Persident Bush as Time's 'Person of the Year', what do you all think of it? Options

[*not_your_average*]

This year, Time Magazine has chosen President Bush as "Person of the Year."

Do you feel he deserves that title? Why or why not? Their articles about him pose an excellent argument, but I still would like to hear your opinions. I personally am appalled, but that's just me.

Sorry about the big mess-up on the name. it was supposed to be president, not 'persident.' Dang, I've edited this post 4 times in a row!

[ComradeRed]

Even Hitler was TIME Man of the Year once...



And another Nazi too, Erich von Manstein (this was actually during WWII):

[*tweeak*]

we have a topic on this in the lounge. i think its called "ahahahahaha" or something along those lines

newly elected presidents are always the person of the year. so basically, it predetermined every 4 years

[*not_your_average*]

Oh, crap, I didn't know that! Man, I thought I had a good debate going.

[sadolakced acid]

Mr. Bush is the best president we've had since 2001.

[comeupon]

Mr.  Bush is the best president we've had since 2001.

ahahaha

[*tweeak*]

Mr.  Bush is the best president we've had since 2001.

ha ha ha very funny

[*not_your_average*]

I don't get it.. please explain, someone!

****EDIT**** Wait, now I get it!

[KissMe2408]

He definetly deserves to be person of the year.

[Tung]

ahahh person of the year? that some crap. i wonder how much money he payed time to be that.. ahah jp

[ComradeRed]

Bush was definitely one of the most influential people this year...

[sadolakced acid]

yes, bush was quite infuential on new this year.

but year 2001, the person of the year was rudy guilliani, when it clearly should have been osama bin laden.

politics does inflluence the choice.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

Well, I think he is a good president. I don't think he is good enough to deserve Person of the Year because he has had his faults, but he made them up. Very nicely might I add.

He has his stupid moments, but that just goes to show that noone is perfect and I like a president that isn't the smartest person in the world. It lets the people know that he isn't some hi tech robot from Swansakiga. (whatever that is )

I totally agree with everything he does. Doesn't deserve it but is definately a great president and person.

[sadolakced acid]

in case you didn't know, person of the year is awarded to the person who had the most influence on news that year.

[strice]

yeah, it's not "Who made the world a better place" it's "Who f**ked things up the most for better or for worse" and bush definitely deserves that title. emphasis on "worse" though.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

in case you didn't know, person of the year is awarded to the person who had the most influence on news that year.

Oh, sorry. I didn't know it meant that. "Person of the Year" makes it sound like well....person of the year? Sorry about the confusion.

[*Statistik*]

No shit, because he's the president..he's like the most highest-class person of the U.S. so he deserves it..who else does..?

[*tweeak*]

no, jason, just because he won the election doesnt make him the "most highest-class" (youre killing me) person. even if he were the "most highest-class person", that doesnt mean he necessarily the best or most influential person.

[*not_your_average*]

I personally think that even though he's the president, he really effed up things in this country. We're hated by the entire world, so his foreign policy is well, really, really crappy. Plus, he friggin' bankrupted the U.S. treasury, and he lied about WMDs in Iraq, so we know that he's only going to war for oil. Oh, and did I mention that he set the record for the highest deficit ever made by a U.S. president???? (It was tough to beat Reagan, but he did it!!) Over $5,000,000,000! Let's also talk about how, according to a Gallup poll, he had a 53% approval rating after the election. That seems pretty good, if you don't mention the fact that's it's the lowest approval rating ever for a U.S. president after an election!

And, yet, he's not willing to admit any of those mistakes. But I'm sure he's a really nice guy! Let's give it to him anyway!

[sadolakced acid]

i think tho, this is really crap. not because of any of bush's politics and stuff, because he didn't influence news the most...

it's most likely kerry... there were tons more time issues about kerry than about bush...

needless to say if kerry had won the election, and had gotten two more months of news, he would have won.

it's either kerry or saddam hussein, becuase of his caputure.


bush just isn't in the news that much...

[Teesa]

i think tho, this is really crap.  not because of any of bush's politics and stuff, because he didn't influence news the most... 

it's most likely kerry...  there were tons more time issues about kerry than about bush... 

needless to say if kerry had won the election, and had gotten two more months of news, he would have won. 

it's either kerry or saddam hussein, becuase of his caputure.


bush just isn't in the news that much...

TRUE TRUE..WE JUST GOT THAT IN THE MAIL..I THINK IT'S IN THE TRASH.. //OH WELL..

[sunissed14127]

Mr.  Bush is the best president we've had since 2001.

omg that was sooo funny......lololol....I really do hope your joking, because I'm not. He is the worst president yet. god please help him....and yes, he got person of the year because he started this stupid war.

[RandomHero]

Well, I think he is a good president. I don't think he is good enough to deserve Person of the Year because he has had his faults, but he made them up. Very nicely might I add.

He has his stupid moments, but that just goes to show that noone is perfect and I like a president that isn't the smartest person in the world. It lets the people know that he isn't some hi tech robot from Swansakiga. (whatever that is )

I totally agree with everything he does. Doesn't deserve it but is definately a great president and person.

I couldn't have said it better.

[ApunBindaas]

Bush getting it is fine with me. He did break records with his second term so why not? Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he doesn't deserve it.

[sadolakced acid]

he broke records...

bush has:


(note the first person is used to refer to Bush)
(taken from http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html)


#

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
#

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
#

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
#

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
#

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
#

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
#

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
#

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
#

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
#

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
#

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
#

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
#

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
#

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.
#

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
#

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
#

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
#

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
#

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
#

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
#

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
#

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.
#

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
#

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
#

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
#

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
#

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
#

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
#

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
#

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
#

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
#

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
#

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
#

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
#

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
#

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
#

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
#

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
#

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
#

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
#

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
#

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
#

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
#

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
#

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
#

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
#

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
#

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
#

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
#

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


*

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
*

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
*

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
*

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
*

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
*

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
*

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
*

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

[ryfitaDF]

ofcourse he's the person of the year. he's single handedly destroying the world ans STILL got a little more than half of america to vote for him. not to mension killing thousands of innocent people and getting away with it. if i could do that i'd expect some kind of award.

[*not_your_average*]

true, true.

[iheartjohn]

Even though I support Bush, if I was picking Person of the Year, I would pick all the soldiers fighting overseas, in general, to be the People of the Year. They deserve it.

[*not_your_average*]

They were actually chosen a couple years ago I think.

[aznxdreamer]

no, he does not derserve this title. no one is the person of the year if they started a war. who should be person of the year? martha steward

[*tweeak*]

martha stewart? are you f**king kidding?

[sadolakced acid]

in case you didn't know, person of the year is awarded to the person who had the most influence on news that year.

not the greatest person, or anything.

[*tweeak*]

hence, hitler and stalin

but martha stewart?

[*not_your_average*]

Who should be Person of the Year? Anyone but Bush!

[a smile is power]

Bush is a fine president. Of course he's not perfect, have we EVER had a perfect president? just because you're president doesnt mean you are suddenly ... perfect! You seem to be forgetting that half of AMERICA voted for Bush...he's not a dictator.
And about the war....
Iraq is a way better place than it was before (At least 182,000 Kurds in Iraq were murdered or are missing and presumed dead. Authorities on Iraq estimate that 1.3 million people have died as a direct result of Saddam Hussein’s acts of terror since 1979, the year he bullied his way into office.) You'll also find that most of our troops are not sitting in Iraq grousing....they need us to support them, not diss the cause they're giving their lives for.

[innovation]

well, he certainly did appear on a lot of the TIME covers, as displayed in the person of the year article, which means that he had a large impact on the nation and the world. and that's what the person of the year is supposed to have done.

[comeupon]

Bush is a fine president. Of course he's not perfect, have we EVER had a perfect president? just because you're president doesnt mean you are suddenly ... perfect! You seem to be forgetting that half of AMERICA voted for Bush...he's not a dictator.
And about the war....
Iraq is a way better place than it was before (At least 182,000 Kurds in Iraq were murdered or are missing and presumed dead. Authorities on Iraq estimate that 1.3 million people have died as a direct result of Saddam Hussein’s acts of terror since 1979, the year he bullied his way into office.) You'll also find that most of our troops are not sitting in Iraq grousing....they need us to support them, not diss the cause they're giving their lives for.

Half of America, no no no! Half of Americans in this country dont even vote. In fact if I remember correctly the polls taken of people who dont vote supported Kerry about 60-40 just because of the extreme dislike of Bush. As for soldiers giving their lives. Giving their lives for what? To abuse innocent Iraqis in a prison? To kill innocent people in the streets in front of their children? I dont need to hear "oh those are just a couple bad people." Guess what the few overshadow the majority. I dont even blame the soldiers for that. What was Bush's response to that? He found out the same time we did. That is how much he is respected by his cabinet. I seriously think that when people think Bush is making a joke about weapons of mass destruction hes really being serious. The Russians had the same exact thing happen when they went to Afghanistan. Everybody though oh look the USSR made Afghanistan so much better, the fact of the matter was the Russians were losing 4-5 men a week up in the mountains. More during planned attacks, suicide bombers, car bombs, and etc. That war lasted about 10 years. Do the math who really won? To me Iraq and America is almost identical to Afghanistan and the Soviets.

Edit: Sorry if I sounded like a tightwad, didnt mean to

[*xcaitlinx*]

Even Hitler was TIME Man of the Year once...



And another Nazi too, Erich von Manstein (this was actually during WWII):

hmm..that shows that even evil people can be honored, right?

[*salcha*]

Bush is a fine president. Of course he's not perfect, have we EVER had a perfect president? just because you're president doesnt mean you are suddenly ... perfect! You seem to be forgetting that half of AMERICA voted for Bush...he's not a dictator.
And about the war....
Iraq is a way better place than it was before (At least 182,000 Kurds in Iraq were murdered or are missing and presumed dead. Authorities on Iraq estimate that 1.3 million people have died as a direct result of Saddam Hussein’s acts of terror since 1979, the year he bullied his way into office.) You'll also find that most of our troops are not sitting in Iraq grousing....they need us to support them, not diss the cause they're giving their lives for.

hahah dang, you just said everything i had to say!!
good points btw.

[azn_r4pf4n]

he broke records... 

bush has: 
(note the first person is used to refer to Bush)
(taken from http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html)
#

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
#

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
#

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
#

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
#

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
#

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
#

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
#

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
#

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
#

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
#

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
#

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
#

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
#

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.
#

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
#

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
#

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
#

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
#

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
#

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
#

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
#

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.
#

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
#

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
#

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
#

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
#

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
#

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
#

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
#

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
#

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
#

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
#

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
#

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
#

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
#

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
#

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
#

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
#

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
#

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
#

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
#

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
#

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
#

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
#

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
#

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
#

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
#

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
#

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
#

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
    *

      At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
    *

      AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
    *

      Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
    *

      All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
    *

      All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
    *

      All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
    *

      Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
    *

      For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

LOL!!!!! that explains a lot.

Who should be Person of the Year? Anyone but Bush! 

hey, why don't we debate about who should be person of the year? haha

[sadolakced acid]

well, he didn't really dominate the campaign stuff that much. It was mostly about kerry... if kerry won he would have been Time PotY

so we're going to debate who's most fit to be poty?

[Xprezsion]

I don't think he deserved it all, maybe that's because I hate Bush with a passion. Ken Jennings should have won from Jepordy, he's actually intelligent, he's my idol.

[i_screwed_bam]

Mr.  Bush is the best president we've had since 2001.

totaly agree!! dont care if he bans gay marrigas im totaly for him,

[sammi rules you]

UM HEY PEOPLE.
we're not debating whether bush is a good president.
we're debating whether he deserves to be person of the year.
please stay on topic.

[*xcaitlinx*]

Bush is a fine president. Of course he's not perfect, have we EVER had a perfect president? just because you're president doesnt mean you are suddenly ... perfect! You seem to be forgetting that half of AMERICA voted for Bush...he's not a dictator.
And about the war....
Iraq is a way better place than it was before (At least 182,000 Kurds in Iraq were murdered or are missing and presumed dead. Authorities on Iraq estimate that 1.3 million people have died as a direct result of Saddam Hussein’s acts of terror since 1979, the year he bullied his way into office.) You'll also find that most of our troops are not sitting in Iraq grousing....they need us to support them, not diss the cause they're giving their lives for.

yeah...no president is perfect...but bush can't even admit that he was WRONG about assuming there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq. if u cant face the truth and realize that what's good for our country is more important than your ego...or finishing what your father started...then you'll be a good candidate for president.

half of america voted for bush...yeah that's because people in the south / mid-west were the people that mostly backed him up. they believe in war solving all the problems in the world. maybe if they actually knew anything about anything, then they would've changed their minds. a lot of people support people because " oh well he's from my hometown " or " he's from my state "...which is completely irrelevent and stupid.

and yes, iraq IS a better place now. yes...we DID capture saddam hussein [yay for bush and his father ... u finally finished what you started ] and yet they still have yet to capture OSAMA BIN LADEN [ let me remind you, that he was the one that ATTACKED US ON 9/11. ] wasnt that the main reason y we went into the mid east in the first place?

i must also inform you that half of the americans believe that saddam hussein was the one that attacked us on 9/11. thank the government and administration for that....but they DONT tell us half of the things that are REALLY going on in iraq. i remember someone posting the pictures of the soldiers "that nobody ever sees". its funny because those are only a few instances where the soldiers were sensitive and not heartless. most of them enjoy killing people because all iraqis are "bad people". do u truly believe that the soldiers in iraq are just killing the "bad guy terrorists" and coming home after a job well done? uh, NO! civilians..women and innocent children are being killed everyday for no reason.

and about the whole iraq government. yeah, i ahve some issues with that too. we shouldnt be enforcing our way of democratic republic government on these people. who are we to say that our government is superior over the rest? WE DON'T OWN THEIR COUNTRY. Bush IS a dictator...and people think "hoo ha for bush, hes killin the terrorists in the middle east". yeah thats happening...but they don't show u the disgusting and horrible things that they do wen nobody's watching.

oh, and im also guessing that all of you are rich upper-class americans that are thrilled that your parents got a tax cut while the middle/lower class citizens didnt

[sammi rules you]

half of america voted for bush...yeah that's because people in the south / mid-west were the people that mostly backed him up. they believe in war solving all the problems in the world. maybe if they actually knew anything about anything, then they would've changed their minds. a lot of people support people because " oh well he's from my hometown " or " he's from my state "...which is completely irrelevent and stupid.

please don't generalize all the people in these areas as stupid. just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's stupid. people in different areas are brought up differently. their parents teach them something, and, while growing up knowing that, of course they'll agree. that does NOT mean they're stupid. no, i don't agree with the so-called "stupid" people, but they have their opinions and i respect that.

by the way, illinois voted democratic and is in the midwest.
and i live in indiana, which is in the midwest, and i was for kerry.

so we're not all "stupid", ok?

i must also inform you that half of the americans believe that saddam hussein was the one that attacked us on 9/11. thank the government and administration for that....but they DONT tell us half of the things that are REALLY going on in iraq. i remember someone posting the pictures of the soldiers "that nobody ever sees". its funny because those are only a few instances where the soldiers were sensitive and not heartless. most of them enjoy killing people because all iraqis are "bad people". do u truly believe that the soldiers in iraq are just killing the "bad guy terrorists" and coming home after a job well done? uh, NO! civilians..women and innocent children are being killed everyday for no reason.

no soldier enjoys killing people. they are not over there to kill people. have respect, will you. they're dying as well, for the sake of our country. no, i don't agree with the war, but they didn't start it! it wasn't their choice to go to iraq. they're in the army, they chose to be in the army. the army is fighting a war in iraq, so they go. they're going to help finish what we've started, so then the war can be over. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KILL PEOPLE. you're being quite ignorant, caytexo, if i do say so myself.

oh, and im also guessing that all of you are rich upper-class americans that are thrilled that your parents got a tax cut while the middle/lower class citizens didnt

no, i'm in the middle class. i don't agree with most anything you're saying though.

[*xcaitlinx*]

please don't generalize all the people in these areas as stupid. just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's stupid. people in different areas are brought up differently. their parents teach them something, and, while growing up knowing that, of course they'll agree. that does NOT mean they're stupid. no, i don't agree with the so-called "stupid" people, but they have their opinions and i respect that.

by the way, illinois voted democratic and is in the midwest.
and i live in indiana, which is in the midwest, and i was for kerry.

so we're not all "stupid", ok?
no soldier enjoys killing people. they are not over there to kill people. have respect, will you. they're dying as well, for the sake of our country. no, i don't agree with the war, but they didn't start it! it wasn't their choice to go to iraq. they're in the army, they chose to be in the army. the army is fighting a war in iraq, so they go. they're going to help finish what we've started, so then the war can be over. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KILL PEOPLE. you're being quite ignorant, caytexo, if i do say so myself.
no, i'm in the middle class. i don't agree with most anything you're saying though.

and ... what i said was that supporting someone because of his background or where he lives is STUPID. I never said that people in the south or mid-west were STUPID, mind you. If I don't say so myself, I think you're the one that is assuming that I'm sterotyping southerners as unintelligent...even though that's not what I said or believe.

Btw...have you ever seen fareignheit [sp?] 9/11? Well, if you haven't, then I reccommend that you watch the movie. It shows all of the abusive acts that many of the U.S. soldiers do to the Iraqi people. It also shows some interviews with soldiers as they barge into small towns and kill people without any clue that most of them are civilians. You can hear them laughing and saying "Die, die!" They don't show you that on CNN, do they? and you said that NO soldier is there to kill people. Easy for you to speak as if you are there. Not EVERY soldier is there for the right reasons you know. if they're not there to kill people, then what are they doing in Iraq? Picking flowers? Oh...I must be mistaken, they are searchign for the weapons of mass destruction yet to be discovered.

Bush claims "no draft"...when new fathers with families are required to serve in the army. In the movie, they showed U.S. military soldiers wandering in the poorest areas of the country...using propaganda to pursuade low-class young men to go to Iraq. Even when they said that htey werent interested, they would still try to persuade them and even had the nerve to follow them saying " you don't have anything planned for your future, so why not? " " Wouldn't you like to serve this country to make somethign of yourself? " " Die with honor..knowing that you did your best to defend America " Hmmm....draft? close to one? You tell me.

[Spirited Away]

half of america voted for bush...yeah that's because people in the south / mid-west were the people that mostly backed him up. they believe in war solving all the problems in the world. maybe if they actually knew anything about anything, then they would've changed their minds. a lot of people support people because " oh well he's from my hometown " or " he's from my state "...which is completely irrelevent and stupid.

What is wrong with believing that war can solve certain problems? I say "certain" because I have to degeneralized how you said "all". Do you think non-violence can solve "all" problems then? What made you assume that all who voted for him do not know anything? Where do you get your news, may I ask? I get it from CNN, British news, French news, Vietnamese news and the internet. I do not think that not knowing "anything about anything" describes me, yet I still believe he is qualified. Though I do not agree with him on many things, I do not believe anyone else could've done a better job.

i must also inform you that half of the americans believe that saddam hussein was the one that attacked us on 9/11. thank the government and administration for that....but they DONT tell us half of the things that are REALLY going on in iraq. i remember someone posting the pictures of the soldiers "that nobody ever sees". its funny because those are only a few instances where the soldiers were sensitive and not heartless. most of them enjoy killing people because all iraqis are "bad people". do u truly believe that the soldiers in iraq are just killing the "bad guy terrorists" and coming home after a job well done? uh, NO! civilians..women and innocent children are being killed everyday for no reason.

Which "half" believe that Saddam Hussein is the one responsible for 9/11? The half that didn't care to vote? The half that don't usually follow the news because of their busy lives? The half that don't care about anything except making money? The government may not tell all that goes on, but is it the government responsibility to tell the truth about all things or is it the responsibility of the individual who wants to learn of the truth to search for it?

You believe that soldiers enjoy killing because they believe that all Iraquis are bad. Is it just me or are you not only stereotyping and generalizing? So if your brother or cousin enlisted in the military they will automatically think that all Iraqis are bad?

Oh yea, soldiers love point the guns at innocent women and children then blowing their heads off.

and about the whole iraq government. yeah, i ahve some issues with that too. we shouldnt be enforcing our way of democratic republic government on these people. who are we to say that our government is superior over the rest? WE DON'T OWN THEIR COUNTRY. Bush IS a dictator...and people think "hoo ha for bush, hes killin the terrorists in the middle east". yeah thats happening...but they don't show u the disgusting and horrible things that they do wen nobody's watching.

I completely agree with you that America should not coerce other governments into converting, so to speak, into a democracy. And that is where I do not support what Bush is planning. But you know, Presidents before Bush have tried as well.

and ... what i said was that supporting someone because of his background or where he lives is STUPID. I never said that people in the south or mid-west were STUPID, mind you. If I don't say so myself, I think you're the one that is assuming that I'm sterotyping southerners as unintelligent...even though that's not what I said or believe.

Actually, not only are you saying that the majority of America is stupid, you might also be describing your neighbors, friends, teachers... etc. People generally vote for those who are most like them, whether it be the same ideals or the same hometown.

Btw...have you ever seen fareignheit [sp?] 9/11? Well, if you haven't, then I reccommend that you watch the movie. It shows all of the abusive acts that many of the U.S. soldiers do to the Iraqi people. It also shows some interviews with soldiers as they barge into small towns and kill people without any clue that most of them are civilians. You can hear them laughing and saying "Die, die!" They don't show you that on CNN, do they? and you said that NO soldier is there to kill people. Easy for you to speak as if you are there. Not EVERY soldier is there for the right reasons you know. if they're not there to kill people, then what are they doing in Iraq? Picking flowers? Oh...I must be mistaken, they are searchign for the weapons of mass destruction yet to be discovered.

Not EVERY soldier is there for the right reasons but the MAJORITY of them are. Is Farenheight 9/11 your source of information?

You know, years ago there was a picture taken during the Vietnam War that depicted a Nationalist Vietnamese soldier pointing a gun at Communist soldier's head. The photographer who took the picture won the Pulitzer. For a long time Americans and people all over the world based their opinions on the Vietnam War by looking at a picture they saw and condemned Vietnamese who were fighting for their freedom and honor because they believed that a picture is worth a thousand words... Well, years later, the photographer, who received world wide recognition for the piece, apologized to the Nationalist soldier for ruining his life and for not knowing the story that his picture told. What the photographer didn't know then was that the Communist soldier belonged to a special unit and had raped countless women, murdered men and children and was in the process of burning down a whole village and killing soldiers who were trying to save the village before he was caught and held at gun point for execution.

The point is, everything we see in the media is biased and there is a story behind every scene shown in CNN, FOX, or any other news that we see, even "documentaries". We cannot based our whole belief system on what one man has to say about "truths".

Bush claims "no draft"...when new fathers with families are required to serve in the army. In the movie, they showed U.S. military soldiers wandering in the poorest areas of the country...using propaganda to pursuade low-class young men to go to Iraq. Even when they said that htey werent interested, they would still try to persuade them and even had the nerve to follow them saying " you don't have anything planned for your future, so why not? " " Wouldn't you like to serve this country to make somethign of yourself? " " Die with honor..knowing that you did your best to defend America " Hmmm....draft? close to one? You tell me.

Christians constantly come up to me on campus and coming to my door step to talk to me about God, but that doesn't mean I will be swayed to convert. I believe that each man, woman has his/her own choices to make. When recruits come to your door step offering you money for your education if you wish to pursue it later and a way to feed your family, you still have a choice to enlist or not to enlist. The difference between draft and propaganda is that you STILL have choice with the former.

[someflipguy]

Blah! Don't care anymore. Time can do what they want.

[xGlovex]

arnt newly electred presidents always the person of the year..?
i think so

[nevernothere]

Eh c'mon, he deserves it. You think he has fun being president?

[sadolakced acid]

he doesn't deserve it...

person of the year isn't something that is deserved or earned.

it is just something that comes: like being voted most popular in school or something.

it's not judging merit, or how good a person he is.

it's just judging how much he influenced news.

[mysticalazxn]

why not
ever since the election ppl began to get all piss with im
he a good guy!

[*tweeak*]

why are
all your
replies typred
in that
annoying
format?

[sammi rules you]

and not with correct english.....

people need to learn englishhhh. STAY IN SCHOOL!