White history month?, racism Options

[TreesTurnMeOn]

Okay, so I am not trying to be racist or anything, but who here agrees with me that the black people are getting way more recognition than the whites?

Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair.

Everyone believes that if we have a white history month then we will be racist? We aren't. Blacks are getting everything nowadays and if the white people try to put say into anything, it gets shoved back in our face as a racist comment.

I love black history and everything, but I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever? Does anyone agree with me..

And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake.

[racoons > you]

I agree.

I feel that the American people are over-compensatory towards African-Americans.

Yes, they have been mistreated in the past, and it was a terrible thing. However, while people still hold an attitude of 'let's make everything better', true equality cannot be achieved

[sporadic]

If there were a White History month, all the minorities would probably get huffy.

Yeah, maybe we just shouldn't have any holidays celebrating race or gender.

[racoons > you]

Agreed. from now on all racial or genderish holidays are officially abolished on CB.

Who's With Me!

*cricket cricket*

sigh...

damn the dramatic hormones

[sammi rules you]

i'm with you, don't be discouraged :P

[sadolakced acid]

of course...

if someone when around saying "white pride" they'd be viewed as a racist.

likewise, if someone said 'asian pride' or 'black pride' not many people would care.


a lot of this compensation for minorities has gone too far.

who wants to ressurect the affirmative action debate?

[sammehmyst]

I disagree. Those days were only here because they contributed a lot to america. Whites weren't the slaves now were they?

[TreesTurnMeOn]

I disagree. Those days were only here because they contributed a lot to america. Whites weren't the slaves now were they?

But obviously the blacks in this day in time weren't the slaves, now were they?

[ryfitaDF]

okay, take a gander in your hostory book. all it is is white people. the only thing you read about black people is slavery and thomas crowe laws. the only time you read about asia is when whitey bombed them in WWII and again in vietnam. every month is white history month.

eventually, though, cultural plauralism will probably work out, and their will be no need for any history month of any kind.

[sadolakced acid]

why is there need now?

history months will only encourage the idea that race determins something.

benifits to one race will encourage the idea that that race is inferior and thus needs help.

[Kriegsgefangene]

Did you guys know, that in places like Chicago, there is actually 'Reverse Racism'.

Yup, all the black people go against the whites and stuff. My friend's mom had a brick thrown at her from a black person, that is how bad it can be.

[xquizit]

okay, take a gander in your hostory book. all it is is white people. the only thing you read about black people is slavery and thomas crowe laws. the only time you read about asia is when whitey bombed them in WWII and again in vietnam. every month is white history month.

eventually, though, cultural plauralism will probably work out, and their will be no need for any history month of any kind.

Exactly what I was going to say.

LMAO @ "white people get no recognition whatsoever". Are you serious?

And the reason there are negro college funds is to help black people into college since the majority of people who live in poverty in this country are black folks and some do need the money.

There is affirmative action because there is an underrepresentation of minorities including women in the workplace.

[RandomHero]

They do have a point with the history book. It is all white people. What's black activists month? I've heard of it but never knew what it was. Can someone fill me in?

[racoons > you]

why is there need now?

history months will only encourage the idea that race determins something.

benifits to one race will encourage the idea that that race is inferior and thus needs help.

exactly.

I disagree. Those days were only here because they contributed a lot to america. Whites weren't the slaves now were they?

black people were the slaves, its true, but it took a white man to free them (LIncoln).

the crux of the arguement is, if black people get a special recogniton of their racial history and cullture, why don't white people deserve the same? If a black man says hes proud to be black, alls well and good, but if a white man says he's proud to be white, its all "kkk alert". how is that equality that the minorities strive for?

[misoshiru]

well, i guess it's true in a way. but in all history books, it's focused on whites. ohwell...what happened to the asian history month? damnit.

[racoons > you]

ohwell...what happened to the asian history month? damnit.

equally valid.

[*Weird addiction*]

i totally agree, i AM black and i DONT live in the states but jeez, even in films, when black ppl make groups, nobody consider them as racists but when whites do the same its consider racism, i mean come on! I live in belgium and ive got just 3 black friends, the rest r whites, everytime im always seen with my white friends and VERY rare with my black friends simply because my black friends dont wanna move with my white friends cuz they think they smell like monkeys, WTF??? Most of my enemies r blacks, they call me the white black, i dont get it! Seriously, now adays black ppl r getting more advantages than the whites, its not supposed to be like that, everyone should get equal rights! ARRG im soo mad

[TreesTurnMeOn]

i totally agree, i AM black and i DONT live in the states but jeez, even in films, when black ppl make groups, nobody consider them as racists but when whites do the same its consider racism, i mean come on! I live in belgium and ive got just 3 black friends, the rest r whites, everytime im always seen with my white friends and VERY rare with my black friends simply because my black friends dont wanna move with my white friends cuz they think they smell like monkeys, WTF??? Most of my enemies r blacks, they call me the white black, i dont get it! Seriously, now adays black ppl r getting more advantages than the whites, its not supposed to be like that, everyone should get equal rights! ARRG im soo mad

I completely agree with that.

I understand now about your history book comments. But I kind of would like to change the subject to why black people get more freedom to talk about different races than white people can. It just..doesn't click with me.

[iheartsimba]

well the black history month...was more because of slaves and remembering everything. on the moderate, most black people went through a lot more then white people. yeah i guess it is unfar, how if i was just born black i could celebrate that month, but since i'm white i can't? my ancestors wern't even around during slavery. they came from sweden. but so many black people did go thorugh a lot..

anyway i suppose some black people are actually a little racist to me, just because i am white. they dont even know what my ancestors did...for all they know, they could have helped with the underground railroad or soemthing...actually once again they lived in sweden. but i think some people are a bit to judgemental just for being white..well thats my rant.

[Saeglopur]

You know... sometime soon... way beyond our lifetime... the world will only have one race.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

Oh yeah..I forgot to add something that I learned.

I live in Mississippi, so we learn a lot about the whole slavery deal. Well everybody thinks that we are all bad and crap because our ancestors owned slaves and treated them poorly. That is NOT true.

The only people that owned slaves were rich. Therefore, only 10% of the south owned slaves. That isn't a lot. But if that isn't enough for you, only 3% treated their slaves poorly. The other 7% treated them nicely, like a family member.

And before we go off on southern people, I would like to add that Northern people owned slaves also. They might have owned less slaves, yes, thats true, but about 90% of the northern people that owned slaves treated them poorly also.

[sammehmyst]

But obviously the blacks in this day in time weren't the slaves, now were they?

Yeah but if you've noticed the Black History Month was created to symbolize the past.. -.-

[racoons > you]

The only people that owned slaves were rich. Therefore, only 10% of the south owned slaves. That isn't a lot. But if that isn't enough for you, only 3% treated their slaves poorly. The other 7% treated them nicely, like a family member.

very true. maybe we should just have 'mis-treated slave month'

I understand now about your history book comments. But I kind of would like to change the subject to why black people get more freedom to talk about different races than white people can. It just..doesn't click with me.

its because america has an over-compensatory attitude towards African-Americans, and so everyone is afraid to call them on it, mbecause they've suffered in the past. However, white people have been the abuseres in the past, so its ok to remember that and judge them... warped logic

what people need to remember is that racism doesn't just refer to white people hating blacks. it can be abything from blacks hating whites, to whites hating hispanics, to hipanics hating asians.

[*kryogenix*]

I remember, there was a white-only scholarship, and there was a big fuss over it. I was laughing, because on the PSAT, there's a little box that you can fill in if you are african-american and want to receive scholarships.

[sadolakced acid]

president Lyndon B johnson said this:

"Freedom is not enough. You do not wipe
away the scars of centuries. You do not
take a man who for years has been hobbled
by chains, liberate him, bring him to the
starting line of a race saying, 'You are free to
compete with all the others', and still justly
believe you have been completely fair.
Thus it is not enough to open the
gates of opportunity."

and it has become the ralling cry for those who support affirmative action.


however:

you do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race saying, ' you are free to compete with all the others', and beliving that he is inferior, move him up till he is next to the finish line and tell the others 'now he is equal to you' and belive you have been completely fair.

and yet that is what we have done, with our affirmative action, and our black history month, and all our racist institutions designed to 'level the playing ground'

[sammi rules you]

^ mhm.

just because that happened then doesn't mean it's going on now. african americans are equal to white people. people who had slaves aren't even living now. why use that as an excuse?

[hi-C]

african americans are equal to white people.

While in a perfect world, this would be true, it sadly is not.

I'm Black, I was actually a little bit offended by this topic; forgive me for being "sensitive."

"Blacks are getting everything nowadays" -> Are you kidding me? The highest poverty rates are among minorities.

"I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever?" -> Every other month other than February (and the other minority months, I think March or November is like Hispanic History Month, not too sure about the others) is for the study and reflection of white history.

"And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake." -> Why would you being in the South make you have a propensity for being less racist?

[sammi rules you]

how is every other month for studying white history? just because there's a lot of white people in our countries' history doesn't mean we're studying white history. i'm studying american history and the only reason it's prominitely white people is because during those years, black people weren't allowed to do anything basically. but that doesn't mean it's studying white history.

[hi-C]

Okay, let's call it history from the point of view of the white man. You don't get to see it from the point of view of the minorities in this country. Unfortunately, sub-altern studies isn't coming into the classroom.

[lilphoenix]

technically, we shouldn't have any months relating to any history.

[hi-C]

Oh yes, something I forgot. These "negro colleges." The term is actually "Historically Black Colleges and Universities." It's not like white people can't attend; they don't apply.

[Ington]

There are two ways to make this fair for everyone. Either we make a holiday for every culture or none. Neither of them would work. Thats because everyone CAN NOT be happy at one time.

I happen to be white, and it is a little strange how there are no white holidays. But then i realized, black holidays are celebrated to symbolize moments in history. They are there to remind us of the past and our past mistakes, so that we don't commit to them again. Really, i don't think white people did anything that would help the future yet. Not whites in general. We should have Nobel Peace Prize month instead of White Month. Or something of the sort.

And the topic of race in general; minorities are able to talk about other races but the majority, whites, cannot. This is for one reason. We are scared. Whites know that if one politically incorrect word slips from our mouths we'll be blamed for everything. Minorities however, don't have to think twice. This is because they have the benefit of the doubt. The majority is larger than the minority, so it would make the minority seem weaker, and help them avoid the pressure of being politically incorrect.

As for me, i don't give a crap about race.

okay, take a gander in your hostory book. all it is is white people. the only thing you read about black people is slavery and thomas crowe laws. the only time you read about asia is when whitey bombed them in WWII and again in vietnam. every month is white history month.

eventually, though, cultural plauralism will probably work out, and their will be no need for any history month of any kind.

I believe you're talking about the Jim Crowe laws. Not the thomas crowe laws. Just pointing it out.

God i am one smart 14-year-old

[freeflow]

i totally agree with the history book thing . ya im black and im not racist or anything but all i want to say is everday were in history class we mostly learn about white people , the only time you really here about black people is during black history month or to talkabout them being slaves and how bad there life was. other than that everything else is basically white people that we learn about. it may not be a national holiday but in all our education it is mostly about white people soo that basically is like a white history month exceptit last WAYYY LONGER THAN A MONTH!

like "miss mata" sayd black colleges are not just for black people . its just the white people dont apply.

black history month is just giving black people a time to express themselves . we learn soo much about white history that black history deserves to be noticed

[katssso]

Yah, you have a point.

[sammi rules you]

^ smart 14 year olds are cool. (ok, now this is more up there, but yea.)

okay, take a gander in your hostory book. all it is is white people. the only thing you read about black people is slavery and thomas crowe laws. the only time you read about asia is when whitey bombed them in WWII and again in vietnam. every month is white history month.

eventually, though, cultural plauralism will probably work out, and their will be no need for any history month of any kind.

1) go look at my post before this one.
2) name an important figure in america's history that was asian. nothing against asians, but maybe if this was asia, there'd be more about asia. of course that's the highlight of our history studies of asia, we didn't do much else with them.
3) i actually have a lot about black people in my history book. i have some boston tea party where the first guy shot was black, i have some peanut butter inventing, and i have slavery too, mainly because that's the highlight of black history. go take a gander at black history month, what gets retorted to everyone every year? slavery. duh. not to mention the whole section on the first humans. there's like a whole unit on africans.

[hi-C]

^ smart 14 year olds are cool. (ok, now this is more up there, but yea.)
i actually have a lot about black people in my history book. i have some boston tea party where the first guy shot was black, i have some peanut butter inventing, and i have slavery too, mainly because that's the highlight of black history. go take a gander at black history month, what gets retorted to everyone every year? slavery.

I disagree with you. I think the highlight of BHM is the Civil Rights Movement. And during school, I think we spent more time on the Civil Rights movement than slavery. And you just named the surface of Black History. It's much deeper than that. And if slavery gets retorted to everyone every year it's because forgetting is a dangerous. Remembering keeps us from making the same mistakes. But then again, that's the purpose of most holidays.

[xquizit]

Remembering keeps us from making the same mistakes.

That pretty much sums it up.

[sammi rules you]

in high school, here, we only really focus on the civil rights movement on martin luther king jr day..or did, before it got changed to "important americans day" or whatever.

i learn about slavery a heck of a lot though. maybe it's different in other places.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

i totally agree with the history book thing . ya im black and im not racist or anything but all i want to say is everday were in history class we mostly learn about white people , the only time you really here about black people is during black history month or to talkabout them being slaves and how bad there life was. other than that everything else is basically white people  that we learn about. it may not be a national holiday but in all our education it is mostly about white people soo that basically is like a white history month exceptit last WAYYY LONGER THAN A MONTH!

like  "miss mata" sayd black colleges are not just for black people . its just the white people dont apply.

black history month is just giving black people a time to express themselves . we learn soo much about white history that black history deserves to be noticed

Okay.....maybe the history books are mostly about white people because white people created the country and are the main race (besides indian) that started the country. It isn't because anyone is being racist. It is just a fact that white people played a longer role in history than the black people did. And half of the stuff about the whites are bad becuase half of it has to do with slavery. So really, we never talk about any of the good things white people did. If we took out the some of the slavery sections and put in sections about the good things that white people accomplished, people would go off saying the school board is being racist and not giving blacks enough recognition.

And I never said that whites weren't allowed to go to negro schools. I said that black people are allowed to get scholorships just for their race and white people don't. They get all in our face about being racist and here they are giving out scholorships because of a person's color. You say that black people get the scholorships because most of them live in poverty, but if we say that black people live in poverty, then we will get sued or something like that.

It seems to me like most people look at the racial issues like this. If we get something out of it, no matter if it is harsh or not, then we don't care. But if we state the same exact fact but we don't get anything out of it, then it is horrible.

It is so very confusing

[miss barnes]

Okay, so I am not trying to be racist or anything, but who here agrees with me that the black people are getting way more recognition than the whites

i dont..thats crazy...every day is white day at my school. teachers talk about black history for 28 days and as soon as it hits march 1st they drop the subject like a bad habit

Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair.

so? your point being? oh and its HBC, not negro colleges. there are college funds because most african americans, cant afford to go to college. There are funds for white people too.

Everyone believes that if we have a white history month then we will be racist? We aren't. Blacks are getting everything nowadays and if the white people try to put say into anything, it gets shoved back in our face as a racist commentI love black history and everything, but I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever? Does anyone agree with me..

What is this EVERYTHING that we are getting? please tell me.

And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake.

what living in the south have to do w/ anything. people in the south are the ones that are more racist

[racoons > you]

what living in the south have to do w/ anything. people in the south are the ones that are more racist

surely that's bigotry and state-ism in itself?

you do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race saying, ' you are free to compete with all the others', and beliving that he is inferior, move him up till he is next to the finish line and tell the others 'now he is equal to you' and belive you have been completely fair.

and yet that is what we have done, with our affirmative action, and our black history month, and all our racist institutions designed to 'level the playing ground'

i agree. point well made

black history month is just giving black people a time to express themselves . we learn soo much about white history that black history deserves to be noticed

black history isn't studied as much in schools. i'll grant you that. however, that could be because there's less of it. i mean in terms of proportions, the civil rights period was onl really about a decade odd long, my memories slightly foggy about exact dates. when put together with the rest of what you have so ignorantly termed 'white-history' and month out of 180 odd days of school is more thsan adequate. we actually spent more time than that covering the underground rairoad and the emancipation and the civlil rights period ( although obviously not all at the same tme, im talking combined time here) during 8th grade.

what the crux of the issue is, is that not one's saying black history should be ignored, but that if someone donated a particular month to white history the way that it has been done for black history, it wouldn't be tolerated. why is that? why aren't white people allowed to be proud f THEIR race, in the way that African American's are?

[lAzN YiN YanGl]

If there were a White History month, all the minorities would probably get huffy.

Yeah, maybe we just shouldn't have any holidays celebrating race or gender.

Like you said, all the minorities would get huffy which is the whole point of helping them. Many white people are typically born into prosperitous families or something while african americans or whatever aren't as luck or something. I'm probably wrong but whatever

[racoons > you]

Like you said, all the minorities would get huffy which is the whole point of helping them.

what?

[TreesTurnMeOn]

what?

Yah..what? Lol

And you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. So yea, same thing she said. ^^

[heyyfrankie]

maybe "the blacks" are getting more recognition because they used to not be recognized. as for "the whites" they always got recognition. they are just getting the recognition that they never got.

[inquisitive_]

I really don't understand this thread. How can you say "blacks get all the recognition"? African-Americans are still fighting for equal rights. Which one is most likely to get stopped by a cop: a group of white guys or a group of black guys? In my opinion, they deserve their month. Like MissMata said, "remembering keeps us from making same mistakes".

[ilauqh]

i am white and i agree with you completely. i go to a school where there are no african americans but there are asian and indians. most indians and asians are not rasist but they can be towards white people. and if a white person says one little thing about another race the other races get so angry and curse at them but its okay for their race to say bad stuff about white people. it really bugs me.

[xquizit]

Like you said, all the minorities would get huffy which is the whole point of helping them. Many white people are typically born into prosperitous families or something while african americans or whatever aren't as luck or something. I'm probably wrong but whatever

Well, seeing as how African Americans in this country started off in poor living conditions and poor education after they were released from the bonds of slavery, it has taken a while for them to bring up their status, and they are still struggling to this day.

[Teesa]

I really don't understand this thread. How can you say "blacks get all the recognition"?  African-Americans are still fighting for equal rights. Which one is most likely to get stopped by a cop: a group of white guys or a group of black guys? In my opinion, they deserve their month. Like MissMata said, "remembering keeps us from making same mistakes".

yes, exactly.

black people were the slaves, its true, but it took a white man to free them (LIncoln).

well, obviously it took a white man..he was the president and do you think anyone would listen to a black man talking about the Emancipation Proclamation? I don't think so.

[hi-C]

i'll grant you that. however, that could be because there's less of it. i mean in terms of proportions, the civil rights period was onl really about a decade odd long, my memories slightly foggy about exact dates. when put together with the rest of what you have so ignorantly termed 'white-history' and month out of 180 odd days of school is more thsan adequate.

what the crux of the issue is, is that not one's saying black history should be ignored, but that if someone donated a particular month to white history the way that it has been done for black history, it wouldn't be tolerated. why is that? why aren't white people allowed to be proud f THEIR race, in the way that African American's are?

The Civil Rights Movement was more than a decade long. As a matter of fact, it's still in effect right now. It's not as prominent as it used to be because of people who think the problem has been solved and we're all equal.

And if we call it "white history" it's because you coined the term with your first post.

The reason why there's a Black History Month is because we need it. We're among the poorest in the country, there are still long held biases against us, and so on. There's so many factors working against us, so it's nice to have a small period in which we're able to be recognized for the good that we've done.

[*kryogenix*]

The reason why there's a Black History Month is because we need it.  We're among the poorest in the country, there are still long held biases against us, and so on.  There's so many factors working against us, so it's nice to have a small period in which we're able to be recognized for the good that we've done.

so then how come asian history month isn't widely celebrated? hispanic history month? so on and so forth... are you saying none of the other minorities have long held biases against them, that they haven't done any good?

[racoons > you]

And if we call it "white history" it's because you coined the term with your first post.

i dont recall ever using the term, could you please show me where i did?

And you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. So yea, same thing she said. ^^

lol am a guy. if it was me u were talking to?

It's not as prominent as it used to be because of people who think the problem has been solved and we're all equal.

and as long as people claim you aren't, you never truely will be.

[xGlovex]

i deffinitly agree.
goood topic.

[racoons > you]

i deffinitly agree.
goood topic.

with who?

[TreesTurnMeOn]

lol am a guy. if it was me u were talking to?

Oopsies...sorry. ^^ Same thing HE said.

I'll reply to everything tonite..I have damned tennis

[lAzN YiN YanGl]

how is every other month for studying white history? just because there's a lot of white people in our countries' history doesn't mean we're studying white history. i'm studying american history and the only reason it's prominitely white people is because during those years, black people weren't allowed to do anything basically. but that doesn't mean it's studying white history.

exactly since theres a lot of white people in history of this country whats the point of making a white history month? and it kinda does mean white history cause white people + history = white history

[sammi rules you]

but i learn about people who aren't white all the time, too. it's only a majority cause..sorry to break it to ya, but white people are the majority in this country and have been in history.

i'm not being racist or anything, i'm just saying, if you want so much equality, then make things equal. white people are discriminated against, too.

and if we're basing it on discrimination, then where's my jewish history month?

it's not 1964 anymore, people.

[hi-C]

so then how come asian history month isn't widely celebrated? hispanic history month? so on and so forth... are you saying none of the other minorities have long held biases against them, that they haven't done any good?

I'm not saying that. In fact, I mentioned Hispanic History Month (and I think Asian History Month) in a previous post on this topic. I couldn't tell you why the Asian and Hispanic History months aren't celebrated as widely as Black History month. I know they've been discriminated against in this country and we (all minorities) have to struggle against the same social stigmas. Perhaps it's because race racism, in this country at least, is associated as being Black and white, and therefore other minorities are being overlooked. That and the Hispanic and Asian History Months are relatively new.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

but i learn about people who aren't white all the time, too. it's only a majority cause..sorry to break it to ya, but white people are the majority in this country and have been in history.

i'm not being racist or anything, i'm just saying, if you want so much equality, then make things equal. white people are discriminated against, too.

and if we're basing it on discrimination, then where's my jewish history month?

it's not 1964 anymore, people.

Amen.

[sadolakced acid]

doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month' and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?

[hi-C]

doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month'  and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?

Black History Month wasn't created by white people. It was started as Negro History Week by Carter G. Woodson, a BLACK man. And affirmative action was set in place to help all underepresented populations in the job market and institutions of higher education. So if you were a man and you applied for a job as a nurse, a traditionally female occupation, affirmative action could help you get the job.

[royalfreshness]

Exactly what I was going to say.

LMAO @ "white people get no recognition whatsoever". Are you serious?

And the reason there are negro college funds is to help black people into college since the majority of people who live in poverty in this country are black folks and some do need the money.

There is affirmative action because there is an underrepresentation of minorities including women in the workplace.

I'm sorry that ya'll white people feel that there shouldnt be just a black history month but ALOT of black people do not get ANY recognization. And it's because whites RUN THIS COUNTRY. Being a minority I know that there is soooo much ish I'm going to work 5x harder than a white girl my age. We're not running anything, wo why do you feel so bad? So threatened?

[racoons > you]

^^

to be fair, a lot of white people dont get any regocnition either. there's a hella lot of people oin america, and not a lot of limkelight to go around

[sadolakced acid]

Black History Month wasn't created by white people.  It was started as Negro History Week by Carter G. Woodson, a BLACK man.  And affirmative action was set in place to help all underepresented populations in the job market and institutions of higher education.  So if you were a man and you applied for a job as a nurse, a traditionally female occupation, affirmative action could help you get the job.

the way affirmative action works is, they say "race", you say "black", and you get extra point on your application.

(i never said black history month was created by white people. read it. )

[pandamonium]

doesn't any black person realize that 'black history month' and 'black appreciation month'  and affirmative action are there because whites think you're inferior and need extra help so that you can be 'equal' to them?

i believe that also,
it shouldn't have to matter but just like condelizza rice winning that position i forgot which one but she is now the first "black woman" to reach congress. whites feel they need to have sympathy for the fact that she is black and that blacks werent treated correctly before so they have to specify the race before anything.

personally i dont care about any month being dedicated to any race, i mean we only have 12 months in a year how many more months can we give up, we are gunna have like TV specials every so often we are gunna get sick.

[hi-C]

the way affirmative action works is, they say "race", you say "black", and you get extra point on your application.?

That is not the way affirmative action works. I mean, yes, race is a factor, not just Black, but Asian, Latino, Native American, but you also have to be qualified.

i believe that also,
it shouldn't have to matter but just like condelizza rice winning that position i forgot which one but she is now the first "black woman" to reach congress. whites feel they need to have sympathy for the fact that she is black and that blacks werent treated correctly before so they have to specify the race before anything.

Wait a minute, what does Condoleeza Rice have to do with anything? She's not the first Black woman to reach Congress, she's the first woman of color to hold the position of Secretary of State. And why do you have Black woman in quotes? You don't think she's Black? And her getting the position has nothing to do with her being Black. While I don't agree with some of her policies, her being Republican and all, she's proven a grasp of foreign policy and that she can handle the pressures of the job.

[sadolakced acid]

That is not the way affirmative action works. I mean, yes, race is a factor, not just Black, but Asian, Latino, Native American, but you also have to be qualified.

notice the way i said it works. it works like this:


say a black girl takes a math test. that little race bubble and sex bubble on standardized tests reveals that blacks and girls do worse at math.

so, the black girl gets 5 bonus point on her test for being black, and 5 bonus points.

she gets an 85 on her test, plus her 10 points. so it shows up as a 95.

a white male (the demographic with no benifits) also takes the test, and gets a 94.

if hiring were to be done on the test scores (like the way some college apps work, you get points for say, a 1600 on SATs and stuff and if your score passes a certain benchmark you get in) then the black girl would be chosen.

yet: the white male was better at the math test: he got a 94. the black girl got an 85. but because of affirmative action, the black girl's score was increased to 95, and then it looks like the black girl was better.

that is how affirmative action works. They declare that a certain demographic (blacks, hispanics, females, etc.) are inferior and need extra favor in order to be 'equal' to the rest of the people.

and if anyone accepts this affirmative action and takes the favor it gives, then i say:
you are inferior.

[pandamonium]

 
Wait a minute, what does Condoleeza Rice have to do with anything?  She's not the first Black woman to reach Congress, she's the first woman of color to hold the position of Secretary of State.  And why do you have Black woman in quotes?  You don't think she's Black?  And her getting the position has nothing to do with her being Black.  While I don't agree with some of her policies, her being Republican and all, she's proven a grasp of foreign policy and that she can handle the pressures of the job.

lol you didnt get what i said, i said that they had to say "black woman", if it were a white woman it would just be "woman." its a little off balance, what if african americans were the first to dominate this country and then they would call a black woman just a woman and a white , or an asian whatever nationality they are.

[someflipguy]

Everyone sits there and tells each other that black history is good, black history is bad, why don't we have white history, Affirmitive action this and affirmitive action that. Many of you need to start reading and find out the true meaning of Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, or Asian History Month.

As I quote from many of you "NOT TO SOUND RACIST OR ANYTHING"...

How do you white people know how it is to be a minority? How do you know what we go through everyday? Sure our lives maybe almost the same but its not. Racist people don't bother me, but it still happens everyday. I still can walk into a restaurant these days and get the most evil looks from the workers and the people in the restaurant. Though many of you try to ignore the fact that racism isn't alive it is, just go to your local newspaper and read!!! I bet you will find something in there that has to deal with racism.

If you don't believe in Black History Month and crap then don't Celebrate it, thats why we as Americans have choices. You have the choice to believe in what you want. So you choosing not to believe in Black History Month is your choice.

2) name an important figure in america's history that was asian. nothing against asians, but maybe if this was asia, there'd be more about asia. of course that's the highlight of our history studies of asia, we didn't do much else with them.

To this person...here are your asian americans that made a difference

Dalip Singh Saund made history in 1956 when he became the first Asian elected to Congress.


Did we forget that over 12,000 Chinese helped built the American railroads helping to connect west coast and east coast.


Steven Chu won Noble Peace Prize in Physics, and also created an instrument to measure gravity.


And what about this man.. Jerry Yang... Also one of the creators of what many of you use everyday.. WWW.YAHOO.COM...

So please if you have something to say in here please don't try to sound ignorant, please research!!!

[racoons > you]

there are plenty of ways to be a minority other than race, be it religion, social status, sexuality, and people face discrimination for all these reasons as well.

just because ur white doesn't mean u've never faced discrimination or prejudice.

[lAzN YiN YanGl]

After furthing discussing it with my nerdy friends, I don't think it is racism. If you have some rich asian guy giving scholarships to only asians thats fine because he would want to give it to his own race. It's the same thing with white people. Except this case it would be a White History month. Hm, what I'm trying to say is that I don't think its racial, but I don't think its needed.

[hi-C]

Okay, to sadolakced acid, I'm sure the points aren't as substantial an amount as that. It's probably only a quarter of a point. And if your situation was really like that, the Black girl wouldn't have gotten hired, even with her extra points because of the high difference in overall score. Race and gender are a factor, but it's not everything.

Everyone sits there and tells each other that black history is good, black history is bad, why don't we have white history, Affirmitive action this and affirmitive action that.  Many of you need to start reading and find out the true meaning of Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, or Asian History Month.

As I quote from many of you "NOT TO SOUND RACIST OR ANYTHING"...

How do you white people know how it is to be a minority?  How do you know what we go through everyday?  Sure our lives maybe almost the same but its not.  Racist people don't bother me, but it still happens everyday.  I still can walk into a restaurant these days and get the most evil looks from the workers and the people in the restaurant.  Though many of you try to ignore the fact that racism isn't alive it is, just go to your local newspaper and read!!!  I bet you will find something in there that has to deal with racism.

I love you for pointing this out.

[TrustU2HurtMe]

I was just talking about this earlier this week at school. I don't think its fair that if whites take pride in our race then we're racist, yet those who yell out "Black Power!" and "Asian Pride!" are okay.

How do white people know what its like to be a minority? I've been it for years. I come from one of the only white families in a neighborhood dominated by Tejanos and spent my first 6 years of school where the majority of the population was Black and about 33% was Hispanic. I've been accused of being a racist simply because I was the only white child around. I've been teased and looked down on because of my color. Kids can be so cruel... Now I talk in ebonics most of the time and all the white kids think I'm retarded and the black kids think I'm some sort of poser. -.-

[sadolakced acid]

Okay, to sadolakced acid, I'm sure the points aren't as substantial an amount as that.  It's probably only a quarter of a point.  And if your situation was really like that, the Black girl wouldn't have gotten hired, even with her extra points because of the high difference in overall score.  Race and gender are a factor, but it's not everything.
I love you for pointing this out.

you are wrong.

when you apply to the university of michiagan, you get more points for being black than getting a perfect score on your SATs, even if you got a 1000 on your SATs.

[someflipguy]

you are wrong. 

when you apply to the university of michiagan, you get more points for being black than getting a perfect score on your SATs, even if you got a 1000 on your SATs.

Find me the website or paperwork that backs up your theory!!!

[*kryogenix*]

Find me the website or paperwork that backs up your theory!!!

my english teacher graduated from Michigan and acknowleges that Michigan has one of the most controversial affirmative action policies.

[someflipguy]

my english teacher graduated from Michigan and acknowleges that Michigan has one of the most controversial affirmative action policies.

Still sounds like an opinion... Find me facts!

[*kryogenix*]

Still sounds like an opinion...  Find me facts!

try google.

http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/affirm.html <--- some lawsuits filed against michigan for affirmative action.

[TrustU2HurtMe]

Slightly off topic but just out of curiousity - why does Black History Month only focus on people involved in the Civil Rights Movement? Maybe its a local thing or maybe Black History only means Black American History...but isn't there more to the race than overcoming discrimination?

[The 1 and only J...]

i agree with you. but more importantly there should be a native american month cause they were the first here and the settelers kind of killed them all(yeah im part native american) so there should be a native american month.

[racoons > you]

^^ very true, i think that native americans faired just as badly as Africans, why aren't they specially recognized?

[hi-C]

^ There is one. It's just not as widely celebrated as BHM. Not sure why.

And Michigan is just one example. Find me at least three more.

[sammi rules you]

um, ok there's been several people who have said white people don't know what it's like to be discriminated against, and i'm not going to quote it all.

yea, what would happen to me if i just happened to walk into harlem and be like "hi, what's your name?" do you think most of the people there would just open up and be perfectly friendly to me? no. because i'm white, and the majority there is black. it's a black community. now, if i was black and went there, i would be more accepted.

now, i'm white. a lot of jewish people in the united states are white. my mom's side of the family is jewish. now, in new york, there's a large jewish population. being jewish is more widely accepted. however, i do not live there. i live in indiana, where 96% of the population is christian. jewish people are discriminated against here, and don't get even a quarter of the recognition that christians get here. there is one eensy little temple 40 minutes away from my house. next door to it there's an extremely large church that takes up the length of the entire street in front of it. (the temple is up right next to the street and the church is deeper into that block of land) the few jewish people here have complained to our mayor to support our cause and make a bigger temple, since we don't have the money. last year he gave $100,000+ to another church to add on, so of course, we figured we'd get money too, since our temple is very cramped especially on rosh hashana and yom kippur (the holidays i usually go on). but no. there's too small of a jewish population.


do not try and tell me that white people aren't discriminated against. don't tell me i don't know what it's like to be a minority. sure, i may not be a minority in race, but i am a minority. people classify me as ignorant because i'm white, but that's not the case. i am just as educated as anyone else, and i am all for equality. i am not racist whatsoever.

and thank you for pointing out important asians in america's history, i wasn't aware. no, we probably don't spend enough time learning about asians in school. we did learn about a lot of things happening in asia in world history though (i took it last trimester). just not so much in earlier years, since we focused on american history. but make sure you do realize - it's not that i don't know about them because i'm white, it's because i wasn't taught. i don't live in a place with a lot of asians so it's not widely recognized. alina goes to my school and she's asian and she said she only knew about the yahoo guy.

long post. oh well.

[Ington]

now, i'm white. a lot of jewish people in the united states are white. my mom's side of the family is jewish. now, in new york, there's a large jewish population. being jewish is more widely accepted. however, i do not live there. i live in indiana, where 96% of the population is christian. jewish people are discriminated against here, and don't get even a quarter of the recognition that christians get here. there is one eensy little temple 40 minutes away from my house. next door to it there's an extremely large church that takes up the length of the entire street in front of it. (the temple is up right next to the street and the church is deeper into that block of land) the few jewish people here have complained to our mayor to support our cause and make a bigger temple, since we don't have the money. last year he gave $100,000+ to another church to add on, so of course, we figured we'd get money too, since our temple is very cramped especially on rosh hashana and yom kippur (the holidays i usually go on). but no. there's too small of a jewish population.
do not try and tell me that white people aren't discriminated against. don't tell me i don't know what it's like to be a minority. sure, i may not be a minority in race, but i am a minority. people classify me as ignorant because i'm white, but that's not the case. i am just as educated as anyone else, and i am all for equality. i am not racist whatsoever.

Ah god thats terrible. I'm Jewish too, but luckily i live in New York. However, i've heard that in areas such as Montana and Oregon, people still believe that Jewish people are satanic creatures with horns and a devil's tail. And I'm serious. They really do believe it.

[sadolakced acid]

"Yet even the university acknowledges that the results of the new system, which gives undergraduate minority applicants an automatic 20-point advantage (on a 150-point scale that provides only 12 points for a perfect SAT score) are no different than the old. As the judge himself was forced to concede: "If race were not taken into account, the probability of acceptance would be cut dramatically."

from http://www.adversity.net/education_2_michu_2.htm

as you can see, being black will give you 20 extra points, while getting a perfect SAT score gives you 12 extra points.

^ There is one. It's just not as widely celebrated as BHM. Not sure why.

And Michigan is just one example. Find me at least three more.

so one injustic isn't enough?


what if some KKK went into a school and shot all the black students? would you say "that's just there. find me threee examples where the KKK has killed students in school" ? you wouldn't

if there were a university that had a 20 point bonus for white, would you want three examples? you wouldn't


Justic is not achieved by tipping the scale based on race.

[megmanson]

I have to say, I agree with everyone. I agree with ryfitaDF, white people are recognized every single day. When you think about blacks in history, all that comes to mind is Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King. I don't know if that's simply because that was the only time they really stood out in the grand scheme of things (which I highly doubt is true), or if it was because white people control what is taught... although I highly doubt that as well, because in today's histroy books, they also teach you that slavery and discrimination was WRONG, so we can't say that they're biased.

I do agree that "Black History Month" is a little bit... well, it kind of leaves the rest of us out. I think that we shouldn't focus on educating about blacks for one month a year, but instead, we should focus on ALL minorities ALL the time.


-Meg

[LiLEthiopian]

okay, take a gander in your hostory book. all it is is white people. the only thing you read about black people is slavery and thomas crowe laws. the only time you read about asia is when whitey bombed them in WWII and again in vietnam. every month is white history month.

eventually, though, cultural plauralism will probably work out, and their will be no need for any history month of any kind.

THANK YOU.

[hi-C]

what if some KKK went into a school and shot all the black students?  would you say "that's just there.  find me threee examples where the KKK has killed students in school"  ?  you wouldn't

That is such a stretch of the imagination and as such doesn't really make sense with your argument.

[racoons > you]

^^

makes sense to me... read it again.

^ There is one. It's just not as widely celebrated as BHM. Not sure why.

thats the point of the debate! why are balck people recognized more than, not only whites, but every other minority, when many have suffered as much as tehy have

[Azn Kid from NY]

to MarchHare2UrAlice....

how the f**k are blacks more recognized than whites? the world u see today is shaped and created by white men...the clothes we wear, the language we're speaking, EVERYTHING.....u are an ignorant bastard....

NO other minority has suffered more than blacks....use ur f**king brain... they were enslaved by the white man for centuries...Africa was robbed and destroyed....the reason they are in poverty today is because whites just came, manipulated them, took all resources, and ENSLAVED THEM...and NOW LOOK AT AFRICA, Whites dont do shit to make up for the crimes they committed against blacks....

sometimes, u REALLY CANNOT blame blacks....all of this is the result of HUNDREDS of years of manipulation, destruction, and enslavement at the hands of white people....and now u are gonna come up in here and say all this shit about how whites should have their holiday, and COMPLAINING that blacks get so much more than whites....

...also whites massecred the native americans...MILLIONS of them WIPED OUT...the land we live on, is actually STOLEN LAND, its not rightfully yours...

and no MarchHare2UrAlice, ur not racist, ur just a f**king idiot....why dont u put urself in the other persons shoes..u should be f**king ashamed of urself....

[sammi rules you]

^

yes, cause jewish white people did not suffer at all, cause they weren't massacred either or anything..

*sigh*

and you just talked about how native americans suffered, yet you said black people have suffered more than anything. righteeo then.

also you do realize all of those people are dead now, and it's not happening so much now.

yea, america doesn't give any money to africa at all..

and you know, in darfur, black people are killing other black people because they're darker so..don't blame all the killings on white people in general. just because we're white doesn't mean we go on a bunch of killing sprees. we're not all racist. you're actually discriminating against us by categorizing us as a general race.

the world u see today is shaped and created by white men...the clothes we wear, the language we're speaking, EVERYTHING.....u are an ignorant bastard....

right, cause not one person who isn't black has ever said "yo" or "what's up?" or anything. rap is definitely not the most popular music genre, and baby phat is completely a white person company. mtv makes all of its money off of white people and pays no attention to the black celebrities whatsoever. yes, everything is controlled by white people.

[Azn Kid from NY]

yes, cause jewish white people did not suffer at all, cause they weren't massacred either or anything..

ok dumbass, i said THROUGHOUT HISTORY...blacks suffrered the most, WHICH THEY DID...

and you just talked about how native americans suffered, yet you said black people have suffered more than anything. righteeo then.

yeah....native americans did suffer, did i say they suffered more than blacks? no i didnt...and what point are u trying to make?

...idiot

also you do realize all of those people are dead now, and it's not happening so much now.

oh so since their dead, it just erases all the crimes??....whites still owe some responsibility for the things their race have done to blacks, native americans, and others...u cant just drop it so conviently like that....

and you know, in darfur, black people are killing other black people because they're darker so..don't blame all the killings on white people in general. just because we're white doesn't mean we go on a bunch of killing sprees. we're not all racist. you're actually discriminating against us by categorizing us as a general race.

hey, can u quote me saying that white people are racist? when did i say that? where the f**k did i ever say that?

exactly.....f**king idiot.....im not accusing white people today of being racist at all...THINK...before u make a fool of urself....

[sammi rules you]

please don't insult me, i have not insulted you.

ok dumbass, i said THROUGHOUT HISTORY...blacks suffrered the most, WHICH THEY DID...

um, black people were enslaved and discriminated against..
jewish people were massacred and discriminated against..
?? i think it's pretty equal.

oh so since their dead, it just erases all the crimes??....whites still owe some responsibility for the things their race have done to blacks, native americans, and others...u cant just drop it so conviently like that....

i didn't say it erases the crimes, but we haven't done anything. are you saying jewish people should still be blamed for killing jesus? i haven't ever done anything against a black person, but i should still be blamed for what people of my race have done? ok then, i apologize for any discomfort i've caused you for being white.

...also whites massecred the native americans...MILLIONS of them WIPED OUT...the land we live on, is actually STOLEN LAND, its not rightfully yours...

hey look at that, you live on it too!

[Azn Kid from NY]

i didn't say it erases the crimes, but we haven't done anything. are you saying jewish people should still be blamed for killing jesus? i haven't ever done anything against a black person, but i should still be blamed for what people of my race have done?

of course u have a point....but....then what will we do? SOMETHING gotta be done....the crimes and atrocities committed by whites against the blacks, native americans, and others are SO GREAT...

......and then u white kids are gonna come up and complain about how "blacks get more help" and "blacks are given advantages"

.....makes me sick

[sammi rules you]

something is being done, that's what we're debating about. we're not saying get rid of black history month and stuff, we're just wanting to make everything equal, since that's what it was about in the first place.

if i go talk to any black person in here and ask them if they were enslaved, are they gonna say yes?
no they're not.

if i am jewish and i put on my test that i am am i gonna get as much extra points as black people get?
no i am not.

did my great-grandmother die in the holocaust?
yes she did.

do i get any recognition for that?
no i don't.

and i'm not just trying to talk about jewish people, it's all types. black people do get more recognition than others because they're black. sure, white people are the majority and there's a lot of things about white people, but it's not because they're white. black people get more recognition purely because they're black, and that's what's not fair. sure, crimes were committed in the past by white people, but i didn't do anything. why should i be blamed? i'm against racist white people, yet i'm blamed for the crimes they've committed.

people have committed crimes against white people too, ya know.

[KrunkMuzik]

WTF?!? Ok...I know you're not being racists or anything but....HELLO! Practically every holiday in the US was originated by white's! Almost everything in the US involved whites. Having a Black History month or in my case a Hispanic Heritage month is just a way of recognition to minorities. You guys obviously AREN'T minorities....And Im too am NOT trying to be racist.

[sammi rules you]

read the rest of the thread, then reply.

[hi-C]

something is being done, that's what we're debating about. we're not saying get rid of black history month and stuff, we're just wanting to make everything equal, since that's what it was about in the first place.

That's not what was proposed. It was to recognize a white history month. The first post said nothing about honoring other minorities.

And I kind of agree with you, Jewish and Black people did get a copious amount of mistreatment and injustice, Jewish perhaps more than Blacks. But then again, African history isn't well documented, so who knows?

I know that white people nowadays aren't responsible for the horrors of past centuries. But it did happen and we shouldn't just scrap it. Hispanic History Month, Asian History Month, Native American History Month, Jewish History Month, those are all things that need to be widely celebrated. The reason why BHM got so big is because we organized it, we demanded it, we fought for it. Get those groups to do the same.

[sammi rules you]

we're not saying get rid of black history month and stuff, we're just wanting to make everything equal, since that's what it was about in the first place.

i never said we should scrap it.

[racoons > you]

ur just a f**king idiot....why dont u put urself in the other persons shoes..u should be f**king ashamed of urself....

well arent u a conversational delight?

this is a debate,and the pointis to put a viewpoint across, if u dont like it, why are u participating?

...also whites massecred the native americans...MILLIONS of them WIPED OUT...the land we live on, is actually STOLEN LAND, its not rightfully yours...

i dont particularly want it. i live in england

ok dumbass, i said THROUGHOUT HISTORY...blacks suffrered the most, WHICH THEY DID...

i really dont think thats entirely true. what about the tower of york incedent? when a whole town of Jews was pushed inside and burnt alive? round about 1000 AD if my memory serves me right, or a bit later.
Anti-Semitism is probably the oldest surviving form of predjudice around, as touch and MissMata pointed out

That's not what was proposed. It was to recognize a white history month. The first post said nothing about honoring other minorities.

ture. although i think its moved beyond that now.

know that white people nowadays aren't responsible for the horrors of past centuries. But it did happen and we shouldn't just scrap it. Hispanic History Month, Asian History Month, Native American History Month, Jewish History Month, those are all things that need to be widely celebrated. The reason why BHM got so big is because we organized it, we demanded it, we fought for it. Get those groups to do the same.

fair point.

......and then u white kids are gonna come up and complain about how "blacks get more help" and "blacks are given advantages"

.....makes me sick

thats not ecxactly what was said. what people, specifically Sadolek (sp?, sorry) Acid has said, and proven, is that in certain situations, being black can be beneficial, such as on colledge apps. if u have some figures which disproves this. please share and we will duly aknowledge them.

and just out of interest, why does the site auto-censor f**k but not f**king? tis odd to me... but there u go