Murder mysteries on television Options

[lovescream]

Mhm, excuse me if this topic has been made before. I haven't been in debate lately.

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Well, you see on Court TV and some other television programs that they show murder mysteries. If you don't know, then it's like a show where they tell you about some really big murder case and how they solved who killed who.
This question came up in my mind a few days ago: Should those shows be cancelled?
In my thoughts, I think yes, it should.
Why?
Because the program tells you HOW the person murders that person and WHAT exactly they did. If a serial killer is watching this, it could create some very brilliant ideas for them.
But the police solved this kind of murder already. What's the point of a killer copying what they saw on TV about a crime?
Well, chances are, they could watch more than one and then figure out a greater way to kill someone. >.> It's a possibility.

[sadolakced acid]

no; it'd be interfering with free speech.

anyways: gangs have, because of shows like CSI, started using revolvers (which don't eject casings) and picking up thier casings.

[Rikkiismyname]

OK My favorite show is CSI: and it's cool cause I want to be a crime scene investagator when i graduate college. But I think that it is a goo thing to have it on the air because it shows people what things could happen if you talk to strangers and what not. I mean ....I'm going off and rambling again. AHH well

[XoJennaoX]

I have a really good article on that...

CSI: Accidental Education

I agree with what they say. It is pretty much a gamble that comes with freedom of speech, and that's the price you pay.

Just a thought, but maybe they should stop letting prison inmates watch it, that may help.

[Domonic]

Mhm, excuse me if this topic has been made before. I haven't been in debate lately.

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Well, you see on Court TV and some other television programs that they show murder mysteries. If you don't know, then it's like a show where they tell you about some really big murder case and how they solved who killed who.
This question came up in my mind a few days ago: Should those shows be cancelled?
In my thoughts, I think yes, it should.
Why?
Because the program tells you HOW the person murders that person and WHAT exactly they did. If a serial killer is watching this, it could create some very brilliant ideas for them.
But the police solved this kind of murder already. What's the point of a killer copying what they saw on TV about a crime?
Well, chances are, they could watch more than one and then figure out a greater way to kill someone. >.> It's a possibility.

Wow. If a serial killer is smart enough to get away with murder, I don't think he'd get his plans from a f**king T.V show...

The newspapers, F.B.I, and newscasters tell you how crimes were solved as well. Should we not read? Should we not learn?

What about learning from what we see? I guarantee you that those shows have done more good than harm...I know alot of people that enjoy those shows because they take an interest in CATCHING killers and becoming involved in Crime Investigation.

It would be absurd to cancel those T.V shows based on what you said.

There is so much garbage on T.V and it shocks me that someone would aim at the more intelligent programming, rather than shit like RealityTV.

[lovescream]

^ Criminals COULD take their ideas from a show. It could happen!

And if we're going to learn about what to do with strangers and all those junk to keep ourselves safe, we could learn by the police. They do teach children in school and they repeat the sameeee thingggg everyyyy year. >.> Off-topic. but yeah. Maybe if there weren't the shows in the first place, there wouldn't be criminals and stuff. Because then they wouldn't have anywhere to learn from these stuff in the first place.

[XoJennaoX]

^ Criminals COULD take their ideas from a show. It could happen!

It definately does happen. Statistically it has been proven that criminals are becoming more careful and definitely more clever since these shows have been on the air. Even so it still holds true though that MOST criminals are still...well... idiots.

but yeah. Maybe if there weren't the shows in the first place, there wouldn't be criminals and stuff. Because then they wouldn't have anywhere to learn from these stuff in the first place.[/size]

There wouldn't be criminals? Don't think so....from the begining of time there has been crime and there always will be reguardless of these shows. In fact because of these shows there has been a MAJOR expansion in the forensic science feild and this recent interest uncovers new technology that helps to make our society a safer place. Mind you nothing has significantly changed for the worse. There is no good reason to take them off the air, in fact like Domonic said, it would be disgusting to take off what little intelligent entertainment we have left.

[simx]

no they shouldn't be cancled, simple as that... It's your choice to watch these shows or not... if you don't choose to watch it then thats great.. whatever. and whoever is stupid enough t copy a crime from a TV show, SHOULD get their ass thrown in jail for being such a dumbass.

[heyyfrankie]

OMG, TOBY!! that is exactly what i think whenever i watch those shows. i mean, okay...y'all are literally telling us how to perform the perfect murder/crime! but i think they should be taken off the air for the reason you posted but i also don't want them to because i enjoy watching those kind of shows.

[*mona lisa*]

no they shouldn't be cancled, simple as that... It's your choice to watch these shows or not... if you don't choose to watch it then thats great.. whatever.  and whoever is stupid enough t copy a crime from a TV show, SHOULD get their ass thrown in jail for being such a dumbass.

Yes, it's your choice to watch whatever you want, but it is not your choice to decide what a killer or criminal will think of due to these shows. The shows give ideas. If the criminals are smart, they'll be careful of what they're doing and not do all the things that are shown as to not get caught. And it really doesn't matter where they got the idea from because they'll be killing people anyway, the ones show on TV could give them ideas that they could develop and make it more convenient for them.

[fameONE]

TV is wonderful medium for exploration of your own mind. I'm sure a deranged sociopath living in the basement of his mother's backwoods home understands this as well. The difference between he and I, is that I'm not emotionally and mentally unstable so an episode of Law & Order in which the killer is effectively and intelligently targeting his victims would do nothing to my psyche. Where as this crazy mutha in the backwoods would light up like a pagan fertility symbol (I mean, Christmas tree) and go on a killing spree and, quite possibly, get away with dozens of murders or rapes.

What's my point? It further adds to the dreck of television and the media in general. Just as a 12 year old girl can see Britney Spears giving a lapdance in a music video and get an ingenius idea to perform fellatio under the stairs after school, a religious fanatic can watch CNN and decide to construct a car bomb to kill those of another religion.

Should they be taken off the airwaves? Hell NyesO. Take them off the air and violate our rights or leave them on and violate our minds. Suck on that pro-choice.

[XoJennaoX]

TV is wonderful medium for exploration of your own mind. I'm sure a deranged sociopath living in the basement of his mother's backwoods home understands this as well. The difference between he and I, is that I'm not emotionally and mentally unstable so an episode of Law & Order in which the killer is effectively and intelligently targeting his victims would do nothing to my psyche. Where as this crazy mutha in the backwoods would light up like a pagan fertility symbol (I mean, Christmas tree) and go on a killing spree and, quite possibly, get away with dozens of murders or rapes.

If you are a sociopath there is more than just these shows that can set you off. We
would have to take most everything off the air to ensure that, well maybe everything except reality shows. If you are going to kill somebody, you are going to kill somebody (sooner or later) reguardless of a show....the only difference would be the way in which you go about doing it. True we may be breeding smarter criminals, but in the same manner we are breeding smarter scientists, who join a forensic department because they take an interest in the shows. Both have been proven to have happened.

Now your example, a murderer that is smart enough to get away with dozens of murders and rapes will not be stupid enough to use an idea from a t.v show, considering most cases are solved within 30 minutes of the programing. That would make for a stupid criminal, and we still have plenty of them. And you must remember that these shows are dramatized in favor of the criminal anyway, so to just use some pointers from these shows would hardly insure you would be getting away with murder. A smart criminal would know better, and a dumb sociopath will be set off by just about anything and most likely get caught, so we cannot blame a crime show for that. But what about the other 90% of crime? The common criminal is probably too cracked up to even watch or understand this kind of programing. Since these criminals are still leaving gloves or condoms at the scene of their crimes, this proves most criminals will probably never get it.

Should they be taken off the airwaves? Hell NyesO. Take them off the air and violate our rights or leave them on and violate our minds. Suck on that pro-choice.

Television has become America's obsession, it you havn't noticed. Once you decide to take off intelligent programs in hopes that criminals will stay stupid (which is a far cry from the truth), you simultaneously deprive non-crimnals of learning anything through television entertainment. Yes, so lets take these shows off the air and allow reality t.v to take over and rot the minds of America's youth for future generations. Then we would truely be letting criminals get away with murder.

[fameONE]

If you are a sociopath there is more than just these shows that can set you off. We
would have to take most everything off the air to ensure that, well maybe everything except reality shows. If you are going to kill somebody, you are going to kill somebody (sooner or later) reguardless of a show....the only difference would be the way in which you go about doing it. True we may be breeding smarter criminals, but in the same manner we are breeding smarter scientists, who join a forensic department because they take an interest in the shows. Both have been proven to have happened.

Now your example, a murderer that is smart enough to get away with dozens of murders and rapes will not be stupid enough to use an idea from a t.v show, considering most cases are solved within 30 minutes of the programing. That would make for a stupid criminal, and we still have plenty of them. And you must remember that these shows are dramatized in favor of the criminal anyway, so to just use some pointers from these shows would hardly insure you would be getting away with murder. A smart criminal would know better, and a dumb sociopath will be set off by just about anything and most likely get caught, so we cannot blame a crime show for that. But what about the other 90% of crime? The common criminal is probably too cracked up to even watch or understand this kind of programing. Since these criminals are still leaving gloves or condoms at the scene of their crimes, this proves most criminals will probably never get it.
Television has become America's obsession, it you havn't noticed. Once you decide to take off intelligent programs in hopes that criminals will stay stupid (which is a far cry from the truth), you simultaneously deprive non-crimnals of learning anything through television entertainment. Yes, so lets take these shows off the air and allow reality t.v to take over and rot the minds of America's youth for future generations. Then we would truely be letting criminals get away with murder.

Whos to say whether or not a criminal can be criminally inspired by the media?

And as for that second part, you just confirmed what I was intending to say.

[simx]

Yes, it's your choice to watch whatever you want, but it is not your choice to decide what a killer or criminal will think of due to these shows. The shows give ideas. If the criminals are smart, they'll be careful of what they're doing and not do all the things that are shown as to not get caught. And it really doesn't matter where they got the idea from because they'll be killing people anyway, the ones show on TV could give them ideas that they could develop and make it more convenient for them.

come on get real.... do you REALLY HONESTLY think that if a "killer/criminal" watches a TV show he's gonna go out and kill people???.... thats dumb, if he's gonna kill someone, he's gotta have some kind of motive... not "oh that looks cool, let me try that"

[jnukes]

they should be cancelled ..


criminals could get ideas .. and then when they gett caught .. they could sue tha show that they gott tha idea from .. lol.

but tha ideas could cause big influence on young people ..

[XoJennaoX]

Whos to say whether or not a criminal can be criminally inspired by the media?

That's not what i was saying. No one can prove that, but you are able to compare the time in which these shows have been on the air to the amount of carefully planned crimes, or to the crime rate in general.

they should be cancelled ..
criminals could get ideas .. and then when they gett caught .. they could sue tha show that they gott tha idea from .. lol.

ummm....

but tha ideas could cause big influence on young people ..

Influence to do what? become a CSI agent or a law enforcement officer, yes maybe. To become a criminal? very unlikely, if you understand why most crimes are commited in the first place. The least it could do is give aspiring criminals tips on how to do a better job. "Showing criminals just how comprehensive forensics and police detection have become might actually act as a deterrent to crime, Shaw said. If individuals can't figure out alternatives to the mistakes made by criminals on television, they might be discouraged from committing similar crimes." Unless we start portraying the criminal as the heroic role model of the show, than your perticular concern shouldn't be a problem.
Like i said it is still a gamble, but violent crime has decreased since these shows have been on the air, isn't that a good correlation, so whats the problem?

[sadolakced acid]

criminals are leaving less material evidence, such as thread, bullet casings, saliva, etc. because of forensic shows.

[*mona lisa*]

come on get real.... do you REALLY HONESTLY think that if a "killer/criminal" watches a TV show he's gonna go out and kill people???.... thats dumb, if he's gonna kill someone, he's gotta have some kind of motive... not "oh that looks cool, let me try that"

You get real. I never said they would start to go out and kill people after watching a show. Criminals who did not get caught let's say would be hopeful in that they wouldn't do things that were being shown on TV. They'd be more careful. Not eveyr killing is about motive. What about serial killers? Some don't have motives, let alone feelings. They can shoot people without any reason, or maybe they just felt like killing them.

[*mzkandi*]

Criminals can take their ideas from anywhere, not just shows you see on court tv. If cancelling those shows are the case then we must also cancel the numerous movies based on crime (and how they did or didnt get away with it) and also show like Law and Order and CSI. Now how realistic is that?