laws too strict? Options

[lovescream]

omigawd.. i just realized this topic. reminds me that i debating...

anyhoo, in ur country, do you think that laws are too strict?
like here in the US about gay mariage? that's strict.. i mean like i saw on someone's siggy, marriage is about love, not gender, age, or whatever. =\ it's their choice... not the person who made the damn law.

[Nicolatofu]

I believe that over the years, american's freedom has been downsized, but sometimes for the good. Things such as gay marraiges... well that's their choice. Whatever happened to separation of church and state? I dunno if that has anything to do with gay marraiges, but they keep sayin it's against god n everything..but you know..still.. We still ahve to be grateful for what we have today. Even if there are some things we don't agree with...........

[Spirited Away]

Depends on how one define strict. There are kids who think a curfew of 10 o'clock means they have strict parents. So really, it all depends on how one defines it.

Laws, like governments, are a "necessary evil".

If you mean to turn this into yet another for/against homosexuality topic, then I don't see the point of posting since there has been too many things said about it in other topics.

[iheartsimba]

that was my sig!

anyway. some laws i agree with, some i don't. but what are we gonna do about it.
many laws are nessicary, but some arn't. like banning gay marrages

[Spirited Away]

If only one could really explain why some laws aren't necessary instead of just saying so because he/she simply don't agree with it.

[ComradeRed]

Laws are too strict, but they are also not followed. There should only be a few laws (that all stem from the Constitution), but such laws ought be strictly enforced and followed, especially by the government, which tends to be the biggest lawbreaker.

[lovescream]

that was my sig!

anyway. some laws i agree with, some i don't. but what are we gonna do about it.
many laws are nessicary, but some arn't. like banning gay marrages

yupp. urs. lol.

i define strict as in... somewhat "overprotective"

my mother's not strict, but she's overprotective.
the governmnent treats the US like childreennnn... no gay marriages, that's bush.
and i was just asking for strict laws that yout hink of... not just same sex marriage is illeagle

[azn_r4pf4n]

I believe that over the years, american's freedom has been downsized, but sometimes for the good. Things such as gay marraiges... well that's their choice. Whatever happened to separation of church and state? I dunno if that has anything to do with gay marraiges, but they keep sayin it's against god n everything..but you know..still.. We still ahve to be grateful for what we have today. Even if there are some things we don't agree with...........

thats true. bush somehow got convince ppl to vote for him cuz they were all evangalists or conservatives or rich and they would help them. only prob is that bush would somewhat ruin the seperation of church and state.

[Spirited Away]

thats true. bush somehow got convince ppl to vote for him cuz they were all evangalists or conservatives or rich and they would help them. only prob is that bush would somewhat ruin the seperation of church and state.

I know a lot of people who are not evangelists, conservative, or rich who voted for him. Myself included.

Goodness, I wish everyone would just quit it with the "you gotta be Christian, rich, or STUPID" to have voted for Bush. It's stereotype and incredibly childish.

Grow up.

[lovescream]

i'd say people vote for nader because i like neither bush or kerry.

[iheartsimba]

If only one could really explain why some laws aren't necessary instead of just saying so because he/she simply don't agree with it.

actually i'm fine with all of the laws. just the one banning gay marrage.

why it isnt neccisary- something called human rights
you can't help who you are attracted to, and who you fall in love with and the government shouldn't try to stop things like that. that is beyond my limits, and they should atleast keep it up to the states if anyhting, but they whole country..thats just wrong. who cares if everyone in america suddenly turns gay, and we become gay america, as long as everyones happy! and stopping people from marrying who they love does not keep many people happy. i am not gay myself, but i am a huge believer for their rights.

[ComradeRed]

Gay marriage was never banned.

Gay marriage is a legal construct ... what you mean to say is you WANT a law to INSTITUTIONALIZE gay marriage. Right now, there are laws institutionalizing regular marriage. If those laws were repealed, that doesn't mean marriage is banned ... that means marriage ceases to be an institution and returns to being a cultural/religious thing.

"Marriage is a fine instutiton, but who would want to live in an institution."
--HL Mencken

[iheartsimba]

i thought bush made it illegal? was it not passed yet?

[lovescream]

yeah.. i thought it was a law. it was on the news.
well.. this is the US if you live in canada or somewheres?

[ComradeRed]

Bush wanted to pass a Federal Marriage Amendment to prevent states from passing laws to institutionalize gay marriage.

It failed to pass Congress. Gay marriage is illegal in eleven states, institutionalized in one (Massachuestts), and legal but not institutionalized in the other 38 plus the District of Columbia.

[Spirited Away]

why it isnt neccisary- something called human rights
you can't help who you are attracted to, and who you fall in love with and the government shouldn't try to stop things like that. that is beyond my limits, and they should atleast keep it up to the states if anyhting, but they whole country..thats just wrong. who cares if everyone in america suddenly turns gay, and we become gay america, as long as everyones happy! and stopping people from marrying who they love does not keep many people happy. i am not gay myself, but i am a huge believer for their rights.

Aside from the facts that ComradeRed already supplied us with...

I understand what you mean about human rights, but it would only be fair to extend such human rights to all groups of people, not just homosexuals. What if couples involved in incest relations? Shouldn't they be able to have human rights, too? I do wonder.

Love isn't about age, race, gender, relation... etc, but you wouldn't want a 40 year old man marrying a 7/13/17 year old, would you?

And the thing with "so long everyone's happy"... Society wise, if everyone were happy doing their own thing, we'd have chaos on our hands.

[iheartsimba]

but you see letting gays marry, it completely different from incest. i mean anything could lead to that, not just letting gays marry. whats about mixed marrages..like races? same thing. you could support the incest idea with that to. but it doesn't change anything, because i don't think you get this concept of 'love'. a lot of strong christians think that god is agianst gay marrages (george bush) blahblah but the bible wasn't gods words. it was hte men who interpreted it. i see nothing wrong with gays marrying, and the amount of gays in this population is rapidly increasing. many of them are in love, and telling people who they "CANT" marry, it just doesn't seem right. and incest, i think many people are aware what happens to the children from incest, and stopping people form marying won't stop them if they are incest. they'll still like..do it. and from "40 years old marrying 5 year olds" i think we have a current law against that which should stay, because that is very different from gay rights...

[sporadic]

I love your sig, Kristin =P

Banning gay marraiges because it's against the Bible is a violation of the seperation of church and state. To ban gay marraiges would be hypocritical.

And it's not like a lot of the heterosexuals that get married these days are fit for the title of "husband" or "wife" anyway.

[lovescream]

some people dont read the bible.
actualy i say most of the people i know don't.

[Spirited Away]

because i don't think you get this concept of 'love'.

First I would like to make something clear before we continue. Not you or anyone in the world can tell me what love is to me anymore than I can tell you what love is to you.

Love is different for everyone. Of course there are some fundamental things to it like caring and loyalty... etc, but as far as I can tell, because each person is an individual and unique, each person will have his or her own way of loving.

So my point being, NEVER dictate to anyone that he/she do not understand love. Not only is that a complete absurdity, but also very arrogant of you to even think that you would know love better than another person. That is the nicest way I can think of to let you know that I think you're ignorant, in so many words.

So lets continue by focusing on one idea at a time.

but you see letting gays marry, it completely different from incest. i mean anything could lead to that, not just letting gays marry. whats about mixed marrages..like races? same thing. you could support the incest idea with that to. but it doesn't change anything,

How is incest "completely" different from homosexuality? Is it because you feel that way or is it because it's true, according to you? Is it that you feel people who are involved in incest relations don't know how to love like homosexuals do? Or is it that you feel that they're not human? WHY is the idea different to you? Please, do explain.

If you want to convince anyone that everyone is equal, you're not going to get very far by saying that incest couples are "different". I'm sure you can see the obvious hypocrisy in that.

Mixed races weren't a very celebrated idea in earlier times and there were even laws that supported racism/discrimination. Yet, where are those laws now? The only semblance of it I can think of at this moment is Affirmative Action. So yes, I think we and the government have gone a long way from those days where it was perfectly fine to kill a Black man for running away from his supposed master.

Things do change because time allow it so. Races did not mix over the course of one night or ten years, it took centuries, a hell lot of blood and bravery for us to get where we are today. What makes you think that things can be simple for homosexuals?

I know that it would be ideal to just accept things, embrace the new ways or "go with the flow, but do you really expect every human to think like that? HELL NO. That's not how the human mind works. PERIOD. WHY??? I have already provided you with the answer:

Because everyone is unique and sees love differently.

The answer was so obvious that I was utterly offended when you said I don't understand love. So shocked that you would even make such an accusation when you, yourself don't understand such obviousness.

a lot of strong christians think that god is agianst gay marrages (george bush) blahblah but the bible wasn't gods words. it was hte men who interpreted it. i see nothing wrong with gays marrying, and the amount of gays in this population is rapidly increasing.

I'm not Christian nor do I belong with any organized religion. I simply believe that time will change how people view this topic and I'm almost positive that time is in favor of homosexual relationships.

many of them are in love, and telling people who they "CANT" marry, it just doesn't seem right. and incest, i think many people are aware what happens to the children from incest, and stopping people form marying won't stop them if they are incest. they'll still like..do it. and from "40 years old marrying 5 year olds" i think we have a current law against that which should stay, because that is very different from gay rights...

Incest doesn't only mean child molestation. Lets broaden our views a bit instead of just narrowly assuming the worst. After all, isn't that what YOU don't want people to do when they think of homosexuality?

Love can grow from incest just as homosexuality. I don't understand why you would think them so different from each other.

It certainly doesn't seem right that marriage is governed by others, but that has being going on for a long time. The whole arrange marriages thing is no news to you is it?

Sure, people break laws and do illegal things, but if you want to argue that homosexuals should be able to get married because they love each other then you'd have to think about expanding that law to accept all groups of people for WE ALL KNOW LOVE, not just homosexuals.

And it's not like a lot of the heterosexuals that get married these days are fit for the title of "husband" or "wife" anyway.

People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?

[lovescream]

=\ well basically if a person says that homosexuals are out of the questions because it's against god, that also depends on what religion you are.

[sporadic]

People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?

Yeah, but people in general can get married to a person they love (or not even some one they love, they can just get married) What makes homosexuals any different from that?

[iheartsimba]

First I would like to make something clear before we continue. Not you or anyone in the world can tell me what love is to me anymore than I can tell you what love is to you.

Love is different for everyone. Of course there are some fundamental things to it like caring and loyalty... etc, but as far as I can tell, because each person is an individual and unique, each person will have his or her own way of loving.

So my point being, NEVER dictate to anyone that he/she do not understand love. Not only is that a complete absurdity, but also very arrogant of you to even think that you would know love better than another person. That is the nicest way I can think of to let you know that I think you're ignorant, in so many words.

So lets continue by focusing on one idea at a time. 



How is incest "completely" different from homosexuality? Is it because you feel that way or is it because it's true, according to you? Is it that you feel people who are involved in incest relations don't know how to love like homosexuals do? Or is it that you feel that they're not human? WHY is the idea different to you? Please, do explain.

If you want to convince anyone that everyone is equal, you're not going to get very far by saying that incest couples are "different". I'm sure you can see the obvious hypocrisy in that. 

Mixed races weren't a very celebrated idea in earlier times and there were even laws that supported racism/discrimination. Yet, where are those laws now? The only semblance of it I can think of at this moment is Affirmative Action. So yes, I think we and the government have gone a long way from those days where it was perfectly fine to kill a Black man for running away from his supposed master.

Things do change because time allow it so. Races did not mix over the course of one night or ten years, it took centuries, a hell lot of blood and bravery for us to get where we are today. What makes you think that things can be simple  for homosexuals? 

I know that it would be ideal to just accept things, embrace the new ways or "go with the flow, but do you really expect every human to think like that? HELL NO. That's not how the human mind works. PERIOD. WHY??? I have already provided you with the answer:

Because everyone is unique and sees love differently.

The answer was so obvious that I was utterly offended when you said I don't understand love. So shocked that you would even make such an accusation when you, yourself don't understand such obviousness.




I'm not Christian nor do I belong with any organized religion. I simply believe that time will change how people view this topic and I'm almost positive that time is in favor of homosexual relationships. 



Incest doesn't only mean child molestation. Lets broaden our views a bit instead of just narrowly assuming the worst. After all, isn't that what YOU don't want people to do when they think of homosexuality?

Love can grow from incest just as homosexuality. I don't understand why you would think them so different from each other.

It certainly doesn't seem right that marriage is governed by others, but that has being going on for a long time. The whole arrange marriages thing is no news to you is it?

Sure, people break laws and do illegal things, but if you want to argue that homosexuals should be able to get married because they love each other then you'd have to think about expanding that law to accept all groups of people for WE ALL KNOW LOVE, not just homosexuals.







People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?

"First I would like to make something clear before we continue. Not you or anyone in the world can tell me what love is to me anymore than I can tell you what love is to you.

Love is different for everyone. Of course there are some fundamental things to it like caring and loyalty... etc, but as far as I can tell, because each person is an individual and unique, each person will have his or her own way of loving.

So my point being, NEVER dictate to anyone that he/she do not understand love. Not only is that a complete absurdity, but also very arrogant of you to even think that you would know love better than another person. That is the nicest way I can think of to let you know that I think you're ignorant, in so many words.

So lets continue by focusing on one idea at a time. "

you look at things word for word, eh? holy moly. and you think i'm arrogent haha, good one. you're getting way to into things, because when i said you didn't get the concept of love i meant it as in i dont htink you relize that marrage is a comitment for one another...and it shouldn't be f**king stopped. human f**king rights! go ahead, incests, marry! who f**king cares, how does it concern you?!
While all people are created equal, not all ideas or behaviors are equal.
It "appears" that you are being very stubborn about this issue.
now lets see...what points have you made?
-it would give incests rights? hmm
-that it would be hard to make the transition? hmmm
-umm..its been going on a long time?
oh, i see. very good reasons why gays shouldn't have the right to marry who they would like.

lets move on.

"How is incest "completely" different from homosexuality? Is it because you feel that way or is it because it's true, according to you? Is it that you feel people who are involved in incest relations don't know how to love like homosexuals do? Or is it that you feel that they're not human? WHY is the idea different to you? Please, do explain. "


different as in the are 2 different subjects and are being compared. incests can do what they'd like, not being married wont stop them. but hey if they wanna get married, go for it.

"If you want to convince anyone that everyone is equal, you're not going to get very far by saying that incest couples are "different". I'm sure you can see the obvious hypocrisy in that. "

yes i suppose your right. i meant--gays and incests are different. because gays are not related...get it but hey if you wanna marry a family member.. go for it...like i said...

"Mixed races weren't a very celebrated idea in earlier times and there were even laws that supported racism/discrimination. Yet, where are those laws now? The only semblance of it I can think of at this moment is Affirmative Action. So yes, I think we and the government have gone a long way from those days where it was perfectly fine to kill a Black man for running away from his supposed master. "

yes and the laws were changed and now the country has improved a lot getting rid of the discriminist laws. and same thing would hopfully happen with gay rights. of course it would be hard to do at first, like stopping segreagation, but in the end it would be worth it.


"Things do change because time allow it so. Races did not mix over the course of one night or ten years, it took centuries, a hell lot of blood and bravery for us to get where we are today. What makes you think that things can be simple for homosexuals? "

who said it would be simple? so it may be hard, but in the end it was worth it for other races.

"I know that it would be ideal to just accept things, embrace the new ways or "go with the flow, but do you really expect every human to think like that? HELL NO. That's not how the human mind works. PERIOD. WHY??? I have already provided you with the answer:

Because everyone is unique and sees love differently.

The answer was so obvious that I was utterly offended when you said I don't understand love. So shocked that you would even make such an accusation when you, yourself don't understand such obviousness. "



of course not every human will think that. but obviously many dont like the people disagreeing with gay marrages either. yes, love is different for everyone, but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?! GAYS NEED THEIR f**kING RIGHTS END OF STORY. yes some people won't agree, but tons of people don't agree with whats going on now.

"It certainly doesn't seem right that marriage is governed by others, but that has being going on for a long time. The whole arrange marriages thing is no news to you is it? "

so? of course there have been arranged marrages..what again does that have to do with anything? so some marrages in the past were arranged...so what? we should try to fix our mistakes rather then keep them going. i think many people are aware that banning marrages for gays are just gonna blow up in there faces as the numbers increase.

People, IN GENERAL, get married for the wrong reasons sometimes. What would make homosexuals any different?
so? who said theres a difference? yes some people do make mistakes when going into marrage, and gays should get the rights to marry as well as to divorce, like liz said: "Yeah, but people in general can get married to a person they love (or not even some one they love, they can just get married) What makes homosexuals any different from that? "



there shouldn't be f**king limits on love. do you atleast see my side?
there shouldn't be limits. get it?

being gay is not a choice you make, and you shouldn't be punished for being who you are. people should be free to be who they are and express themselves without fear of discrimism. and gay rights would definitly help that over time. sure it would be hard, but if it owuld make the environment better for that amount of people we should do it. we should try to go the 'easy way out' and just tyr to ignore it. gays and lesbians are rapidly increasing, and just to put that issue aside wont solve anyhting.


by the way. i'm only stating my opinions on gay marrages, so keep the insults to the side thats pretty rude considering we are in a debate and of course we will see things differently, no reason to call names. and you misunderstood the concept of love thing obviously, just had to twist all my words, eh? and just because you use the time to use perfect grammar and what not, doesn't mean your right. =]

and here i am typing this up at 1 a.m. when i am so sleepy just because i couldn't let that response go.


gay rights!

[Spirited Away]

You obviously still don't get it. I was hoping going at things word for word would make things simpler for you, but what a disappointment that there's still that misunderstanding.

[quote]you look at things word for word, eh? holy moly. and you think i'm arrogent haha, good one. you're getting way to into things, because when i said you didn't get the concept of love i meant it as in i dont htink you relize that marrage is a comitment for one another...and it shouldn't be f**king stopped. human f**king rights! go ahead, incests, marry! who f**king cares, how does it concern you?!
[/quote]

First, I don't think you're "arrogent" just for the heck of it, I think you're arrogant for thinking that you would understand love better than the next person. It's arrogant for you to think that you know one truth and ignore what the truth is to other people.

Not only do you not understand that love is different for everyone you also don't understand that marriage is different for everyone. Once again, there are fundamentals such as loyalty, trust and all that jazz, but there are other requirements. Your ideal mate would be different from another girl's so you can't say that marriage is just about commitment. To some people, marriage is a holy deal and others it's just commitment, and to others its love and everything else. It's funny that you try to say that marriage is commitment when commitment doesn't mean marriage.

What I mean is simple, marriage doesn't mean commitment. There are plenty of people who are married to each other who commit adultery. And before you even say that those people are not homosexuals, what would make a homosexual not cheat on their spouse? I'm certain that you do not have proof that homosexuals never cheat on their partners.

I guess you spend too much time in your little world to really look at the real world. People influence each other. Things one person do may have a direct or indirect affect on another person. The world is big, not so tiny that what you do don't affect anyone else. So, what I mean to say is, homosexual rights or human rights in general affects me. ALL LAWS affects me. That's why there is a concern, if not, then all is just dandy.

[quote]While all people are created equal, not all ideas or behaviors are equal.
It "appears" that you are being very stubborn about this issue.
now lets see...what points have you made?
-it would give incests rights? hmm
-that it would be hard to make the transition? hmmm
-umm..its been going on a long time?
oh, i see. very good reasons why gays shouldn't have the right to marry who they would like.[/quote]

... you have very poor reading skills along with comprehension skills. Sorry.

If my words can be summed up to just " it would give incest rights" then I would have said JUST THAT. Please don't try to summarize my words, it just seems wrong coming from you.

What I did ask you about incest was why you think incest is different from homosexuality. The point of the question was to make a parallel to homosexuality and straight people. As in, if you think incest was different, then it would be okay for straight people to think of homosexuality as different.

As for "it would be hard to make the transition", do you disagree? I don't understand your sarcasm as it was very unfounded. Why would it be easy to just embrace homosexuality? If someone dislike eating brocoli, you can't make that person change their mind with a snap or by just telling them that YOU like it. It all depends on that person to change their mind.

All in all, just don't try to summarize what I've said just quote and point out where you disagree.

[quote]different as in the are 2 different subjects and are being compared. incests can do what they'd like, not being married wont stop them. but hey if they wanna get married, go for it.[/quote]

Why is that different from what homosexuals can do? Homosexuals can do what they like and not being married won't stop them or change them either? So I really don't see any difference. Perhaps you'll elaborate?

[quote]yes i suppose your right. i meant--gays and incests are different. because gays are not related...get it  but hey if you wanna marry a family member.. go for it...like i said...[/quote]

That is different because they're not related? Well, homosexuals differ from straight people because they're not opposite sex. The one, and most important, thing that they share is LOVE, so why are they different? The point of this whole argument is love so why does it matter that they're related?

By the way, I hope you mean "you" generally because it wouldn't do for you to think that I would want to marry anyone of my relation.


[quote]yes and the laws were changed and now the country has improved a lot getting rid of the discriminist laws. and same thing would hopfully happen with gay rights. of course it would be hard to do at first, like stopping segreagation, but in the end it would be worth it.[/quote]

But that's what I've been trying to tell you. Things like this takes TIME. The whole "hard to make the transitition" is true because this is how things work in life. People think differently and it will take time for everyone to be okay with it. But even in these days there are STILL racism, so I don't think that things will be easy for them.


[quote]who said it would be simple?  so it may be hard, but in the end it was worth it for other races.[/quote]

Once again, the point of my comment was that it would be hard for people to change. You obviously agree so I don't see why you would even want to argue with that.

[quote]of course not every human will think that. but obviously many dont like the people disagreeing with gay marrages either. yes, love is different for everyone, but WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?! GAYS NEED THEIR f**kING RIGHTS END OF STORY. yes some people won't agree, but tons of people don't agree with whats going on now.  [/quote]

I think I already told someone this... Disagreeing with people who are against is fine, but it would be such hypocrisy. And here's why:

When you want to show someone that they're wrong you don't just point a finger and say that they're wrong and not explain why. That would just make the other side angry at you and be stubborn about their views. Instead of that, you MUST LEAD and be a good example. If you show tolerance to people who are against it then others will follow because it isn't right to discriminate.

They way I see it, I wouldn't be convinced of anything if you just yell in my face that something's wrong, I would listen to your side if you were more patient.


[quote]so? of course there have been arranged marrages..what again does that have to do with anything? so some marrages in the past were arranged...so what? we should try to fix our mistakes rather then keep them going. i think many people are aware that banning marrages for gays are just gonna blow up in there faces as the numbers increase.[/quote]

... This is what I meant by poor comprehension skills. I didn't say that for no reason or for you to say what you said because that wasn't even close to the point, my point was it's nothing new that marriage has been regulated. The question was more rhetorical than degrading. It was to also point out the fact that things do change with time. We no longer have arrange marriages like people in the past, but the idea isn't completely that old.

[quote]
there shouldn't be f**king limits on love. do you atleast see my side?
there shouldn't be limits. get it? [/quote]

Maybe I should make this clear... I'm neither pro or anti the whole thing. I believe that there are exceptions to everything including marriages of ALL RACES, AGE, GENDER.. etc.

You don't need to ask if I "get it" either as I can assure you that I've been involved in these type of debates for a long while.

[quote]being gay is not a choice you make, and you shouldn't be punished for being who you are. people should be free to be who they are and express themselves without fear of discrimism. and gay rights would definitly help that over time. sure it would be hard, but if it owuld make the environment better for that amount of people we should do it. we should try to go the 'easy way out' and just tyr to ignore it. gays and lesbians are rapidly increasing, and just to put that issue aside wont solve anyhting.[/quote]

*SIGH*, the nature vs nurture side of the controversy is still open for debates. Both sides are proven but it depends on which side a person chooses to believe.

[quote]by the way. i'm only stating my opinions on gay marrages, so keep the insults to the side  thats pretty rude considering we are in a debate and of course we will see things differently, no reason to call names. and you misunderstood the concept of love thing obviously, just had to twist all my words, eh? and just because you use the time to use perfect grammar and what not, doesn't mean your right. =][/quote]

Actually, correct grammar just makes things easier for everyone to understand. If you think that I use it because I feel I'm right... that's just pretty sad, but oh well.

I called you names...??? Ah, you mean the ignorant thing. You should eat your owns words because you started it =]. When we discuss love or any other philosophical topic, there usually isn't a right or wrong answer and yet you seemed to think that you had the right answer to it. That's pretty ignorant to me.

And you still insist that I don't understand love. That's also why I think you're arrogant. You seem to think you have the answer to what love is... hahaha... You might as well answer the question "what is the meaning of life". I'm sure you have the right answer for youself, but you certainly do not have the aswner for everyone else.








[quote]Yeah, but people in general can get married to a person they love (or not even some one they love, they can just get married) What makes homosexuals any different from that? [/quote]

You haven't answered my question and I can scarely answer yours because I don't understand it. Rephrase, please?




Look at this topic, it's just another homosexual marriage one. I knew this would happen and I actually had a hand in it... haha.

[lovescream]

. . . yes but the topic is meant to be strict laws.
and i gave banned homosexual marriages as an example. . . .
but ... to name another one...
that for my state a law is no cellphones while driving.
i think that's strict because it's a cellphone. most people still use cellphones in cars;making them un-obeying the law [is that a word?]
and it's not like all their concentration goes to the cellphone talking. But a lot more accidnets have been accuring since that law for me anyhoo. not because of cellphone talking, sometimes that, but mostly because of car problems or things on the road or whatever. everything you can imagine. signs. broken traffic lights. criminal loose. crazy people.

[sporadic]

unobeying = disobeying

Yeah, well. Teenagers on phones. Driving cars. Without seatbelts.

[lovescream]

a lot of people do that.
why did they have to make the law? it's kind of silly and.. stupid.
and uhh thanks for the disobeying thing.. forgot that was a word.

[randomtkk]

if laws are not strict
why do we need them?

[lovescream]

LOL good question...
we need'em for our protection, but some people get outta hand [me] about it.

[Spirited Away]

a lot of people do that.
why did they have to make the law? it's kind of silly and.. stupid.
and uhh thanks for the disobeying thing.. forgot that was a word.

Good job on the topic change.

I forget what states have banned talking on cellphons while driving, does anyone want to supply that info?

I would guess that the states that have banned that would have a lot of traffic in their cities.

[ComradeRed]

States don't have the power to ban cell phones on roads (other than the Interstates) I don't believe... that would be up to local townships.

[lovescream]

Good job on the topic change.

I forget what states have banned talking on cellphons while driving, does anyone want to supply that info?

I would guess that the states that have banned that would have a lot of traffic in their cities.

my state: NJ
[personal info]
i heard it on the news.
and nobody said a word about it.. but they still use cellphones on the road.
I SEE PEOPLE!
what's the point of banning cellphones on the road if nobody's going to follow it?

[azn_r4pf4n]

Yeah, well. Teenagers on phones. Driving cars. Without seatbelts.

lol. teenagers on phones.

[ComradeRed]

my state: NJ
[personal info]
i heard it on the news.
and nobody said a word about it.. but they still use cellphones on the road.
I SEE PEOPLE!
what's the point of banning cellphones on the road if nobody's going to follow it?

There is none. It's like banning drugs. All it does is cause people to disrespect the law, and has almost no positive benefits for society.

If it's not a crime with a victim other than yourself, it's not a crime. Period.

[sporadic]

Around here they're concentrating more on getting people to wear their seatbelts.

[lovescream]

for my place it's "If a police catches you without a seatbelt on the highway, you get consquences[sp?]"
And for NY is HAVE TO WEAR A SEATBELT O_O

[angel-roh]

I didnt like the part when they had to make all the year birth, 1990 and above to get their permit/driver license at the age of 18. Even though I born in the year 1988. I thought 1990 and above HAVE TO get their driver license at 18 was a bad idea -_-. I miss the times when you have to be 16 to get driver license! I also hate that since Bush is a president...if you fail the WASL test, then you have to take this one class for 4 years. I say that sucks BAD! I think Washington State Law is worse for me... Sigh I thought wrong about Bush. Actually I didn't even like him at all and he's not giving any freedom to our land. He's trying to kill millions of people right now. So far more than thousands of people had died, now he's sending more soldiers to the Iraq War. The only reason I didn't like about John Kerry was that he wanted to make gay marriages legal. I didn't like the gay marriages part. If only, Kerry didnt mentioned "gay marriages" I would've pray for the best just for him. Sigh... I think we're all gona die in this world... just because of President Bush. Also he's not like close to his wife too. He's only giving himself the freedom and not the others. He's a selfish, mean, rude brat one... I hate everything about Bush except banning the gay marriage part. Sigh...President Bush made the law too stricted. all he want is STRICTED stuff. he's going to make the United States turn into North Korea. sigh...

[HelloSunshine]

that was my sig!

anyway. some laws i agree with, some i don't. but what are we gonna do about it.
many laws are nessicary, but some arn't. like banning gay marrages

I agree, some laws are fine, but some go way too far

[Kriegsgefangene]

We won't ever get over the fact of having laws over-done.

I mean-

If some kid jumped into your back yard, and drown himself in your pool. You could get sued, even for not doing anything.

It is possible though.

I LOVE THE AMERICAN WAY!

[lovescream]

I guess the american way can be better as of some other countries.

I heard that hong kong wont allow something..
i forgot but it was extremely crossing the line of laws.

[Kriegsgefangene]

Well.. the American way, may be better in third world countries (What happened to second?), but not to anywhere else.

America is the only industrialized country without health care.

That is why we are so sue-happy.

So we can get money for something bad that might have happened.

Even though we are stupid enough to sue McDonalds for making us fat. And somehow winning the case.

Oh well...

[lovescream]

Junkfood and fatness is good every once in a while.
I just ate McDonalds today.
i dont get fat.
i'm extmreley skinny.
--off topic--
well, yeah... sueing mcdonalds is a problem.
fastfood resturants can cause good.
because fat food is slightly good for your body.

but i mean, if somebody goes there almost everyday then that is their problem.

[Kriegsgefangene]

So what if it was the person's problem. They could sue, because they could.. and they got away with it.

I don't like the judicial system anymore.

[*x____duckii*]

I think the laws now are too strict. I mean, why is tobacco and achohol legal, but other drugs aren't? Might as well let all drugs be legal then. Why are the laws so strict? I mean I thought this was a country of freedom.