Music DL Now Illegal, hm..? Options

[Lightner]

Im sure there are topics on this but, i have some new info from my dad XD so trustful eh? He said that a new law was passed, illegalizing music downloads off of sites, programs, and anything else. Itunes and relations will be only aloud ones. You can download off Limewire, except government has put up fake music for you to download, so then they have access yo your computer. When they do this they are able to get your ip then track you down easily.

So i reccomend you not use them. But i have downloaded tons of music off limewire.... it would suck if it was shut down and stuff. Is this true? You tell me because my dad told me and.... I dunno he could be trying to keep me from downloading music from limewire. But wasnt there a law trying to illegal LimewirE? But then it failed to pass? hmm..... and suggestions of thoughts?

[Kenado]

hmmmm....when you say FAKE do you mean like corrupted or not the real version?

[Lightner]

ya like a music file that LOOKS totally real but when you download it, it hakcs ur computer and messes it up.

[Tung]

no fake music files are music files that look real. are in mp3 format, about the same mb size, and then when you play it..all you here is blank or static and nothign else. =\

[Kenado]

So it's kinda like corrupted music? Kazaa has a lot of those Lime WIre doesnt really have a lot of that though.

[*mipadi*]

I'm skeptical this law has been passed, or that your (or your dad's) interpretation of it is correct.

The Supreme Court recently ruled that developers of filesharing programs can be held liable for copyright infringement, but I think that has been the only recent development in the world of filesharing.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I'm skeptical this law has been passed, or that your (or your dad's) interpretation of it is correct.

The Supreme Court recently ruled that developers of filesharing programs can be held liable for copyright infringement, but I think that has been the only recent development in the world of filesharing.

In other words, fileshare your little heart out.

[*mipadi*]

Well, not really. It's still illegal--it always has been. Companies can still sue individuals for copyright infringement; it just means that they can sue the distributors of filesharing software, too.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Well, not really. It's still illegal--it always has been. Companies can still sue individuals for copyright infringement; it just means that they can sue the distributors of filesharing software, too.

True. But isn't there some point of extremity?

I only have 400 songs on my harddrive...

[*mipadi*]

It's unlikely, but you can technically still be sued, yes.

[Kenado]

Bleh I try not to dl so much sometimes I just download it to hear then I might go out to buy the CD

[KELLYYY]

I heard that you gotta pay when you download music from now on.

That's what I heard on the news.

[Kenado]

my brother said it use to be legal to download from kazaa but now it;s not.

[sm0kinm0nky]

Wasn't it always like illegal to download free music off a program ever since the FFA or something started sueing college kids ?

[PurchasedRebelli...]

Funny thing is, it's illegal for anyone to try to find me as I'm downloading, since IP addresses are now considered to be protected information, just like social security numbers and the like. It's kind of funny how they're making laws simultaneously that counteract one another.

And another funny (as in: enraging) thing is that they're also implementing a tax for mediums for electronic files (such as blank CDs, MP3 players, etc) at the same time as they're making the downloading of said files illegal. So in other words, you're paying a tax for something you're not even allowed to do! Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

[*mipadi*]

I don't think IP addresses qualify as protected information. You broadcast your IP anytime you go online, and it's useful--even necessary--for a lot of sites to record it. It doesn't give away any personal information, either, so I don't see why it would be protected anyway.

[gotahemmi55]

you can always check to see if the file is fake while your downloading it, just double click on it for a preview, and if it's all static, stop downloading. They can only catch you if you download the whole fake version.

yay, i helped people break the law!

[beambitious]

you can always check to see if the file is fake while your downloading it, just double click on it for a preview, and if it's all static, stop downloading.  They can only catch you if you download the whole fake version.

yay, i helped people break the law!

*high five!*
lol jk.

[*mipadi*]

you can always check to see if the file is fake while your downloading it, just double click on it for a preview, and if it's all static, stop downloading.  They can only catch you if you download the whole fake version.

yay, i helped people break the law!

Fake files are just meant to discourage downloading; that's not the only way used to track filesharers.

[starlette]

a law like that was passed a while ago. This is why I dont download anymore. And its the RECORD COMPANIES that are putting out the corrupeted music files, not the government. I would advise against downloading off the internet because they can trace it back to your computer and you can get a fine of over 1,000 dollars. This I do know. It was in the Dallas morning news probably a year or so back, because its happening to a lot more people than you realise. Besides, have a little respect for the people who make that music, Yeah I know, celebrities seems to ahve sooo much money, but they have to invest theire money, and so do the record companies to make that music, plus its a lot of time and hard work. Making music is stranuous as hell. Especially on your voice, which is your money maker. Trust me, I know, because I record in the studio every 2 weeks, and thats hard enough. But yeah, I wouldnt be caught downloading music for free online if I were you guys. The consequences arent worthit. Just go to ebay and buy the cd for 3 bucks.

[pandamonium]

isnt it funny how on the IPOD boxes they are against piracy, but they know if people didnt download songs people wouldnt be buying their MP3 players. its kind of like the government and smoking lol.

[capsule]

so...hmm, i did download a couple of those "fake" music files...all i heard was warped music and other trash...but it was a while ago (couple months at least)...

think i'm liable to getting caught? or would they not concern themselves with someone who only shared 3 mp3s over kazaa....?

oh yea, on topic...of course downloaded mp3s you didnt pay for have and always will be illegal...(unless permission was granted by the copyright holder), and it will only be a matter of time before all those programs such as limewire and kazaa and whatever that's out there get shut down SOME way or another (there may be legal back-up behind em [i.e: xerox could be used as an analogy to a file-sharing program], but...look what happened to napster). and now they released a law which...oh yea, miradi already said it:

The Supreme Court recently ruled that developers of filesharing programs can be held liable for copyright infringement, but I think that has been the only recent development in the world of filesharing.

so now that they plugged up filesharing programs which were proned to be released in the future, they just gotta take down what's present. (limewire, winmx, kazaa, etc.)

[*xcaitlinx*]

isnt it funny how on the IPOD boxes they are against piracy, but they know if people didnt download songs people wouldnt be buying their MP3 players. its kind of like the government and smoking lol.

lol i was thinking about that when i bought my mini. on the little screen cover it said "Don't steal music." You really think that, since a regular ipod can hold over 25,000 songs, people would pay $25,000 to fill it up???? ($1 per song on itunes) That's nuts. Nobody that I know uses itunes and i don't blame them. it's a complete waste of money and if it wasn't for limewire, kazaa, imesh, etc., ipod would be a complete disaster.

[capsule]

lol i was thinking about that when i bought my mini. on the little screen cover it said "Don't steal music." You really think that, since a regular ipod can hold over 25,000 songs, people would pay $25,000 to fill it up???? ($1 per song on itunes) That's nuts. Nobody that I know uses itunes and i don't blame them. it's a complete waste of money and if it wasn't for limewire, kazaa, imesh, etc., ipod would be a complete disaster.

no.

iTunes has gotten really popular, and though not quite on par with free file-sharing softwares, it has certainly gone big, with many willing to pay money for mp3s to put into their iPods. Also, iTunes is NOT a waste of money. 99 cents a song is slightly expensive, yes, but not ridiculously high...besides, at least you're 100% safe and legal. and how do you know people paid a dollar for every song on their iPod? maybe they put some of the songs from albums they've already owned into their iPods. all assumptions...

if nobody you know uses itunes...then you really don't know that many people. Your last statement especially is a total assumption with no evidence to back up with.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/07/20/digital...load/index.html

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6505.cfm

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6562.cfm

Earlier this month the company announced it had sold 430 million downloads altogether. That’s about 330 million downloads since June 2004. If you take away Europe’s contribution of 50 million, then you re left with 280 million, which were sold mostly in the United States. This applies even if you take the Canadian store into account, which launched in December

And no, a regular iPod does NOT store 25,000 songs...a 20GB (standard) 4th gen iPod holds up to 10,000. 20000MB/25000songs = 800kb/song...i don't think so.

[beambitious]

i usually use itunes. but they dont have all bands! may i ask how you could forget ac/dc?! and it's not like they were an unknown band! pathetic...

[*mipadi*]

lol i was thinking about that when i bought my mini. on the little screen cover it said "Don't steal music." You really think that, since a regular ipod can hold over 25,000 songs, people would pay $25,000 to fill it up???? ($1 per song on itunes) That's nuts. Nobody that I know uses itunes and i don't blame them. it's a complete waste of money and if it wasn't for limewire, kazaa, imesh, etc., ipod would be a complete disaster.

You don't have to use the iTunes Music Store to get music for your iPod--you can rip music from CD's you already own, which cost money, too. Or, if you steal music, you can use stolen music on an iPod as well.

I don't get how iTMS is a "complete waste of money" though. If you like to actually buy your music instead of stealing it, it's a pretty good deal.

[pandamonium]

napster has a better plan to buy music though... fill up your ipod for 15 bucks a month instead of paying 1 dollar to each individual song. so i would stick to napsters plan. so thats like 10,000 dollars for a 20GB and what 30 bucks to get how many songs ...?

[*xcaitlinx*]

You don't have to use the iTunes Music Store to get music for your iPod--you can rip music from CD's you already own, which cost money, too. Or, if you steal music, you can use stolen music on an iPod as well.

I don't get how iTMS is a "complete waste of money" though. If you like to actually buy your music instead of stealing it, it's a pretty good deal.

i think that paying $200 for the damn thing should be enough.

[*mipadi*]

napster has a better plan to buy music though... fill up your ipod for 15 bucks a month instead of paying 1 dollar to each individual song. so i would stick to napsters plan. so thats like 10,000 dollars for a 20GB and what 30 bucks to get how many songs ...?

It sounds like a good plan until you cancel your subscription with Napster--and realize that you don't get to keep any of the music you "bought".

[Kenado]

i think that paying $200 for the damn thing should be enough.

Hahaha I agree...

[topsyturvy]

Wow... this is scary business, considering people nowadays just download songs from the internet. Imagine life without WinMX/Limewire and having to buy every single song from iTunes for a friggin dollar each.

Music download was made illegal a long time ago, wasn't it?

[yellowgurl]

i dont reallly dl anything cuz think about it.. the place you are downloading from may have viruses.. it may not be perfectly safe. every single time you hit download thats like connecting ur IP address and then they CAN track you down. I have many friends who use limewire i say just risk it if you want the music but if u're afraid just buy it legally

[PiGo]

It sounds like a good plan until you cancel your subscription with Napster--and realize that you don't get to keep any of the music you "bought".

Couldn't you just upload the music from your iPod to your computer, save it, cancel your subscription, and then put them back on your iPod?

[*mipadi*]

No.

First of all, Napster doesn't even work with the iPod; but it's protected so you can't do stuff like that.

[enyceXaddiction]

bleh i get my music from limewire

[medic]

Im sure there are topics on this but, i have some new info from my dad XD so trustful eh? He said that a new law was passed, illegalizing music downloads off of sites, programs, and anything else. Itunes and relations will be only aloud ones. You can download off Limewire, except government has put up fake music for you to download, so then they have access yo your computer. When they do this they are able to get your ip then track you down easily.

So i reccomend you not use them. But i have downloaded tons of music off limewire.... it would suck if it was shut down and stuff. Is this true? You tell me because my dad told me and.... I dunno he could be trying to keep me from downloading music from limewire. But wasnt there a law trying to illegal LimewirE? But then it failed to pass? hmm..... and suggestions of thoughts?

The law passed was a law that sites such as supernova.com or ellitetorrents.org can be held responsible for providing links to illegal downloads.

I pay for Bear Share pro each month, its $3 a month. I keep all my music if I cancel and well I wont be anytime soon. Plus if I get a letter in the mail or a knock on my door all I have to do is hit the F12 key with my kill disk CD and they can sit and watch it all go away.

And its not like the FBI is gunna knock on your door for downloading a few hundred songs. There after the large BitTorrent downloader’s or people who download 100’s of songs a day like people in college on those fiber networks.

[xMiZziexKiMx]

i think that paying $200 for the damn thing should be enough.

shyeah

[*mipadi*]

And its not like the FBI is gunna knock on your door for downloading a few hundred songs. There after the large BitTorrent downloader’s or people who download 100’s of songs a day like people in college on those fiber networks.

The Supreme Court ruling doesn't make it easier for the FBI to arrest people for copyright infringement; it makes it easier for private groups to sue users for copyright infringement in civil court.

[medic]

Well if that is true than is there any reason the FBI took legal action against Elite Torrents, it should have been the MPAA or the RIAA that went after them. The servers where hosted in another country, why did the FBI shut them down as they did - they had no jurisdiction.

[*mipadi*]

The FBI has jurisdiction, but the recent Supreme Court decision doesn't give them anymore; it gives private groups more rights to sue for infringement.

[squeegizzle]

Theres so many people who use Limewire and Kazaa.....i dont think the government can get them all...its easier for them to go after the servers

[medic]

The FBI has jurisdiction, but the recent Supreme Court decision doesn't give them anymore; it gives private groups more rights to sue for infringement.

You do know that the FBI does not have jurisdiction in a communist country that would enforce the law themselves and would have take the sites down but ruled not to in court, agreeing that it was a violation of the internet privacy set by the Chinas government. The FBI has NO jurisdiction shutting down the server which was hosted in CHINA and the domain was not even bought through a US company. But hey, they'll do it anyway. And the Elite Torrents site will be up again in no time.

Now whats funny is that SuperNova.com can STILL OPERATE and screw people over by charging them for torrent downloads that don't work. And well the FBI would not do anything about that even though FRAUD is illegal. Whats funny is that the same company that bought suprnova.com does it all over the place. They buy the domain such as kazaa.com and take money payments from people who pay for illegal software. Hummm, maybe they should do something about that eh?

Here is a list of all the fraud software they use,
Exeem, exim, exeen, exeeem, exceem, exxem, exxeem, exxim kaaza, kaza, kazar, kazza, cazaa, kasaa, kazzaa, kaazaa, kazaam, kaxaa, kzaa, azaa, ksaa, kasaa, kaza-lite, kaza-light, kazza-lite, kazza-light, diet-kazaa, diet-kaza, kazaa-lite, kazaa-light, kaaza-lite, kaaza-light, k-lite, k-light, klight, klite, kazaaplus, morphus, morfeus, morphios, morphius, mopheus, morphesu, orpheus, gorkster, gokster, gokrster, gorster, groster, suprnova, supernova, sprnova, bit-torrent, bittorrent, bitorrent, torrent, torrents, bit-torent, win-mx, wimmx, winimx, win-nx, wim-mx, wn-mx, download-free-mp3, download-free-mp3s, download-free-music, download-free-movies, download-free-games, download-free-songs, download-free-software, download-free-videos, download-file-sharing, legal-mp3, legal-music, legal-songs, legal-movie, legal-song, legal-mp3s, legal-movies, paid-mp3s, paid-mp3, paid-songs, paid-music, buy-mp3, buy-mp3s, buy-songs, buy-music, lime-wire, laimwire, laim-wire, file-sharing-download, file-sharing-program, file-sharing-software, peer-to-peer-file-sharing, peer-to-peer, file-sharing-music, free-file-sharing, p2p-file-sharing, file-sharing, mp3-file-sharing, mp3-file-sharing-site, file-sharing-movie, shareasaa, shareazaa, sharaza, sheraza, suprnova

[*mipadi*]

You do know that the FBI does not have jurisdiction in a communist country that would enforce the law themselves and would have take the sites down but ruled not to in court, agreeing that it was a violation of the internet privacy set by the Chinas government. The FBI has NO jurisdiction shutting down the server which was hosted in CHINA and the domain was not even bought through a US company. But hey, they'll do it anyway. And the Elite Torrents site will be up again in no time.

I'm not sure where this "community country" and "China" stuff is coming from. The FBI only executed warrants in the US, and the EliteTorrents.org webhost was located in the US.

[medic]

EliteTorrents.org main hosting for the site itself, not the files was in the US. The file server and tracker was located in China and was hosted by a porn company. The site itself such as index and forum and junk where in the US. The star wars episode III file was hosted in another country. With this new law they would have had Jurisdiction to shut down the main site. But the server where the file was hosted is still not in the US.

[*mipadi*]

As far as I know, the FBI did only seize the main server.