drug abuse Options

[ryfitaDF]

i've had it up to here with everyone thinking it's so cool to get "wasted" and "trashed" and all the terms ,that if you actually listen to them, are the most self-demeaning thing EVER! i invite any drug users to give me any reasons why they do it. any good reason at all.

[*kryogenix*]

yeah, I never understood why drug users think it's cool. maybe they are just trying to justify their actions? "I'm hurting myself because it's the cool thing to do!"

[*krnxswat*]

"I'm hurting myself because it's the cool thing to do!"

Possibly because they don't feel "alive" and by hurting themselves and actually feeling physical pain, it reminds them they're still living. In addition, they might do it just to forget about their problems "temporarily."

*Shrugs* I wouldn't know. I'm not a drug user myself.

[Heathasm]

uhhh, not every one who uses drugs think its the cool thing to do....i've never even met a person who's said that, or thought that

i abuse drugs...
because i want to
i dont think there is a good reason to do it, though

[ComradeRed]

Well, abuse means to use wrongly ...

As far as I know, there is only one way to use something like crack... so you can't really abuse it.

[ryfitaDF]

for once kryogenix and i agree on somthing hehe

it disgusts me when people need pain to remind them that they're alive. "killing yourself to feel alive". does it make sense to you? and their are healthier, more productive ways to forget your problems. (not to mension fixing them)

ofcourse people aren't going to admit they do somthing to be cool. if they do that they just ain't cool. how are you going to say they dont think it makes them cool? every day i hear people bragging about how shit faced they got. people don't boast about things they don't think will gain them socail status.

you don't have any reason to do it, and quite a few reasons not to.

and YOU! with all your wisdom and stuff . you know what i mean, though, right? we all know that nothing good can come from crack. atleast the stack of stories i've heard involving it have leaned tward bad. why would you use somthing that has nothing but negative effects?

[Oreo_bro]

i've heard plenty of kids at school saying drinking, getting wasted, getting high, is "cool". I just laugh at them, they just gonna get themselves killed

[christiee_nax]

well you know its really their descision. all you could do is just tell them the facts about what could happen to them if they keep doing drugs and if they're smart enough to realize what theyre doing, then yay. if theyre still so stupid and 'cool' then well let them be. let them die. haha. its their own desicion.

id rather be uncool than cool if the way to be cool was doing drugs

[queen]

well some drugs could really f*ck with your mind... and i guess they like being in their own little crazy world? i've heard way too many stories involving colors, motion, and other weird things regarding mixed interaction of the senses. i've never heard the "it's cool to be wasted", but more like "the cool things you experience"... of course that discludes the aftereffects ;p

[christiee_nax]

ooo its freaky tho you know when you think of it, like your hallucinating and stuff and then you see all these weird things.. creepy! i heard some people were trying to legalize weed (marijuana) for cancer. but they should understand that it could cause effects on the lungs. tsk tsk tsk

[ComradeRed]

The effect marijuana has on lungs... as opposed to DEA bullets?

[ryfitaDF]

can you define DEA bullets?

[Oreo_bro]

can you define DEA bullets?

yeah i want a definintion too.


Down with drugs they dont do jack for your life they make u loose yourself and u end up getting hurt like a mofo in the end!

not to mention they take life..yours and those around you

[christiee_nax]

DEA bullets? sorry, lol. im not a drug expert . i just read alot!

[ComradeRed]

DEA bullets are like regular bullets, only fired by DEA agents.

There are MANY well-documented cases of DEA agents overstepping their authority, often leading to the arrest, imprisonment, or unlawful execution of actual and alleged drug users.

Add on to that all the gang warfare that results from the illegal drug market, and one can easily tell that drugs do MUCH LESS damage than trying to abolish them.

Why does Marijuana cause more harm to society than cigarettes, even though cigarettes are the more dangerous drug?

Because prosecuting victimless crimes is dangerous in and of itself.

The only way to enforce laws against drugs (as well as other victimless crimes) is to violate people's legally guaranteed privacy. This is also something that can't always be done, thus it leads people to not trust the law. This leads to lawlessness and other bad stuff, as can be seen on the streets of many inner cities today. Moreover, we are crowding up our jails with people exercising their alienable right to their own body, instead letting murderers, rapists, and robbers go free.

Moreover, the 21st amendment of the Constitution specifically says that, In the United States, you have the right to produce, transport, and consume, ALL intoxicating substances. It is AGAINST THE LAW to pass laws against drug usage. The last time we tried that, it led to Al Capone and it changed America from the most law-abiding society in the world, to the one with the highest percentage of criminals. In 1900, a 10 year old girl could go to a store and buy heroin, and we had NO Drug problems whatsoever. Today, we do.

The governors of New Mexico, Nevada, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Maine have ALL endorsed marijuana legalization. Governor Schwarzenegger in California is also expected to pass legalization initiatives in California as well. Colorado is also having a legalization initiative on the ballot this November that is expected to pass. States are already realizing that the War on Drugs costs more than its worth -- that all it leads to is violence, family disintegration, brutal miscarriages of law, and MORE people using drugs. The Feds have to realize this as well, or they will continually become a more oppressive and more expensive government.

If you want to use drugs and mess up your life, that's your business. Not mine.

"I see you too build monuments to honor your heroic dead."
--Prime Minister Clemeanceau of France, upon seeing the Statue of Liberty during Prohibition.

[ryfitaDF]

i'm not saying how narcs aren't doing a good enough job. i'm for the legalisation of drugs. that way it won't seem so cool to do them.

but i started this debate to talk about why somone whould even want to ruin their lives with drugs and alcohol. it's a debate on morals.

and if you say "it's their own business", i believe that if i care about them enough it becomes my business.

[Spirited Away]

and if you say "it's their own business", i believe that if i care about them enough it becomes my business.

The thing is, even if it becomes your business, then what?

You can't help them if they're not willing to clean up themselves. People these days know the consequences of using drugs yet they still do it. It's not up to you to help them, they have to take the first step.

[dreamerOi]

i dont do drugs i dont even do tylenol haha. so i say doing something cause its cool just means your not or whatever. since your just following a trend.

[ryfitaDF]

The thing is, even if it becomes your business, then what?

You can't help them if they're not willing to clean up themselves. People these days know the consequences of using drugs yet they still do it. It's not up to you to help them, they have to take the first step.

encouraging them to take the first step isn't bad.

the best thing to do wth a friend who has a drug problem is to eather pull them out or let them fall. it's sad it might turn out that way, but you can't let them drag you down with them.

it sucks how drugs even hurt people who don't even ake them.

[Spirited Away]

Yes, encouragement and support is very much needed for someone who is willing to be helped or have doubts about his/her dealings with drugs. But like you said, there are people who thinks that its cool and it's trendy. Untill they get past the state of mind that it's the cool thing to do, they won't care for your encouragement to quit.

If anything, the way to help is to speed up their stage of "drugs are cool", in my opinion.

[ryfitaDF]

or make sobriety cool. that's what i'm trying to do.

like any relationship, if they don't care for your encouragement you should stop caring for their resumption. it's just sad that alot of friendships end that way. if their were no drug use in th first place their would be no heartache involved.

btw, no one has given a good reason to do them yet.

[Spirited Away]

or make sobriety cool. that's what i'm trying to do.

like any relationship, if they don't care for your encouragement you should stop caring for their resumption. it's just sad that alot of friendships end that way. if their were no drug use in th first place their would be no heartache involved.

How do you go about making sobriety cool in the eyes of those who think it's uncool?

btw, no one has given a good reason to do them yet.

Because they're aren't any. Or at least, I don't think there's anything that could justify it.

[ryfitaDF]

How do you go about making sobriety cool in the eyes of those who think it's uncool?

people used to give punk rockers shit all the time. now everyone wants to be one. it can be done. it's taking time, but i'm getting a few people i know to stop and letting the one's who don't become an example.

[Spirited Away]

people used to give punk rockers shit all the time. now everyone wants to be one. it can be done. it's taking time, but i'm getting a few people i know to stop and letting the one's who don't become an example.

Yup, that definately takes time.

[sammi rules you]

they wanna be part of something. following the crowd and whatnot.

sickens me.

[ComradeRed]

and if you say "it's their own business", i believe that if i care about them enough it becomes my business.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If you really cared about other people, then you would recognize that all people have dignity and are competent to make their own choices. The most compassionate thing you can do for someone is to let them make their own choices.

This is why civilizations have long fought for liberty -- the right to do as you please. Not the right to improve your life, but the right to simply do what you want. This is why most religions say that God loved humankind so much, that he gave us FREE WILL -- even though that he knew it would create evil.

Forcing your preferences on others, even for the cause of love, is wrong. Forced love is rape. It is only through free will that we can truly achieve anything. And by forcing people to accept your preferences, you activate an innate desire within people to rebel, which leads to the opposite of what you wanted to achieve.

People aren't always logical. But we do all desire freedom, lest we be robots. And what is the point to living as robots? In other words, the only real "good" reason that people do drugs is simply to prove that, as humans, they OUGHT to have the right to do what they please with their own bodies. To wit:

"Man may consciously desire what is injurious to himself, what is stupid, simply in order to have the right to desire for himself even what is very stupid and not to be bound by an obligation to desire only what is sensible."
--Fyodor Dovstoyetski

[jjc66]

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[illumineering]

ComradeRed - Your responses are articulate and reflect a great deal of thought and knowledge.

Saying people use drugs for the purpose of being "cool" is a superficial way of viewing the issue. That generalization is the heart of the reason some people recede into the world of drug use. Alienation as the result of judgement and isolation from peer groups can not only lead to depression and drug use, but suicide as well.

Unless you have walked in the shoes of someone who has lived in that world, don't be so quick to evaluate the reasons for using drugs in any unhealthy or recreational manner. It is frequently a way of masking a greater hurt, trauma or issue in life.

I've seen too many people suffer because of this kind of stigma.