Half-Blood Prince Discussion, Spoilers Options

[jordanriane]

Since Anna mentioned a new topic for discussion of the book, I figured I'd just create the new topic, that way people can talk about the book here, instead of in the other thread, that people can use who haven't finished/read the book yet.

and i also know who  RAB is.

Regulus Black, the brother of sirius black, who was murdered by the dark lord ages ago.

How were you able to figure that it was him?



The only real problem I had with this book, was the first chapter, with the Minister. I don't really see that it was too relevent, other then telling us that the muggle world saw these deaths are regular murders (aside from trying to figure out how someone died when they were alone and locked up) and whatnot.. But it was just really irrelevent, and ticked me off that it had really little meaning with the rest of the book.

Maybe it'll tie in for book 7, hopefully.

[miss barnes]

i know who dies......i went to like the second to last page and saw it...how sad

[acidophilus]

MAJOR SPOILERS
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SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE.

That is all. :)

[lKVNiiKINKYl]

Argh I hate spoilers...even if there is a warning I ALWAYS look.

[*stephinika*]

hm, yeah jordan i was thinking that about the first chapter too, but i noticed a lot of stuff from the previous books were all starting to tye in together, so i'm thinking thats what'll happen with that in possibly the next book?

[*Azarel*]

Discussion is misspelled.

[*stephinika*]

^^
fixed.

[jordanriane]

"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE."

That was rather obvious.
This isn't the "hey, let's state the obvious" thread, it's a discussion thread.


So, does anyone have any insight on what the least horcrux may be?

So far the ones we know of:

1. Riddle's Journal
2. the Ring
3. the Cups
4. the Locket
5. Nagini
6. _____________
7. Voldemort

[sadolakced acid]

the 6th horcrux is harry himself, unintentionally done but the dark lord doesn't care about it anyways.

the dark lord would have thought it funny... track down the kid who was meant to kill him, and make it so that the kid would protect him.

very sly of him.

plus, all death eaters aren't allowed to kill harry, you know. it's not just because the dark lord wants to do it himself.

` the locket has been destroyed by Regulus Black

regulus was the "idiot brother" who join the dark lord , but changed his mind. and voldemort killed him, remmeber? now remember what was in the locket.

anyways: harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter. He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux)

[silver-rain]

the 6th horcrux  is harry himself, unintentionally done but the dark lord doesn't care about it anyways.

the dark lord would have thought it funny... track down the kid who was meant to kill him, and make it so that the kid would protect him.

very sly of him.

plus, all death eaters aren't allowed to kill harry, you know.  it's not just because the dark lord wants to do it himself.

` the locket has been destroyed by Regulus Black

regulus was the "idiot brother" who join the dark lord , but changed his mind.  and voldemort killed him, remmeber? now remember what was in the locket. 

anyways:  harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter.  He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux)

You know, that is an interesting theory. And in some way, it can work like that; it could also explain how Harry survived (other than because of love).
It was sad when Dumbledore died and the description of the funeral was well written. It was interesting to see Voldemort's childhood and life through the memories.
With Dumbledore gone, Hogwarts won't be the safest place anymore so I am curious as to what'll happen.
Now I'm excited for the last book.

[jordanriane]

the 6th horcrux  is harry himself, unintentionally done but the dark lord doesn't care about it anyways.

the dark lord would have thought it funny... track down the kid who was meant to kill him, and make it so that the kid would protect him.

very sly of him.

plus, all death eaters aren't allowed to kill harry, you know.  it's not just because the dark lord wants to do it himself.

` the locket has been destroyed by Regulus Black

regulus was the "idiot brother" who join the dark lord , but changed his mind.  and voldemort killed him, remmeber? now remember what was in the locket. 

anyways:  harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter.  He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux)

If Harry was in fact a Horcrux, Voldemort would not be trying to kill him.
It's a good guess, but Harry is most definitely NOT a horcrux. Voldemort's intentions of killing Harry were because of the prophecy of him being the one to overthrow him, and most likely not to make him a horcrux. Even so, upon cursing Harry, he turned into a vapor and wouldn't have had time to make a horcrux, or well, psh who knows how to even make a horcrux and how long it would take..

The locket is most likely NOT destroyed yet. It's been said the the locket the Sirius found while cleaning out the house, may quite possibly by the locket that has the horcrux. It's a Black house, so RAB might have hidden the locket inside, which could explain why it wasn't able to be opened. If that lockest is in fact the horcrux, it's safe to say it has not been destroyed, and is now being hidden by Kreacher.

Regulus was not killed by Voldement directly, as Sirius said that RAB wouldn't have been worthy of this, and was probably killed by sone of Voldemort's minions.

Also, what makes you think Harry will die while killing Voldemort?
Just curious.

[pshaa.shauna]

My friend Shirin had an idea on what the last horcrux may be. She said that it could be Harry himself. Proof being that his scar does let him know what Lord Voldemort is thinking, and the fact that in the first book, Albus Dumbledore stated that Voldemort left apart of himself in harry. The only trouble I see is that Harry has his own soul...so how could part of Voldemort's soul and Harry's soul live in the same body? I see it could be possible...Voldemort in Quill in the SS.

//edit//

should've read through all of the posts first sorry...

[sadolakced acid]

^

jk rowling has written the last chapter already, and it's a reasonable thing to do, considering:

1. all heros die. if harry didn't die, then his life would have no purpose after killing the dark lord. rowling saw this, and saw she what she had to do.

2. it's a really sad chapter to write. <- what she said

3. the whole series, it's all building up to a battle with harry against the dark lord. so we know that it's going to happen, and that afterwards there's not real point to the book anymore, so it can't very well happen in teh begining of the 7th book. so it happens in the end.

4. harry is a tragic hero. tragic heros die in the end.

ergo:

the last chapter of the last book is either:

the final scene of the duel with the dark lord, where harry dies, or it is harry's funeral, after he dies killing the dark lord.


mayhaps the locket was not already destroyed, but i have a feeling it is. it's too easy to just waltz into the black manor and have a scavenger hunt... no, if it's not destroyed, it'd have to be challenging to get. regulus black won't have made it impossible to get too, like the dark lord. so it's probably destoryed, or the dark lord has it.

anyways: how can harry not be the 6th horcrux? the dark lord doesn't seem to want to kill harry. he wants to play with him. notice, in the 4th book, when he duels with the dark lord, the dark lord does not try in earnest to destory harry.

well, like dumbledore, i can be wrong. i was right about dumbledore dying, but wrong about hagrid being the halfblood prince (his mother could have been a queen of the giants...)

anyhow, we shall see. in due time, we shall see.

[jordanriane]

2. it's a really sad chapter to write. <- what she said

As far as actually believing what she says about any book, is honestly rubbish. She mentioned some facts of what to expect in book six, few of them were revealed, which leads me to not believe anything about future books, unless it can be proved from a previous book and to just wait it out.

anyways:  how can harry not be the 6th horcrux?  the dark lord doesn't seem to want to kill harry.  he wants to play with him.  notice, in the 4th book, when he duels with the dark lord, the dark lord does not try in earnest to destory harry.

It's a possiblity, but from the other [horcrux] items, it seems to be things that mean most to him. I don't remember the page, but Dumbledore was describing what horcruxes Voldemort would/has used, and why.

I highly doubt Harry meant anything to him aside from his fall from evil and his death (from the prophecy). His intention was to KILL Harry, not to make him a horcrux. He's "the boy that lived." His scar is a result of the failed curse that was meant to KILL him, not make him a horcrux.

Voldemort's whole motive/intent for killing James, Lilly and well, Harry were because of the prophecy. Not to make a horcrux. By the time Harry was already, it might even be possible he had already MADE his horcruxes.

He did make his first one while still on Hogwarts (the journal.)

[sadolakced acid]

As far as actually believing what she says about any book, is honestly rubbish. She mentioned some facts of what to expect in book six, few of them were revealed, which leads me to not believe anything about future books, unless it can be proved from a previous book and to just wait it out.
It's a possiblity, but from the other [horcrux] items, it seems to be things that mean most to him. I don't remember the page, but Dumbledore was describing what horcruxes Voldemort would/has used, and why.

I highly doubt Harry meant anything to him aside from his fall from evil and his death (from the prophecy). His intention was to KILL Harry, not to make him a horcrux. He's "the boy that lived." His scar is a result of the failed curse that was meant to KILL him, not make him a horcrux.

Voldemort's whole motive/intent for killing James, Lilly and well, Harry were because of the prophecy. Not to make a horcrux. By the time Harry was already, it might even be possible he had already MADE his horcruxes.

He did make his first one while still on Hogwarts (the journal.)

it was unintentional. remember, the dark lord had just killed two powerful wizards when he failed to kill harry.

anyways: dumbledore believed that the dark lord was missing one horcrux when he went to kill harry, because he wanted to use a special murder.

[mocassinsx29]

I think the first chapter was to fill the story in to anyone who didn't read Books 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. Woah, Harry a Horcrux? There's a thought, but... nu. O_O I kinda felt like Dumbledore was gonna die because 1. In 5th book, Harry got close to Sirius, he died, so Harry was getting Dumbledore... 2. In every book, Rowling shows that Harry must take the last journey on his own. Book 7 will be the last journey, so he must take it on his own. 3. Like stated in the book, Dumbledore was one of his protectors [others being his parents and Sirius], and once again, he must take the last journey alone. I can't believe that Horcrux was a fake. I cried. :(

[maia_dc]

Don't tell.... I actually really liked this book.
SHHHH.

Uh, anyway. I KNEW HARRY AND GINNY WOULD GET TOGETHER. I KNEW IT.

[clarissa]

In the Order of the Phoenix.. there was this locket that they couldn't get open when they were cleaning up in Grimmauld Place but I dont remember exactly.. I should check up on that later. But do you think that it could be the locket that R.A.B. took?

edit: this was already mentioned. should've read the whole thing :P

i think i've read somewhere that JK said that the last chapter was about what happens in the end to the characters that survived.

and on another note, i thought that the remus/tonks thing was pretty weird.. i wasn't expecting it. but it's good to see that remus won't be lonely anymore, i guess.

it's a shame we have to wait around 2 more years for the next book.

[hall0w]

harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter.  He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux)

i dont dink thats true... cuz if he die den no more harry potter books

[sadolakced acid]

i dont dink thats true... cuz if he die den no more harry potter books 

rowling has stated she does not plan on more books after the 7th.

i'm right you're wrong get over it.

it's the only way to satisfactarily end the series.

[dahding]

whoever's taken the locket, most likely is a death eater. just an interesting thing to point out, it is addressed, "to the dark lord".

as harry rudely points out to snape in the 5th book, "why do you call voldemort the dark lord, i've only ever heard Death Eaters call him that-"

so that does back up the regulus black theory, although i don't think regulus would have the nerve/brains to do it. maybe it's just some new character.

as for the 6th horcrux, dumbledore and harry thought that it may be a posession of one of the four founding people of hogwarts (e.g. the cup of hufflepuff, necklace of slytherin) i highly doubt that it would be harry, seeing as how voldemort would not want to destroy part of his soul, cause, well, that would suck ass now wouldn't it. and besides, voldemort toys with harry because he finds it amusing to think that anyone could believe to match up to his level of power, especially a young boy. as dumbledore has said, it is one of his flaws to underestimate people based on age. so he just fools around with harry and laughs like a weirdo.

anywho, in the order of the phoenix, the locket wasn't a little golden locket on a necklace that could be worn. it was a heavy locket, and kind of contradicts the idea of a necklace. besides, the locket was barely mentioned, so i don't think it would be the right horcrux. and it wouldn't be that easy.

whatever.

[sadolakced acid]

whoever's taken the locket, most likely is a death eater. just an interesting thing to point out, it is addressed, "to the dark lord".

as harry rudely points out to snape in the 5th book, "why do you call voldemort the dark lord, i've only ever heard Death Eaters call him that-"

so that does back up the regulus black theory, although i don't think regulus would have the nerve/brains to do it. maybe it's just some new character.

as for the 6th horcrux, dumbledore and harry thought that it may be a posession of one of the four founding people of hogwarts (e.g. the cup of hufflepuff, necklace of slytherin) i highly doubt that it would be harry, seeing as how voldemort would not want to destroy part of his soul, cause, well, that would suck ass now wouldn't it. and besides, voldemort toys with harry because he finds it amusing to think that anyone could believe to match up to his level of power, especially a young boy. as dumbledore has said, it is one of his flaws to underestimate people based on age. so he just fools around with harry and laughs like a weirdo.

anywho, in the order of the phoenix, the locket wasn't a little golden locket on a necklace that could be worn. it was a heavy locket, and kind of contradicts the idea of a necklace. besides, the locket was barely mentioned, so i don't think it would be the right horcrux. and it wouldn't be that easy.

whatever.

well, who said the locket was worn? salazar slytherin, wear a locket?

it is apparent that the dark lord was indeed dupped by regulus black, as the initals and the premonition of death point to

[dahding]

well, who said the locket was worn?  salazar slytherin, wear a locket?

it is apparent that the dark lord was indeed dupped by regulus black, as the initals and the premonition of death point to

*shrugs* the daughter was wearing it around her neck on a gold chain.

and i just realized that it was "a heavy gold locket", which supports the "inside the Black house" idea.

[its_annah]

^x2 I agree with everything he just said.
I don't think Harry is the 6th horcrux, either.

[sadolakced acid]

well, it is a longshot, but the possibility must be considered.

afterall, when the dark lord attacked harry, he left part of himself in harry.

however, the 6th horcrux will undoubtably be unconventional.

[clarissa]

About the locket in OotP.. JK is known to let important details or clues to slip by.. just like in the first book when we hear about Sirius' motorcycle. You never know..

[Eternally_L0st]

-- Harry being the 6th horcrux entered my mind too. but i havent realli thought that one thru. he probably isnt since if he was, Voldemort wouldnt wanna kill him. but then again, he could very well be the 6th horcrux with the scar n such. maybe a part of him was left in Harry? maybe thats why Harry must die for Voldemort to die? heh, who knows. im babbling.

-- Dumbledore's death wasnt a surprise to me. when Sirius died, i figured the next to die would also be someone Harry is close to, someone he loves/need/watever.

-- what did surprise me was that Snape killed him. i doubt Snape is truly on the dark side tho. Dumbledore trusted him, completely trusted him. so there must be something about Snape we dont know yet (what makes Dumbledore trust Snape so much), i think? besidez, Snape made the Unbreakable Vow, n there he HAD to keep it. maybe Dumbledore knew? maybe when Hagrid overheard them arguing, Dumbledore was reminding Snape that he had to kill him? dunno, just my thoughts.

-- JKR's writing style kinda changed in this book, didnt it? or is it just me? it felt differnt reading this book.

-- lastly, i was upset Sirius didnt reappear. he realli was my favorite character. this book didnt make me cry. the 5th one did.

[mocassinsx29]

^ both the six and fifth made me cry. i'm an easy weeper I guess. =T

Hey, any of you guys watch Potter Puppet Pals [I know it's a lil off topic...] Well, I watching it over today and well... Remember this part?



Very ironic. And depressing.

[*stephinika*]

^^
hah yes i remember that...

and i totally called ginny + harry too...i love the ron + hermione development as well, but as for the 6th horcrux...i'm clueless. too many possibilities to think about.

[jordanriane]

i'm right you're wrong get over it. 

it's the only way to satisfactarily end the series.

There's no need to be an a-hole about it; People have their opinions, as you have yours. You don't have actual proof you're right or wrong, so shove that up your ass.

Who are you to say that's how to end a series?
An author doesn't have to kill a character to end it.
I've read many books where it should go on, but it doesn't have to, because it's just over.

as for the 6th horcrux, dumbledore and harry thought that it may be a posession of one of the four founding people of hogwarts (e.g. the cup of hufflepuff, necklace of slytherin) i highly doubt that it would be harry, seeing as how voldemort would not want to destroy part of his soul, cause, well, that would suck ass now wouldn't it. and besides, voldemort toys with harry because he finds it amusing to think that anyone could believe to match up to his level of power, especially a young boy. as dumbledore has said, it is one of his flaws to underestimate people based on age. so he just fools around with harry and laughs like a weirdo.

YES! Exactly.

He's a goddamn psychotic; Keeping trophies from people who have suffered/died, and everything else that he stands for.

afterall, when the dark lord attacked harry, he left part of himself in harry.

However, unintentially. And not so much a part of himself, in the sense of a soul, but rather his powers/knowledge were transfered to Harry.

[sw33t_rouge]

- dumbledore dies
- snape is the half-blood prince

[jordanriane]

- dumbledore dies
- snape is the half-blood prince

Hey, thanks for being obvious.

This is a dicussion thread; Not "let's make a post about what everyone else already knows [that has posted in this thread!]"

[pshaa.shauna]

I think that jk rowling should kill off harry in the last book, but then have ron kill voldie for revenge. I f you havent noticed ron is always in the shadows of everyone else...or have neville kill voldie, that would be a twist in the plot

//edit//
and for the only 1 more book thing, the next book is either going to be extremely long(1500-2000) pages, or there is going to be more books....unless jk rowling slacks off and writes real crappy like

[smile0751]

Now to a theory I had about the soul (forgot the real word for them)-



What we know about VM’s souls-

* DD isn’t the only one who knows about them. So does R.A.B

(I think that’s the initials)

* His souls are stored in a Diary, Ring, Locket, Goblet, Snake, VM, and in an obeject thought to be owned by either Griffendor or Ravenclaw.
* To split the soul you need to kill someone
* You have to kill all VM’s souls to kill him



Unknown stuff-



* Whats the spell to split the soul
* Where the last soul is
* How to destroy objects housing souls



My idea involving Souls



Ok so the list of souls goes as follows- Diary, Ring, Locket, Goblet, Snake, VM, and in an obeject thought to be owned by either Griffendor or Ravenclaw. So to start lets talk about the unknown obect. First I would like to point out a few things. One you can store souls in living things, like a snake. Second you must kill someone to do it, and the killing curse is Avada Kadava (I think). Also DD has said to Harry something along the lines of “When VM tried to kill you, he put some of him self into you, that’s why you can speak Parcletounge (speaking to snakes)” ext. Also when the Death Eaters got into Hogwarts they used a vanishing cabinet. How Draco described it, really made me thinking. He said that his friend that was shut in it, heard both stuff happening in Hogwarts, and stuff happening in that shop. There was a connection there. Those are the 4 main thing I am basing my argument on.

I believe when VM used Avada Kadava on little Harry, the spell back fired and split his soul once again. Part of his soul went to Harry while he kept the other half. That would mean that Harry has 2 souls in him. That expains why he could feel how VM is feeling. It would work like the vanishing cabinet. The soul is connecting the two of them.

Also DD says he thinks it is stored in something owned by Griffenor or Ravenclaw. I know this has been said before, but what if Harry is the desendent of one of these houses? Then DD is right, it is stored in one of them.

Now the interesting part, If Part of VM is in Harry, how can he defeat VM without killing him self? I mean how can he kill just one part of him self. This is where I think a big battle inside of harry with take place. I think each soul will struggle to control Harry’s body and mind, but then Harry’s Soul will win the fight destroying VM’s soul. Anyone like my ideas so far?


I have page numbers and more proof for it too

[pshaa.shauna]

^^hi shirin

back to disscussion

[smile0751]

hi brewer! Funny seeing you here...

[Hell-Rell]

I think in the last chapter it should explain everything

[pshaa.shauna]

I think in the last chapter it should explain everything

I think that it's going to, seeing as how that's what last chapters do...

[sw33t_rouge]

Hey, thanks for being obvious.

This is a dicussion thread; Not "let's make a post about what everyone else already knows [that has posted in this thread!]"

im sory..i shouldve looked at the beginning.

[xlauren73x]

hmmm.. a lot of really good theories going on in this discussion.

-harry being a horcrux.. it's definitely a very good idea and seeing as all the evidence.. the scar, seeing voldemorts thoughts, 'transferring a part of him' and all that.. but i just have a hard time believing it's him. who knows.. its a very good thought.

-regulas black as R.A.B - good theory again.. but there's not that much evidence supporting it so far. i think its definitely a possibility that he's it.. but who knows. oh and umm i'm a bit confused.. didn't that little note say that whoever R.A.B. is that he destroyed/is going to destroy the horcrux? idk maybe i got a little confused there.

i definitely think the fact that harry has the power to love and voldemort does not is going to play a huge part in their battle. dumbledore stressed this to harry and made him understand that although voldemort is a very wise and capable wizard.. harry can love. this theme has always been big in all the hp books.. so i think its going to come down to that to kill voldemort. as for harry killing himself because he is a horcrux.. or voldemort killing harry? i dont know.. i doubt it. its the good vs. evil thing.. and i just don't think rowling would put all of the work into the previous books just to have voldemort kill harry. although it is a good theory that ron or someone else kills him for harry.. but i think it more likely that someone else close to harry gets killed in the last book. i mean in each book, someone dies, getting closer and closer to harry. the first.. 'eh well no one really.. but you are introduced to the fact that harry lost his parents. the second.. voldemort tries to kill ginny.. the third.. um you dont see him in the 3rd do you? like in the 6th.. only two books where harry doesnt fight voldemort. hmm then the 4th cedric.. 5th siris.. and now 6th dumbledore. i think someone close to harry has to die in the last book if it not himself [which i doubt]. someone like ron or hermoine probably.. but idk.

any thoughts for the title / release date of the 7th book?

oh and who else totally cried in the ending of the 6th book.. i cried in the 5th one too and then the whole thing with dumbledore dying was soo sad, the funeral was very well written. oh and poor aragog dying almost made me tear up too.. lol.

[emazing]

Yes, I figured out the initals RAB when I was taking a shower and thinking of Sirius and Tonks.
Anywho, HBP was more depressing, IMO, than all of the other stories put together.
Ooh, and in response to xlauren73x's response, yes, I did cry at the end of the fifth book when Sirius Black died, but at the end of this book when Dumbledore died, I was just sad. Not to mention a bit dark at Rowling for killing off Albus Dumbledore. Ho-hum.

[jordanriane]

Possible horcrux:

Ginny Weasly

Why?

"So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted... I grew stronger and stronger on a diet of her deepest fears, her darkest secrets. I grew powerful, far more powerful than little Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of my secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul back into her..."

Now, I know that horcruxes can only be created through a death.. so.. who knows. Maybe it's possible to have killed someone, and hold this horcrux until it needs to be unleashed. Ianno.

[smile0751]

I took that quote from CoS to mean that a Soul can only live if it has a heart. Thats why none of the other soul are becoming people. But then again the snake has a heart, so why doesnt it become VM? Hmmmm

[jordanriane]

I took that quote from CoS to mean that a Soul can only live if it has a heart.  Thats why none of the other soul are becoming people.  But then again the snake has a heart, so why doesnt it become VM?  Hmmmm

Uhm, who are you replying to?

[clarissa]

I'm a bit interested in Draco's character. I wasn't surprised he became a Death Eater at such a young age, but I don't think he has it in him. He tried to kill Dumbledore to save his family but he just didn't have it in him to kill him. The only reason he agreed to was probably because he LOVED his family.. and isn't LOVE an important thing that Voldemort doesn't have? and probably most of the other Death Eaters as well. I have a feeling that Draco won't be living a very long life.

edit: About Ginny being a possible Horcrux.. I really think she is one! Especially with what Tom was explaining to Harry about pouring their souls into each other and etc.. I think that theory is much better than Harry himself being a Horcrux.

[smile0751]

I found this-

Brand, Rudolf
Captain of the Heidelberg Harriers who, at the end of a famous match with the Holyhead Harpies, proposed marriage to the Harpies' team captain, Gwendolyn Morgan; she whacked him over the head with her broom (QA).

She has the initials..

[clarissa]

^ didn't hermione mention her? or was it someone else, i forgot. i doubt it was rudolf brand, though.. R.A.B. is most likely a death eater.

[jordanriane]

On another forum someone mentioned R and B, which would imply two people.

[smile0751]

"On another forum someone mentioned R and B, which would imply to people."

Lost.... what does it imply?

[jordanriane]

"On another forum someone mentioned R and B, which would imply to people."

Lost.... what does it imply?

I forgot the 'w' in two.
I don't think it would've been hard to guess that from "r and b," then again, apparently it is...

[Bobblehead425]

i am very depressed after finishing the book...*sigh*...even though its all fake i think its horrible dumbledore died. i am still a little confsed why dumbledore never told harry he knew that malfoy was the person who attemted murder...unless he only just found out the night he was killed.

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didnt the letter in the locket state that "R.A.B" was going to destroy the horcrux? I thought it did....so wouldn't it be gone already? and if "R.A.B" was Regulus Black, he was a death eater right? so why would he want rid of voldemort...or is that why voldemort killed him personally?

this books got me confused. good thing i get most of it though

[mocassinsx29]

Woooahhh, Ginny a Horcrux? I have a feeling she's not, but then again, if she is, there will definitely be some conflict with having to kill her, [obviously].

[jordanriane]

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didnt the letter in the locket state that "R.A.B" was going to destroy the horcrux? I thought it did....so wouldn't it be gone already? and if "R.A.B" was Regulus Black, he was a death eater right? so why would he want rid of voldemort...or is that why voldemort killed him personally?

this books got me confused. good thing i get most of it though

Regulas Black was killed not by Voldemort, but by his minions.
For what reason exactly, we do not know.
It's rumored that he was trying to leave the dark side.

If you read OOTP, Sirius states that Regulas would not have been worthy of being killed by Voldemort himself.

The note states he was going to destroy; It does not mean that he got a chance to do it, we'll eventually find out.

[sadolakced acid]

There's no need to be an a-hole about it; People have their opinions, as you have yours. You don't have actual proof you're right or wrong, so shove that up your ass.

Who are you to say that's how to end a series?
An author doesn't have to kill a character to end it.
I've read many books where it should go on, but it doesn't have to, because it's just over.

there's a reason for the smiley that usually indicates "i'm kidding"

[Individualityy]

"R.A.B" stands for Regulus A. Black. I think the A stands for "Alphard"..which was Sirius's uncle's name.

It makes sense too. Regulus wanted to back out of Voldemort's fold after he found the horcrux. He realized that Voldemort was only in it for himself and that he was only using his Death Eaters for his own selfish purposes. He got killed because he found out about the horcrux and wanted to back out..probably.

Now, about Snape and Dumbledore..

I would be convinced that Snape was evil, through and through, if it hadn't been for Dumbledore pleading in the end. Dumbledore is not known to beg for his life, he's a very calm and collected person. So that sort of unnerved me. What on earth was he begging for? Perhaps, as Dumbledore had made Harry promise him..Dumbledore made Snape promise him that if the circumstance came that he had to kill Dumbledore..he had to do it. Perhaps Dumbledore and Snape have some master plan going on, and it would have been all ruined if Snape had stood up for Dumbledore.

Besides..that whole thing that Malfoy was assigned to do..what if it was to kill Dumbledore? Hm? And Snape made an unbreakable promise that he would take over the job if Draco failed. And as we all know, the punishment for not following an unbreakable vow is death. So, it was either Snape's life or Dumbledore's..and if Dumbledore made Snape promise him that if the circumstance comes..he'd have to kill him..then I see a clear reason why Snape killed Dumbledore.

But what made Dumbledore trust Snape? What plans did Snape and Dumbledore make? Is Snape a double agent? Going for the winning side..but acting as a friend of both? Hm.

[smile0751]

If RAB is Regulus Black, and he went about to destroy it, he could of died in the atempt. When DD destroyed the ring he lost the life of his hand and we know he one of the most powerful wizards of the time. If Regulus went to destroy it, he could of lost more than his hand. Remember Serius didnt sound too sure about how his brother died.

Also if someone removed the locket, why was the liquid still there? Shouldnt it of been already drunk? I really was under the impression Regulus Black was not a great wizard. Also you needed 2 people to remove the locket. Who was the other person?

[jordanriane]

kreacher.

he would've obeyed another Black family member.

[smile0751]

Kreacher, hmmmm. Good idea, but kreacher would of had to drink the stuff, so that Regulas could do the magic of fire and stuff. hmmmm I doubt it but it could work.

[PurchasedRebelli...]

I just finished the book and le sigh, I can't accept that Dumbledore's dead. :(

[jordanriane]

Kreacher, hmmmm.  Good idea, but kreacher would of had to drink the stuff, so that Regulas could do the magic of fire and stuff. hmmmm I doubt it but it could work.

The inferi only came up because Harry disturbed the water.
Either Kreacher or Regulas could've drank whatever was in the basin.

[glit_gal]

I still can't believe dumbledore died ....i hope snape gets a cruel punishment and painful death in the 7th book.

[..:loveee.NuTTii]

any thoughts for the title / release date of the 7th book?

I think I read somewhere that the 7th book would be released in two years. But back to the discussion

R.A.B being Regulus is a pretty good guess. JKR does do some research before she names her character. Maybe his name has some answers (I'm looking that up now.)

I have one question about the potion situation, though. Why did Dumbledore have to drink it. Couldn't he conjur up a bowl or something to empty the potion in, instead of drinking it???

[michelle_07]

Now, about Snape and Dumbledore..

I would be convinced that Snape was evil, through and through, if it hadn't been for Dumbledore pleading in the end. Dumbledore is not known to beg for his life, he's a very calm and collected person. So that sort of unnerved me. What on earth was he begging for? Perhaps, as Dumbledore had made Harry promise him..Dumbledore made Snape promise him that if the circumstance came that he had to kill Dumbledore..he had to do it. Perhaps Dumbledore and Snape have some master plan going on, and it would have been all ruined if Snape had stood up for Dumbledore.

Besides..that whole thing that Malfoy was assigned to do..what if it was to kill Dumbledore? Hm? And Snape made an unbreakable promise that he would take over the job if Draco failed. And as we all know, the punishment for not following an unbreakable vow is death. So, it was either Snape's life or Dumbledore's..and if Dumbledore made Snape promise him that if the circumstance comes..he'd have to kill him..then I see a clear reason why Snape killed Dumbledore.

But what made Dumbledore trust Snape? What plans did Snape and Dumbledore make? Is Snape a double agent? Going for the winning side..but acting as a friend of both? Hm.

i agree. the pleading thing was a little weird.
i really wanted to believe snape was good. i trusted dumbledore. but i should've realized that when snape took the post of defense against the dark arts teacher, something was going to happen to where he wouldn't be teaching it next year. to bad it wasn't him breaking the vow then dying...

i really believe harry will end up dying in the next book. i don't want him to, but i believe he will.

[dahding]

Possible horcrux:

Ginny Weasly

Why?

"So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted... I grew stronger and stronger on a diet of her deepest fears, her darkest secrets. I grew powerful, far more powerful than little Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of my secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul back into her..."

Now, I know that horcruxes can only be created through a death.. so.. who knows. Maybe it's possible to have killed someone, and hold this horcrux until it needs to be unleashed. Ianno.

omg, i was going to post this, but i decided not to.

because...

1. tom riddle was going to leave ginny to rot and die. he was using her as a shell/corpse, just so he can become real enough.
2. i think that it was just taken out of context a little. i think he just fed his soul back into ginny, so he can carry out actions that he would otherwise be unable to do so, because he has no corporal body form.
3. i thought that it would be considered the spirit of the diary, so that, it wouldn't be considered an extra Horcrux.

but then again, maybe it was unintentional. maybe...just maybe.

but i highly doubt it. especially cause Tom was leaving Ginny to die.


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i thought that malfoy was ordered to take down dumbledore. after all, he had tried to send the necklace and the wine, but only failed. snape had taken the unbreakable promise, so either way, had to do malfoy's job, cause he couldn't.

mraow?

[mocassinsx29]

I have one question about the potion situation, though.  Why did Dumbledore have to drink it.  Couldn't he conjur up a bowl or something to empty the potion in, instead of drinking it???

I think Dumbledore somehow knew before hand that you couldn't just empty the potion once he got it in the goblet. He was the most powerful wizard, so he probably already knew... somehow.

[HelloSunshine]

^
I thought that as well. Perhaps...we're wrong?

i agree. the pleading thing was a little weird.
i really wanted to believe snape was good. i trusted dumbledore. but i should've realized that when snape took the post of defense against the dark arts teacher, something was going to happen to where he wouldn't be teaching it next year. to bad  it wasn't him breaking the vow then dying...

i really believe harry will end up dying in the next book. i don't want him to, but i believe he will.

I agree. Either Harry'll fight off Voldemort or he'll get killed. He doesn't want ron or hermonie to help, but i believe they'll try to. i really can't wait for the next one.

[dahding]

i think that dumbledore's pleading had much to do with what he drank inside the cave. after all, he was pleading, and pleading for death as well.

perhaps he was fearful of causing harry and the students' deaths, because he kept on saying, "don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me instead."

i think that it was dumbledore's worst nightmare come true, because he feared for the students and whatnot when the dark mark rose, so he ran to the school, getting himself killed. and he sacrificed himself to save everyone else.

confusing eh.

[mocassinsx29]

the last chapter of the last book is either:

the final scene of the duel with the dark lord, where harry dies, or it is harry's funeral, after he dies killing the dark lord.
mayhaps the locket was not already destroyed, but i have a feeling it is.  it's too easy to just waltz into the black manor and have a scavenger hunt...  no,  if it's not destroyed, it'd have to be challenging to get.   regulus black won't have made it impossible to get too, like the dark lord.  so it's probably destoryed, or the dark lord has it.

This is from a press conference J.K. Rowling gave. I got it from a CBBC News site.

Vhari Leishman for Bloomsbury.com - I was wondering at the end of the seventh book would we get into a glimpse of Harry and Hermione post-Voldemort lives, in an epilogue or accompanying book (assuming they live through the book 7)?

JK Rowling: That is very good that, is assuming that anyone survives, I may kill the whole lot ­ not really, don't write me letters. There is already a chapter written in which you find out about the survivors post Hogwarts fates, so, I will have to re­write it when I get there, because that was written years ago and it wasn't really written on the assumption that I would use it as it is written in the hooks, it is really an act of faith, it was me saying to myself "I will get here and this information is the end point and that is where I'm trying to get to. So yes, there will be.

So I'm guessing the last chapter won't be the actual duel because it'd be hard to fit in their post-lives in it... I think.
This site may answer many of your questions. Perhaps.

Another thing backing up the Regulus Black theory:

Peter O'Brien for Easons Ireland - Are you going introduce any new characters in the final book?
JK Rowling: There will be some characters who you don't know particularly well, and there may be a couple of new characters, but nobody really major. You know pretty much the cast list by now.

[ichigofan]

First off The book was a disapointment but anyways I digress
- RAB is not regulus Black because it seems too obvious and JK would never be that obvious.
I believe that 2 People Framed Regulus Black-- which goes along with the story because througout the book we heard about people getting framed for example Morphin and Hufflepuffs Descendants elf. but then again if indeed it was regulus black then it is possible that kreacher must know what happened to the real horcrux which I believe is the "heavy" locket that harry found at 12GM in OoTP.

Another theory that I have made is that Snape had told DD about his Unbreakable vow and therefore Snape and DD had made a plan which resulted in DD dying.. At the end DD wouldve died either way seeing as if he was surrounded by DE and if Snape hadnt killed DD then he wouldve died and then if Snape died the OoTP would never find out whats going on with Voldemort. Snape is now the only link between voldemort and the order and he is a useful member.
I also believe that the reason why DD trusted snape was because snape had the ability to love, which as DD mentioned in the book Voldemort did not!! and he made that clear to harry because he said the reason why harry is more powerful is because of his ability to love... I believe that Snape Loved Harrys mom Lily potter.. and that would explain why Lily was such a "GOOD" potions maker-- Snape lended her his notes on Potion making and obviously she would give it to James and thats why Snape Compared Harry to his Dad -- cuz his dad used his potions and Snapes Spells against him--- This theory would also explain why Snape was sadened when he found out of Lily's death and why Snape despised Harry- I think that Snape blamed Harry for lily's death..

Woah I type tooo much lol well its only a theory =/

[I wear bow ties]

Lucky losers. Got the book before me...But, it was obvious dumbledore was going to die. I knew that since the 4th book, but everybody was like noooooo zoha he CANT die. and guess what! HE DID!

[sadolakced acid]

it can't be ginny.

harry put the dark lord's soul back into the diary when he killed it.

and even if it did go into ginny, it would just be a transformation of the first horcrux, not the creation of the 6th.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Wow. I just finished. Wow wow wow.

Must say I'm dissappointed my hoping for Harry & Hermione to happen has dissipated.

I actually cried while reading that, even though people had already spoiled it for me.

That was most definitely my favorite out of all of them.

And Ginny being one is ridiculous. Is she something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's? No. Also, I believe it was said that a Horcrux had to be an object. Although it must not be a normal, every-day object, an object nonetheless.....However, I don't see how a snake works into that, so nevermind. But it's definitely not Harry. He doesn't just toy with Harry; does anyone not remember the ending to the 5th book? He was chasing Harry but Dumbledore interfered.

creepy heather: i have a theory!
creepy heather: that harry is a hocrux things
creepy heather: thing*
sammi likes hugs: no no.
sammi likes hugs: go in the thread in entertainment.
creepy heather: ok
sammi likes hugs: can you see this?
creepy heather: yes
sammi likes hugs: k.
sammi likes hugs: i think i caught a loophole in her writing.
sammi likes hugs: a horcrux had to be an object; no every-day object, an object of much importance, but an object nonetheless
sammi likes hugs: however, how is a snake, a living thing, a horcrux, then?
creepy heather: isnt that what harry asked?
creepy heather: people can be objects
sammi likes hugs: ..i don't remember him asking that
sammi likes hugs: hum.
sammi likes hugs: nevermind.
creepy heather: lol
sammi likes hugs: but they're living..
creepy heather: thats why i think that harry is one
creepy heather: maybe an unintentional one
sammi likes hugs: hm, i don't think he is..
sammi likes hugs: why would voldemort keep trying to kill him?
creepy heather: he doesnt know? but dumbledore said a fwe books ago that voldermort transfered part of himself into harry
sammi likes hugs: how could dumbledore not know? he wanted seven horcruxes
sammi likes hugs: er
sammi likes hugs: voldemort*
sammi likes hugs: i was reading while typing..
creepy heather: lol
sammi likes hugs: if harry is a horcrux, that makes seven
sammi likes hugs: if he had not known harry was one, he would have made another
creepy heather: hm i dont know lol
sammi likes hugs: exactly.

Perhaps...James or Lily's dead body is a horcrux? I mean, he used trophies from his murders as horcruxes...perhaps he just used one of their bodies?...I mean, as we all would assume, of course Harry would want to visit his parents' graves at some point. But why would she make it a point to include that he wanted to? You never know..I mean, as Dumbledore said, it would be foolish to make a horcrux a living thing (another reason Harry and Ginny are not horcruxes, he already has one living thing; why risk another?) so why not just use the dead bodies?

How was Dumbledore's hand burned?

Er, and did anyone catch that Dumbledore said that Snape had caught half of Trelwaney's prophecy, and that's what Voldemort knows?

[dahding]

no sammi, it was not said that it had to be an object. it can be anything really. case in point, nagini the snake. it's more or less, anything of significant value to voldemort. himself, which is like god to himself, the diary which proves that he is heir to the slytherin throne, the locket that was originally salazar slytherin's, hufflepuff's cup, marvolo's ring. and of course, his lovely snake, nagini.

trelwaney reveals that snape was the actual spy. we knew already that a spy was listening halfway through, but got thrown out by the barman. she says how there was a disturbance caused by snape, because he was thrown out for eavesdropping on their conversation, "because he wanted tips from my expertise on how to get a new job, like the DADA post."

dumbledore's hand was burnt through the ring. there was a dark and horrible curse that was placed on it, to prevent people from destroying it maybe? i can't remember exactly, but i thought it was something like a poorly performed killing curse or something like that. so dumbledore got an owwie.

[*disco infiltrator*]

1) Yes, I realized that, but as Dumbledore pointed out, it would be foolish in the first place to make a living, moving, breathing thing a horcrux. Why would he make another?

2) Surely you don't think that was the real reason. Trelwaney only thought that. He was listening to the prophecy she was telling, and Dumbledore said he had only heard half of her prophecy, which is the point I was trying to make.

3) Dumbledore's hand was burnt before he tried to destroy the ring..


Also, I do think Kreacher was used in removing the locket. Rowling pointed out several times that his voice was often very scratchy. Dumbledore's voice was very hurt after drinking the liquid; he could barely talk. Perhaps, after time, Kreacher was able to speak, but his voice was still damaged.

[sadolakced acid]

1) Yes, I realized that, but as Dumbledore pointed out, it would be foolish in the first place to make a living, moving, breathing thing a horcrux. Why would he make another?

2) Surely you don't think that was the real reason. Trelwaney only thought that. He was listening to the prophecy she was telling, and Dumbledore said he had only heard half of her prophecy, which is the point I was trying to make.

3) Dumbledore's hand was burnt before he tried to destroy the ring..
Also, I do think Kreacher was used in removing the locket. Rowling pointed out several times that his voice was often very scratchy. Dumbledore's voice was very hurt after drinking the liquid; he could barely talk. Perhaps, after time, Kreacher was able to speak, but his voice was still damaged.

it wasn't intentional. when the dark lord when to godric's hollow, he intended to kill the boy and make the seventh horcrux. however, the killing curse backfired on the dark lord. you must remember the dark lord had just killed to rather gifted wizards. so it's certainly possible that he unintentionally make harry a horcrux, which would explain:

why harry can read the dark lord's mind, and see things from his POV
why harry was scarred, when the killing curse leaves no marks
why harry can speak parseltongue
why harry is powerful instead of weak like neville
why the sorting hat wanted to put harry in slytherin, when his family was gryffindor and he didn't have any slytherinic tendencies.

[jordanriane]

it wasn't intentional.  when the dark lord when to godric's hollow, he intended to kill the boy and make the seventh horcrux.  however, the killing curse backfired on the dark lord.  you must remember the dark lord had just killed to rather gifted wizards.  so it's certainly possible that he unintentionally make harry a horcrux, which would explain:

why harry can read the dark lord's mind, and see things from his POV
why harry was scarred, when the killing curse leaves no marks
why harry can speak parseltongue
why harry is powerful instead of weak like neville
why the sorting hat wanted to put harry in slytherin, when his family was gryffindor and he didn't have any slytherinic tendencies.

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

It's been mentioned that Harry has some of Voldemort in him, not soul, but rather his power, his abilities.


Maybe there really IS no sixth horcrux.
When voldemort went to kill Harry, he would've needed a soul.
Obviously he had died.

I mean, how is voldemort able to be alive now without using a horcrux to obtain a soul? Or was the vapor a symbol of only Voldemort's soul surviving, which would insinuate that he's the 7th horcrux to be destroyed.

[*tweeak*]

QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2005, 4:32 AM)
and i also know who  RAB is.

Regulus Black, the brother of sirius black, who was murdered by the dark lord ages ago.

james insitsts that i point out that he's been saying this for 2 days now, which he has

[jordanriane]

Yes, he has. And he won't shut up about anything Harry Potter related, as he apparently must be JK Rowling and knows EVERYTHING.

-sigh-

[*tweeak*]

Since Anna mentioned a new topic for discussion of the book, I figured I'd just create the new topic, that way people can talk about the book here, instead of in the other thread, that people can use who haven't finished/read the book yet.
How were you able to figure that it was him?
The only real problem I had with this book, was the first chapter, with the Minister. I don't really see that it was too relevent, other then telling us that the muggle world saw these deaths are regular murders (aside from trying to figure out how someone died when they were alone and locked up) and whatnot.. But it was just really irrelevent, and ticked me off that it had really little meaning with the rest of the book.

Maybe it'll tie in for book 7, hopefully.

it was confusing too- i thought we were talking about the minister of magic for the first couple of pages while it wasn't

i thought the 6th book was supposed to reveal a lot about lilly. but it did not.

[[x]Mari[x]]

I can't believe he broke up with Ginny. I understand the noble cause and everything, but GOSH, he could've at least held the romance into the 7th book a little.

I knew they would get together from the 2nd book! X__X I swear it! But I waited all that time just to be shot down by a 2-or-3 chapter romance.

[maia_dc]

Hmmm... I've realized that debating about Harry Potter is like dancing about architecture.

[*tweeak*]

^whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[aeyungg xd]

i was upset that harry went all "spiderman" on ginny, NOT FAIR NOT FAIR. and those of you that were harry and hermione fans, its been hinted so many times, of rons growing jealousy, and hermione's knowing. so yeah.

it makes a LOT of sense for RAB to be R and B because two people WERE needed to extract the locket. wait, so is the locket destroyed or not?(not sure if i read that in other people's replies)

i was extremely upset when snape was really a bad dude. and as someone else said earlier, what if this is all part of a master plan? i find that extremely unlikely, and a bit corny and stretched out if its really true. dumbledore is usually right, i was so upset that severus was a death eater for sure. i think there is another reason as to WHY dumbledore trusted snape besides the one where he overheard the beginning of the prophecy. there has to be another reason...

it is possible that ginny weasley is a horcrux. it is very likely that harry will have to actually kill a PERSON to destroy volde- he-who-must-not-be-named. you guys forgot something (possibly) didn't dumbledore think nagini was a horcrux? he said it was possible that a living thing can be a horcrux, so your idea of ginny was a veryyy good one.

i can't believe dumbledore died. i mean i suspected like neville or a kid dying. harry didn't seem that upset about it, he cried a lot and all, but he was much worse when sirius died. im guessing its because it was his first death?

poor poor bill. and i was really surprised fleur didn't really care at all. she seems so much more shallow than that.

[[x]Mari[x]]

i was upset that harry went all "spiderman" on ginny, NOT FAIR NOT FAIR.

All "Spiderman"......

I agree, though.

It would make an awesome twist if Ginny were the 6th horcrux! Sad, but I'd love to see that realized from Harry's point of view...

I think it would be predictable for Harry to be the horcrux, though... maybe JK will twist things up and make it Ginny... or, like... Neville... Or something.

[mocassinsx29]

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

He killed Harry's father before he went on to kill him [even though his mother stood in front of him] but why would he make Harry a horcrux after he killed James when the reason he went to Godric's Hollow was to kill Harry after hearing half the Prophecy?

[sadolakced acid]

In order to create a horcrux, it seems as if it needs to be in a spell, not just by killing people, or trying to kill someone and failing and them being a horcrux.

He. never. killed. Harry. In order for a horcrux, a person needs to be killed.
Even so, unintentially making a horcrux is like Harry learning occlumency. ;d

It's been mentioned that Harry has some of Voldemort in him, not soul, but rather his power, his abilities.
Maybe there really IS no sixth horcrux.
When voldemort went to kill Harry, he would've needed a soul.
Obviously he had died.

I mean, how is voldemort able to be alive now without using a horcrux to obtain a soul? Or was the vapor a symbol of only Voldemort's soul surviving, which would insinuate that he's the 7th horcrux to be destroyed.

ok, so here's what happened:

the dark lord kills james and lily, and then went on to kill harry. the curse, however, backfired. You cannot stop or dodge a killing curse, but you probably have enough time for one spell. Thus, the dark lord transfered a segment of his soul to harry. it wasn't his intention when he went there- but he had to adapt to the circumstances.

having a horcrux presevers you life, and you're just a soul floating around. the soul in your body isn't dead. it can infest something else, like rats or snakes, or quirrel.

[mocassinsx29]

So... Harry's a Horcrux by accident? :O Man, I can't wait for the 7th book.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Justin, are you forgetting the end of the last book? Who was Voldemort chasing to kill?

Oh that's right, it was Harry.

And Harry's not an accidental Horcrux. Obviously, Voldemort chooses them. Something special has to be done to make one. Just killing someone doesn't suddenly make one, or he would have millions. He has trophies from special murders that he made into Horcruxes, intentionally making seven. You would think he would want all seven before he went to kill Lilly and James, who he knew were quite powerful.

And again, Voldemort left Ginny to die in the Chamber of Secrets. Obviously she's not a Horcrux.

I still think it could be James or Lilly's bodies. No one's addressed that little theory of mine yet, if you scroll up......I had questions at the bottom of my first post in here..anyone wanna read them?

Perhaps...James or Lily's dead body is a horcrux? I mean, he used trophies from his murders as horcruxes...perhaps he just used one of their bodies?...I mean, as we all would assume, of course Harry would want to visit his parents' graves at some point. But why would she make it a point to include that he wanted to? You never know..I mean, as Dumbledore said, it would be foolish to make a horcrux a living thing (another reason Harry and Ginny are not horcruxes, he already has one living thing; why risk another?) so why not just use the dead bodies?

How was Dumbledore's hand burned?

Er, and did anyone catch that Dumbledore said that Snape had caught half of Trelwaney's prophecy, and that's what Voldemort knows?

Oh, and Nicki, I wanna call you and James. Can I now?

[jordanriane]

He killed Harry's father before he went on to kill him [even though his mother stood in front of him] but why would he make Harry a horcrux after he killed James when the reason he went to Godric's Hollow was to kill Harry after hearing half the Prophecy?

I don't know why you quoted what I said, because it's the same thing as what you're saying.

That's what I've been saying.

Voldemort did not want to kill James, Lilly and Harry to make him a horcrux.
He wanted to kill the parents and harry, simply because harry is the "chosen one." (well, to voldemort's knowledge, even though Voldemort could've picked Harry or Neville.)

ok, so here's what happened:

the dark lord kills james and lily, and then went on to kill harry.  the curse, however, backfired.  You cannot stop or dodge a killing curse, but you probably have enough time for one spell.  Thus, the dark lord transfered a segment of his soul to harry.  it wasn't his intention when he went there- but he had to adapt to the circumstances.

I think you should refrain from "here's what happened," seeing as though you haven't the slightest clue.

There wasn't ten minutes in between with Voldemort saying "f**k, the curse failed! I shall make him a horcrux now!" Then he just dies/turns into vapor for no reason whatsoever.

Yeah, wrong.

I'm sorry, but if you have read the books, then you would've read that the minute the curse failed, was when Voldemort died/turned into vapor. Which would mean that he had no time to make a horcrux, or to even think of making a hocrux.

[font=times]And Ginny being one is ridiculous. Is she something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's? No.

Perhaps...James or Lily's dead body is a horcrux? I mean, he used trophies from his murders as horcruxes...perhaps he just used one of their bodies?...I mean, as we all would assume, of course Harry would want to visit his parents' graves at some point. But why would she make it a point to include that he wanted to? You never know..I mean, as Dumbledore said, it would be foolish to make a horcrux a living thing (another reason Harry and Ginny are not horcruxes, he already has one living thing; why risk another?) so why not just use the dead bodies?

First off, it's not rediculous. It's just a theory.

Second, it does not mean the other horcrux will be Ravenclaw or Gryffindor.
It may seem so, but it does not have to be.

Also, Harry parents a horcrux, I doubt it.
DUmbledore mentioned about using inferi as a horcrux, and discredited his own theory (or harry's, can't remember which.) So it's very unlikely Harry's parents would be one.

I mean, you said so yourself, it'll be an object.
Not a dead body (which could be considered an object, but no.) not a person..
Also, it's a theory that Nagini is a horcrux, we could all be wrong, but it seems as if the snake would be one..

[mocassinsx29]

^ 'Cause you said in order to make a Horcrux, you need to kill someone. I said that Voldemort killed Harry's parents before moving onto him. I was also agreeing with you. Sorry if it seemed I was saying you were wrong. >_>

[smrkangl]

mayhaps the locket was not already destroyed, but i have a feeling it is.  it's too easy to just waltz into the black manor and have a scavenger hunt...  no,  if it's not destroyed, it'd have to be challenging to get.  regulus black won't have made it impossible to get too, like the dark lord.  so it's probably destoryed, or the dark lord has it.

would it be possible that the locket was taken by Mundungus Fletcher? (along with the other things he stole from the Black manor)

[JasonBeTheMan]

Earlier someone mentioned Snape being a bad dude...and maybe it was part of a mater plan. Maybe people should lay off Snape until after they read the last book. If you paid attention, you would have noticed that Snape did not kill anyone but Dumbledore. He had his chance at Harry. I know he said that Voldemort wanted Harry for himself, but really......think about it. Dumbledore could have known about the oath Snape took. It seems to me that Dumbledore was stalling Malfoy for Snape to come. Dumbledore pleaded with Snape, but he did not plead for Snape not to kill him. Never onece did Dumbledore sayd.."Severus...please don't kill me". He just said "Severus please.." How do we know that he wasn't pleading with Snape too kill him. Afterall....if Snape didn't complete Malfoy's task, he would have died himself. I believe Dumbledore had something in mind for Snape. He might believe that Snape being alive is much more important than himself being alive. So therefore, I believe that killing Dumbledore was not the decision of Snape, but of Dumbledore himself. Let us remember that if Dumbledore opened his thoughts, Snape could easily have read them. :)

[quinntastic]

Of course I was devasted that Dumbledore died, even more so than Sirius (and he's my fave character). But for me, the third book is the best so far. I'm just afraid she's going to kill everybody in the last book for shock value, and my faint little heart cannot take it anymore!

[mocassinsx29]

The locket theory.

^x3 I thought that maybe Mundungus took it too, I looked back and it didn't say anything falling out of his bag except the goblet with the Black crest. I don't think the locket was destroyed but I think they have to track down Mundungus and then destroying the locket will be complicated as well.

[michelle_07]

[QUOTE]Earlier someone mentioned Snape being a bad dude...and maybe it was part of a mater plan. Maybe people should lay off Snape until after they read the last book. If you paid attention, you would have noticed that Snape did not kill anyone but Dumbledore. He had his chance at Harry. I know he said that Voldemort wanted Harry for himself, but really......think about it. Dumbledore could have known about the oath Snape took. It seems to me that Dumbledore was stalling Malfoy for Snape to come. Dumbledore pleaded with Snape, but he did not plead for Snape not to kill him. Never onece did Dumbledore sayd.."Severus...please don't kill me". He just said "Severus please.." How do we know that he wasn't pleading with Snape too kill him. Afterall....if Snape didn't complete Malfoy's task, he would have died himself. I believe Dumbledore had something in mind for Snape. He might believe that Snape being alive is much more important than himself being alive. So therefore, I believe that killing Dumbledore was not the decision of Snape, but of Dumbledore himself. Let us remember that if Dumbledore opened his thoughts, Snape could easily have read them. :)
[/QUOTE]

^ i hope that's true. but i still really don't like snape. that would make a totally interesting twist for book 7. the only problem with snape killing dumbledore is that dumbledore was the only one who had a good reason to trust snape. now that dumbledore has been killed by snape, if snape truely is still on the good side, no one's gonna believe him.
but i kinda believe that snape still might be.

in the book dumbledore mentioned that the something that belonged to gryffindor was safe in his office, but couldn't gryffindor have had more than one thing belonging to him? couldn't all of the founders have had more than one thing? now that would make things tricky...

i have a question though:
was anyone else a little upset when harry said he wasn't planning on going back to hogwarts for his final year???

[/QUOTE]Of course I was devasted that Dumbledore died, even more so than Sirius (and he's my fave character). But for me, the third book is the best so far. I'm just afraid she's going to kill everybody in the last book for shock value, and my faint little heart cannot take it anymore![/QUOTE]
^i agree.

[sorry, but i don't know why the quotes aren't working...]

[dahding]

sure, it "devasted" me too.

anywho, i think it'd stay as one item per founder. otherwise, "omg, i must go find slytherin's shoe, sock, used condom, hair gel, glasses, second pair of glasses, shotgun, shot glass, porn magazines, fan, paperclips, stapler, books, tweezers, drumsticks, flaming shishkabob, and wallet. AND THEN, i can kill voldemort. "

[*autumn.*]

okay aside from horcruxes...

i think snape is a good guy. dumbledore pleaded for snape to kill him. (probably a very hard thing for snape to do). dumbledore spared his life for harry, which brings the whole "protect harry by dying and shielding him with my love" together, like lilly's.

and the fact that dumbledore REALLY trusted snape. i've read somewhere online that snape could have had a thing for lilly, and was really devasted when he realized that his actions led voldemort to kill her, so he confessed everything to dumbledore? just a theory, though.

go here. http://haneoka.net/karenai/archives/evil.htm

[michelle_07]

sure, it "devasted" me too.

anywho, i think it'd stay as one item per founder. otherwise, "omg, i must go find slytherin's shoe, sock, used condom, hair gel, glasses, second pair of glasses, shotgun, shot glass, porn magazines, fan, paperclips, stapler, books, tweezers, drumsticks, flaming shishkabob, and wallet. AND THEN, i can kill voldemort. "

ROFL. haha. yeah, it probably would just be one thing.
too bad for harry dumbledore never mentioned what ravenclaw's thing could possibly be. i mean, dumbledore should've known what it was right, just not if voldemort actually has it or not.

go here. http://haneoka.net/karenai/archives/evil.htm

^that's really interesting.

[sadolakced acid]

I don't know why you quoted what I said, because it's the same thing as what you're saying.

That's what I've been saying.

Voldemort did not want to kill James, Lilly and Harry to make him a horcrux.
He wanted to kill the parents and harry, simply because harry is the "chosen one." (well, to voldemort's knowledge, even though Voldemort could've picked Harry or Neville.)
I think you should refrain from "here's what happened," seeing as though you haven't the slightest clue.

There wasn't ten minutes in between with Voldemort saying "f**k, the curse failed! I shall make him a horcrux now!" Then he just dies/turns into vapor for no reason whatsoever.

Yeah, wrong.

I'm sorry, but if you have read the books, then you would've read that the minute the curse failed, was when Voldemort died/turned into vapor. Which would mean that he had no time to make a horcrux, or to even think of making a hocrux.

how do you know, exactly? right.

i was saying here's what happened to explain how it could have happened.

i could very well be wrong. but i could also be right.

First off, it's not rediculous. It's just a theory.

Second, it does not mean the other horcrux will be Ravenclaw or Gryffindor.
It may seem so, but it does not have to be.

Also, Harry parents a horcrux, I doubt it.
DUmbledore mentioned about using inferi as a horcrux, and discredited his own theory (or harry's, can't remember which.) So it's very unlikely Harry's parents would be one.

I mean, you said so yourself, it'll be an object.
Not a dead body (which could be considered an object, but no.) not a person..
Also, it's a theory that Nagini is a horcrux, we could all be wrong, but it seems as if the snake would be one..

no, ginny being the 6th horcrux is ridiculus.

why?

because, it would only be a transformation of the first horcrux of the diary into ginny. not the production of another horcrux

to split the soul, the diary would had to have killed someone. and it didn't.

[lovelymissphoebe]

I just loved when Harry got together with Ginny and nearly cried when they broke up!! I don't like Ron with Hermione at all~ the trio should all just be friends