Hitler or Colombus, Who is worse? Options

[picaso_smile]

Who do you think is worse? Consider the facts. Colombus is responsibe for killing far more than Hitler. He really started the war between white men and "Indians" and hs voyage brought many diseases to America that killed even more people (The natives weren't immune like the Europeans and couldn't fight off the illnesses)

Then again Hitler was evil. But he was crazy too. In the courts if you commit a crime you can plead insanity and get out of it so........ i'm not really sure which way I'm leaning.

[*tweeak*]

hitler still. colombus was not singularly resposible, for a genocide as hitler was. while columbus certianly isnt someone worth devoting a day to, he was not nearly as bad as hitler

[Spirited Away]

Who do you think is worse? Consider the facts.  Colombus is responsibe for killing far more than Hitler. He really started the war between white men and "Indians" and hs voyage brought many diseases to America that killed even more people (The natives weren't immune like the Europeans and couldn't fight off the illnesses)

Columbus did not kill natives INTENTIONALLY by carrying cold viruses nor did he lead the hate between White men and Natives. Seriously, how would he, with no knowledge of the new land, know that what he considers an everyday cold would be so harmful?


Hitler, on the other hand, killed intentionally.

[Alternativemado]

Hitler or columbus? They were both cruel and evil. Both committed genocide. So its hard to decide but most people think that Hitler was more evil than columbus which isn't entirely correct.

[Alternativemado]

Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE!

[Saeglopur]

Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE!

Not to mention that he would hide and rape the native women while he made the native men find gold or something..

[jambaJUICE]

hitler still. colombus was not singularly resposible, for a genocide as hitler was. while columbus certianly isnt someone worth devoting a day to, he was not nearly as bad as hitler

Yeah. and what inspiredfae said.

[ComradeRed]

Hitler intentionally tried to kill off several races.

Columbus is guilty of lack of judgment. Essentially, Columbus did the same thing Bush is doing in Iraq -- not taking into account the consequences of converting other people to your belief system.

[Spirited Away]

Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE!

Oh yes like he knew what sickness means to Natives and knew exactly that they didn't have the kind of treatment for the common cold so he used to kill them all off

Columbus wasn't a paragon of man today and he wasn't a paragon of man then either. Is hunting for sport really news in that era? You tell me.

[sikdragon]

The first rule of politics is to know that the juice is worth the squeeze.

The juice or the united enemy against us doesnt sting more than what we're accomplishing.

Any conspiracy theories about columbus are entirely speculation... after years of distortion, the truth can no longer be discerned.

Hitler is a far greater evil.

[*CrackedRearView*]

While you shouldn't forget the fact that Columbus actually did kill Indians on purpose who didn't trade with his faction, as well as enslaving millions...he isn't a saint. The voyage itself and Spain should be blamed for that.

But Hitler was a scourge on humanity. A big black blotch on the book of history.

[NiKECHiQ]

Columbus did not kill natives INTENTIONALLY by carrying cold viruses nor did he lead the hate between White men and Natives. Seriously, how would he, with no knowledge of the new land, know that what he considers an everyday cold would be so harmful?


Hitler, on the other hand, killed intentionally.

yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though

but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude.

i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough

[Spirited Away]

yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though

but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude.

i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough

Where'd you hear that?

[strice]

yeah, that sounds a bit far fetched.

[NiKECHiQ]

Where'd you hear that?

from my history teacher

[Spirited Away]

from my history teacher

And where did your history teacher learned that?

I don't mean to question his/her credentials, but I would like to read that material, too, and form my own opinions.

But YOU should know that during that era, there were many cruelties that were not considered out of the ordinary as we consider them so today. What he may also have been exaggerated through the times as you very well know that it does happen with important figures in history.

[*tweeak*]

yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though

but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude.

i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough

yes, but at least he chopped off his hand rather than his head! think of all the things hitler did- all the races he killed (you are aware he killed more than just jews, are you not?) all the people he killed (even though there were more people to kill then) how hitler organized all those people into killing those other innocent people. there were so many germans who helped with the holocaust. yes, columbus was greedy, but the things he did werent nearly as frowned upon in his day, and there ar many many greedy, selfish people. hitler on the other hand is the epitamy of evil

[*krnxswat*]

I believe Columbus's men did most of the killings, and Columbus did not do the actual killing himself. I'm not sure though.

[ComradeRed]

No, microscopic viruses travelling on Columbus's men did almost all of the killing.

[aznxdreamer]

why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome.

[gerundio]

why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome.

Huh? No, you'd be in some corner of Asia apparently.

[Spirited Away]

why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome.

Uh........... no.


If Columbus hadn't made the journey, some other person will eventually have reached the Americas.

[picaso_smile]

Uh........... no.


If Columbus hadn't made the journey, some other person will eventually have reached the Americas.

I'd have to agree with that. ^

[xtremeliquid]

Don't people celebrate Columbus Day?

[*tweeak*]

Don't people celebrate Columbus Day?

yes, but that doesnt mean he actually did anything thats worth celebrating. he never even found the mainland

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

hitler. Columbus discovered a part of america. he didnt kill anyone. the next explorers did. You cant hold him accountable for something he didnt do.

Hitler, on the other hand, Killed jews and beleived that if you didnt have blonde hair and blue eyes you werent perfect and deserved to die. Well if you ask me why does hitler have dark hair and eyes?

[Spirited Away]

yes, but that doesnt mean he actually did anything thats worth celebrating. he never even found the mainland

Though accidentally, he did forged a new pathways and inspired exploration. What's there not to celebrate?

[*tweeak*]

Though accidentally, he did forged a new pathways and inspired exploration. What's there not to celebrate?

well, although he certainly wasnt as terrible as he was thought to be by whoever started this topic, he was not a good man. he did rape people, and such. he only found the islands of the west indies by accident, and even the he could not recognize that he was in fact not in india. i assume he did eventually though, did he not? im a bit rusty on my american history. but anyway, he was not even the first explorer to discover the islands that he landed on, as others arrived there first. he was merely the cockiest of them all, and thus ended up recieving the most credit. but basically, he did not accomplish any of what he is celebrated for. you have a point in saying he forged new pathways and inspired further exploration, but thats not why we have columbus day, or atleast thats not why they tell little kids we celebrate him for. ask my little sisters, or most any american really, what we have columbus day for and theyll most likely say he discovered america, which is untrue

[Spirited Away]

well, although he certainly wasnt as terrible as he was thought to be by whoever started this topic, he was not a good man. he did rape people, and such. he only found the islands of the west indies by accident, and even the he could not recognize that he was in fact not in india.

So? The fact that many discoveries are made by accidents isn't anything new. Why must Columbus be any different from any explorer at that time? His purpose was to find a way to the spice trades in India but found lands that will begin the exploration of the Americas. It's no news that exploration of the unknown can lead to surprising discoveries.

Remember that he was funded by the Queen of Spain at the time and was subject to pressure of finding the Eastern spice market. Upon NOT discovering such, he had to give the Queen something else to ruminate on: gold. Of course he fell into disgrace after not giving Spain the wealth he promised.

Washington Irving was the first to introduce the idea that Columbus found the Americas.

i assume he did eventually though, did he not? im a bit rusty on my american history. but anyway, he was not even the first explorer to discover the islands that he landed on, as others arrived there first. he was merely the cockiest of them all, and thus ended up recieving the most credit.  but basically, he did not accomplish any of what he is celebrated for. you have a point in saying he forged new pathways and inspired further exploration, but thats not why we have columbus day, or atleast thats not why they tell little kids we celebrate him for. ask my little sisters, or most any american really, what we have columbus day for and theyll most likely say he discovered america, which is untrue

In history there was always someone who stumbled on an idea, and someone else who made the idea better and famous. For example, the evolution theory existed before Charles Darwin. Anaximander, Xenophanes, Aristotle and a few more people have made assumptions about evolution, wrote about it and studied what they can about it with what knowledge of science was available during their lifetime. However, what we learned generally learn in school is that Darwin is much credited with formalizing the actual theory.

Why then must Columbus be looked down on if he wasn't the first to reached America? Like Darwin, he was only testing out his theory. Though miscalculated, know that the people of that era does not have firm knowledge on geography. What else do you expect from them? Perfection?

I don't think he ever reached Asia (I don't remember that either).

As for rape and pillaging, though unethical, it was nothing surprising to that era.

[XoXXo_Meg_oXXoX]

Hitler is a lot more worse than Columbus. Hitler started a genocide on purpose. Most of the people Columbus and his crew killed died from illnesses, so that's not really they're fault. But Columbus still treated the Native Americans very badly, by raping, smashing babies heads on rocks...

[xtremeliquid]

Years ago when I was in 2nd grade or so, they made it sound like he was a great man and we did so many activities on him.

[Spirited Away]

Years ago when I was in 2nd grade or so, they made it sound like he was a great man and we did so many activities on him.

So is that a bad thing or a good thing to you?

[sammi rules you]

stalin killed more than both of them.

[ComradeRed]

But Stalin wins the "who would you rather have a beer with?" test.