers during the Vietnam War- why were there clearly more black people being drafted than white people? Most of them are poor, so why not make use of them and use them in the war? If that's not racism, I don't know what is. If there were clearly more asian people being drafted and I was one of them, then I would have refused. Even if I was white, I would have still refused because there was no point in the war.

Now, it's the "War against terrorism" as they put it. In effect, it has the same meaning as "war against hatred". Terrorism is an abstract noun - you can't touch or feel it, it's just there. There're probably a lot of terrorist activities going on even within the United States - the guy standing next to you on the train could be a terrorist. I don't know how bombing Iraq is going to make any progress to destroy "terrorism", but they better be doing something because I'm sure people don't want to be paying all their taxes for just manufacturing the next bomb and feeding the government officials.

[dasturbd]

N. korea's missles are for defense?? LOL!!

The reason that many people find that the Gulf war was a failure is because we went in there and then LEFT!! We neglected them when they needed us, that is why the Iraqi's seriously have no trust with us anymore, because they felt that we abandoned them back then. We should have stuck around back then and there would have been no need to be there now, but since we didn't...there we are again.

[dasturbd]

why were there clearly more black people being drafted than white people?

Where did you get that information??

[Spirited Away]

so what would have happened if the US had "won" the war in Vietnam? Got rid of communism? Great! - maybe except for the fact that communism died out eventually there anyway even if there was no war.

Umm, once more I think you have your facts twisted about Vietnam. Communism still exists and the majority of the Vietnamese who had to fled from their own homeland would like very much to have their home be rid of Communism.

Draft dodgers during the Vietnam War- why were there clearly more black people being drafted than white people? Most of them are poor, so why not make use of them and use them in the war? If that's not racism, I don't know what is. If there were clearly more asian people being drafted and I was one of them, then I would have refused. Even if I was white, I would have still refused because there was no point in the war.

PLEASE, NEVER again say that there was no point to the War. You suffered no losses to your family, but thousands, and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese were affected. We wanted to freedom. THAT WAR MEANT SOMETHING, we fought for our future and it is a justifiable cause.

I don't know how bombing Iraq is going to make any progress to destroy "terrorism", but they better be doing something because I'm sure people don't want to be paying all their taxes for just manufacturing the next bomb and feeding the government officials.

I DO NOT MIND paying my taxes for the cause. If you cared so much then strike or something.

[tkproduce]

the idea behind communism is a very good one. it's just that it will never work with humans because the majority of humans are selfish, deceitful and untrustworthy, including myself.

About Vietnam, I spent a whole year in history studying it, so it's not like I know nothing about it, although I know that sitting in a classroom is very different from having first or second hand experience. But I hope it gives me some qualification for arguing my point.

I understand that the war did have a point for the Vietnamese, because people were fighting for what they believed, but why did the Americans have to intervene? They thought that putting in a dummy right-wing Catholic dictator as leader of South Vietnam would cease the spread in communism. Actually, it just made things worse. The majority of Vietnamese being Buddhist, having this Catholic leader didn't please them. This lead to attacks from the Vietminh - which I guess the Americans would call "terrorists". The American army, not being used to guerilla warfare, got paranoid, bombing everywhere they could, using Agent Orange to strip the leaves of trees to make it easier to look for their enemy (more bombs were dropped in South Vietnam than North Vietnam, in fact). Chemical weapons were dropped everywhere and the consequences of them can still be seen today (apparently). The peak of their paranoia was probably illustrated by the My Lai massacre, where a whole town of innocent women and children were massacred. I'd be surprised if no one protested against these war crimes.

About people that don't like communism fleeing. Not everyone is going to be pleased by their own government. People that have strong right-wing beliefs are obviously not going to like a communist government. When Fidel Castro took over Cuba, a lot of right-wing people did flee (the majority being the rich, who didn't want their money taken away from them). Are people suffering in Cuba? They may not be the wealthiest of countries, but they have the best hospitals in the whole of central and south america and quite a stable education system. It may be common concept that communism is evil but I don't think one has to think more deeply about it to reach that conclusion.

Obviously I haven't spent much care on writing this, so there're a lot of leaks in the argument, possibly some faults in the facts, so this is still open to arguments.

[Spirited Away]

The peak of their paranoia was probably illustrated by the My Lai massacre, where a whole town of innocent women and children were massacred. I'd be surprised if no one protested against these war crimes.

NO ONE can tell you what REALLY went on in My Lai, even South Vietnamese soldiers have doubts and questioned where the fault truly lies. What you know of is only from propaganda from 'peace-lovers' at the expense of a Nation's freedom. You ask why America interfered? I don't know, but I can tell you that the South WANTED AMERICAN help.

Are people suffering in Cuba? They may not be the wealthiest of countries, but they have the best hospitals in the whole of central and south america and quite a stable education system. It may be common concept that communism is evil but I don't think one has to think more deeply about it to reach that conclusion.

I base my opinions about communism from having lived in a communistic society and having family members suffered from it. I don't know the case of Communism in Cuba, but I do know that Communism today is not in its pure form. Almost all communist regimes now adopt some socialist and even democratic characteristics because Communism in its purest form DOES NOT WORK.

[*kryogenix*]

alright, lets get back on topic. It's the War in Iraq we're talking about, not Vietnam.

[annchovie]

*sigh...i guess there's no preventing it....but i don't like war at all.

[tkproduce]

One is left with the horrible feeling now that war settles nothing; that to win a war is as disastrous as to lose one - Agatha Christie

You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake - Jeannette Rankin

War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children - Jimmy Carter

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? - Mahatma Gandhi

Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed - Mao Tse-Tung

One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once 'The Unnecessary War' - Sir WInston Churchill

[Spirited Away]

yes yes, all of those quotes are all nice and good, but how realistic?

I have one question for you: would you fight for your freedom, your children's freedom, and their children's freedom if it's being threatened?

I would.

[tkproduce]

yes yes, all of those quotes are all nice and good, but how realistic?

I have one question for you: would you fight for your freedom, your children's freedom, and their children's freedom if it's being threatened?

I would.

I don't think I can make up a decision on that unless I was actually faced with it. I don't think this war in Iraq has much to do with freedom, so if it was this war, I would never fight in it. My children are probably a million times more likely to get killed in a road accident, drug abuse or homicide by a crazy man living in the neighbourhood than be killed by a terrorist attack. The type of question I would ask myself would be something like: "Would my children suffer more from losing their father to a war or from the fear that they might be involved in a terrorist attack?" I don't think it's as easy a decision that you've made it out to be.

[F_L_I_P]

did you guys know what they were doing to the iraqi soldiers. its wrong.

[*kryogenix*]

did you guys know what they were doing to the iraqi soldiers. its wrong.

we aren't condoning those actions. those soldiers are being court martialled. that was just an isolated case.

[*Kathleen*]

I don't think I can make up a decision on that unless I was actually faced with it. I don't think this war in Iraq has much to do with freedom, so if it was this war, I would never fight in it. My children are probably a million times more likely to get killed in a road accident, drug abuse or homicide by a crazy man living in the neighbourhood than be killed by a terrorist attack. The type of question I would ask myself would be something like: "Would my children suffer more from losing their father to a war or from the fear that they might be involved in a terrorist attack?" I don't think it's as easy a decision that you've made it out to be.

Do you want to actually risk that? Having a mindset of, "Oh, I doubt my kids will get slaughtered by terrorists"? I wouldn't want to. If you have the choice to prevent possible terrorist attacks, would it not be best to try?

[Spirited Away]

I don't think I can make up a decision on that unless I was actually faced with it.

So you're just going to sit there and wait for another September 11th to happen, this time closer to home. Maybe it doesn't have to happen to your children, but maybe to your loved ones.

I don't think this war in Iraq has much to do with freedom, so if it was this war, I would never fight in it.

Then I guess it all comes down to point of view, because I feel that we're fighting for freedom, the freedom to live the American way of life. I felt that it was threaten by people who are only envious of what this country has become.

My children are probably a million times more likely to get killed in a road accident, drug abuse or homicide by a crazy man living in the neighbourhood than be killed by a terrorist attack.

I agree, but that doesn't mean I won't be wary of other threats as well.

"Would my children suffer more from losing their father to a war or from the fear that they might be involved in a terrorist attack?" I don't think it's as easy a decision that you've made it out to be.

Pfft, if their father is fighting for what he believes in, then he has honor. He knows the risks, but he's still fighting for his country and for his family. That's the making of a hero. I'd be proud to have a father like that.

[tkproduce]

So you're just going to sit there and wait for another September 11th to happen, this time closer to home. Maybe it doesn't have to happen to your children, but maybe to your loved ones.

Yea, actually, I'll be fine sitting my ass here in front of my computer. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you get your ass of your computer seat and go do some volunteer work for the army or something? I won't be convinced by your argument until you do so, because at the moment, it doesn't seem to me that you're doing any more for your country than I am.

[Spirited Away]

*scratches head*, I think I told you to do the same thing a couple of posts ago.

But I'm not the one who needs to go protest because the war is continuing, and I'm in favor of it. I think you got it the other way around, because you're the one who's anti-war, shouldn't you be protesting?

[tkproduce]

Sorry if I've misled all of you. As a matter of fact, I'm a very right-wing person and I'm in favour of the war. All the publicity and money being made from it is just great. I'll never go to war myself, but still, I'm proud of the people that are there and I hope they kick some Iraqi ass.

I was just having fun trying to argue against most of you that seemed to be pro-war. Can I continue my anti-war arguments?

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okay, continuation:

I don't go protesting because I think protesting is just as useless as the war itself.

You said before that you'll be proud of a dad who fights for what he believes, but I'll rather have a dad who's bringing in stable income to the family than a dead one who went out to fight somewhere thousands of miles away

[Spirited Away]

Ah, I see, how fun it is to try to argue the other way... what a challenge!

But protesting was a potent strategy used by Ghandi and MLK. It's not as useless as you may think.

You said before that you'll be proud of a dad who fights for what he believes, but I'll rather have a dad who's bringing in stable income to the family than a dead one who went out to fight somewhere thousands of miles away 

Like I said, it does depends on point of view because when you look at the Bigger picture, a father can't really bring home a stable income if his home is being threatened by bombs and planes crashing into it, right?

[onenonly101]

These are my feelings about the war...

We were going to go to war NO MATTER WHAT. DOi agree with it no, but it was going to happen. Do i agree with the so-called reason, no because this is what i believe: Bush wants to finish what his father started, have control of the oil feilds, and remove Suddam from power. He is not doing this to free the Iraqi people, he don't give crap about what is happening to them. But let me clarify, it is not JUST Bush, it is his cabinent including his advisors and our representatives, that we vote into office who have voted ofr the war. We need to pull out right now. There have been so many casualities since the so-called major combat has ended a year ago on both sides. Most of the people dying have nothing to do with the war, in the aspect of being rebels and what not. These are civilians we are killing, and they are killing our soldiers. The thing is we need to get out now. Bush said he wanted to take Suddam and he did, he nows says he wants to set up a democratic government. That ain't gonna happen. The thing is it comes down to how dare we tell them what to do with there country and fight thenm for power over THEIR country. If these people will remember when we wanted independence from Great Britain, we said they had no authority over us and we should be free. It seems as though we are now "Great Britain" and they are "America".
That is just half of my opinion. About protesting, what in the world do protestors of the war really think that Bush will all of a sudden call a cease fire and pull out because of protestors over here?!?! We have too much freedom in America cuz if this was Nigeria there would be no talk of protesting in the streets, your behind would be shot before you stepped onto the street

[tkproduce]

I think it's more likely that his work place or transport to the work place is going to get bombed, so I guess the threat is more on the Dad than his family.