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post Jul 14 2005, 08:51 PM
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So...what is your opinion on the zoo? Now...think about it for a sec. Is it right for animals to be penned up in a cage so people can oogle at them and throw them feed for that 25 cents? Everyone says its educational..but who doesn't know what a monkey looks like? Isn't an encyclopedia a better alternative source to knowing what certain animals look like and their background information? By having them shoved into cages, we are ruining their lifestyle...we feed them food and have them just stand around doing nothing...if that animal were to be sent out to the wild...it wouldn't survive. And let's not forget about the offspring...undergoing an artificial lifestyle, it would impact them heavily also. Is it worth ruining the lifestyles of various animals for the pure sake of "wanting to know what [so-and-so] looks like in real life?"...I don't think that really balances out.
 
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post Jul 14 2005, 09:26 PM
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It really depends on the type of animal. For example, I personally think it's cruel to pen up animals like tigers, lions, etc. Animals that really do thrive in vast and espansive territories. But aren't there animals that honestly don't care? I mean like... chameleons. Oooh. They are in a glass cage. How cruel. Yeaaah, it's not like chameleons really vast plains and rainforests anyway.

Then some people say that animals are safer in zoos. You know, less of a chance they'll be killed off by hunters and go extinct.

...but then again, how would anyone know how the animals feel about it? We can barely understand them, for god's sake!
 
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post Jul 14 2005, 10:58 PM
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name one zoo in america that doesn't put animals behind moats in simulated natural habitats.
 
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post Jul 15 2005, 12:19 AM
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Well, in a way it is wrong.. but, they are put into areas that are similar to their natural habitat. You have to respect the fact that zoos do their best to make the animals feel at home. Each animal has a habitat that resembles one they would naturally live in. Sure, they don't get to live their life out, they don't have to hunt for food or water or shelter during the heat of the day. It's all right there for them. So, think of it as a lifetime vacation for the animals.

But, also know that there are some animals who can't live like that. Some animals, if not allowed to hunt, will refuse to eat. You don't exactly see those animals in the zoos do you? Take into consideration all the animals in zoos are animals who can live in captivity, and do well.

Yea, I know, no natural habitat. Instead, they get one similar, they don't really have to worry about taking care of themselves because people do it for them. And the animals in zoos aren't exactly going to be released into the wild, so it's not harming them.

And it's not like the cages are super small. They have all this space to roam around in. The animals really have it going for them.

Besides.. who doesn't like to visit a zoo and look at all the pretty animals?

(Now, if you're having an animal like a lion or tiger or something as a pet, I will say it's wrong. You shouldn't cage an animal up like that. But having it as a personal pet is different from seeing it in a zoo.)
 
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post Jul 15 2005, 12:43 AM
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hey what a coincidence i was just thinking about this. umm i recently went to six flags great adventure in NJ and they have this new section called "Golden Kingdom" and they have a little exhibit for these tigers i guess there are 3 types of them inside. and im wondering why their areas to play are soo small i saw like at least like 5 -7 of them inside one area and i defintaley dont think its right.

so later on me and my friend decide to watch the show. they bring out the tigers to play and they do a whole presentation on one of the types of tigers that they showed and they said that there are only 30 of them in the world as of right now and 2 of them are at six flags.i forgot what type of tigers were they but i think they were called bengle tigers i dunoo something around that. i was like oh. and they also stated that all of those tigers are in captivity.

im kind of on both sides. i think its bad and good. like i guess most of the rare extinct animals are kept there to keep them alive and help breed the animals. but then again if animals are kept in captivity, they wouldnt be able to survive in the real world. Animals would only learn how to live on their own by watching their own parents and if those animals are taken how are they going to learn?

so im kind of for good and bad.
 
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post Jul 15 2005, 02:47 AM
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Well, I guess it would depend on the quality of the zoo and how well they take care of the animals...


All the animals there are put into areas that are made to be as much like their natural habitats as possible...as long as they're given a large enough living space, enough food and water, and companionship, they should be content.

Animals will always enjoy life most in the wild, but I guess zoos aren't that bad.
 
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post Jul 15 2005, 03:55 PM
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Well ok Some animals shouldn't be kept in cages. But seeing animals in zoos can be educational not just to see what the animals look like but to get first hand experience of seeing certain types of animals that you wouldn't ever see otherwise. And in some cases the animals were animals that people got when they were babies and then when they got too big the owners had to find a way to get rid of them.
 
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post Jul 15 2005, 05:09 PM
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yes, 4 times.

bleh


animals in zoos get free steaks.
they get someone to clean up thier poo every day
and free health care.

i want to live in a zoo.
 
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post Jul 16 2005, 03:40 AM
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QUOTE(ApocalypseAelis @ Jul 15 2005, 1:47 AM)
Well, I guess it would depend on the quality of the zoo and how well they take care of the animals...
All the animals there are put into areas that are made to be as much like their natural habitats as possible...as long as they're given a large enough living space, enough food and water, and companionship, they should be content.

Animals will always enjoy life most in the wild, but I guess zoos aren't that bad.

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but basically, you cant put OUR minds and tihnking into THEIR perspective.

they're animals. they usually don't think that far--unless it's dolphins and such-- animals don't usually have judgement thinking "damn why am i trapped here every day?"

they see life as it is handed to them and nothing more than that. so if it doesn't hurt them, then there's no need to be concerned. it's not like we're abusing them.
 
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post Jul 16 2005, 04:03 AM
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usually zoos in america keep their animals in places made to look like their natural habitat.
 
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post Jul 16 2005, 09:54 AM
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Here in Belgium, most of the animals aren't kept in cages...they are brought up in places similar to their natural habitat...

The only ones that are caged are the dangerous ones of course... snakes/lions...
 
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post Jul 17 2005, 01:56 AM
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So thats means, if you let all the animals goes. more animal would be wipe out.

For an example. Zebra use to be almost "gone" but then they kept them in speical places for reproduction. By catching animals and store them into places, we were able to enjoy our nature for animals that became free to the wild and kept in the cage.

putting them in zoo might be important but i perfer them to be kept once a month and be free to the wild . then .. find another one.
 
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post Jul 17 2005, 05:52 AM
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Most zoos recreate the animal's natural habitat, at least, here.
And I guess it's okay. Since loads of poachng are going around now, some animals might get extinct.
 
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post Jul 17 2005, 08:39 PM
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there are some zoos that cannot provide a good habitat for animals due to space limitation and funding. however, most zoos aren't created solely for our entertainment. they're there to preserve the species that are endangered or to help the animals that were abandoned by their birth parents. i live in the toronto and the zoo here has professional zoologists and vetenarians working with the animals all the time. the reason they allow people in to see these animals is for funding purposes partly. wink.gif
 
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post Jul 17 2005, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(emaleth @ Jul 17 2005, 7:39 PM)
there are some zoos that cannot provide a good habitat for animals due to space limitation and funding. however, most zoos aren't created solely for our entertainment. they're there to preserve the species that are endangered or to help the animals that were abandoned by their birth parents. i live in the toronto and the zoo here has professional zoologists and vetenarians working with the animals all the time. the reason they allow people in to see these animals is for funding purposes partly.  wink.gif
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Yeah, I know what you mean. It depends entirely on the quality of the zoo. If they're kept in small, cramped cages without anyone to tend to them, I'm against it, but if they're in wide open areas and are well tended to, it's fine with me. You can tell if an animal is happy. Okay, now I sound like Jane Goodall or something. But you get my point.
 
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post Jul 19 2005, 08:27 PM
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If the zoo is well maintained, and the animals have adequate space, etc...then it's a good thing. If anyone's read life of pi, there's a part where he talks about how zoos are great for the animals, and it protects them, and gives them food, etc. He makes a very compelling argument. Also, while it also gives us a chance to study them, it gives endagered animals a place to live, because we were the ones that ruined their habitats in the first place.

Of course, like everything, zoos work in theory if all the idealized rules are followed, unfortunately, like all theoretical ideals (communism...etc) there are many reasons why it often just doesn't work. It's all in the execution. If it's done right, it's amazing....if the animals are going to be in 2x4 bird cages.........zoos suck.
 
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if the zoo animals are like those in the movie madagascar laugh.gif

i think we shouldnt put animals in zoos, they belong in the wild. wouldnt it be fun if marsians attack one day and take some of us to a human zoo over in mars? rolleyes.gif

if they really want to see those animals, they should go to their habitats to see. i went to kenya and i saw a lion digging his head into a buffalows tummy.. crazy.gif
 
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People Eating Tasty Animals forever.
 
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QUOTE(masu_misairu @ Jul 14 2005, 8:51 PM)
Is it right for animals to be penned up in a cage so people can oogle at them and throw them feed for that 25 cents?


Yes.

QUOTE(masu_misairu @ Jul 14 2005, 8:51 PM)
Everyone says its educational..but who doesn't know what a monkey looks like?


www.freestarmedia.com --> Scroll down and check out the Social Security Monkey. You've never seen a monkey, until you've seen the Social Security Monkey.

QUOTE(masu_misairu @ Jul 14 2005, 8:51 PM)
Isn't an encyclopedia a better alternative source to knowing what certain animals look like and their background information?


Haha: Ever since Wikipedia was launched, I've learned not to trust encyclopedias.

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By having them shoved into cages, we are ruining their lifestyle...we feed them food and have them just stand around doing nothing...if that animal were to be sent out to the wild...it wouldn't survive.


That's why we should make them cagefight.

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And let's not forget about the offspring...undergoing an artificial lifestyle, it would impact them heavily also.


Animals can have abortions too, you know.

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Is it worth ruining the lifestyles of various animals for the pure sake of "wanting to know what [so-and-so] looks like in real life?"...I don't think that really balances out.


Well, how else are people in Pennsylvania going to see what African creatures look like? Gladiator fests? That's what the Romans did; which brings me back to the cagefight idea. I think it's worth looking in to.
 
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post Jul 26 2005, 03:52 AM
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some animals grow up in zoos. if you let them go out after years of being fed, etc., i doubt they'd survive.

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And let's not forget about the offspring...undergoing an artificial lifestyle it would impact them heavily also.


how...would the offspring know? they wouldn't know anything outside of their environment - the zoo.
 
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post Jul 26 2005, 11:23 AM
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would you rather grow up in a hotel where your bed is made for you every day and you get free food and free health care, or would you rather grow up in an african village where a bed is a pile of straw, you have to hunt for food, and health care is the shaman?
 
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post Jul 26 2005, 12:11 PM
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You'd be surprised; those shamans could teach our PhDs a thing or two about sand healing.
 
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post Jul 26 2005, 12:12 PM
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yea..animals shudnt be caged up...but den lil kids wudnt no wut animals r...well i guz dey cud watch t.v....
 
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You'd be surprised; those shamans could teach our PhDs a thing or two about sand healing.
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ahh, but at the price of a pig or a bushel of tubers.
 

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