It's official Options

[razbus]

I dont know about everyone else, but i am really pissed about bush being re-elected. I dont even feel like typing all the bad things i said on my blog. If you want to read it.... here.

[*tweeak*]

um, yeah? im still undecided. its getting a bit patheric actually, but if they "took half of what kerry say and half of what bush says and put them together, they would be the perfect president" as someone or other said

[HolyMolyRavioli]

I agree with you on the electoral college system. It's really a pain in the arse.

Grrr. I'm angry like you... I... Ugh. I don't even know what to say.

[*kryogenix*]

America has a bright future.

4 more years.

[Mr. Psychotic]

America has a bright future.

4 more years.

I second that statement!

[inlonelinessidie]

America has a bright future.

4 more years.

A bright future of losing more jobs, a greater deficit, more war, oh and yes losing more allies to help us with the mess that we are in. Indeed a bright future . . . indeed.

[*kryogenix*]

A bright future of losing more jobs, a greater deficit, more war, oh and yes losing more allies to help us with the mess that we are in. Indeed a bright future . . . indeed.

It's not Bush's fault that there is a deficit. But that's a different arguement. What mess are you talking about? As for the allies, do we want allies that stab us in the back ? (referring to the UN oil for food scandal)

It's people like you who are dividing the United States. We need to be united, just as we were before the Democratic primaries.

[ghjgfkgfk]

i would rather have bush win rather then kerry.

it's funny, because it would only matter who won in ohio.

[Spirited Away]

A bright future of losing more jobs

That's ^^ the only thing I want to address for now.

Losing more jobs? To be more specific, I think you mean outsourcing, i.e off-shoring. Can you explain to me why you understand this to be a bad thing?

No, I'm not asking you to tell me the generic response that everyone else seems to be saying, like how our jobs are being shipped overseas... etc. I want you to let me know in details, such as the KINDS (manufacturing or services) of jobs that we're suposedly losing to cheap labor in foreign countries. If you can, I'd appreciate names of companies that are moving overseas as well.

Do you think that the only thing we can trade is capital? What about trading labor? They, capital and labor, are essentially needed to produce any good and services.

Also, I would like to ask if anyone who believes outsourcing is bad, know anything of something called "globalization" and how that can be accomplished through TRADE. Or if you guys have ever heard of something called comparative vs absolute advantage.

If anyone's wondering, yes I am trying to prove a point.

I'll begin with this: it is a fundamental knowledge in economics that there are ALWAYS winners and losers in trade. However, winning and losing also depend on the most important factor of all, TIME, as in short run and long run.

[sadolakced acid]

why is it not bush's fault that there is a national defict?

there was an actual surplus at the end of the clinton admin. it wasn't an economy in recession, but an economy ready to go into recession. bush could have stopped it, if he had the skill and had paid attention to it.

when i ask people to tell me why we're in iraq, they say that sadamm had helped osama, or he deserved to be removed.

can i remind you that your 'man with morals' told america that he was attacking sadamn it was because he 'had' weapons of mass destruction?

may i remind you that our leader with a 'clear and steady plan' shifted the reason for the war in iraq when it became apparent no WMDs were going to be found?

might i remind you that sadamm could not have hit us if he did have WMDs?

could i remind you that osama tried to unseat sadamm?

[Teesa]

i am so angry and sad at the same time..i feel ur pain razbus.

[muffin dude 292]

I am not angry I actually wanted bush to win.

[metabolic666]

I'm only a tad bit disapointed but oh well 4 more yers of the retarted guy

[sunissed14127]

i am very pissed. I think he's a liar & a racist pig and if it was leagal i would-o never mind i dont wanna offend any one. well i wrote basicaly most of the things u kno/think about bush in the what are some good things about bush or w/e it was called.in my opinion i think he has killed our country.

[*kryogenix*]

why is it not bush's fault that there is a national defict?

there was an actual surplus at the end of the clinton admin. it wasn't an economy in recession, but an economy ready to go into recession. bush could have stopped it, if he had the skill and had paid attention to it.

how could Bush had stopped it? he wasn't in office until January. The recession started in November.

when i ask people to tell me why we're in iraq, they say that sadamm had helped osama, or he deserved to be removed. 

can i remind you that your 'man with morals'  told america that he was attacking sadamn it was because he 'had' weapons of mass destruction? 

may i remind you that our leader with a 'clear and steady plan'  shifted the reason for the war in iraq when it became apparent no WMDs were going to be found? 

might i remind you that sadamm could not have hit us if he did have WMDs? 

How is this Bush's fault? 3 top intelligence agencies said yes, there were WMDs.

could i remind you that osama tried to unseat sadamm?

Source? The 9/11 commission report even said there was contact between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Also, Iraq harbored terrorists that were wounded in Afghanistan.

I'm only a tad bit disapointed but oh well 4 more yers of the retarted guy

Spell retarded correctly before insulting our President's intelligence. Plus, wasn't there some study that said Bush was smarter than John Kerry?

  i am very pissed. I think he's a liar & a racist pig and if it was leagal i would-o never mind i dont wanna offend any one. well i wrote basicaly most of the things u kno/think about bush in the what are some good things about bush or w/e it was called.in my opinion i think he has killed our country.

Pure slander. Can you back up these statements with facts? No. And I could barely understand what you are trying to say anyway.

[Spirited Away]

*taps foot*, I'm still waiting for someone, anyone to answer my previous questions about your dislike of Bush because the country is seemingly losing jobs to foreign countries.

[highly_evolved]

. . . . . . man i dont get it, weve all seen wat hes done, weve heard him talk, weve heard him make up words, and yet...still people re-elect him? o ya, wait he legalized guns, thats kool i dont mind a 6 year old buying a gun. whats the harm in that?

[*kryogenix*]

. . . . . . man i dont get it, weve all seen wat hes done, weve heard him talk, weve heard him make up words, and yet...still people re-elect him? o ya, wait he legalized guns, thats kool i dont mind a 6 year old buying a gun. whats the harm in that?

The right to own guns is in the constitution. What are you babbling on about?

[highly_evolved]

The right to own guns is in the constitution. What are you babbling on about?

course its in the constitution but theres gotta be limits. do you WANT 6 year old buying a gun? do you seriously not care?

[ComradeRed]

A STATE can pass limits on gun ownership.

The Federal Government is LEGALLY PROHIBITED from passing gun laws. Law is the most important thing in a country. A country without laws must be either an anarchy or a dictatorship.

---

But there is reason to believe that Bush's second term will be much better than his first:

1) He will not pander to evangelicals and base voters so much. As Tim Russert noted, "Bush's first term was for the voters, his second is for history." Bush will want to be remembered well, and I think that the best way he can do this is by reigning in Social Security, Medicare, and the Tax System. Now that Bush has won a second term, there will be no doubt that he will go down in history, for better or worse, as one of our most influential presidents. The same goes for Kerry.

2) The reason behind this is because, the three most important events in our political history: The ratification of the Constitutiion (1789), the start of the Civil War (1861), and FDR's New Deal (1933) all happened 72 years apart. It seems that every 72 years, a politician (Washington, Lincoln, FDR) makes an earth-shaking change that CHANGES OUR REPUBLIC FOREVER. For example, the period from 1789 to 1861 is widely called Constitutional, because the government followed the Constitution, between 1861 and 1933 is corporate, because the government primarily followed the interests of big business, and from 1933 on as socialist, where the government primarily focused on enlargening itself.

Now if this trend holds, then 2005 will be the start of the Fourth Era, and Bush will be the one who starts it. He will do something in 2005--circumstance will force it--which may lead to restoring our Constitutional liberties, and the total destruction or at least reform of many of hte programs such as Social Seucirty and Medicare that are bankrupting our country.

Either that or he'll lead us into a fascist dictatorship.

3) Neoconservatism is turning out of vogue. The failure in Iraq has convinced many in the Republican Party that their brief experiement with neocosnervativism ought never be repeated. Exit polls after the election show that, while over 80% of the voters perfer Bush to handle the War on Terror, fewer than 30% perfer him to handle the War in Iraq. Even Francis Fukuyama, the founder of neoconservative thought, has dismissed the war as an abject failure which has not led to democratization, and has only created more terrorists--as much as I disagree with him on many issues, he is right about that. In this sense, the war was a valuable learning experience for hte Republican Party, much as Vietnam was a valuable learning experience for the Democratic Party to mind our own business.


I supported Kerry (Badnarik was my first choice), but just because Bush has been elected does not make this the end of hte world.

[highly_evolved]

I supported Kerry (Badnarik was my first choice), but just because Bush has been elected does not make this the end of hte world.

it sure will make one hell of a difference though.

[razbus]

Okay, here is the bottom line:

1. Bush is forcing HIS FCUKING RELIGION on the rest of america!

Just answer me this... someone... anyone. What possible reason could anyone have to outlaw same-sex marriage? Hm? Think of one LOGICAL reason that has nothing to do with religion. Anything. And don't say morals because the word "morals" in every sense is directly related to christianity.

2. Bush is combining church and state!

Okay, WHAT CHURCH? His church! Not mine. Why should i pray in school, or be forced to say "one nation under God"??? Not my nation. Not my god. Not my president.

3. Abortion

Im not going to even touch this subject. ... er, well, let me just say that until the umbilical chord is cut, technically it is still a part of the womans body. *cough* viva la choice.

4. Shipping jobs overseas

Shipping jobs overseas is fine with me. ::gasp:: BUT, when the reason you are doing it is so that you can pay some little Hungarian kid 50 cents an hour... that's wrong. Do it for knowledge, do it to full fill quotas. But not to save money and avoid minimum wage laws.

Well, thats all i have to say. I finally got all that shit off my chest. If anyone cares to reply... PLEASE DO. I await your excuses.

[*Weird addiction*]

i feel sooo dissapointed,i wanted kerry to win,bush is no good,THANK god im not american coz ill be soooooo pissed!!

[Spirited Away]

Okay, here is the bottom line:

1. Bush is forcing HIS FCUKING RELIGION on the rest of america!

Just answer me this... someone... anyone. What possible reason could anyone have to outlaw same-sex marriage? Hm? Think of one LOGICAL reason that has nothing to do with religion. Anything. And don't say morals because the word "morals" in every sense is directly related to christianity.

I'm as Agnostic as can be and I don't feel like he's forcing religion down my throat. How come same-sex activists understand that on the road of freedom and equality there will some setbacks, but you can't seem to comprehend that?

I'm a moral person my dear, but I've never once considered myself to be Christian. Without religion, ONLY morality upholds what is right in society. Without religon AND morals, there's no point in marriage--what homosexuals are fighting for--AT ALL.

Morality in Christianity is different from morality that has existed way before any religion. Try not to group them together. If you want to know why they're different, let me know.

I'm currently against homosexual marriages. But like I've said MANY times in these debates, changes this drastic need time for everyone to adjust. Morally minded people do not like to see people in love not being able to married, but it takes time to adjust to the fact that those people are of the same sex. Though you may think that this is backward way of thinking, that is how the human mind works. Period. Change needs time.

2. Bush is combining church and state!

Okay, WHAT CHURCH? His church! Not mine. Why should i pray in school, or be forced to say "one nation under God"??? Not my nation. Not my god. Not my president.

He many not your President, but he's mine, and so was Clinton and so were Presidents that preceeded him.

Are you forced to pray to the Christian God in school? Are you forced to say the pledge? It has been a while since I'm in educational facilities that have pledges in the mornings, but I remember NOT being forced to cite it, ever. People will look you weird if you do not, but since when do you HAVE to say "under God"? Since when do you have to cite the WHOLE enchilada? Is someone going to throw you in jail for not saying "under God"? If they do, let me know and I and many others will help raise money for a lawyer for you.

3. Abortion

Im not going to even touch this subject. ... er, well, let me just say that until the umbilical chord is cut, technically it is still a part of the womans body. *cough* viva la choice.

Choice indeed, but what about the baby's choice?

I'm pro-choice, but I still consider the morality of killing something that will become a baby. Sure, you can say that contraceptions prevent making babies, but note that I said the KILLING of something that will become a baby. Preventing it and killing it are two different things.

4. Shipping jobs overseas

Shipping jobs overseas is fine with me. ::gasp:: BUT, when the reason you are doing it is so that you can pay some little Hungarian kid 50 cents an hour... that's wrong. Do it for knowledge, do it to full fill quotas. But not to save money and avoid minimum wage laws.

Uh, yea. That's shows how much you know about exchange rates. 50 cents to them means more than it means to us. Their minimun wage law is different than ours. But how are you so sure that they get paid 50 cents an hour by American businesses?

But to move on to my point:

The Labor Code of 1992 states that children may only be employed when they have finished their compulsory education, which effectively sets the minimum age for work at 16 years.[2158] However, children who are at least 14 years old are permitted to work if the work does not interfere with schooling or if they are exempt from attending school.[2159] All children under age 16 must obtain the consent of a legal guardian before entering into an employment contract.

The above is quoted from the Bureau of International labor affairs about Hungary's child labor laws. That should give you peace of mind about child labor there.

There are of course, children who works as beggars and in discreet sweatshops (if there are any), but doesn't that happen in every country?

Do you think that outsourcing is not regulated to ensure fairness in payment?

Well, thats all i have to say. I finally got all that shit off my chest. If anyone cares to reply... PLEASE DO. I await your excuses.

Is that how you debate? By saying what others will say "excuses"? Shows how mature you are.

[sunissed14127]

Pure slander. Can you back up these statements with facts? No. And I could barely understand what you are trying to say anyway.

fine u want facts:

what i was saying about him being racist: Has he done anything for the black,hispanic,asian,and other communities? no! and in my local newspaper,it said this about immigration:"Favors a new temporary worker program to match willing workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.The program would be open to aliens currently employed in the United States." that is going to cut down jobs for immigrants. Immigrants have families they need to support too!

And what i mean about him killing our country: He has turned all countries against us,excepy the saudi's. and did you know that bush sold 7% of the USA to the saudi's? so if they get pissed at us,they will most likely use that 7% of the country against us,because they can do whatever they want with it.he has screwed us over,and if Bush pissed any country off,they could come over here and start killing innocent people with a snap of a finger.


And if you need more,i can go on about Bush all day long.

[razbus]

I'm a moral person my dear, but I've never once considered myself to be Christian. Without religion, ONLY morality upholds what is right in society. Without religon AND morals, there's no point in marriage--what homosexuals are fighting for--AT ALL.

I'm currently against homosexual marriages. But like I've said MANY times in these debates, changes this drastic need time for everyone to adjust. Morally minded people do not like to see people in love not being able to married, but it takes time to adjust to the fact that those people are of the same sex. Though you may think that this is backward way of thinking, that is how the human mind works. Period. Change needs time.

1. Morality IS derived from religion. The term "moralality" is different that the term "ethics". I don't have morals, but i do have ethics.

2. It takes time to adjust? Adjust to what? People felt the same way about inter-racial marraiges only a few decades ago. If people still had your attitude, inter-racial marriage would be illegal. Just to give people... "time to adjust".

He many not your President, but he's mine, and so was Clinton and so were Presidents that preceeded him.

Are you forced to pray to the Christian God in school? Are you forced to say the pledge? It has been a while since I'm in educational facilities that have pledges in the mornings, but I remember NOT being forced to cite it, ever. People will look you weird if you do not, but since when do you HAVE to say "under God"? Since when do you have to cite the WHOLE enchilada? Is someone going to throw you in jail for not saying "under God"? If they do, let me know and I and many others will help raise money for a lawyer for you.

3. I liked clinton. He was the best thing for this country. "Scandals" aside.

4. I have been FORCED to say the complete and entire pledge by several teachers. And it's not the fact that its the "Christian God" as you said, it's the fact that its ANY god. This country was founded in order to avoid religious constraints and prossecutions, and here we are imitating the very demons that we fought to get away from.

Uh, yea. That's shows how much you know about exchange rates. 50 cents to them means more than it means to us. Their minimun wage law is different than ours. But how are you so sure that they get paid 50 cents an hour by American businesses?

But to move on to my point:


QUOTE 
The Labor Code of 1992 states that children may only be employed when they have finished their compulsory education, which effectively sets the minimum age for work at 16 years.[2158] However, children who are at least 14 years old are permitted to work if the work does not interfere with schooling or if they are exempt from attending school.[2159] All children under age 16 must obtain the consent of a legal guardian before entering into an employment contract.



The above is quoted from the Bureau of International labor affairs about Hungary's child labor laws. That should give you peace of mind about child labor there.

There are of course, children who works as beggars and in discreet sweatshops (if there are any), but doesn't that happen in every country?

Do you think that outsourcing is not regulated to ensure fairness in payment?

5. I was only using Hungary as an example smart ass. And the fact that companies like ford are sending jobs to mexico to save a buck or two is outragious. Of course a dollar there is worth more than here, but the fact is, that most countries dont even have minimum wage laws. And u.s. companies are exploiting that.

Is that how you debate? By saying what others will say "excuses"? Shows how mature you are.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

[Spirited Away]

1. Morality IS derived from religion. The term "moralality" is different that the term "ethics". I don't have morals, but i do have ethics.

2. It takes time to adjust? Adjust to what? People felt the same way about inter-racial marraiges only a few decades ago. If people still had your attitude, inter-racial marriage would be illegal. Just to give people... "time to adjust".

So, you're saying that without religion, there isn't morality? What came first? Religion or morality?

HAHAHAH, this basically messes up your whole religion and homosexuality arguement. After all, morality and religion are one, therefore, if religion disagree with homosexuality, morality would also. That means, homosexuals are immoral simply because they're not doing the moral thing.

Religion is supposed to be moral, but moral doesn't have to be religion.

With that line of arguement, I wholeheartedly disagree. There are very moral minded people who have no problem with homosexuality.

You're confusing yourself with structured definitions. Think about it, what is ethics if it's not doing the right thing? Doing the right thing means you're moral. However, doing the right thing doesn't necessarily mean you're religious, now does it? They do not mean the same thing, child.

Hmm, if people still have my attitude? Are you going to be a cry baby in this debate? If not, then keep the personal attack level down and duke it out with real skills.

Anyway, let me ask you, did Black people win their freedom over night? No, it took years of work and many lives lost. Did interracial marriage received warm welcoming? No, it took them struggles to prove their legitimacy in society.

No, it isn't fair that these groups must fight for what should be naturally accepted in society, but that's how life works. Period. Do you mean to say to me that you expected problem solved for you in life? Do you expect your freedom to be given to you on a silver plater? Did our Founding Fathers gained freedom by just complaining or did they fought for it?

Since you began the personal attacks, I will entertain myself in turn: you do not understand the philosophy of the mind, I can understand that. Many youths think that everything should be freely given and forget that things that they have today were fought and won with hardword and blood of those before them. That's understandable when one wishes to remain ignorant, but it's not understandable for someone who thinks he/she knows all to rant and rave without understanding how life works.

And it may be so surprising to you to know that change needs time, but that's just how life works.

4. I have been FORCED to say the complete and entire pledge by several teachers. And it's not the fact that its the "Christian God" as you said, it's the fact that its ANY god. This country was founded in order to avoid religious constraints and prossecutions, and here we are imitating the very demons that we fought to get away from.

What is your religion? You can simply address this to your counselor or VP and let them know that saying "under God" is considered to be against what you believe in. You can very much bring a lawsuit to the school if your teachers persist that you say "under God" when it is against your religion to say so.

Know that our many of our founding fathers were NOT Christians. There were many Deists. Indeed ONE OF THE MANY REASONS this country was founded was to escape religious persecutions, but who will throw you in jail here for praying to the Hindu gods in school? Who here will throw you in jail for praying to Allah? You think you're persecuted? You're far from it.

5. I was only using Hungary as an example smart ass. And the fact that companies like ford are sending jobs to mexico to save a buck or two is outragious. Of course a dollar there is worth more than here, but the fact is, that most countries dont even have minimum wage laws. And u.s. companies are exploiting that.

Use a better example, dumb ass. How is it outrages when Ford's competitors, ie Toyota and Honda, can minimize their cost much easier than Ford? I can see that you've never taken an economics course in your life.

Let me try to explain this as briefly, and simply as I can:

You have a SMALL market for cars made only by Ford, Toyota, and Honda. Cars from Toyota and Honda are generally cheaper to make, no contest there. The only way to STAY in this market is to maximize profit by minimizing cost, that is, cost of production. Why?

Because consumers, you and I, like inexpensive, quality cars. Ford cannot sale their cars for less than what it cost them to produce it. Therefore they find new ways to lower cost of production to be able to compete with low prices that Toyota and Honda are offering. That means, they will export manufacturing jobs to places that will not demand high wages.

That's called strategy. As far as the economy is concerned, not only does exporting jobs lowers their cost of production, it also strengthen business ties with the other countries. That, grasshopper, is what we call globalization.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

I know your level of maturity by way of how you express yourself with such anger without looking at the bigger picture. You need not to make excuses of your own for your immaturity because it won't work until you can accept other people for who they are--slow to change.

It's funny how you desperately want people to understand homosexuality, yet you fail to understand people in return. You're running in a circle by your own making. You, yourself, are "unwilling" to change your opinions, yet you like to judge others about their unwillingness. Talk about unadulterated hypocrisy.

[razbus]

... I'll address this later. I have better things to do.

[Spirited Away]

Uh, yea, sure. If you have better things to do, then why get to it at all?

[*kryogenix*]

fine u want facts:

what i was saying about him being racist: Has he done anything for the black,hispanic,asian,and other communities? no! and in my local newspaper,it said this about immigration:"Favors a new temporary worker program to match willing workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.The program would be open to aliens currently employed in the United States." that is going to cut down jobs for immigrants. Immigrants have families they need to support too!

And what i mean about him killing our country: He has turned all countries against us,excepy the saudi's. and did you know that bush sold 7% of the USA to the saudi's? so if they get pissed at us,they will most likely use that 7% of the country against us,because they can do whatever they want with it.he has screwed us over,and if Bush pissed any country off,they could come over here and start killing innocent people with a snap of a finger.


And if you need more,i can go on about Bush all day long.

Why should he? Are you saying those races are more important? I'm asian, and I don't think that I should be getting any special treatment. We are all Americans, we are all equal, NO ONE should be getting any special treatment because of their race. Why can't immigrants take advantage of this program as well.

Your second paragraph is a lie. All countries? Have you forgotten the coalition of the willing? The countries that like us far outnumber those who hate us. Cite your sources if this isn't a lie.

Go ahead, but don't try to pass lies as facts.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Kerry wins the big states on the coasts where voters are normally swayed by constant visits and political ads.

Where did Bush win states (besides the coasts)?

Bush won basically every state in the middle of the country, and many on the east coast.

Many of which never saw any political figure, and decided on their own.

[xTINAA]

i`m not sad nor angry or anything. in fact i`m happy that bush won. i would type all the reasons why but i`ll do that at a later time, i`m much too lazy to type it all. plus i`m getting pretty annoyed with all the same talk going on about the election. it`s over people, Bush won. I mean, i understand that you Kerry supporters are pissed and still want to talk about it, but just stop. it`s been going on for too long.

[jnukes]

i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

[sunissed14127]

Why should he? Are you saying those races are more important? I'm asian, and I don't think that I should be getting any special treatment. We are all Americans, we are all equal, NO ONE should be getting any special treatment because of their race. Why can't immigrants take advantage of this program as well.

Your second paragraph is a lie. All countries? Have you forgotten the coalition of the willing? The countries that like us far outnumber those who hate us. Cite your sources if this isn't a lie.

Go ahead, but don't try to pass lies as facts.

I'm not passing lies as facts. its the truth. just think about it: how many contries do you know of that truly like Bush and have helped our our county/him? not very many.And i wasnt saying that other races are more important or deserve special treatment,I'm saying that he hasnt done anything for those races,or helped them And we are all entitled to our opinions,so u dont have to be rude.

[divinity_star]

I am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad that Measure 36 here in Oregon passed. Now a man and woman define marriage. I hate talking about this kind of stuff in school because people act so ignorant when you give your opinion. Also people take it on a personal level like you just killed their dog or something...Why are people so crazy?

Edit: Oh and please tell me you people don't take things for face value and believe everything you hear. I hope you watch FOX and not CNN at least they put it in the middle and don't put most of everything in Lefty's Favor.

[Spirited Away]

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

So, how do you think Eminem knows that Bush knew about 9/11 (prior to its occurrence)? Come on, are you going to believe Eminem just like that and not figure out things on your own???

[sunissed14127]

^ i think that was eminem's opinion on bush.And i think eminem made a pretty good point in the song.

[ryfitaDF]

bush did know about 9/11, though. he didn't act upon it because the document's title about it was too vague ("osama bin laden plans to attack in U.S." or somthing along those lines).

and, yes, my source is fahrenheit 9-11. i know michael moore tells half truths, but there was actual footage of Conelisa (sp?) Rice prooving that they knew about it. you can't make up actual footage.

[inlonelinessidie]

bush did know about 9/11, though. he didn't act upon it because the document's title about it was too vague ("osama bin laden plans to attack in U.S." or somthing along those lines).

and, yes, my source is fahrenheit 9-11. i know michael moore tells half truths, but there was actual footage of Conelisa (sp?) Rice prooving that they knew about it. you can't make up actual footage.

Your source might be Fahrenheit 9/11 but I also have news sources to be it up too. All taken from here :

For months after the attacks, Bush administration officials maintained there was no indication terrorists were considering suicide hijackings. But the report said the FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security officially considered such a possibility as early as March 1998.

The panel's finding follows earlier disclosure of a 1999 report prepared for the National Intelligence Council that warned of suicide hijackings.

The commission report acknowledged there was no specific intelligence indicating suicide hijackings would occur but said the FAA still had a responsibility to protect the flying public against such a threat.

On Monday, the first day of a two-day public hearing, the commission said U.S. authorities missed some obvious signs that might have prevented some of the September 11 hijackers from entering the country.

Government officials have said the 19 hijackers entered the country legally, but the panel said its investigation found at least two and as many as eight had fraudulent visas. The commission also found examples in which U.S. officials had contact with the hijackers but failed to adequately investigate suspicious behavior.

And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, believed to be the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, exploited the fact that customs officers did not routinely collect fingerprints to obtain a visa, even though federal authorities in New York indicted him in 1996 for his role in earlier terrorist plots. He never entered the country and was apprehended after the attacks.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm not passing lies as facts. its the truth. just think about it: how many contries do you know of that truly like Bush and have helped our our county/him? not very many.

Geez. You just don't get it do you.

There are plenty of countries that support the US. Here's the coalition of the willing:

Full list of coalition countries:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

I'll leave the counting to you.

And i wasnt saying that other races are more important or deserve special treatment,I'm saying that he hasnt done anything for those races,or helped them And we are all entitled to our opinions,so u dont have to be rude.

HAHAHAHA! You aren't stating an opinion. That is not an opinion, that is a pure lie. Calling him racist is a lie.

  i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

WOW! You trust the words of a rapper and take them as fact? Give me a break. I'm embarassed to be part of the youth of America if I have to be grouped with some of you guys.

[Spirited Away]

For months after the attacks, Bush administration officials maintained there was no indication terrorists were considering suicide hijackings. But the report said the FAA's Office of Civil Aviation Security officially considered such a possibility as early as March 1998.

The panel's finding follows earlier disclosure of a 1999 report prepared for the National Intelligence Council that warned of suicide hijackings.

The commission report acknowledged there was no specific intelligence indicating suicide hijackings would occur but said the FAA still had a responsibility to protect the flying public against such a threat.

Bush wasn't President until 2000.

The reports were in 1998/1999, which obviously falls under Clinton's watchful eyes. I wonder then, why do people not expected Clinton to do something sooner and Bush gets all the blame?

[sadolakced acid]

because clinton is already gone, and there's no way anything he does could possible get americans killed, like say DECLARING WAR ON A COUNRTY AND GETTING STUCK IN IT FOR YEARS.

i'm sorry... but here's how i see it...

let's use an analogy here. the united states is a person sitting by a fire, the fire is the terrorists. september 11th was like a spark coming out and setting your cloths on fire. so, after stopping, dropping, and rolling, what does our president who makes strong decisions do? he reaches his hand into the fire, wraps his hand around the wood, and squeezes it.

sure, that'd put out the fire, eventually.

or you could cut off it's oxygen, or move a bit farther from the fire, or both.

what he should have done, instead of gone off attacking other islamic countries (providing a reason for people to hate america and thus blow themselves up in our faces) was tighten security here, at home.


and yes, the fact that it was a supreme court decision that put him in office for his first term doesn't help.

[Spirited Away]

because clinton is already gone, and there's no way anything he does could possible get americans killed, like say DECLARING WAR ON A COUNRTY AND GETTING STUCK IN IT FOR YEARS.

So how come people can say that it's all Bush's faut, when Clinton actually did nothing about the notices and passed the problems on to Bush? The only thing I'm addressing is how some people say that it's all Bush's fault 9/11 happened and that he knew it was going to happen. Well, if we say that Bush knew it was going to happen, we can fairly say that Clinton knew what was to come as well and ignored it because he had to deal with his scandal. Fair is fair right?

[pandamonium]

A bright future of losing more jobs 


That's ^^ the only thing I want to address for now.

Losing more jobs? To be more specific, I think you mean outsourcing, i.e off-shoring. Can you explain to me why you understand this to be a bad thing?

OUT SOURCING basically takes jobs and gives jobs to other people in other countries ... dont tell anyone how that is bad cause outsourcing is basically stealing peoples jobs... and the people they give it to already have college degrees and they can do way better than answering some stupid telephone. There are millions of families that cant support their families cause their jobs have been stolen and they can do nothing else cuase they have no college degrees. how immoral do you think is that.

Please do not assume to know my level of maturity, or anything about me for that matter. You will have to excuse my use of the word "excuse". I am very frustrated will peoples unwillingness to change, and learn. But, anyway... thanks for your excuses uninspiredfae.

preach on !!!

So, how do you think Eminem knows that Bush knew about 9/11 (prior to its occurrence)? Come on, are you going to believe Eminem just like that and not figure out things on your own??? 

 
  i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?



WOW! You trust the words of a rapper and take them as fact? Give me a break. I'm embarassed to be part of the youth of America if I have to be grouped with some of you guys.

HOW ARE YOU GUNNA STOMP ON A 14 year old for voicing his thoughts ... you must be really immature to do that? he probably doesnt like bush ... saying something about a song doesnt mean that you should look up all the facts before you listen to it... what dont tell me that you look up what the lyrics mean before you hear a song?? Let him say what he wants to say. i mean seriously he is just "STATING HIS OPINION" remember that ... you must of remembered from an old TOPIC...hmmmmmm maybe hilary clinton would help.

um, yeah? im still undecided. its getting a bit patheric actually, but if they "took half of what kerry say and half of what bush says and put them together, they would be the perfect president" as someone or other said

that could be a great idea lol.



AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

it really pisses me off with gay marriages... you are born gay you cant prevent that.... what about about being straight... do you choose to be straight NO f**kERS you are born that way... thats what i thought. why dont we just stick a dildo up bush's ass and call it a day.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war. The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

and the only reason i think its alright that bush won is because we are in the middle of a war... and it would be unfair and not right if we changed presidents during war.

[sadolakced acid]

i have the unfortunacy to live in a red state. alabama

these are the best reasons that bush supporters have given me for why bush is better:

- he's consistent and doesn't waver ( yea, consistently wrong)
- kerry's a P**sy ( GWB was a male cheerleader at yale)
- he's smart ( ~1200 on his SATs? i know 7th graders who beat him. )
- he's religious (you call him Mr. president instead of priest, father, decon, etc. for a reason.
- he has morality ( he skipped out on the alabama national guard. seriously. there is a 30,000 dollar reward out there to anyone who can prove he served his time in alabama. there were 600 people in his unit. not one has stepped forward. )

did i mention that a popular window sticker for cars is a confederat flag, there's a kid at my school who belives the civil war is still going on, that they just have a ceasefire and will start fighting again, and some kid came to school wearing a KKK hood and beat up a black kid?

you got to love alamaba.

(note: only 60 percent of people here are pro-bush, and we do have requlare people. )

[ComradeRed]

Just for the record, the SAT has changed a lot since the 70s. A 1200 then would probably be the equivalent of a 1350-1400 today. Not the best score, but certainly very respectable.

[sadolakced acid]

the SAT scores on a precentile ranking.

it doesn't matter how much the SAT changed.

about %40 of the people taking the SAT the year bush did beat him at it.

but yes, it is a respectable score.

bill clinton= 1000

al gore= 1300

john kerry= 1100

all these scores cannot be verified ( they're what the person said) because SAT scores are not public.

but personally, i'd rather have someone who got in the high 1400s at the least.

[azn_r4pf4n]

I am glad that Bush got re-elected. Also glad that Measure 36 here in Oregon passed. Now a man and woman define marriage. I hate talking about this kind of stuff in school because people act so ignorant when you give your opinion. Also people take it on a personal level like you just killed their dog or something...Why are people so crazy?

Thats rlly a big issue in cali. defining marriage. this country is run by a democracy, not religion, there is a seperation between church and state, but for some reason, it's bein 4gotten at times.

bill clinton= 1000

al gore= 1300

john kerry= 1100

all these scores cannot be verified ( they're what the person said) because SAT scores are not public.

ahahaha. lol

i'm pretty pissed..

from eminem's song "mosh"... what he says is pretty true.. and what i saw from tha video. that wall with all tha pictures and tha newspaper clip things.. like 'BUSH KNEW ABOUT 9/11'. and i just thought about it. how come Bush didnt protect us when he knew about it? imagine what would happen if another attack happened.. and it was unexpected?

i don rlly kno how u believe its "true," but newspaper clip things???? what the, i barely read them on the music video, and u couldn't see them that well, how would u believe that? RESEARCHHH! apparently, if Bush knew about 9/11, why would the whole country have a whole deficit the country has to deal with? did he even plan to keep 9/11 a secret or even kno about it?

FACTS: We don't kno if he actually "knew about 9-11," cuz we can't get into his brain. Eminem's music video Mosh had put a lot of good points, but Osama Bin Laden as a fake government conspiracy in the music video is obviously fake.

Eminem was putting his own opinion and what he thinks on the music video about Bush.

Kerry wins the big states on the coasts where voters are normally swayed by constant visits and political ads.

Where did Bush win states (besides the coasts)?

Bush won basically every state in the middle of the country, and many on the east coast.

Many of which never saw any political figure, and decided on their own.

Kerry won the west, the northeast, NEW ENGLAND, and New York. Kerry hecka won California cuz most of the costal cities of Cali r very PRO-KERRY.

Bush won the midwest and the south, he won those somehow cuz those were the states that were confused and Bush came and campaigned.

AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

that is true. as i said b4, the seperation of church and state is gettin mixed. yeahh, bush is mixin it up.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war. The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

Thats a rlly big possibility for the reasons. 2/3 of America (on a poll) would say yes to have an amendment to ban gay marriage. another reason: RICH PPLZZZ. the rich dominate the hills up in cali as the pro-kerry pplz r in the coastal cities of cali, therefore the rich voted for him 2. but the lower class is gettin rlly bigger.

My Opinion: Kerry all the way. bush mixes the rule between the seperation of church and state, bush never found weapons of mass destruction, and now iraq is worser than when sadaam ruled. kerry promised to roll back the tax cuts Bush did on the wealthy, and help have affordable healthcare by makin sure that when somebody of a company has a problem with his/her health bills, the government and the company will work together to help pay for it. Kerry plans to make sure our country is like a democracy unlike Bush who mixes the seperation of church and state together.

*whew* long post

[Spirited Away]

OUT SOURCING basically takes jobs and gives jobs to other people in other countries ... dont tell anyone how that is bad cause outsourcing is basically stealing peoples jobs... and the people they give it to already have college degrees and they can do way better than answering some stupid telephone. There are millions of families that cant support their families cause their jobs have been stolen and they can do nothing else cuase they have no college degrees. how immoral do you think is that.

Before your aid/girlfriend/sister/lover/lap dog throw a hissy-fit at me like she did with the other incident, let me tell you that I always return in kind. So, that should explain the following comments. Know that it's not in my character to be unkind, but since you want to pick on me... hehehe, pick on me all you want but expect me to retaliate.

Dear boy, for one who claims he reads everyone's posts, you sure proved yourself stupid when you commented on me without reading the reply I gave after that in another post. I don't want to sound vain but do read what I said, it will serve to better educate you on outsourcing. Though, I think I should begin with the basics because you don't seem to know the fundamental concept that lies behind it.

If you don't understand some words in the following paragraphs, just google it my dear grasshopper.

Lets begin with something simple like laissez faire. It's a very famous French-adapted term that refers to letting businesses do what they want. In our economy we do not have a pure laissez faire system since the government interferes with tax and quotas and policies, whatnot. However, that does mean that we have many freedoms to do business.

Now then, in your perfect COMMUNISTIC world, it's immoral to take jobs away to give to others, but in the normal business world, it's very normal to do away with jobs when there is competition and benefit in comparative advantage (I italicized it so that you will google it since I'm sure this basic concept will be lost on you). In other words, when it costs to much to do a certain business, business owners will find ways to lower costs in hope of staying IN business, especially when they can find good help cheaper elsewhere. This is great for manufacturing companies, newly formed companies, and companies that are struggling to make due.

When you think about it, what kind of jobs are being exported? Telemarketing... and what? Blue collar jobs? Now, I realize that our middle class consists of blue collar workers, but what do you think will happen in the long term? Just think about it before answering me.

Anyway, what is immoral about keeping your business alive? By exporting jobs we strengthen something called globalization. Google that, too, because I'm sure you're clueless again.

College degrees are must have these days if you want to be financially stable in an honest way.

preach on !!!

ignorant people will stick together like glue.

HOW ARE YOU GUNNA STOMP ON A 14 year old for voicing his thoughts ... you must be really immature to do that? he probably doesnt like bush ... saying something about a song doesnt mean that you should look up all the facts before you listen to it... what dont tell me that you look up what the lyrics mean before you hear a song?? Let him say what he wants to say.  i mean seriously he is just "STATING HIS OPINION" remember that ... you must of remembered from an old TOPIC...hmmmmmm maybe hilary clinton would help.

I'm immature, yes. HAHAH, there's no point in denying that. But I'll tell you what, it's better to be an intelligent immature person, than to be a stupid one.

Look up the lyrics? What on earth are you talking about? Clearly, you do not understand the intention behind my reply, which worries me as to how you will understand what I wrote in the above paragraphs. Oh well, I'm sure you'll manage.

I asked him if he will believe something that a rapper says without researching facts on his own. Simple as that. I will ask you the same thing. Kids these days are so gullible. They think so long as a person's a movie star/singer, they'll be the smartest thing alive. I was only worry that certain people will fall into that trap. I only hope to shed on some light in an educational way which is more than I can say about how rude you were to misschrissy.

AND THE WHOLE THING WITH RELIGION & GOVERNMENT
bush does mix it together which is horrible cause it creates madd chaos in the world you can never mix those two together and in presidency bush is somehow doing it.

Uh, yea. If you feel that way then more power to you. I'm agnostic, and I'm fine the way he's doing things. That's just my two cents though and you obviously disagree.

it really pisses me off with gay marriages... you are born gay you cant prevent that.... what about about being straight... do you choose to be straight NO f**kERS you are born that way... thats what i thought. why dont we just stick a dildo up bush's ass and call it a day.

Just to make things clear. It is UNPROVEN whether or not homosexuality is nature or nurture. There is still a controversy over that.

You're another walking talking hypocrite, dear. You want people to accept gays, why? Because gays are people with different way of life with different beliefs, right? Then how come you call straight people who are against homosexuality f**kers? People who are against it are simply the same as homosexuals. They have a different way of life and different beliefs.

Instead of showing your hate, show people tolerance. That's the only way to convince anyone in that controversy.

THE ONLY REASON BUSH WON was because most (not all) of the southern states and the mid western states voted for him... the people who post confederate flags on their windows.. the ones who like war.  The people with rifles who are taught to not like homosexuals.

Uh, yea, shows what you know about real life and you call me immature? You stereotype everything you know and you expect me to be persuaded by you. Don't make me laugh.

and the only reason i think its alright that bush won is because we are in the middle of a war... and it would be unfair and not right if we changed presidents during war.

That's the most generic response I've heard in my life, well, aside from a few others.... But it is the only thing remotely close to thoughful that you've said thus far. Congratulations, have a cookie.

[sadolakced acid]

personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led school prayer ( where they read a bible verse over the intercom) ( and he said he would) i will presonally chant anti-christ things during it. like... hail bush! he is the supreme reincarnation of the great lucifer!


god and government need to be separated for a reason.

[Spirited Away]

personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led school prayer ( where they read a bible verse over the intercom) ( and he said he would) i will presonally chant anti-christ things during it. like... hail bush! he is the supreme reincarnation of the great lucifer!


god and government need to be separated for a reason.

He can read the Bible verse and we'll both do something. Hehehe. You can chant something from evil, and I'll read to people from my book, The Anti-Christ. We'll have fun either way.

The government isn't all that bad. At least, not until it throws us in jail for believing something different than the majority.

[pandamonium]

hi

I asked him if he will believe something that a rapper says without researching facts on his own. Simple as that. I will ask you the same thing. Kids these days are so gullible. They think so long as a person's a movie star/singer, they'll be the smartest thing alive. I was only worry that certain people will fall into that trap.

i know this youth is very influential ... thx to media and society

Instead of showing your hate, show people tolerance. That's the only way to convince anyone in that controversy.

thx...i will remember that next time...

Anyway, what is immoral about keeping your business alive? By exporting jobs we strengthen something called globalization. Google that, too, because I'm sure you're clueless again.

College degrees are must have these days if you want to be financially stable in an honest way.

I know how off-sourcing works and the whole thing with finding people that are willing for cheaper pay and making your businesses more productive ... etc... but what about the people who are given these jobs, these are the people who have college degrees and can do much more better than telemarketing... and the people who have their jobs taken away rely on this job... to them its the only thing they have to live but why do we have to take those jobs away .. im sure there is a better way to settle that... sry if that seemed a little too kind .. unlike you, some of us in the world have "hearts".

so dont lecture me about globalization cause i know you think you have a point in there somewhere.

for one who claims he reads everyone's posts

i never said or implied i read everyone's post... i dont kno where i said/implied that but im sorry you cant read that well.

By exporting jobs we strengthen something called globalization. Google that, too, because I'm sure you're clueless again.

Dont assume i dont kno all of this, im sorry i didnt take the same classes as you did in high school.we all dont have brains as big as yours to fit in that "big head".... it just makes you look very "ignorant" for that whole google thing. ohh yea everything in quotes, google it because i guess my vocabular is lower than yours since your so smart...

[LiLEthiopian]

yea...i'm super DUPER pissed that Bush got re-elected. I think even HE was shocked..lol..he looked really surprised..

It just doesn't seem to add up how he could have possible won..PERIOD..and I was listening to the radio this morning..and i heard that in a county in Ohio, with a pop. of 300, Bush won 4,000 votes...because they were using the electronic voting device.

[Spirited Away]

I know how off-sourcing works and the whole thing with finding people that are willing for cheaper pay and making your businesses more productive ... etc... but what about the people who are given these jobs, these are the people who have college degrees and can do much more better than telemarketing... and the people who have their jobs taken away rely on this job... to them its the only thing they have to live but why do we have to take those jobs away .. im sure there is a better way to settle that... sry if that seemed a little too kind .. some of us in the world have "hearts".

I don't think you understand the big picture or what off-shoring/outsourcing theoretically can bring... but anyway.

There were MANY business that were not successful in their endeavor with outsourcing. There was an article in Time magazine that explained how new businesses can benefit from it but others will be and have been hurt by it. Having a college degree doesn't mean much these days. You know that right? Don't expect to be paid more than $10 an hour if you just got your BA in Marketing without experience nor a good educational background to back you up.

Now then, one reason why some companies simply cannot work with outsourcing was because people with foreign education doesn't have the same education nor experience that people at home have. There were glitches that foreigners just cannot fix and had to be shipped back and forth. This process, of course, is costly itself, so many companies came home from abroad.

You don't need to worry about all jobs going out of the country.

Hearts? Haha, be an entrepreneur and we'll see how much heart you can give to your workers. How come you only think about this one-sidedly? You're taking away jobs but you're also giving away jobs. You're the one that's heartless. You have more chance in the United States to make money than in a third world country worker. Some of these companies are giving away jobs to people who needs it?

Once more, one of the MOST BASIC principles of economics is that there WILL BE WINNERS and LOSERS.

Of course, short term, there will be many losers. But I ask you again, what kind of jobs are being outsourced? Mostly, they're manufacturing jobs, which do not require a college degree. In the long term, young people will know that to live a financially stable life, they must pursue a higher education. And again, in theory, this motivates people to go to college or learn a trade in service sector.

Dont assume i dont kno all of this, im sorry i didnt take the same classes as you did in high school.we all dont have brains as big as yours to fit in that "big head".... it just makes you look very "ignorant" for that whole google thing. ohh yea everything in quotes, google it because i guess my vocabular is lower than yours since your so smart... 

You got it. Glad we're on the same page. But there is one little thing, if everyone who is smart has a big head, there are a lot of big heads in the world then, huh? I guess little heads like yours make you stupid then.

Matching wits is fun isnt' it?

[sadolakced acid]

computer programming jobs are being outsourced to india.

you don't need to know american society to know how to program.


"a company that will go to the ends of the earth for it's people will find it can hire them for about 1/10th the cost of americans. "


just a quote i like.


manufacturing jobs being outsourced usually go to countries with lower wages and no labor laws.

which means although it does give needed jobs to people, they don't get benifits, they don't get paid a lot, working conditions are bad, and sometimes child labor is used.

but, outsource long enough and these countries become industrialized, and it will cost the same tohave factorys there, and then add shipping costs.

so, the jobs are comming back to america. eventually.

[Spirited Away]

Yup... well, at least I partly agree anyway. Short term, plenty of losers. Long term, things brighten up.

The rainbow comes out after the storm sort of thing.

[pandamonium]

i get your whole point about off-sourcing and how business works. it would be great to be an entreprenuer one day.. to be rich and successful. and how caring about other people wont fit into that.. i have seen some of the episodes of the apprentice.lol

Matching wits is fun isnt' it?

ahaha. lol i kno. it was fun arguing with you and you won over that off-sourcing thing i guess kindness cant be used at all times... me arguing with you and stuff like that helped get some stress out lol. well i guess i will see you at another topic ??

[Spirited Away]

i get your whole point about off-sourcing and how business works. it would be great to be an entreprunuer one day.. to be rich and successful. and how caring about other people wont fit into that.. i have seen some of the episodes of the apprentice.lol

Not at all. Big companies do many good things for society.

Enron had the Enron Park... or whatever it's called and there are MANY businesses that lend their employees for volunteer works. The business world isn't as heartless as you claim it to be. There are many things involved, not just black and white, heart and heartless.

ahaha. lol i kno. it was fun arguing with you and you won over that off-sourcing thing i guess kindness cant be used at all times... me arguing with you and stuff like that helped get some stress out lol. well i guess i will see you at another topic ?? 

Sure will. I'm a regular here.

[azn_r4pf4n]

personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led school prayer ( where they read a bible verse over the intercom) ( and he said he would) i will presonally chant anti-christ things during it. like... hail bush! he is the supreme reincarnation of the great lucifer!

he would? what the????

[LiLEthiopian]

o yea..about out-sourcing..during the debates..Bush was saying something about...EDUCATION...

These people didn't just get up and start working over-night. This is their career he's taking away from them. I doubt they're gonna go get some education and everything would be a-o-k...

^^^thats the type of sh*t people should be worried about instead of just saying.."well, he has good morals"...my 5 year-old cousin has morals...I'm sure she's fit to become the President of the United States.

...and from all people, BUSH is trying to tell other people to get EDUCATION...too bad they didn't have the No Child Left Behind plan in his day.

[Spirited Away]

These people didn't just get up and start working over-night. This is their career he's taking away from them. I doubt they're gonna go get some education and everything would be a-o-k...

^^^thats the type of sh*t people should be worried about instead of just saying.."well, he has good morals"...my 5 year-old cousin has morals...I'm sure she's fit to become the President of the United States.

Career in what? Service or manufactoring? Why wouldn't getting an education make people okay? I happen to know MANY older people in my college classrooms. There's nothing wrong with going back to school to get atleast a GED or a two years degree in a trade.

College or no college degree, why American is called the land of opurtunity is because there are opurtunies to succeed either way. If there were no manufacturing jobs, which will never happen so don't worry your head about it, there will be others in the service sector.

If you're for a draft, then vote for Mrs Clinton. A generic answer, but no less true.

[LiLEthiopian]

Career in what? Why wouldn't getting an education make people okay? I happen to know MANY older people in my college classrooms. There's nothing wrong with going back to school to get atleast a GED or a two years degree in a trade.

College or no college degree, why American is called the land of opurtunity is because there are opurtunies to succeed either way. If there were no manufacturing jobs, which will never happen so don't worry your head about it, there will be others in the service sector.

If you're for a draft, then vote for Mrs Clinton. A generic answer, but no less true.

if they decide to go to school, good for them..especially if they can afford it.

and yea..this is the land of opportunities where u can succeed..but it's kinda hard when you get knocked off because ur job..is just given away....>.<

anyways..he got re-elected..atleast we know for sure he's gone in 2008

and I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger is working on changing the rule that says u have to born in the U.S. to be a Pres... ..good luck with that one.

[Spirited Away]

and yea..this is the land of opportunities where u can succeed..but it's kinda hard when you get knocked off because ur job..is just given away....>.<

So the all the immigrants who got here are homeless and jobless? Yea.

Try living in at least one third world country before you deny that America isn't the land of opportunities.

if they decide to go to school, good for them..especially if they can afford it.

Yea, financial aid is only for the rich kids, poor kids can't get a cent from it. Too bad.

If they make enough money so that they financial aid denies them from going to a four year university, there are such things as community colleges and trade school.

I also know people who work full time during the day and go to night school. They're hardworking and they will get something from it. Don't complain for people who won't even try to make things meet for themselves.

[Spirited Away]

i never said or implied i read everyone's post... i dont kno where i said/implied that but im sorry you cant read that well.

Sorry for double posting but, I forgot to address one more thing that you've said in another post:

I do understand her.. i read everyones posts... i ACTUALLY DO AGREE with that whole "hilary is not her husband, just because she is his wife doesnt mean they are the same

So yea, that's where I got it from, our hilary discussion. Too bad you think I can't read well enough. I don't ususally assume things out of the blue.

Kryo also made a snapshot of it, too. (Thanks by the way if you're reading this Kryo).

[pandamonium]

So yea, that's where I got it from, our hilary discussion. Too bad you think I can't read well enough. I don't ususally assume things out of the blue.

ohh wow .. that was from an old post that doesnt mean it goes the same for every other topic that i post in. i meant to say i read everyones post in the hilary topic.. there are a lot more in this topic to read .. i never stated that i read everyones post on this topic.


it would of helped if you pronounced reed like red in *I READ EVERONES POST*

[PinkTrash]

I wanted Kerry to win..

[Spirited Away]

Old post? You're the one who reminded me of it when you rightly accused me bugging on the 14 year old kid, remember? So, it's not really that old if you can refer to it, okay?

Oh, so what you say in other posts aren't suppose to count in this thread? But wait, didn't you just accused me of something I did in another thread?

So yea... How come it doesn't count when you do it, but you count it when I do it? Talk about meanies.

Yea, you also said I was immature. I guess this proves it ! Yay!

[pandamonium]

Old post? You're the one who reminded me of it when you rightly accused me bugging on the 14 year old kid, remember? So, it's not really that old if you can refer to it, okay?

Oh, so what you say in other posts aren't suppose to count in this thread? But wait, didn't you just accused me of something I did in another thread?

So yea...     How come it doesn't count when you do it, but you count it when I do it? Talk about meanies.

you *read* it wrong thats all that happened.. and what did i accuse you of in the last thread? and im definately not a meanie.. thats the last thing people would call me. im very nice excuse me lol.

[Spirited Away]

you *read* it wrong thats all that happened.. and what did i accuse you of in the last thread? and im definately not a meanie.. thats the last thing people would call me. im very nice excuse me lol.  

OMG!! You forget so easily it's begining to SKURED me.

HOW ARE YOU GUNNA STOMP ON A 14 year old for voicing his thoughts ... you must be really immature to do that? he probably doesnt like bush ... saying something about a song doesnt mean that you should look up all the facts before you listen to it... what dont tell me that you look up what the lyrics mean before you hear a song?? Let him say what he wants to say. i mean seriously he is just "STATING HIS OPINION" remember that ... you must of remembered from an old TOPIC...hmmmmmm maybe hilary clinton would help.

So first, you refered to hilary posts first, not me, so it just made you look bad when you said that it "was from an old post". Then you said that I can't read, which is why I brought up the fact that you said it yourself that you read everyone else's posts.

When you stated that what you've said in another post cannot be said for posts in this thread, you basically contradicted yourself since you're the one who made fun of me using info from an old post.

I hope we're clear on that now.

[pandamonium]

So first, you refered to hilary posts first, not me, so it just made you look bad when you said that it "was from an old post". Then you said that I can't read, which is why I brought up the fact that you said it yourself that you read everyone else's posts.

When you stated that what you've said in another post cannot be said for posts in this thread, you basically contradicted yourself since you're the one who made fun of me using info from an old post. 

I hope we're clear on that now.

ohh ok lol i just wanted to know hehe. sry.

[Spirited Away]

No need to be sorry, they'll be a lot of clashing heads in debate. I just happen to be nit picky about everything, as you can see.

[*kryogenix*]

personally, if bush enacts a nation wide led school prayer ( where they read a bible verse over the intercom) ( and he said he would) i will presonally chant anti-christ things during it. like... hail bush! he is the supreme reincarnation of the great lucifer!


god and government need to be separated for a reason.

didn't your mother ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

[Spirited Away]

My mother also told me to stand up for what I believe is right. I usually do it by way of rebelling.

[ComradeRed]

For what avail the plough or sail,
Or land or life, if freedom fail?

[sadolakced acid]

didn't your mother ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

two wrongs don't make a right, but one wrong doesn't make a right either.

however, three lefts make a right.

let yourself be heard, and your cause known.


i'd be doing the thing that' would get me suspended. upon which i'd sue, and my cause would be known.

like those kids in the vietnam era that wore the black armbands.
hmm... maybe we should do that... see if they suspend us...
if they did, they'd be idiots.

[*kryogenix*]

My mother also told me to stand up for what I believe is right. I usually do it by way of rebelling.

Why not fight to get the law overturned instead of chanting satanic messages? Just sit down and not pray, it's a lot easier.


Honestly, I don't think it's fair to have prayers over the intercom in public school though.

[Spirited Away]

It's only fair that if one religion is allowed prayers over the intercom, other religions should have the same right.

Civil disobedience was what helped to create America.

In truth, I don't mind prayers much.

[sadolakced acid]

do you know that some schools have the ten commandments by thier doors? if my school had that, i'd post flyers everywhere with extreme anti-christ messages... and the school cannot stop it because they allowed the ten commandments.

i'd have a satanic message painted on a piece of wood to put beside the ten commandments... and the school can't say no because it'd be discrimination.


civil disobedience is the alternate to violent rebellion, kryogenix.

[*kryogenix*]

do you know that some schools have the ten commandments by thier doors? if my school had that, i'd post flyers everywhere with extreme anti-christ messages... and the school cannot stop it because they allowed the ten commandments.

i'd have a satanic message painted on a piece of wood to put beside the ten commandments... and the school can't say no because it'd be discrimination.


civil disobedience is the alternate to violent rebellion, kryogenix.

The Ten Commandments trancends the boundaries of religion. They're a set of moral guidelines, you don't have to be Christian to follow them.

^ Wow, I don't even know what I just said. I'm feeling sick

[ComradeRed]

They are the moral codes of a certain belief system.

Morality is only absolute in a social context, since individuals have free will (but societies do not, their will is dictated by the social will of its members).

Free speech and toleration demands that his Satanic code be allowed alongside the commandments.

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

It's not Bush's fault that there is a deficit. But that's a different arguement. What mess are you talking about? As for the allies, do we want allies that stab us in the back ? (referring to the UN oil for food scandal)

It's people like you who are dividing the United States. We need to be united, just as we were before the Democratic primaries.

we were more united before bush, and i think all bush is doing to this country is destroying it. I reccomend you learn how to survive off the environment, because any moment now we will all be living in the woods, while the rich people become more rich because of their tax- cuts.

[ComradeRed]

Who cares if the rich are getting richer?

Usually, when the rich get poorer, that's a bad sign.

[sadolakced acid]

the ten commandments do not transcend religious boundaries.


first off:

they declare there is a god
they declare that there is one god
they declare that you must worship this one god.


the rest of it has morality in it, but it's still a religious statment.

and plus, you allow one you allow them all, or else it's discrimination.

[Spirited Away]

we were more united before bush, and i think all bush is doing to this country is destroying it.

We weren't united during the American Revolution. We weren't united during civil rights movement. We weren't united during the Vietnam War. As you can see, there are many instances where good ole US of A isn't united but we're just fine years later.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be worrying. However, worrying is one thing, but paranoia is another.

[*kryogenix*]

we were more united before bush, and i think all bush is doing to this country is destroying it. I reccomend you learn how to survive off the environment, because any moment now we will all be living in the woods, while the rich people become more rich because of their tax- cuts.

What? How united were we on 9/12?



Exactly.

the ten commandments do not transcend religious boundaries.


first off:

they declare there is a god
they declare that there is one god
they declare that you must worship this one god.


the rest of it has morality in it, but it's still a religious statment.

and plus, you allow one you allow them all, or else it's discrimination.

Yeah, I realize I wasn't thinking at the time. I was hungry and needed to get some orange juice. My mistake.

[edit] it could be a historical thing. the ten commandments are a primary source document. the school is doing you a favor by giving you a copy right next to the door hehehe . if they had the constitution next to the door, would you post the articles of confederation around the school if you didn't agree with them?

[ComradeRed]

Why not? Articles of Confederation were awesome.

[heyyfrankie]

i wanted bush more than kerry. but i don't really like either one of them!

[sadolakced acid]

ten commandments is historical in that it's part of the old testament ( i think).

if you want religion in school, take a religious studies class. because you can't justify putting one religious icon in front of a school but not another. and if you allow them all, that'd be a pretty crowded front lawn.