Michael Jackson, Innocent or guilty? Options

[YourSuperior]

Do yall believe Michael Jackson molested those kids?
I dont.

[racoons > you]

entertainmetn, or debate even. not the lounge

[*salcha*]

probably debate.

[innovation]

meh, i don't even care much about the michael jackson case; i'm sorry.
haven't kept up with it... someone update me.

[Levy2k6]

i don't really care anymore.. he made some good songs that i enjoy very much but he ain't gonna release nothing new so.. eh for him.

he's as dead as Rick James now to me..

[aznxdreamer]

i think he did. but i dont really care, i dont think people should care. its his personal life if he likes younger men...ahem. yeah. but i still dont think he should go to jail.

[kisstharingz]

NO and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan, I'm saying that because of the facts. I love Michael but I think he really needs some mental help...but no I don't think he did it. The prosecution has done a really crappy job and hasn't presented anything that's incriminating evidence. *shrug*

[*mzkandi*]

innocent until proven guilty is what i say

[*krnxswat*]

i think he did. but i dont really care, i dont think people should care. its his personal life if he likes younger men...ahem. yeah. but i still dont think he should go to jail.

I'll illegal, yaknow.

[swe3ttemptasian]

He could probably find someone to have sex w/ him b/c he's rich. Why would he want to molest kids? But imo i don't care about this trial

[YourSuperior]

NO and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan, I'm saying that because of the facts. I love Michael but I think he really needs some mental help...but no I don't think he did it. The prosecution has done a really crappy job and hasn't presented anything that's incriminating evidence. *shrug*

That's the best one I've had all day. I agree with you.

[*mzkandi*]

i think he did. but i dont really care, i dont think people should care. its his personal life if he likes younger men...ahem. yeah. but i still dont think he should go to jail.

these are children we are talking about. i am not saying he did it but if he did molest a child then everyone should care

[kisstharingz]

these are children we are talking about. i am not saying he did it but if he did molest a child then everyone should care

thats true too

[ItzOnlySydney]

i believe he did. he had child porn in his house for god's sake!

[kisstharingz]

i believe he did. he had child porn in his house for god's sake!

no actually he didn't. Sorry to disappoint you. It was porn with women that had just turned 18, that's as low as he went, 18 year old FEMALES.

[JoeSocks]

No. If u look at him u can tell he rlly is a kid inside. Hes had a bad life. His fatherr abused him to get on stage wen he was 5 and hasnt had a normal childhood since! I watched an interview where he was being interviewed and the reported brought up a rumor about him and his reply was "Its not very nice!" Thats a littl kid! I feel so bad for him. Ppl aere just out to get his money.

[Angel_Cece]

what are you talkin about. there's no poll. put i personally think mj is innocent... its only the media that makes it seem like he did something horrible

[Spirited Away]

what are you talkin about. there's no poll. put i personally think mj is innocent... its only the media that makes it seem like he did something horrible

i killed the poll. there are no polls allowed in debate.

[fameONE]

I have mixed feelings on the topic. Granted he has some psychological issues that really haven't been addressed, would you feel comfortable with letting your 11 year old son stay a weekend at this grown man's house? I sure as hell wouldn't. Whether or not he had any sexual interaction with these children is beyond me but it just doesn't seem right.

Michael Jackson pre-1987 is the Michael Jackson that should be remembered and revered for generations to come. But Michael Jackson post-1992 is the Michael Jackson that will forever be mocked and ridiculed.

Off The Wall was the greatest pop album to ever hit the shelves, btw.

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

michael jackson is a sick bastard. of course he molested those little kids, they even said in all of those documentaries that he always had a fascination with little boys, dont you think all those sleepovers at his house had some sexual relation in it? i think michael jackson needs to be thrown in jail, and not dismiss the case just because he is a celebrity with an assload of money

[kisstharingz]

michael jackson is a sick bastard. of course he molested those little kids, they even said in all of those documentaries that he always had a fascination with little boys, dont you think all those sleepovers at his house had some sexual relation in it? i think michael jackson needs to be thrown in jail, and not dismiss the case just because he is a celebrity with an assload of money

okay, disregarding pryor documentaries, why do you think he molested these kids based on information provided for the cases. Based on the evidence, based on the witnesses. please tell me. I'm trying to understand...

[fameONE]

michael jackson is a sick bastard. of course he molested those little kids, they even said in all of those documentaries that he always had a fascination with little boys, dont you think all those sleepovers at his house had some sexual relation in it? i think michael jackson needs to be thrown in jail, and not dismiss the case just because he is a celebrity with an assload of money

I'm not siding with Michael Jackson in believing he's innocent, however, you do have to admit that in all those documentaries, there is a noticeable strangeness in his manner. He acts like a child so he requires children as his friends. This goes well beyond the fact that he's a celebrity (one of the richest musicians on the planet [owns the rights and royalties to all the Beatles' music, he'll be rich until my grandkids die]) because everytime there is 'groundbreaking' evidence or probable cause, it turns out to be inconclusive. Not to mention the media warping this story into what it is.

What about all the sick bastards that hang out at amusement parks waiting for the opportunity to kidnapp and molest a child?

[ohh_so_elektrikk...]

okay, disregarding pryor documentaries, why do you think he molested these kids based on information provided for the cases. Based on the evidence, based on the witnesses. please tell me. I'm trying to understand...

why would a f**kin 50 something year old man let hundreds of kids come sleepover at his house? they shouldnt blame it on childhood, unless he is autistic, because he has absolutely nothing wrong with him to back up any excuses to bring children to a middle aged mans house. correct me if im wrong, i understand that he didnt have a normal childhood, but to allow a child to sleep in a grown man's bed is just disgusting.

[kisstharingz]

why would a f**kin 50 something year old man let hundreds of kids come sleepover at his house? they shouldnt blame it on childhood, unless he is autistic, because he has absolutely nothing wrong with him to back up any excuses to bring children to a middle aged mans house. correct me if im wrong, i understand that he didnt have a normal childhood, but to allow a child to sleep in a grown man's bed is just disgusting.

but that doesn't make him guilty. its odd, but its not necessarily sexual. you're willing to throw someone in jail because you find it disgusting that children sleep in his bed. no one held a gun to their head and said you little bastard you better sleep in the bed with me. that boy has a brain. he could have said 'no i don't want to'. I understand he was merely 12 at the time, but who's to say he doesn't have any common sense? i know i would have been like "No" and ran out of the room at 12, so its a possiblity he was like that too.

[fameONE]

why would a f**kin 50 something year old man let hundreds of kids come sleepover at his house? they shouldnt blame it on childhood, unless he is autistic, because he has absolutely nothing wrong with him to back up any excuses to bring children to a middle aged mans house. correct me if im wrong, i understand that he didnt have a normal childhood, but to allow a child to sleep in a grown man's bed is just disgusting.

What does autism have to do with this? And how do you know he's not mentally inept to decipher such a situation? You're responses have been rather ill-mannered, kid. Show some respect to those in the forum instead of responding with such rushed ignorance. I get where you're going with this, and, for the most part, I do agree with you, however, back up your replies.

[kisstharingz]

What does autism have to do with this? And how do you know he's not mentally inept to decipher such a situation? You're responses have been rather ill-mannered, kid. Show some respect to those in the forum instead of responding with such rushed ignorance. I get where you're going with this, and, for the most part, I do agree with you, however, back up your replies.

THANK you lol

[sadolakced acid]

can someone get this out of debate?

it's not a debate... there is no setup, or any sort of thing that qualifies it for debate, sans controversy.

[5ayuri]

no actually he didn't. Sorry to disappoint you. It was porn with women that had just turned 18, that's as low as he went, 18 year old FEMALES.

i didnt know he did that...yup pretty low if they had JUST turned 18
but i think he DID.

[JC4P]

i sure dont.
People are just eating up lies and media influence like Pizza. dont belive everythign u hear

[*nightmare4taki*]

innocent until proven guilty is what i say

If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.

[WhiteLotus*]

meh, i don't even care much about the michael jackson case; i'm sorry.
haven't kept up with it... someone update me.

Yeah, me too.

But from what I've heard, I'm skeptical.

But I believe that he is innocent until proven guilty also.

[YourSuperior]

If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.

Thats the way it seems isn't it.

[mouse_3k]

I dont believe it. I think that they are just trying to get some money. Heres my thought

OJ - Innocent
Kobe - Guilty
R.Kelly - Guilty
Micheal Jackson - Innocent

[sadolakced acid]

can someone move this to entertainment?

[sammi rules you]

If your black your guilty until proven innocent unless your OJ.

oh please, that is not true.

[fameONE]

oh please, that is not true.

Can you relate? Are you black? Have you ever had to deal with the legal system as an innocent party and still was treated as guilty? It is true. Wake up.

[sadolakced acid]

Can you relate? Are you black? Have you ever had to deal with the legal system as an innocent party and still was treated as guilty? It is true. Wake up.

and you wonder why there are racists in the world...

[fameONE]

and you wonder why there are racists in the world...

So pointing out a societal injustice makes it ok for people to be racist?

[*basick*]

So pointing out a societal injustice makes it ok for people to be racist?

you are stereotyping can you honestly say that the only black man to get a fair trial was OJ simpson? its no mystery that people of color dont get the same treatment as whites but thats stereotyping

and im chinese

[fameONE]

you are stereotyping can you honestly say that the only black man to get a fair trial was OJ simpson? its no mystery that people of color dont get the same treatment as whites but thats stereotyping

and im chinese

Actually, I'm not. I'm not talking about OJ, because, as far as I'm concerned, he's guilty. What I am saying is that "people of the ebony hue" tend not to get treated as fairly in court as others. History has proven this time and again. For example, Rubin Carter, the great heavyweight (The Hurricane) and his imprisonment for murder.

I'm not sure how things are where you live and I'm not trying to make this an issue of race. Michael Jackson hasn't been a black man since Beat It (I keed, I keed). But seriously, down here in Texas, thats very much the case and the color line is as thick as the great wall, Basick (that was a playful pun since you said you were Chinese... nevermind).

Acid, I just wanted to know where you going with that comment.

TouchMyMonkey, I just wanted to let you know that it is true and, unfortunately, it is like that.

OJ- Guilty
Kobe- Innocent
R. Kelly- Guilty
Michael Jackson- Yes he's messed up in the head but any inappropiate activity with a child makes him guilty.

[aznxdreamer]

can someone move this to entertainment?

i think this is more debate-ish.

[Angel_Cece]

oh crap. im watching the news and they say they have evidence... an accuser (a young boy) knows what mj's penis looks like. they say the description fits mj's penis

[*basick*]

ok whatever

yo you said your cousin was Edmund Saunders, the uconn star.. well i heard he was signed by some NBDL team is he still inthe NBDL?

[fameONE]

ok whatever

yo you said your cousin was Edmund Saunders, the uconn star.. well i heard he was signed by some NBDL team is he still inthe NBDL?

Last I checked he was going to Howard for law.

[to-devastate]

I think he's innocent.
If the kids were molested.. like 5 or 10 years ago.. how come they didn't bring it to court till now? I bet they're just in it for the money.

[Spirited Away]

Actually, I'm not. I'm not talking about OJ, because, as far as I'm concerned, he's guilty. What I am saying is that "people of the ebony hue" tend not to get treated as fairly in court as others. History has proven this time and again.

Statistics also proves that crimes are more often committed by"people of the ebony hue".

I don't think it's "a societal injustice". If you can prove that Blacks are treated like they are guilty before proven innocent in a court house, in other words, the Black man was discriminated because of his color, then I can do no more than agree with you. But until then, what you say doesn't make sense. Keep in mind that I prefer an examples post civil rights movement era. I do not doubt that they exist, but I'm interested in how many cases you can come up with that can justify what you say. This will be a learning experience for me.

[sadolakced acid]

i think this is more debate-ish.

well, it's more a controversial topic, not a debate.

right now we seem to be debating wheter blacks get fair treatment or not.
not about michael jackson.

the topic in itself sets itself up as a poll, not a debate..

anyways: i guesswhile it's here, i'll debate a bit about blacks and fair treatment.


Blacks have historically gotten worse treatment because of thier color. Even the "impartial" courts were biased.

take from the pre-civil war, in the north. if a judge ruled a black was an escaped slave, his payment for the case was 10 dollars. if the judge ruled a black was not an escaped slave, his payment for the case was 5 dollars.

racism was also prevalent. Frederick Douglass tells of how white ship's caulkers would refuse to work beside him because he was black. and this was in the north.

however, this started to change as black people got better treatment. (better than before).
they were gradually given rights, etc.

fast forwards to the 90s.

now, in the 90s, it has gone too far. Compensation to the fact that a person is black is being used.

being black is basically defined as a handicap, and black people are generally treated better when dealing with large coorporations. this is becasue a black person can sue a company for being racist, but when does a white man get to sue a company for racism?

so black people will get much better treatment in job selection, promotions, etc. in order to avoid getting a lawsuit.

however; when it comes to individuals, individuals in america believe they can say what they want because of the first ammendment. Therefore, individuals are more likely to be biased against blacks.

However: this is just a more likely. The jury has a stastistical chance of being biased against a black. however, this does not mean that if a black is brought to court, the jury will be biased against them.

just because more people drown in water when watermellons are ripe doesn't mean watermellons are the cause of drownings. It is because when watermellons are ripe, people are in the water more, because it's summer.

similarly, just because more blacks get a guilty sentence doesn't nessisarily mean there is a bias against blacks in the justice system.

it is more likey that blacks are more likely to be poor, and thus have to have a public defender instead of thier own lawyer. A public defender is more likely to do worse on a case.

[fameONE]

Acid, you explained in a short reply what I had to write for an entrance exam in 1000 words. Props. That also opens up the job placement, standardized test and application argument but thats a whole new thread entirely.

Back to Michael Jackson...

On paper, no color issue, the Smooth Criminal is just that.

[sadolakced acid]

thanks.

alright, about michael jackson... is there really a debate right now? there aren't really that many facts avalible to us (the public) right now...

[sammi rules you]

Acid, you explained in a short reply what I had to write for an entrance exam in 1000 words. Props. That also opens up the job placement, standardized test and application argument but thats a whole new thread entirely.

well then, if you agree with what he said, it's not true, and i was right so...keep your opinion the same..

[Sumiaki]

Okay, I haven't really been following his case. But can someone inform me on what evidence (besides the childs testimony) do the prosecuters have on michael?

[fameONE]

well then, if you agree with what he said, it's not true, and i was right so...keep your opinion the same..

Actually, in a way, we both are. But, whatever

[sadolakced acid]

blacks only seem disadvantaged because there are more poor blacks. it is really poor people who are disadvantaged.

[fameONE]

blacks only seem disadvantaged because there are more poor blacks. it is really poor people who are disadvantaged.

Well, thats a given. In Texas, its the Mexicans who're given a tough time instead of black people. In regards to someone of color getting a stricter ruling in court, the same thing can be applied with Mexicans (in San Antonio, that is).

[YourSuperior]

We're kinda getting off topic here.

[fameONE]

We're kinda getting off topic here.

Ok, ok, my bad. Let's get back to the albino piece of plastic that has a weird fetish for pre-pubescent boys.

[YourSuperior]

What I don't get is, why would they finally confess that MJ did that to them at the LAST minute?

[fameONE]

What I don't get is, why would they finally confess that MJ did that to them at the LAST minute?

Good question. You'd think that if they were really offended by his actions that news of his misconduct would've surfaced much sooner. Not months later.

[crocodilo]

Good question. You'd think that if they were really offended by his actions that news of his misconduct would've surfaced much sooner. Not months later.

Are you defending MJ or suggesting that his actions of pedophilia are acceptable?
I suppose you are
You agree with pedophilia you sick, perverse, retard
You may agree that molestering young chilren is right but the rest of the population who are not retarded don't agree with abnormal butt monkies like you

[sweetxsimplicity]

Of course, if they didn't have proof that he molested kids then his trial probably wouldn't last this long.

[*nightmare4taki*]

oh please, that is not true.

When is the last time you seen a white dude get the sh*t beat out of him for no reason by some cops. Answer me this then, why does the police brutality only happen to black people then? Ive seen a lot of of tapes where a n*gga like myself has got the f*ck beat of them for no apparent reason. But your not black so I guess you probaly couldn't relate.

ANYWAY THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CHILD MOLESTATION SO HE MUST BE INNOCENT.

[AngelTears]

I think he did..

But I think the parents should be blamed as well..

I mean I dont care how much money you want, if Michale Jackson asked if one of my kids wanted to spend the night as his house or go to his ranch..

NO!

I mean, even if it WASNT Michale Jackson why the hell would he want to spend time with 10 year old boys that arnt family? Exactly.

SO I think the Parents should be on trial as well.. what kind of morons..

[sammi rules you]

When is the last time you seen a white dude get the sh*t beat out of him for no reason by some cops. Answer me this then, why does the police brutality only happen to black people then? Ive seen a lot of of tapes where a n*gga like myself has got the f*ck beat of them for no apparent reason. But your not black so I guess you probaly couldn't relate.

ANYWAY THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CHILD MOLESTATION SO HE MUST BE INNOCENT.

there's black cops too, and i haven't seen ANYONE get beat up by cops for no reason, much less only black people. if the cops are racist, that just means they're bad people, but that does not make the entire judicial system racist. if a cop brings a black man into court, and he gets convicted; well then, he probably did it. even if that cop was racist, i doubt the entire jury and the judge and the witnesses were all racist.

anyway, i think michael jackson is guilty for at least one of them; but i doubt all of these kids got molested and are all bringing it up at the same time.

[*nightmare4taki*]

there's black cops too, and i haven't seen ANYONE get beat up by cops for no reason, much less only black people. if the cops are racist, that just means they're bad people, but that does not make the entire judicial system racist. if a cop brings a black man into court, and he gets convicted; well then, he probably did it. even if that cop was racist, i doubt the entire jury and the judge and the witnesses were all racist.

anyway, i think michael jackson is guilty for at least one of them; but i doubt all of these kids got molested and are all bringing it up at the same time.

So you mean to tell me that the kid in Inglewood, California deserved to get the sh*t beat out of him for having a speech impediment. Besides when have you seen a black cop beating up on another person. My people get hit with the taser and yours get treated like royalty. Obviously you must be lost since the government did everything it could to stop the Black Panthers but did not intervene with the KKK. Your not black so you don't see what I see. Not to be arguing Im just stating fact.

[twisted_stripes]

My reaction to the outbr3ak of the news that he's being charged for underage molestation is *wow* and *eww!* haha! but im not sure whether to believe it or not.. but i dont know! it could also be a scam.. hahaha! :D all i wish for is that there will be justice!

[sadolakced acid]

So you mean to tell me that the kid in Inglewood, California deserved to get the sh*t beat out of him for having a speech impediment. Besides when have you seen a black cop beating up on another person. My people get hit with the taser and yours get treated like royalty. Obviously you must be lost since the government did everything it could to stop the Black Panthers but did not intervene with the KKK. Your not black so you don't see what I see. Not to be arguing Im just stating fact.

that is one of the most blantantly racist thing i've heard.

'my people' ? WTF? do think it's blacks against whites?

police are human. humans make mistakes. there have been white teenagers shot too for no apparent reason. however, only the black ones make it into the headlines.

when have you seen a white cop beating on another white guy? when have you seen an white cop beating on a black guy? are white cops only beating on black guys? or are you so racist, you refuse to see it when white cops beat up white guys.

i'll assume that 'my people' are blacks.
and of course, that would mean that blacks get hit by tasers. which is, of course true.
i'll assume that 'your people' are whites.
and the queen of enland is white, so that is true.

however, white people get hit by tasers too.
black people are princes and kings and queens too.

what you fail to understand is that statistics need to be taken in context.

sure; more blacks are arrested, etc. (% wise).
however; what you fail to realize is how much context plays into stats.

there are more blacks (% wise) than whites (% wise) below the poverty line. etc. etc.

it is not blacks that get tasered, it is poor people.

you are mistaking discrimination based upon appearance with discrimination based upon race.


four senarios:

if a black 'dude' walks up to you, with his pants quite baggy and saggying, with a doo rag, oversized shirt, 'bling', etc. with his hand in his pocket, yelling at you at get away from his car

if a white 'dude' walks up to you, with his pants quite baggy and saggying, with a doo rag, oversized shirt, 'bling', etc. with his hand in his pocket, yelling at you at get away from his car

if a black man, well dressed and shaven, walks up to you, with his hand in his pocket and yells at you to get off his car

if a white man, well dressed and shaven, walks up to you, with his hand in his pocket and yells at you to get off his car

and you have a taser
which ones are you going to taser?


about the black panthers.

does the fact that they protested by massing, all with loaded weapons, contribute, you think, to the government's efforts to stop it?

does the fact that one of thier leaders killed a cop have anything to do with the government's efforts to stop them?

does the fact that thier leaders are militants have anything to do with the government's efforts to stop them?

The black panthers' pledge is racist.

the KKK is also racist.

however, they do not create a armed mob in front of government offices.

just becuase the white guy gets treated better than the black guy does not mean the black guy was discriminated against.

to you, i say, you need to change your outlook. blacks and whites are not 'at war', nor are they natural enemies.

[sammi rules you]

thank you justin.

[speight89]

yes because a few years ago he gave a family an out of court settlement for child molestation. Also why do you think him and his lawyers took sickies

[YourSuperior]

Why would they wait so LATE to say he did this stuff though? That's the part I don't get.

[lolthissiteisfun...]

I do, because this has already come up before. Plus he seems to be a sick, sick man.

[*nightmare4taki*]

that is one of the most blantantly racist thing i've heard.

'my people' ?  WTF?  do think it's blacks against whites? 

police are human.  humans make mistakes.   there have been white teenagers shot too for no apparent reason.  however, only the black ones make it into the headlines.

when have you seen a white cop beating on another white guy?  when have you seen an white cop beating on a black guy?  are white cops only beating on black guys?  or are you so racist, you refuse to see it when white cops beat up white guys.

i'll assume that 'my people' are blacks. 
and of course, that would mean that blacks get hit by tasers.  which is, of course true. 
i'll assume that 'your people' are whites.
and the queen of enland is white, so that is true.

however, white people get hit by tasers too. 
black people are princes and kings and queens too.

what you fail to understand is that statistics need to be taken in context. 

sure; more blacks are arrested, etc.  (% wise). 
however; what you fail to realize is how much context plays into stats.

there are more blacks (% wise) than whites (% wise) below the poverty line.  etc. etc.

it is not blacks that get tasered, it is poor people.

you are mistaking discrimination based upon appearance with discrimination based upon race.
four senarios:

if a black 'dude' walks up to you, with his pants quite baggy and saggying, with a doo rag, oversized shirt, 'bling', etc. with his hand in his pocket, yelling at you at get away from his car

if a white 'dude' walks up to you, with his pants quite baggy and saggying, with a doo rag, oversized shirt, 'bling', etc. with his hand in his pocket, yelling at you at get away from his car

if a black man, well dressed and shaven, walks up to you, with his hand in his pocket and yells at you to get off his car

if a white man, well dressed and shaven, walks up to you, with his hand in his pocket and yells at you to get off his car

and you have a taser
which ones are you going to taser?
about the black panthers. 

does the fact that they protested by massing, all with loaded weapons, contribute, you think, to the government's efforts to stop it?

does the fact that one of thier leaders killed a cop have anything to do with the government's efforts to stop them?

does the fact that thier leaders are militants have anything to do with the government's efforts to stop them?

The black panthers' pledge is racist.

the KKK is also racist.

however, they do not create a armed mob in front of government offices.

just becuase the white guy gets treated better than the black guy does not mean the black guy was discriminated against. 

to you, i say, you need to change your outlook.  blacks and whites are not 'at war', nor are they natural enemies.

First off you don't know me. My views will always stay the same. Im no racist, I just witness racism. As a black man I look at things differently from you. Hell if you were black you would fill the same way. My blackness will not allow me to see things any other way. LMAO. IF all this was true then why does racial profiling exist?

Like Tupac said its all a setup. U said there r more poor black people than poor white people. Why is that? There are more white people in the U.S. but yet more Black People behind bars. Black people also get more tickets. Now thats just something I find amazing. IM NO RACIST I just know the truth hurts sometimes.
When I said your people and my people I was just being funny. You would know that if this was a actual conversation and not typed words.
This is off topic anyway.

[fameONE]

Are you defending MJ or suggesting that his actions of pedophilia are acceptable?
I suppose you are
You agree with pedophilia you sick, perverse, retard
You may agree that molestering young chilren is right but the rest of the population who are not retarded don't agree with abnormal butt monkies like you

Maybe your fetish for bukkake is blurring your vision.

1. You insult me on the internet? Get a life.
2. Pedophilia is disgusting, case closed.
3. I don't agree with Michael Jackson, I just think the case is shady.

Let this be a word of advice, before you talk shit on the internet, make sure you have a protected IP address.

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As for police brutality, here's a reality check for this entire forum...

This past week, I had to attend two funerals, one for my grandfather, and one for a distant cousin. Because of my grandfather's sudden passing I was stricken with grief but had no clue on how to handle it. I didn't cry, I didn't vent, I just dealt. When I arrived in Delaware last Tuesday, I got to my cousin's house and, as he told me, blacked out. Later on that evening, it happened again. After resting most of the next day (and a visit to the Doc) I was medicated to 'stay awake' and was sent to run an errand. On the way back home, I blacked out at the wheel, ended up (unharmed) in a ditch and was a bit shook up and disoriented. A cop had flown by, slammed on his brakes, put the car in reverse and stormed to my car. He taps on the window, I begin to open the door, he pulls me out the car, picks me up and slammed me against the door. He kept accusing me of being 'another drunk nigga' and 'another nigga doin drugs.' I took the breathalizer and, surprise, surprise, I wasn't drunk (i don't drink). This a-hole continued to put me through other sobriety tests and I passed them all. Instead of letting me go or helping me get my grandmother's car out of the ditch, he was persistent in accusing me of somehow being intoxicated. I was hit in the gut with the knightstick and knocked to my knees. I cursed at him and he roughed me up some more, cuffed me and took me in for 'resisting arrest.' Two hours later, at the precinct, in a small cell that wreaked of urine, he lets me have my phone call and cut it off at 60 seconds. Even though my grandmother came down and rose hell, no punishment came to this guy and I was let go that night. The cop was black.

[Smooth_Tender_Ki...]

innocent until proven guilty is what i say

[tmauze]

i haven't really kept up with it. but i DO know that micheal jackson is a scary kid with a lot of problems he needs to sort out, and he definately is capable of something like that.

[YourSuperior]

i haven't really kept up with it. but i DO know that micheal jackson is a scary kid with a lot of problems he needs to sort out, and he definately is capable of something like that.

Michael does have problems... BUT that doesn't mean he did that stuff though.

[belg]

well, in my opinion.. he didnt molest those kids... there was like this one incident when the victim's mom called John Lennon for money... dunno if that's true but i believe it.... maybe the victim is using M.Jacksn for money

[starlette]

well, in my opinion.. he didnt molest those kids... there was like this one incident when the victim's mom called John Lennon for money... dunno if that's true but i believe it.... maybe the victim is using M.Jacksn for money

you're right. The woman who hes on trial for her son or whatever, rpeortedly went to Jim Carey, Greorge something (hispanic comedian?) umm Jay lenno and some other people, beggin for money to help her son. She was looking for someone like Michael Jackson who would fall for it. No one else did but him. she uses celebrities for their money.

[heyyfrankie]

i believe that anyway is capable of doing something like that. even michael jackson; but i'm not saying that he did but it doesn't matter what any of us think. it is what the jury decides.

[Ballpointpencil]

Just a thought, the kids may not have come forward because they were ashamed of what they did. I have not been following the case closely of late, namely because MJ bores me, but it happens in other sexual-molestation cases with fair consistency. If the family knew about it and didn't tell, I have no idea why, but if the kids were the only ones who knew about it, they may have thought it was their 'fault' and that they were 'dirty' because of it.

[fameONE]

Even if he didn't do it, he'll be forever remembered for this and not for his 'Off the Wall' album (best pop album ever).

When you think of R. Kelly, what comes to mind? Kobe? Mark Chmura (Google him)? Barry Bonds? OJ?

How many of you realize that Robert Kelly is a self taught musician that feeds millions of dollars into SOuthside Chicago? Who knew that Mark Chmura was once respected by one of the most hard-nosed quarterbacks to ever play the game (Favre)? Who's going to remember Bonds' record after someone out of the steroid light breaks it? Whos going to remember Michael Jackson for being a walking god of music 20 years down the road?

[Kenado]

I don't care and that's his problem if he did

[funbobby]

I think that its a bit damaging to judge him ourselves. I also think that its incredibly hypocritical for the WASP christian culture of America that are very much 'Holier than Thou' to judge him as well. 'Judge not...' 'treat others as you would have them treat you' etc.

[kryzcoak47luv666]

NO!!!!!!!
I'm not a fan but if you look at the facts I honestly can sit here and so no he didn't, at least not the victim in the trial.

If you watched the re-enactments, its all there..

I thought he did until the victim said that when he was in school he was a bad-ass, not in those exact words but yeah, he got suspended a lot and even talked back to teachers.

He says that MJ touched him, and masturbated him one night and they slept in the same bed yada yada yada, then he says that the next two nights he acted normal (borrowing clothes, sleeping with MJ in the same bed ect.) and it happens again

now don't you think if he can cause all those problems in school, he could easily stand up to MJ or at least avoid him.

Also the kid complains how MJ stopped giving him all that stuff (MJ gave him gifts, a car for his family to see him in the hospital, a computer, ect) and he says "in his 12 year old mind" that wasn't enough, the kid and his family obviously want money, and thats why I don't believe he did it.

[miss barnes]

umm.. i dont think he did but, i think he did some things that werent appropriate such as the sleeping in the bed

[frozeniferno]

mj may have bleached, sugerized, slept with kids or what have you. but he is forver the pop king in my heart. *sob sob... ><

[punkymoke]

uh yah. he's so creepy.... dang.

[jue]

i really dont know;

i guess people could just make up these things because it is entertainment

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

I dont. I think people just do it for the publicity

[rOckThISshYt]

NO!!!!!!!
I'm not a fan but if you look at the facts I honestly can sit here and so no he didn't, at least not the victim in the trial.

If you watched the re-enactments, its all there..

I thought he did until the victim said that when he was in school he was a bad-ass, not in those exact words but yeah, he got suspended a lot and even talked back to teachers.

He says that MJ touched him, and masturbated him one night and they slept in the same bed yada yada yada, then he says that the next two nights he acted normal (borrowing clothes, sleeping with MJ in the same bed ect.) and it happens again

now don't you think if he can cause all those problems in school, he could easily stand up to MJ or at least avoid him.

Also the kid complains how MJ stopped giving him all that stuff (MJ gave him gifts, a car for his family to see him in the hospital, a computer, ect) and he says "in his 12 year old mind" that wasn't enough, the kid and his family obviously want money, and thats why I don't believe he did it.

I talk back to teachers when I find it necissary (because, hate to break it to you but, teachers aren't always right and I'm not the type to hear someone spit out shit to me when I have something to say to it). Also, I have been suspended before. Not all the time and I wouldn't consider myself a "bad ass" but it's not like it hasn't happened.

He could stand up to MJ if he wanted to. Maybe he didn't want to though. But let me give you the definiton of molestation. Ha! I can even give you my own personal example (which I will in a few). One of the definitions of molestation is that it is when a legal adult acts inapropriatly towards a legal child.


My personal experiance with child molestation:

Well, I'm thirteen. I used to be extremly stupid. Still, while I was thirteen, I met this guy named Ken. Everyone called him Spike or Blade, though cuz he loved spikes and blades. I called him Spike. So we'll use that name for him. He's 21. Well, I was at the mall with friends one night when I met Spike. I thought he was cute but didn't really do anything. Eventually my friends got us to flirt and what-not. They basicly pushed me into him so I had to kiss him (without tongue). Eventually it got to the point where we were hard-core hooking up in Spencer's. Like, kissing. We didn't do anything besides kissing but we were REALLY close to each other and all that "good" stuff. SOOO... We hung out other nights, too. I never went any farther with him than kissing. We were always in public so it's not like he could rape me or anything. I made sure of that. He wasn't close to me or anything. He was just some druggy that I could have fun with. (He sucked tongue a bit too much, though. Besides that, he was a good kisser.)
So, eventually my friend's mom found out about what was going on with Spike and I. I'm not going to go into that because it's much too complicated. She didn't like me in the fist place and my friend, JT and I weren't even suposed to hang out. But she basicly told the security guards (aka Rent-a-cops) at the mall one night about what was going on. I have no clue how animated she made it. But long story short: he got arrested for molestation. He had to go to court and all that other stuff. I told the police in my statement that even though he implied other things, he never tried to get me to do them and all we had ever done was hook up. I told them everything and was bruetally honest with them. I told them that he kind of touched me through my close on my ass and breasts but I never told him not to or anything. He still got arrested for child molestation. I think a fourty-some year old man jacking off a twelve year old could get him into serious trouble. Especially if a 21 year old could get into serious trouble for kissing a twelve year old. Think about it. Spike got in trouble for it. MJ could, too.

I would like to make it clear to everyone that I am not proud of this experiance but I needed to make a point.

[gOODpIRATE]

the only reason why i like michael jackson is because of the kick-ass songs he made back in the day. nothing more. its his personal life, and i dont see why everyone cares about it.

[rOckThISshYt]

the only reason why i like michael jackson is because of the kick-ass songs he made back in the day. nothing more. its his personal life, and i dont see why everyone cares about it.

I do hate it when people get in other people's personal lives.. usually. But when you're going against proper morals, it should be known. I just don't like the fact that the media is giving it so much attention because it is Michael Jackson. They wouldn't care nearly as much if it was just some "regular" guy. But, I don't like MJ in the first place. Although, I did like thriller. And he was sooo hott WAY BACK WHEN!!! hehe.

[emazing]

No. I think that the mom of the "molested" child just wants to get money.

[fameONE]

This thread is still going? Shouldn't this be in Entertainment?

[*paul murphy*]

In the most recent case, I know he was let offwith everything, but what are YOUR thoughts?

[Paradox of Life]

Didn't someone already make a topic about this?
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=70930

I don't see what the huge deal is. If any other regular person had molested a little boy, no one would've made it so huge. I personally thought he was guilty though because, why would anyone make up a story like that? And he had a background always loving little boys (at his birthday, he invited a ton of little boys), so if he perhaps got a little too close to one, why wouldn't it be true? I'm glad they didn't go crazy on him though becuase I think from a logical standpoint that he shouldn't deserve too big a penalty for doing something that didn't even harm the child.

[*xcaitlinx*]

well, i think he wants your reaction.


what i think is...

IT'S A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!

the only reason why he was let off the hook is because:
a.) he's wealthy
b.) he's famous
c.) famous people testified for him

grrr...im so mad. everyone better watch where their kids are, michael jackson is back on the streets!

[*mona lisa*]

Topics Merged.

[fameONE]

OJ's innocent.
Accused Catholic priests are innocent.
Jonbenet Ramsey's parents are innocent.
Michael Jackson is innocent.

Somethings not righ here

[gOODpIRATE]

eh...maybe not. granted, he does hang around those kids too much though.

[waitwaitwait]

It doesn't really matter if he did or didn't.
He's f**king Michael Jackson, of course he was going to get off scott-free.