Jesus, who was he? Options

[sikdragon]

Some religions acknowledge Jesus Christ's existence, although they do not accept him as God. They say he is a good man, a man who was a great teacher. but wait... IF he isn't God then he was either a liar or was senile(he wasn't). No one can deny Jesus was a great and well remembered as human. There is no way he could just be a good man. Why?

1. He claimed to be God.
2. Millions have died as martyrs in his name.
3. Wars have been fought in his name.
4. He would be a major hypocrite.
5. His power would have to be demonic in origin.

There are only two choices when it comes to Jesus. Accept or reject.

Think about it, if God were to come to Earth there would be a few things we would expect.

1. An unnatural entrance.
2. Supernatural powers.
3. Speaks the greatest words ever said.
4. Exist without evil works.

Jesus was born of a virgin. He performed miracles showing his power over death, disease, physics, and he created matter. His words are recorded and are remembered two thousand years after his death. The records of his life show that no one could find fault with him, without distortion.

[gerundio]

Where's the "Jesus was both divine and human" option??!?!??!?!?

[sikdragon]

he can't be both so there is no option.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Where's the "Jesus was both divine and human" option??!?!??!?!?

As much as I hate to do so, I'm going to have to agree with him.

Jesus was both divine and human. Divine because he was te son of God, and human because he came down to earth and had the power to become human.

[gerundio]

he can't be both so there is no option.

Says who?

As much as I hate to do so, I'm going to have to agree with him.

Thanks. F.ck you too.

[*x____duckii*]

Jesus is both, God and Man (or used to be man). God sent Him here to Earth so He could spread the word of God and to save us from sin.

[espionage]

Yeah, to me Jesus is 100% Man and 100% God. He had to have diaper training, and he was able to perform miracles.

Ugh. Pretty confusing.

[sikdragon]

No im saying he can either be God incarnate or an evil man. He cannot be a good man.

[gerundio]

No im saying he can either be God incarnate or an evil man. He cannot be a good man.

How can he not be human? LOL. He was born, breathed, lived in a human body, and then died.

[ohBrian]

hes GOD yo!

well we really dont have evidence that after 3 days he rose up from the dead... and then went to heaven.. or put the ripped ears back together..

but this is just my beliefs that has been passed to us generation by generation.

[tofumonzter]

sorry. give evidence of your point. don't poll please.

[sikdragon]

he was a man, im saying he cannot be a GOOD man. read please.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Thanks. Fúck you too.

Want my phone number and address so we can set up a date?
Vada ottengono una vita, scatto.

he was a man, im saying he cannot be a GOOD man. read please.

Why not? If he is divine then he has the power to become a human and be a good one at that.

[*kryogenix*]

Why not? If he is divine then he has the power to become a human and be a good one at that.

It means, that for the people who do not believe that he is God, he must be a bad person. Because if you don't believe he is the Son of God, he has commited many sins. So the only logical choices would be to accept his existence as the Son of God, or completely deny his existence.

edit: personally, i accept that he is the Son of God.

[sikdragon]

Thank-you someone finally understands... I thought i was clear before

[Spirited Away]

He could be the the Son of God and human.

If the Son of God was a human of great virtue, that proves that humans can a acquire such virtue by following Jesus's words. Therefore, it would make sense to read the Bible.

But, eh, that's all I'm gonna say on this topic because I don't know much about Jesus except that He is what Christians claim to be the Son of God.

[sikdragon]

You don't get it. If he is not God he cannot be a GOOD man, he can still be human.

[Spirited Away]

You don't get it. If he is not God he cannot be a GOOD man, he can still be human.

Okay, I'll take your word for it and I'll take Angel's word for it, too... I mean I DID say that I didn't know about these things, did I not? You both make sense to me (if I believe in God).

[Mr. Psychotic]

I don't believe in God or anything like that....

[rainnydaiis]

the thing about that is that He was the Son of God.. he was more of a messenger and a teacher... so tahts what i believe

[sikdragon]

Jesus said he was God on several occasions. So either he is God or he is a liar.

[rainnydaiis]

Really he said that? I don't recall that but he was the Son thats what I'm sure of and he was his representative no?

[Mr. Psychotic]

Jesus said he was God on several occasions. So either he is God or he is a liar.

liar.

[rainnydaiis]

liar.

You can say he's a liar... it actually depends on the person who either believes in him or not. In your case you don't believe... I say its not a debate I say its ones opinion

[xnastyninjagrlx]

Jesus was basically fully man and fully God. He is God because he is the son of God and desended on earth to die for everyone's sins knowing fully that he will not be accepted by all his people. He was fully man because he experienced all the happiness and pain of humankind. He felt everything a human can possibly feel except that he was SINLESS and pure. He was even tempted in the desert by the devil 3 times, so he was fully man on earth. Without being man first himself, he would not come to fully understand us. He became man because he loves us unconditional and wanted to die for our sins.

[Alternativemado]

If by jesus you mean the one in the bible, which is a fictional book. The bible is full of great stories soem funny and some sad. In the book called the Bible, there is this character called Jesus, Supposably he was the son of this other character called GOD, God was supposably the creater of everything, So jesus, went arounf making miracles and stuff, being a holy guy, so one day some toher ppl who didnt like Jesus wanted to prove that he couldnt make miracles that he was only a joke, so they decided to crucify him to see if he would escape, so they did, and there is a sequel to the book and some people care for it and some dont int he sequel jesus comes bakc from the deaht and blah blah blah blah the story get boring, well this was the basic 411 on him. He's a FICTIONAL character from a FICTIONAL book called the bible. The book is fully is magic and stuff, its reallyt interesting and hilarious.

[gerundio]

Jesus was a communist and a revolutionary. And that's why he was killed. Jesus also had one of the best understanding of the human race, and thus he must have also been human himself. He was also divine.

[sikdragon]

using magic is empowering one's self. The bible teaches to rely on God rather than yourself. The Bible is perfect and gives the account of God's chosen people.

Jesus is either God or not. Jesus said he was God on several occasions. Jesus is God. If he isn't then every one who died in his name.. died for nothing.

Consider this, do carpenters get remembered?? If God were to come to earth we would expect a few things.
1. An unnatural entrance
2.Speaks the greatest words ever spoken
3.has supernatural power

1. A virgin birth
2.His words are the topseller
3.Performed miracles, showing authority over that which he created.

[ryfitaDF]

jim jones preformed mericles. does that mean he's god/the son of god? nearly 1000 people believed he was. do you know where they are now? dead.

jesus is like Jim jones: a cult leader.

how many people really know if it was a virgin birth? none. plus, in those ages pe-marital sex was extriemly taboo.mary could have done anybody to have the "son of god".

the bible is the best-selling book of all time. that means it was plugged excelently throughout the milennia it became availible.

[sadolakced acid]

notice the bible was supported by the same people who imprisioned galileo for saying the world was round.

notice it also says the whole world was flooded and noah landed on the first dry spot of land.

there is not enough water in the world ( they calculated it) for the world to be flooded and if noah landed on the first dry spot, he'd have landed on everest.

so either the bible lies completely ( about the flood) or it streches the truth ( like the flood flooded all of noah's world, but not the whole world. )

either way, the bible is not a historical document.

Jesus was jewish.

where was his wife?

[*wind&fire*]

im glad some on did this....

heres is my problem.... a man native to africa looks african... and man native to germany looks german but a man native to the middle east looks white?????? explain....

[gerundio]

a man native to the middle east looks white?????? explain....

Umm, he doesn't.

What are you basing this on? Renaissance paintings?

[gigiopolis]

Jesus said he was God on several occasions. So either he is God or he is a liar.

People here like to believe Jesus is both God and human, so I'll just agree with that right now.

If that's who/what Jesus really is/was...then that means he doesn't contradict himself when he says he's God. Sorry if I don't make any sense...

So if Jesus is BOTH, then he's not a liar. If you insist on Jesus having only ONE identity, then he is a liar. Take your pick. If you're a faithful Christian you'd probably pick the first one.

[Spirited Away]

heres is my problem.... a man native to africa looks african... and man native to germany looks german but a man native to the middle east looks white?????? explain....

Just imagine what a Jew would look like back then and you'll get what Jesus looked like.

[Oreo_bro]

notice the bible was supported by the same people who imprisioned galileo for saying the world was round.

notice it also says the whole world was flooded and noah landed on the first dry spot of land.

there is not enough water in the world ( they calculated it) for the world to be flooded and if noah landed on the first dry spot, he'd have landed on everest.

so either the bible lies completely ( about the flood) or it streches the truth ( like the flood flooded all of noah's world, but not the whole world. )

either way, the bible is not a historical document.

Jesus was jewish.

where was his wife?

ooo..hot topic, hot hot topic..lets try and answer some questions here.


The bible is was and has been supported by many differently culters, not just the people who imprisioned galileo for saying the world was round *btw..what was that suppose to prove?*

U can calculate all you want and u will never find the exact ratio of water to land or how much water it would take to cover all of the land, rember that land only takes up a small porting of the world. Also, take into account that it rainede for 40 days and 40 nights, *take 40 and times it by 24, seeing as their is 24 hours in 1 day and night, and that will give you 960 hours of rain*. 960 hours of rain..THATS A LOT OF DAMN RAIN. , If hardly 5 hours of hard rain can cause a river to flood a nearby town, imagin 960 hours of heavy rain, yeah i belive that would also cause the oceans themselfs to flood over the land *i live in alaska and 2 or so years ago we got a lot of rain for 2 days, we live near a gulf and the ocean actaully rose up and decimated the nearby road/station/plains, so i know it can happen*

I'd also like to take in account that the bible is not the only source talking about a great flood. In ancient writings found near Rome, and also found near the old inca sites, the tablets told about a great flood that swept over the land, covering all things, notice that i said anicent, so i mean really old. Also scholars are starting to doubt that the grand canyon was created by millions of years of rivers, since some of the layers on top match some of the ones lower down and etc, they belive that some major water experdentier *big water event* happend..much like a flood..key word, flood.

Oh and i also belive the mtn was Mt Sinie or what ever, i dont feel like looking it up, but it was supposently a big mountain.

Jesus was in deed a jew, he was never married, he had no wife.



thats it for me, till next time

[*kryogenix*]

ooo..hot topic, hot hot topic..lets try and answer some questions here.


The bible is was and has been supported by many differently culters, not just the people who imprisioned galileo for saying the world was round *btw..what was that suppose to prove?*

U can calculate all you want and u will never find the exact ratio of water to land or how much water it would take to cover all of the land, rember that land only takes up a small porting of the world. Also, take into account that it rainede for 40 days and 40 nights, *take 40 and times it by 24, seeing as their is 24 hours in 1 day and night, and that will give you 960 hours of rain*. 960 hours of rain..THATS A LOT OF DAMN RAIN. , If hardly 5 hours of hard rain can cause a river to flood a nearby town, imagin 960 hours of heavy rain, yeah i belive that would also cause the oceans themselfs to flood over the land *i live in alaska and 2 or so years ago we got a lot of rain for 2 days, we live near a gulf and the ocean actaully rose up and decimated the nearby road/station/plains, so i know it can happen*

I'd also like to take in account that the bible is not the only source talking about a great flood. In ancient writings found near Rome, and also found near the old inca sites, the tablets told about a great flood that swept over the land, covering all things, notice that i said anicent, so i mean really old. Also scholars are starting to doubt that the grand canyon was created by millions of years of rivers, since some of the layers on top match some of the ones lower down and etc, they belive that some major water experdentier *big water event* happend..much like a flood..key word, flood.

Oh and i also belive the mtn was Mt Sinie or what ever, i dont feel like looking it up, but it was supposently a big mountain.

Jesus was in deed a jew, he was never married, he had no wife.



thats it for me, till next time

Let's not forget that there wasn't super advanced irrigation either. So a flood was possible.

[Spirited Away]

Interesting.

And are we supposed to believe that Noah's Ark housed one male and one female of the world's animals (and not to mention the heavy supply it would take to feed these criters) until the water receded?

[Oreo_bro]

Interesting.

And are we supposed to believe that Noah's Ark housed one male and one female of the world's animals (and not to mention the heavy supply it would take to feed these criters) until the water receded?

actually, this answer comes from a book by a famous creationist named Ken Ham

"Over the years, especally on talk show programs, i have found that when people claim noah didnt have room for all the animals on the ark, they've never figured out how many animals were needed on the ark.

Creationist scientist have done some very careful calculations and found that noah could not only have had represenetives of all the land animals on board - but plenty of room to spare!

Now noah didn't need to take all the SPECIES of land animals on board - just represenetives of the KINDS. In otherwords, he didnt need all the varaties of dogs - just two dogs that would give rise to numerous species in the new world after the flood. Calculations show that probably only around 16,000 animals were needed on board the ark.

Secondly, many people think most land animals were large, like elephants, giraffes, and so on. However, only 11 percent of land animals are larger then a sheep, So, the average size of an animal that was on board the ark was MUCh smaller than that of a sheep."

Now for the size of the ark.

The bible actually gives us calulations so we can actually figure out the size of the ark, also most new bibles tell u how big.

The Ark
Volume: 1,518,750 (ft cubed)
Feet: 450 ft long, 75 ft wide, 45ft high


yeah..it was big enough


oh and one more thing.......with that big of room, noah could have used a lot of the extra space for food

[*wind&fire*]

Umm, he doesn't.

What are you basing this on? Renaissance paintings?

that exactly my point.. i hate it how some white ppl think they are superior so then they put a white spin on every thing....

[Oreo_bro]

that exactly my point.. i hate it how some white ppl think they are superior so then they put a white spin on every thing....

uh..okay..that sounded..racisist..


no one knows the color of jesus's skin, my guess would be a dark white, like maybe a mix of black and white in skin tone color, he did live in the middle east afterall

[sikdragon]

Jews are white. Not arabic.

People here like to believe Jesus is both God and human, so I'll just agree with that right now.

If that's who/what Jesus really is/was...then that means he doesn't contradict himself when he says he's God. Sorry if I don't make any sense...

So if Jesus is BOTH, then he's not a liar. If you insist on Jesus having only ONE identity, then he is a liar. Take your pick. If you're a faithful Christian you'd probably pick the first one.

Let me rephrase. He was either God incarnate or a liar, and he is not a liar.

Interesting.

And are we supposed to believe that Noah's Ark housed one male and one female of the world's animals (and not to mention the heavy supply it would take to feed these criters) until the water receded? 

Noah's ark also had Noah's sons and their wives.

jim jones preformed mericles. does that mean he's god/the son of god? nearly 1000 people believed he was. do you know where they are now? dead.

jesus is like Jim jones: a cult leader.

how many people really know if it was a virgin birth? none. plus, in those ages pe-marital sex was extriemly taboo.mary could have done anybody to have the "son of god".

the bible is the best-selling book of all time. that means it was plugged excelently throughout the milennia it became availible.

Jesus can't be a cult leader. For Christianity to be a cult it would have to be based on false doctrine. It is not. The Bible has more evidence for it than against it.

The Gilgamesh Epic which was written by a people who worshipped pagan gods, has an account of creation and the flood. Aside from reasoning and few details basically coincides with Moses's acocunt.

Scientists who want to date the earth billions of years old will not take into account for a global flood, so their calculations are thrown off.

[Spirited Away]

Noah's ark also had Noah's sons and their wives.

Okay, so then how big was it exactly? And if it only held Noah's family and those animals, what happened to other humans? Enlighten me. I'm thinking that they died off then doesn't that means that we all descended from his family line?

[gerundio]

Jews are white. Not arabic.

White means nothing except a person's skin color. If what you mean to say was that Jesus was European, then you're very wrong. Jesus was semitic, and he shared a lot more in common with Arabic people than with Europeans.

Let me rephrase. He was either God incarnate or a liar, and he is not a liar.

Why do you see everything in black and white?

Noah's ark also had Noah's sons and their wives.

The Gilgamesh Epic which was written by a people who worshipped pagan gods, has an account of creation and the flood. Aside from reasoning and  few details basically coincides with Moses's acocunt.

Scientists who want to date the earth billions of years old will not take into account for a global flood, so their calculations are thrown off.

Noah and the Flood is another story that may have some truth to it, but was blown completely out of proportion.

Put yourself in the shoes of the people of that time. The "whole world" to you would be probably as far as you could see. People back then weren't especially enlightened or sophisticated. There probably was a flood, a large one at that, that may have destroyed their world. In reality very little of the actual world was flooded.

Another thing that I mentioned before but few people have acknowledged is the fact that Jesus was perhaps one of the most communist people to have walked the globe. Christianity is really a communist religion. And I am talking Marxist communism.

[Oreo_bro]

read my post danget.



and no jews now may be "white", but if jesus lived in Jerusulm then he could have been darker skined

[gerundio]

and no jews now may be "white", but if jesus lived in Jerusulm then he could have been darker skined

Huh? Jewish people have changed skin color? What the f*ck are you talking about?

If anything Jews back then look exactly as they do today.

[Oreo_bro]

Huh? Jewish people have changed skin color? What the f*ck are you talking about?

If anything Jews back then look exactly as they do today.

Where is Jeruslim?

In the middle east.

Is it hot there?

Yes.

Are people there more or less darker skinned, carmel color?

Yes


What says that that the climate was different then then it is now? The people of Jeresulim, and the middle east for the matter, spent a lot of time outdoors, since thats where they worked in the sun, its sensible to think that jesus would have been a darker color then just white.

Oh and one more thing, A lot of "jewish people" live in america now, jewish people marrying people of different color, aka white or black, the result is still a jewish baby, but the colors vary, a lot of the time white *my jewish buddy is white lol*.

So yeah

[gerundio]

Where is Jeruslim?

In the middle east.

Is it hot there?

Yes.

Are people there more or less darker skinned, carmel color?

Yes


What says that that the climate was different then then it is now? The people of Jeresulim, and the middle east for the matter, spent a lot of time outdoors, since thats where they worked in the sun, its sensible to think that jesus would have been a darker color then just white.

Oh and one more thing, A lot of "jewish people" live in america now, jewish people marrying people of different color, aka white or black, the result is still a jewish baby, but the colors vary, a lot of the time white *my jewish buddy is white lol*.

So yeah

Human skin doesn't evolve over 2,000 years. So what you are talking about is tan. Thus, Jews today look like they did 2,000 years ago. If you haven't noticed most Jews only marry other Jewish people.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[sikdragon]

Why are we putting color labels on everything? Jews should have their own color. They are closer to white than arabic, thus, the basis of my claim. Anyways this has nothing to do with the topic, which none of you seem to get.

In the koran and other pagan bibles it talks of Jesus being just a good man and not God incarnate. He cannot be just a good man because of his claims and all the people who died in his name under the pretense of his supernatural existence.