Koran, The word of God..... what do you think? Options

[sikdragon]

Contradictions in the Koran-

According to the Muslims the Koran contains the words of God. Koran is to be read as if God Himself had spoken these words stated in it. It is important to emphasize this point because if Koran is the word of God then it should not contain any errors and it should hold true for all times. However, such is not the case.

First, we will see how some of the verses in the Koran itself show clearly that these words were obviously spoken by Mohammed and Not God.

The Opening Sura Fatihah:
(Koran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,
The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the
compassionate, the ruler of the day of
the day of judgement! Thee we serve and Thee
we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,
the path of those Thou art gracious to;
not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of
those who err.

Someone need not be a rocket-scientist to comprehend that these words are clearly addressed to God, in the form of a prayer. They are Mohammed's words of parise to God, asking for God's help and guidance. Some Muslim compilers conveniently add the imperative "say" in the English translation of the Koran at the beginning of the sura to remove this difficulty. This imperative form of the word "say" occurs at least 350 times in the Koran, and its obvious that this word has, in fact, been inserted by later compilers of the Koran to remove countless similarly embarassing difficulties. Thus, we have direct evidence that the Koran starts out with the words of Mohammed.

(Koran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.

One can clearly see, its Mohammed and NOT GOD HIMSELF who is seeking refuge in God.

(Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

In this verse the speaker of the line "I am not to watch over your doings"- is clearly Mohammed. In fact Dawood in his translation adds a footnote that the "I" refers to Mohammed here.

(Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

Again, the speaker here is clearly Mohammed who is trying to justify killing of innocent Meccans who were not willing to follow Mohammed's version of God. Dawood and Pickthall both interpolate "say" at the beginning of the sentence which is lacking in the original Arabic version of the sura.

(Koran 81:15)
So veriy I call To witness the planets that recede...


Again, here it is Mohammed and NOT God who is swearing by the turning planets.

(Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night,
and by the moon when she is at the full.

Once again it is Mohammed and NOT God. He is unable to disguise his pagan heritage. He swears again in the name of the Sun and Moon, both of which were considered as holy deities by pre-Islamic Arabs.

(Koran 6:114)
Should I seek other judge than God, when
it is He who has sent down to you, the
distinguishing book (Koran)?

Any sane person can comprehend that those words are not spoken by God but Mohammed himself. Yusuf Ali in his translation adds at the beginning of the sentence "say", which is not there in the original Arabic and he does so without comment or footnote.

Having established that Koran actually contains the words of Mohammed I shall now show various other contradictions which are present in the Koran.

Numerical Contradictions:


There are many numerical contradictions in the Koran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations, however Mohammed, as you will see, being an illiterate was very capable of making such errors.

How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?
(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX days...

(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days...

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. But the verses stated below contradict the above verses and imply that it took God 8 days to create the heaven and the earth. Read carefully and add up the numbers.

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

Do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2(for heavens) = 8 NOT 6

This implies that Mohammed did not know how to add integers.

Contradictions In the Inheritance Law
(Koran 4:11)
Allah directs you as regards your children's
(Inheritance): to the male a portion equal to
that of two females: if only daughters, two or
more, Their share is two-thirds of the inheritance;
if only one, her, share is a half.
For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to
each, if the deceased left children; if no
children, and the parents are the heirs, the
mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers
the mother has a sixth...

(Koran 4:12)
In what your wives leave, your share is a half,
if they leave no child; but if they leave a child,
ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and
debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth,
If ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they
get an eighth; after payment.

(Koran 4:176)
...If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister
but no child, she shall have half the inheritance:
If a woman dies and leaves no child, her brother
takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters,
they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance.
If there are brothers and sisters, the male takes
twice the share of the female.

Let us suppose that a man dies and leaves behind three daughters, two parents and his wife. According to the verses stated above the three daughters together will receive 2/3 of the share, the parents will receive 1/3 of the share and the wife will receive 1/8 of the share.

Do the math once again: 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 = 1.125. The distribution of the property adds up to more than the available property! How can this distribution be possible? Once again Mohammed displays his inability to add. Well, if a person can't add integers then it is unprobable that he would know how to add fractions.

Another example: A man dies and leaves behind his mother, his wife and two sisters. According to what Mohammed has stated in Koran 4:11-12 and 4:176 the mother will receive 1/3 of the property, the wife will receive 1/4 of the property and the sisters will receive 2/3 of the property.

Let us add up the fractions again: 1/3 + 2/3 + 1/4 = 5/4 = 1.25 and once again it adds up to more than the available property.

Allah's Day Equals 1,000 Years or 50,000 Years?
(Koran 22:47)
...A day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

(Koran 32:5)
...To Him, on a Day, The space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning.

In the above verses it states clearly that a day of Allah is equal to a 1000 earth years. However, there is a contradiction in the verse stated below.

(Koran 70:4)
The angels and the Spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

How Many Gardens Of Paradise?
(Koran 39:73)
And those who feared their Lord will be led to THE Garden...

(Koran 41:30)
...But receive the glad tidings of THE Garden that which ye were promised!

(Koran 57:21)
Be ye foremost in seeking forgiveness from your Lord, and A Garden...

(Koran 79:41)
Their abode will be THE Garden.

In the above verses Mohammed refers to only ONE Garden of Paradise, but in the verses below he contradicts himself once again by saying that there are MANY Gardens of paradise.

(Koran 18:31)
For them will be GARDENS of Eternity...

(Koran 22:23)
Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds.
To GARDENS beneath which rivers flow...

(Koran 35:33)
GARDENS of Eternity will they Enter...

(Koran 78:32)
GARDENS enclosed, and Grapevines;

It looks like Mohammed could not make up his mind about the number of Gardens of Eternity in heaven.

How Many Groups Of People During The Last Judgement?
(Koran 56:7)
And ye shall be sorted out into THREE classes.

The contradictory verses:
(Koran 90:18-19)
Such are the Companions of the right hand.
But those who reject our signs, they are
the companions of the left hand.

(Koran 99:6-8)
On the Day will men Proceed in companies sorted
out, to be shown the deeds that they had done.
Then shall anyone has done an ounce of good,
see it! And anyone who Has done an ounce of evil,
shall see it.

At first, Mohammed says that during the Last Judgement people will be divided into 3 groups. But in the later verses he seems to have changed his mind to 2 groups -- the group that has done evil and the group that has done good.

Who Takes The Souls After Death?
Sometimes Mohammed states that THE Angel of Death takes the souls after death and at another he says that there are ANGELS who take the souls at the time of death and at yet another time Mohammed states that it is in fact Allah who takes the souls. The relevant verses are listed below.

(Koran 32:11)
THE ANGEL of death, put in charge of you will take your souls then shall ye be brought back to your Lord.

(Koran 47:27)
But how will it be when the ANGELS take their souls at death, and smite their faces and their backs?

(Koran 39:42)
It is Allah that takes the souls of men at death; and those that die not He takes during their sleep...

During The Birth Of Jesus How Many Angels Spoke To Mary?
According to the Koran how many angels spoke to the virgin Mary at the time of the announciation of Jesus's birth? Well, Mohammed was no too sure about this, so he said that there were several angels in one verse and in the other he states that there was only one.

(Koran 3:42)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee...

(Koran 3:45)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O! Mary! Allah giveth thee...

(Koran 19:17)
...Then We sent to her (Mary) Our ANGEL...

Aside from the one angel Vs. many angels contradiction you will notice that Mohammed mostly refers to Allah as a singular entity throughout the Koran. However, he is not consistent with this as we see in the above verse where Mohammed says WE not I. Clearly he refers to Allah as a plural entity in this verse. There are many other such verses in the Koran (Refer to verses 21:43-51 and other such verses which I have written below). God cannot make such a glaring mistake and therefore, it must be Mohammed who is stating these verses in the Koran.

The "We" in this case refers to the pagan Gods of pre-Islamic Arabia. Mohammed took a lot from the scriptures of the Pagans, Jewish, Christian and Vedic faiths and insidiously distorted their meanings to suit his devilish needs.

Infinite Loop Problem
Now I will show that if we hold the following verses to be true then they will lead us to an infinite loop and eventually making the same verses invalid.

(Koran 26:192-196)
Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the
worlds: with it came down the Spirit of Faith and
Truth to thy heart and mind...in the prespicuous
Arabic tongue, without doubt it is announced in the
writings of revealed Books of former peoples.


In this sura, we find that Koran is announced in the earlier writings. First point to note here is that none of the earlier revelations were in Arabic. For example, the earlier writings were Torah and Injil written in Hebrew and Greek.

Two contradictions arise immediately:


How can an Arabic Koran be contained in books of other languages?


For verses (26:192-196) to be true, an earlier revelation X (for example) has to include those very verses (26:192-196) since the Koran is properly contained in all earlier revelations. Now, having those verses in the revelation X means that X itself has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Y. Applying the same logic, Y has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Z and so on. We find ourselves in an infinte loop which proves the absurdity of the verses (26:192-196)

Scientific Contradictions

The Koran teaches us that there are seven heavens one above the other and that the stars are in the lower heaven, but the moon is in the midst of the seven heavens.

However, in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

(Koran 67:3-5)
He Who created the seven heavens, one above the
other...And WE have adorned the lowest heaven with
lamps ...

(Koran 71:15-16)
Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens
one above the other, and made the moon a light in their
midst,and made the sun as a lamp?

(Koran 71:41:12)
And He completed the seven heavens in two
days and inspired in each heaven its command;
and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps,
and rendered it guarded...

Firstly, the Koran states that there are seven heavens in universe. Any sane person who has studied a bit of Modern Astronomy can tell that the conception of seven heavens was nothing but a result of Mohammed's absurd imagination. Muslim compliers try to cover up this serious flaw in the Koran by saying that the expression should be considered poetic rather than scientific.

Secondly, Koran claims that the stars are in a lower or even lowest heaven, while the moon is in a middle heaven. Even a child in primary standard knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon.

Solomon listens to ants
The Koran talks about an incident where Somolom listens to ants while they are "talking".

(Koran 27:18-19)
At length, when they came to a valley of ants, one of
the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations,
lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot)
without knowing it."

So he smiled amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which Thou has bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace to the ranks of Thy Righteous Servants."

This in deed is a new discovery by Mohammed about ants which directly contradicts the scientific fact that ants communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any sound.

The Embryonic Development
Koran clearly states that human beings are formed from a clot of blood

(Koran 23:14)
Then WE made the sperm into a clot of congealed
blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;
then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the
bones with flesh

This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It ignores to mention the female egg (the second and equally important half) and the process of fertilization when egg and sperm unite to form one new cell.

It mentions the obvious (the sperm), the visible, that which all mankind knew for a long time which is necessary to create a human. But the Koran does NOT mention the invisible (the female egg), which we know only through modern medicine.

Sun-set and Sun-Rise
Koran also teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring.

(Koran 18:86)
Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain]
reached the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring...


(Koran 18:90)
Till, when he reached the rising-place of the
sun, he found it rising on a people for whom
WE had appointed no shelter from it.


Firstly, It is scientifically proven that the sun does not go down in a muddy spring.

Secondly, this seems to presuppose a flat earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? It does not say, he went as far as possible on land in these directions and then observed the sun-rise or sun-set while standing at this shore. A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting "far away". It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the sun sets and in his second journey the place where it rises.

Why Stars Were Created
Koran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils.

(Koran 67:5)
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest
heaven with lamps, and we have made such
(Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans...


(Koran 37:6-8)
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with
beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for
guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the
direction of the Exalted Assembly but be
cast away from every side.


Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find Mohammed getting high on his weird imagination.

Sun And Moon Are Subject To Humans?
Koran also reveals the truth that sun and moon are subject to humans.

(Koran 37:6-8)
And He has made subject to you the sun and the moon,
both diligently persuing their courses; and the
night and the day has He (also) made subject to you.


Unfortunately, a human can never bring the sun and the moon subject to himself/herself. They always take their turn and pursue their courses whether they want or not. Sun, moon, day or night are not influenced by anyone's personal wish.

Why Mountains Were Created
Koran clearly explains that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth does not shake when earthquakes take place.

(Koran 21:31)
And We have set on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them

(Koran 16:15)
And He has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..

(Koran 31:10)
He has created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..

Its very obvious that Mohammed was completely ignorant about the geological reasoning for existance of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge and heavy. So a good way to explain their existence is to say that mountains prevent earthquakes.

Firstly, this particular reason for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern Geology. Geology proves to us that movement of tectonic plates or earthquake itself cause mountains to be formed.

Secondly, if mountains are created to stop the earth from shaking why several dozens of earthquakes happen every year ?

Moon Has Its Own Light?
Koran reveals to us that moon has its own light!

(Koran 10:5)
It is He who made the sun to be a shining glory and
the moon to be a light...

Evreryone in the modern world knows that moon does not have any light of its own.

Everything is Created in Pairs?
The following verse tells us that Allah created everything in pairs. For example, sex in plants and animals, day and night, forces of attraction and repulsion, etc.

(Koran 51:49)
And of every thing WE have created pairs:
that ye may receive instruction.

However, Mohammed in his simplistic observation of the world did not notice that there are some things in this world which are not in pairs. For example, bacteria, fungi imperfecti, etc. are members of the Monera Kingdom and reproduce asexually only! The European population of Elodea consists of plants of the same sex as well and therefore they also reproduce through asexual means.

Another example of things not in pairs is the gravitational force. The gravitational force is an attractive force. It does not have a counterpart. There is no such thing as repelling gravity.

Historical Contradictions

Moses And The Samaritan
The Koran tells us that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at Mt. Horeb was molded by a Samaritan. This is stated in the verses (20:85-87, 95-97).

(Koran 20:85)
We have tested the people in thy absence: The
Samaritan has led them astray.

(Koran 20:87)
...Of the whole people, and we threw them into the
fire and that was what the Samaritan suggested.

The word "Samaritan" was not coined until 722 B.C.--several years after the events recorded in the Exodus. This implies that the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses and were not the ones who molded the calf.

Some Muslims go out of their way in trying to explain this. They say that the actual word here is "Samiri" or "Shomer". However, they should not deviate from the original Arabic which clearly spells out the word "Samaritan".

Obviously, Mohammed had no knowledge of History or when all the events took place, so he jumbled up everything.

Gospel Existed During The Time Of Moses?
(Koran 7:157)
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered
Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(Scriptures),- in the Taurant and the Gospel...

Notice that the above verse is in present tense and thus the obvious problem is that the Gospel was not yet revealed at that time!

Haman - A minister of the Pharoah?
(Koran 28:8)
...For Pharaoh and Haman and all their hosts were Men of sin.

(Koran 28:38)
...therefore, O haman! light me a klin to bake bricks
out of clay, and build me a loftly palace...

Here the Koran clearly implies that Haman and the Pharaoh existed at the same time and place. But History tells us otherwise. The Pharaoh lived during the time of Moses and Haman served as a minister of Ahasuerus (Xerxes I). The Koranic verse in this case contains not only an error in location, but also an error of time as well (1,000 years).

Once again the Koran proves to us that either Mohammed had no real knowledge of History or he chose to distort it to suit his evil needs.

Other Contradictions:



Creation Of The Heaven And The Earth
Another contradiction in the Koran is about the creation of Heaven and Earth. Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below Mohammed at one time says that earth was created first and at another time he says that the Heaven was created first.

(Koran 2:29)
It is He who hath created for you all things that
are on earth; THEN he turned to the heaven and
made them into seven firmaments...

(Koran 79:27-30)
What! Are ye the more difficult to create of
heaven (above)? (Allah) hath constructed it...
and after that he extended (created) the earth
to a wide expanse.


Heaven And Earth Came Together Or Ripped Apart?
The next contradiction is about the coming together of heaven and earth Vs. ripping apart from each other.

(Koran 41:11)
...He said to the sky and to the earth: "Come
ye together willingly or unwillingly." They said:
"We do come together in willing obedience."


(Koran 21:30)
Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and
the earth were joined together before WE clove
them asunder...

How Was Man Created?
Was man created from a blood clot as the verse below states?

(Koran 96:2)
Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood.


Or was man created from water as Mohammed has stated in the verses below?

(Koran 21:30)
...WE made EVERY (including man) living thing
from water...

(Koran 25:54)
It is He who has created man from water...

Or was man created from "sounding" clay?

(Koran 15:26)
He created man from sounding clay, from mud
moulded into shape...

Or was man created from dust?

(Koran 3:59)
...He created him from dust, then said to him
Be and he was.

(Koran 30:20)
Among His signs is this that he created you from
dust; and then- Behold, ye are men scattered
far and wide!

Or was man created from nothing?

(Koran 19:67)
But does not man call to mind that WE created
him before out of nothing.

Or was man actually created from earth?

(Koran 11:61)
...Ye have no other god but him. It is he who
hath created you from the earth and settled you
therein..

Or was it a drop of sperm that created man?

(Koran 16:4)
He has created man from a sperm-drop...

Can Angels Disobey God?
One verse states that this is not possible and in another we have clear proof of an angel disobeying God.

(Koran 16:49-50)
...None of the angels are arrogant before their
Lord...and they do all that they are commanded.

(Koran 2:34)
...WE said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam"
and they bowed down: Not so Iblis: he refused
and was haughty: he was of those who reject
faith.

So, Iblis being an angel disobeyed God and this directly contradicts the verses 16:49-50 stated above.

How Was The Koran Revealed?
Who brought the revelation from Allah to Mohammed? One verse in Koran says that it was Gabriel, then in another we find that it was the 'Holy Spirit'.

(Koran 2:97)
Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel- for he brings down
the revelation to thy heart....

(Koran 16:102)
The Holy Spirit has the brought the revelation from
thy Lord...

It is obvious that Mohammed forgot to cross check his revelations.

Confirmation Or Substitution Of Relevations?
Does the new revelation that was brought to Mohammed confirm the old revelations?

(Koran 2:97)
Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel- for he brings down
the revelation to thy heart By Allah's will, a
CONFIRMATION of what went before ?

Or does the new revelation that was brought to Mohammed substitute the old revelations?

(Koran 16:101)
When WE SUBSTITUTE one revealation for another....

It appears, Mohammed could not make up his mind whether he should please people of other religions (Christianity/Judaism) by saying that Koran confirms other holy books or he should take pride in saying that Koran substitutes other earlier revelations.

Was Noah's Son Saved?
(Koran 21:76)
Noah, when he cried to US, aforetime: We listened
to his paryer and delivered him and his family
from great distress.


But the another verse says that Noah's son drowned.

(Koran 11:42-43)
...And the waves came between them, and the son was
among those overwhelmed in the Flood.

Will Christians enter Paradise?
In one verse, Mohammed says that the Christians will enter Paradise.

(Koran 2:62)
Those who believe in the Quran...and the
christians...shall have their reward with their
Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor they shall
grieve.

But in other verses Mohammed happily denies what he said in the previous verse.

The contradictory verses are :
(Koran 5:72)
They do blasphame who say:"Allah is Christ the son
of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel!
Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord". Whoever Joins
other gods with Allah-Allah will forbid him
the GRADEN and the Fire will be his abode.

(Koran 3:85)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam,
never will it be accepted of him; and in the
Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have
lost all spiritual good.

Is Wine Good Or Bad?
In one sura we find that wine is Satan's handiwork.

(Koran 5:90)
...Intoxiacants (wine) and gambling...are of Satan's
handiwork...

But then in other suras Koran says there are rivers of wine in Paradise.

(Koran 47:15)
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous
are promised. In it are...rivers of wine...

My question is : how did Satan manage to introduce his handiwork in Paradise?

Jesus Was Born Under A Palm Tree?
(Koran 19:23)
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk
of a palm tree: She (Mary) cried (in her anguish):
"Ah! would that I had died before this..."

So, the Koran claims that Jesus was under a palm tree which is in clear contradiction with numerous other scriptures of that time.

Is Homosexuality Allowed In Islam?
The Koran contradicts itself on this topic as well. The following verses state that homosexuality is forbidden.

(Koran 4:16)
If two men among you is guilty of lewdness, punish
them both...

(Koran 27:55)
Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather
than Women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!

Now the verses below are in clear contradiction of the above verses.

(Koran 52:24)
Round about them will serve, to them, boys
(handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

(Koran 56:17)
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness.

(Koran 76:19)
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think
them scattered pearls.

Mohammed could not make up his mind about Sodomy. He prohibits it on earth, but then he says that Muslims can enjoy homosexuality in Paradise. It is a well established fact that many famous Muslims were practicing homosexuals who looked towards the Koran to justify their actions. For example, Babar, the moghul king was madly in love with a young boy named Baburi. Kuttubuddin Aibak, another Muslim ruler of India used to dress up as a woman and dance in a vulgar manner.

Another example is Abu Nuwas--one of the greatest poets in Arabic language writes in the Perfumed Garden:

O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate.

-A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt
not like your whore who has to go veiled.

Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best
to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils.

There are other such poems by Abu Nuwas and others which are more graphic in glorifying homosexuality and lesbianism.

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zZz okay I read some of it...

I guess you make a good point. But we shouldn't really critisize the Koran (or the Bible or anything else) for all those "modern-age mistakes". I'm always confused in Revelations, for example, because of the "144,000 that will be saved (Revelations 7)" and even the names of the tribes, all of which are Hebrew. Certaintly there are more than that in these days, and not just Jews!

Also, for the contradiction between the "word of man" versus the "word of God", the Bible also contains text that contains true human writing. I'll check up examples later on

However, when it comes to morals, the Bible wins. The Koran may not be as extreme as the terrorists, but it is the writing it contains that causes those actions.

Mohammed was not an educated man. That may explain the math...

And again, overall, the Koran does not convince me of its authenticity

[sikdragon]

the 144,000 aren't the only ones that will be saved, contrary to the belief of jehova's witnesses. Those are just those that will be sealed in the great tribulation which will be spared from harm, do you know anyone that can be traced back to Joseph? The United States is a melting pot and for all we know, we could all be children of Israel atleast a very minute amount of potency in our blood. The Bible has no contradictions.

Modern-age mistakes???

[ryfitaDF]

well i think god doesn't exist so, in turn, he cannot speak. if you cannot speak you have no words. in conclusion: it is my opinion that the koran is not the words of god.

[raw_material]

The Bible is the word of God..nuff said!

"REad his journal / His diary/ For everybody/The Holy Bible/ The only vital/ visible source of survival"--cruz c

[Spirited Away]

The Bible is the word of God..nuff said!

So are you guys saying that the Bible is more accurate than the Koran/Quran?

[raw_material]

So are you guys saying that the Bible is more accurate than the Koran/Quran?

im saying the bible is 100% tru!...find me one error or mistake...

[sikdragon]

Someone asked me to point out the so called contradictions in the koran so i did.

with that statement, Im not saying it is more accurate than the Bible, im asking you to decide for yourself.

The bible however has no contradictions within itself

[Spirited Away]

im saying the bible is 100% tru!...find me one error or mistake...

I've been told that stuff about earth and four corners are metaphors... right?

If they're metaphors, then metaphorically, what are they alluding to or comparing to?

And the following site shows some errors:

contradictions

[karrar]

i needa eat but yea ill take some time to atleast debunk part of what your talking about. ( dont worry ill fully correct you later ) also im not trying to offend you but ,seriously i suggest you read before you copy and paste most of the trash you put here, caz most of it contradicted it self or is nowhere to be found in the quron. im pretty sure about that becuase i memerised the quron and have not stoped reading a part every day since i was 10

[qoute]The Opening Sura Fatihah:
(Koran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,
The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the
compassionate, the ruler of the day of
the day of judgement! Thee we serve and Thee
we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,
the path of those Thou art gracious to;
not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of
those who err.

Someone need not be a rocket-scientist to comprehend that these words are clearly addressed to God, in the form of a prayer. They are Mohammed's words of parise to God, asking for God's help and guidance. Some Muslim compilers conveniently add the imperative "say" in the English translation of the Koran at the beginning of the sura to remove this difficulty. This imperative form of the word "say" occurs at least 350 times in the Koran, and its obvious that this word has, in fact, been inserted by later compilers of the Koran to remove countless similarly embarassing difficulties. Thus, we have direct evidence that the Koran starts out with the words of Mohammed.



[/QUOTE]



if you knew anything about islam you'd know that one sura is read every time in all rak3a's of all prayers so yes it is "cleary adressed to god in the form of the prayer" every muslim who prays 5 times a day says this sura in there prayer( DUH ) the world " qul" or say was not inserted by later muslims once again if you reserached a little more youd know that the quran was revealed to mohammed{pbuh} by jabreel ( gabriel ) he would tell mohammed allahs direct words ( say/state as in "qul howa allu ahed " state there is one god "


[QUOTE]Koran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.

One can clearly see, its Mohammed and NOT GOD HIMSELF who is seeking refuge in God.

[/QUOTE]

wow who taught you how to research, thers a diffrence between quron and hadith yea put that on your new words list ( hadith - statements made by mohmamed { peace be apon him } .

(Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.

[/QUOTE]

once again hadith ( statements made ) and you missed in that statement to "open your eyes to the truth" add that to you little perenthesis in your second paragragh

[QUOTE]
(Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will

Again, the speaker here is clearly Mohammed who is trying to justify killing of innocent Meccans who were not willing to follow Mohammed's version of God. Dawood and Pickthall both interpolate "say" at the beginning of the sentence which is lacking in the original Arabic version of the sura.

[/QUOTE]

if you where paying attention in history class in seventh grade you'd know that muslims did not kill christians or jews they believed since there god was one ( allah is the arabic name for god not soemthing else )they should be treated equally. ALSO your statement at the bottem is wrong becuase "dawood" is the arabic translation for david who if you just happend to forget.did not exist at that time once again incorrect ...

[QUOTE]

(Koran 81:15)
So veriy I call To witness the planets that recede...


Again, here it is Mohammed and NOT God who is swearing by the turning planets.
[/QUOTE]

you got this one incorrect rite of the bat........ becuase the verse of the hadith is "i swear to he who receds the planets"...........

[QUOTE]



(Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night,
and by the moon when she is at the full.

Once again it is Mohammed and NOT God. He is unable to disguise his pagan heritage. He swears again in the name of the Sun and Moon, both of which were considered as holy deities by pre-Islamic Arabs. [/QUOTE]

incorrect that would be hadith the correct line "i swear by the sun and moons creator that you will find peace through islam"
[QUOTE]


(Koran 6:114)
Should I seek other judge than God, when
it is He who has sent down to you, the
distinguishing book (Koran)?

Any sane person can comprehend that those words are not spoken by God but Mohammed himself. Yusuf Ali in his translation adds at the beginning of the sentence "say", which is not there in the original Arabic and he does so without comment or footnote.


[/QUOTE]

the correct hadith in that is " one can not judge a muslim for his act, the sender of the book is the only one who will judge you ( i couldnt exactly translate that from arabic to english correctly but i think i got the point across)


ok im late for dinner i gotta go eat ill finish later my bad for the bad typing and junk but yea ......once again no harsh feelings but seriosuly read what you post first and research other sources not going to the first down down islam site and copy and pasting absoloutly everything........ahh cant do qoutes not a net guy but yea ..........bbl

[raw_material]

I've been told that stuff about earth and four corners are metaphors... right?

If they're metaphors, then metaphorically, what are they alluding to or comparing to?

And the following site shows some errors:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...radictions.html

youve been told ha lol so u believe word of mouth lol...so theres thing you believe in life bcuz of word of mouth( some1 told u) if you hear the radio and they say we got a sale 50% off you go 2 the store just bcuz u heared they had a sale right? u go withouth knowing the rest of the details u go cuz u heared(just an example).. the metaphors do represent something thats why you have 2 read the verses over and over to understand what god is trying 2 tell us...nice link it took me 2 a search engine...i could easily make a site about errors about the bible and pple would believe it thats easy....i said you!! point some erros on the bible..not some lame sites..word is bond...1

[Spirited Away]

youve been told ha lol so u believe word of mouth lol...so theres thing you believe in life bcuz of word of mouth( some1 told u)

Are you crazy? It was sikdragon that told me those words were metaphors!!! OMG. If they aren't metaphors, then the effing world is squared and flat!!!! Do you know what metaphor means?

if you hear the radio and they say we got a sale 50% off you go 2 the store just bcuz u heared they had a sale right? u go withouth knowing the rest of the details u go cuz u heared(just an example).. the metaphors do represent something thats why you have 2 read the verses over and over to understand what god is trying 2 tell us...nice link it took me 2 a search engine...i could easily make a site about errors about the bible and pple would believe it thats easy....i said you!! point some erros on the bible..not some lame sites..word is bond...1

And PLEASE do NOT ever lecture me about what I should and shouldn't believe in. I wll believe in word of mouth if the statement is LOGICAL and BELIEVABLE. It is ignorant to assume someone is lying just because you don't believe in word of mouth. You can doubt people if you want to, I will believe so long as what's being said makes sense. I will find the truth on my own, but I will not just live life thinking everyone who says something is lying to me. Perhaps you think that I'm ignorant and so immature that I will believe EVERYTHING someone says, but I'm old enough, and mature enough to decipher somethings... so don't worry about me.

Link fixed.

If you can correct those errors, then feel free to do so. I was merely pointing out that you're quite wrong about there isn't any errors because many people found some. Even some Christians (older and have been Christian before you were born) question these things.

[raw_material]

Are you crazy? It was sikdragon that told me those words were metaphors!!! OMG. If they aren't metaphors, then the effing world is squared and flat!!!! Do you know what metaphor means?



And PLEASE do NOT ever lecture me about what I should and shouldn't believe in. I wll believe in word of mouth if the statement is LOGICAL and BELIEVABLE. It is ignorant to assume someone is lying just because you don't believe in word of mouth. You can doubt people if you want to, I will believe so long as what's being said makes sense. I will find the truth on my own, but I will not just live life thinking everyone who says something is lying to me. Perhaps you think that I'm ignorant and so immature that I will believe EVERYTHING someone says, but I'm old enough, and mature enough to decipher somethings... so don't worry about me.

Link fixed.

If you can correct those errors, then feel free to do so. I was merely pointing out that you're quite wrong about there isn't any errors because many people found some. Even some Christians (older and have been Christian before you were born) question these things.

i kno what a metaphor...but it looks like u took wat i wrote wrong...i never said they werent metaphors? all i was asking was if you believe wat u believe and not what other pple say depending on word of mouth...u took it the wrong way i was never trying 2 put u down or nothing chill with that i have no right 2 talk bad about u or nothing i was just asking ..if i did im sorry..

[raw_material]

Link fixed.

If you can correct those errors, then feel free to do so. I was merely pointing out that you're quite wrong about there isn't any errors because many people found some. Even some Christians (older and have been Christian before you were born) question these things.

on to the links...your kidding me...u belive what that sites says lol lol lol..im sorry but who ever wrote that has 2 be so freaking stupid lol....hes just writing verses taht have a totally different meaning 2 each other...they might "contratict" themselves...u have 2 read the hole chapter 2 understand wat it mean not one verse lol lol i wont even waste my time lol but if u want me 2 i will lol pz

[karrar]

on to the links...your kidding me...u belive what that sites says lol lol lol..im sorry but who ever wrote that has 2 be so freaking stupid lol....hes just writing verses taht have a totally different meaning 2 each other...they might "contratict" themselves...u have 2 read the hole chapter 2 understand wat it mean not one verse lol lol i wont even waste my time lol but if u want me 2 i will lol pz

well correct me if im wrong but isn't that exactly what silkdragon did?.......went on google typed contradictions in the koran and copyed andpasted the entire page that came up first.........and the worst thing about it is nothing he posted was correct............

[Spirited Away]

well correct me if im wrong but isn't that exactly what silkdragon did?.......went on google typed contradictions in the koran and copyed andpasted the entire page that came up first.........and the worst thing about it is nothing he posted was correct............

Thank you so much for pointing that out, I'm glad it was so obvious to you as it was to someone else... I mean, how can anyone even contrast my methods eventhough it was exactly used by the topic starter.

raw_material, yes I was quite offended by what you've said about believing by word of mouth, and still very much offended. Do you care to clear up what you've said? What does word of mouth has anything to do with what I said about Sik telling me that those verses are metaphors? Because that was word of mouth and I took his words for it.

From what I understood, you tried to say that they weren't metaphors when you INDIRECTLY hinted how gullible I am for believing what Sik was saying (word of mouth). Perhaps it was a misunderstanding, but I would need you to clarify... correct grammar would help.

on to the links...your kidding me...u belive what that sites says lol lol lol..im sorry but who ever wrote that has 2 be so freaking stupid lol....hes just writing verses taht have a totally different meaning 2 each other...they might "contratict" themselves...u have 2 read the hole chapter 2 understand wat it mean not one verse lol lol i wont even waste my time lol but if u want me 2 i will lol pz

If he's so stupid then I can say the same about those guys in the Church that condemned Gallileo. I mean they're SOOOO stupid to be taking metaphors seriously that their superb illogics RUINED the life of a great man. Instead of being caged in his home and shunned by society, he could've discover even more great things and helped to advance science... but nooooooooooo, he had to be "WRONG" because the Church took metaphors seriously. That wasn't too smart of the Church was it?

[xLil SweetnezZx]

I believe the correct spelling is Qur'an....juss sayin

[espionage]

"Lil sweetnezz" indeed. >_>

From the link,

Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

The second verse does not say anything about being foolish when one is sorrowful. Aren't you sad, when you hear about how corrupted society can be, and all those children starving, and all those unjustified crimes? How little we know, how history has repeated itself?

For the vote, I'm voting "misunderstood". I personally think Mohammad had a good purpose, but I doubt that a lot of the things he say are true.

[Spirited Away]

From the link,


The second verse does not say anything about being foolish when one is sorrowful. Aren't you sad, when you hear about how corrupted society can be, and all those children starving, and all those unjustified crimes? How little we know, how history has repeated itself?

I don't see your point:

Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

The comparision of the verses has NOT to do with sorrow, and the verses only says there is sorrow when one knows too much. However, this is not the point.

If you would read the question: "Is it folloy to be wise or not?", then you'd know that these verses are very confusing and seems contradicting. And I know that there are sufferings in the world... how many times do I have to repeat my shady past? I've been there, done that, k? No need to say how sad I am to "find out" the misfortunes of this world... I lived some of it.

So, is being wise a good or bad thing? Of course, you and I might disagree about what wisdom is and isn't... but aside from our disagreement, the question just basically points out what seems to be a contradiction, mkay?

Now then, what about everything else on the site? Not gonna ignore them are ya?

[espionage]

zZz too tired to do the entire thing...

[Spirited Away]

zZz too tired to do the entire thing...

I completely understand.

[inlonelinessidie]

First of all saying whether the Quran is the word of God is like saying if the Bible is the word of God. Everyone has their own views on this, so in the end it all ends up being your own personal decision of what you want or don't want to believe.

No one knows for sure. They might say they do, but in reality NO ONE knows.

[sikdragon]

karrar i resent that, i went to several down down islam websites, lol.

I never said i knew everything and i certainly not an expert on your religion. But if you believe in the Koran you must believe in everything it says. According to logic A cannot be NON-A so its either ALL true or it is ALL false. I read somewhere that Mohammed was under the influence of satanic possession and several curses while writing the Koran. He believed in omens and other pagan ideals. These writings had to have been removed, but are you sure all of them have been omitted from your copy?? you can't be, look how long ago the original was written.

How is Islam connected to Abraham?? I have read that Ishmael was concieved through an adulterous act. How can you have a religion based on sin??? doesnt make sense to me.

apparently you only have a problem with the translation, but there are still more contradictions on there to explain.

[raw_material]

raw_material, yes I was quite offended by what you've said about believing by word of mouth, and still very much offended. Do you care to clear up what you've said? What does word of mouth has anything to do with what I said about Sik telling me that those verses are metaphors? Because that was word of mouth and I took his words for it.

im sorry again 4 offending you i wasnt trying to do that so im real sorry...2nd i jumped into action withouht reading everything i didnt kno wat sik had told u i just read wat u wrote and i posted so my bad again ok..

[raw_material]

If he's so stupid then I can say the same about those guys in the Church that condemned Gallileo. I mean they're SOOOO stupid to be taking metaphors seriously that their superb illogics RUINED the life of a great man. Instead of being caged in his home and shunned by society, he could've discover even more great things and helped to advance science... but nooooooooooo, he had to be "WRONG" because the Church took metaphors seriously. That wasn't too smart of the Church was it?

can u explain the story of gaillileo..im not sure which gallileo ur talking about aight!

[Edele]

im saying the bible is 100% tru!...find me one error or mistake... 

Ooookay, how can you say something is true when most of the stories written in the bible were written hundreds even thousands of years later and finally written down from word of mouth? And if you mean it's true because it's fact. It's not fact. A lot of the stories told are used to relate moral stances and right or wrong.

But you have the right to believe what you want. I'm not going to lecture anyone. Simply because religion is faith. And faith is something you just believe and let guide you without question. I just hope you have faith, whatever it may be.

Ciao!

[tofumonzter]

use evidence to prove your points. dont poll.

[sikdragon]

no one has ever used the poll to prove a point. If you are that insecure in yourself that you have to assert your authority just to prove to yourself that you are in charge, so be it. Dont try to justify it by saying we dont know how to debate.

The Bible has no contradiction in it. Nothing inside of it can 100% be proven false.

[Spirited Away]

The Bible has no contradiction in it. Nothing inside of it can 100% be proven false.

Sure, what about those metaphors? Metaphors are NOT facts, and are NOT proven.

[sikdragon]

Did i say they were proven? metaphors are used to describe to the people the things that are.

[karrar]

karrar i resent that, i went to several down down islam websites, lol.

I never said i knew everything and i certainly not an expert on your religion. But if you believe in the Koran you must believe in everything it says. According to logic A cannot be NON-A so its either ALL true or it is ALL false. I read somewhere that Mohammed was under the influence of satanic possession and several curses while writing the Koran. He believed in omens and other pagan ideals. These writings had to have been removed, but are you sure all of them have been omitted from your copy?? you can't be, look how long ago the original was written.

How is Islam connected to Abraham?? I have read that Ishmael was concieved through an adulterous act. How can you have a religion based on sin??? doesnt make sense to me.

apparently you only have a problem with the translation, but there are still more contradictions on there to explain.

First of yes i do beleive in everything in the quran.... and no he was not under satanic posession while writing the koran( i have no idea where you got that from hit me up with some sources caz it looks liek you pulled that one rite out of your ass) he didn't even write the quran

ok so you want to know how islam is related to ibrahim(abraham ) muslims believe that when Abraham , the father of Isaac and Ishmael offered his son for sacrifice for GOD , he offered Ishmael.( ancestor of the arabs ) Jews and Christians believe that he offered Isaac.( ancestor of hebrews )if you wanna have a friendly debate on this thats ok ..anytime

and oh yea one last thing about the contradictions dont worry i almost have them done i ll have em all posted by either tonight or tomoro but i think that was a little unfair you had me do all that work when you did nothing but copied and pasted i challenge you to DEBUNK these " contradictons in the bible" remember im not saynig there contradictions just wanna see what you have to say about them

here ya go...yep i did liek you just got some sitte but go ahead show me the bibles authentacy ( remember im not saying its fake )


Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)


(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


  In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)


  How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a)  Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


  God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)


  How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?


(a)  Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)


  How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time

(a)  Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b)  Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)


  When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b)  Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

  How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

  When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?


(a)  One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)


   How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b)  Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)


  In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha,   King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)


  How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)



  Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)


Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab? 


(a)  Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)


  How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)


  How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)


  How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)


  How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)


  How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)



  Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)



  How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a)  Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

  What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)


  Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b)  No (Joshua 15:63)

  Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)


  Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)


  Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)


  Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.


  Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a)   Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b)  Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)


  Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a)   Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)


  How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b)  But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

  Who was the father of Shelah?


(a)  Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b)  Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)


  Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a)  Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b)  No(John 1:19-21)


  Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

  Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a)  One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b)  Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”

  How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?


(a)  By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b)  His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

  Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b)  On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:
43)

  When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?


(a)  Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”

(b)  No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

  Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?


(a)  Yes(Mark6:8)

(b)  No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)


  Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b)  No (Luke 9:9)

  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b)  No (John 1:32,33)


  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?


(a)   Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b)  No (Matthew 11:2)

  According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?


(a)   “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)

(b)  “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

  When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b)  No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).


  The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?


(a)   Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b)    No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)



  Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a)   Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b)  No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)



  What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a)   “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).

(b)  “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.


  Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a)   Yes (John 19:17)

(b)  No (Matthew 27:31-32)



  Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?


(a)   Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b)  No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)


  Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a)   No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)

(b)  Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

  Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?


(a)   On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b)  In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)



  The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a)   Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)


  Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?


(a)   Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b)  No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)


  When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a)  Yes(Acts9:7)


(b)  No(Acts22:9)

  When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)


  Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b)  No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

  When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?


(a)  Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b)  Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)


  How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a)  Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)


(b)  Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

  What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?


(a)  He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)


(b)  He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

  How did Judas die?


(a)  After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


(b)  After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)


  Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?


(a)  Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)


(b)  Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

  Who is a ransom for whom?


(a)  “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)


(b)  “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)


  Is the law of Moses useful?


(a)  Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)


(b)  No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)



  What was the exact wording on the cross?


(a)  “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)


(b)   “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)


©   “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)


(d)   “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

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can u explain the story of gaillileo..im not sure which gallileo ur talking about aight!

Gaillileo was a scientest who defied what was the scientific law with his theory of a heliocentric universe. he, however, had his life threatend by the king and had to withdraw his theorys to protect his life, inturn possibly setting the human race back a few years in knowledge of the universe around us.

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Did i say they were proven? metaphors are used to describe to the people the things that are.

So then metaphors are used to describe how the earth has four corners?

Gotcha.

I mean, if they're used to describe "things that are", then the earth is squared shaped.

Gaillileo was a scientest who defied what was the scientific law with his theory of a heliocentric universe. he, however, had his life threatend by the king and had to withdraw his theorys to protect his life, inturn possibly setting the human race back a few years in knowledge of the universe around us.

Thank you.

If you want to know more, here's a link to a biography, of sorts.

If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, here is an excerpt to explain why I bring him up in these debates:

Despite his private support for Copernicanism, Galileo tried to avoid controversy by not making public statements on the issue...

The Catholic Church's most important figure at this time in dealing with interpretations of the Holy Scripture was Cardinal Robert Bellarmine. He seems at this time to have seen little reason for the Church to be concerned regarding the Copernican theory. The point at issue was whether Copernicus had simply put forward a mathematical theory which enabled the calculation of the positions of the heavenly bodies to be made more simply or whether he was proposing a physical reality. At this time Bellarmine viewed the theory as an elegant mathematical one which did not threaten the established Christian belief regarding the structure of the universe...

Shortly after publication of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World - Ptolemaic and Copernican the Inquisition banned its sale and ordered Galileo to appear in Rome before them. Illness prevented him from travelling to Rome until 1633. Galileo's accusation at the trial which followed was that he had breached the conditions laid down by the Inquisition in 1616. However a different version of this decision was produced at the trial rather than the one Galileo had been given at the time. The truth of the Copernican theory was not an issue therefore; it was taken as a fact at the trial that this theory was false. This was logical, of course, since the judgement of 1616 had declared it totally false.

Found guilty, Galileo was condemned to lifelong imprisonment, but the sentence was carried out somewhat sympathetically and it amounted to house arrest rather than a prison sentence. He was able to live first with the Archbishop of Siena, then later to return to his home in Arcetri, near Florence, but had to spend the rest of his life watched over by officers from the Inquisition. In 1634 he suffered a severe blow when his daughter Virginia, Sister Maria Celeste, died. She had been a great support to her father through his illnesses and Galileo was shattered and could not work for many months. When he did manage to restart work, he began to write Discourses and mathematical demonstrations concerning the two new sciences...

It was a sad end for so great a man to die condemned of heresy. His will indicated that he wished to be buried beside his father in the family tomb in the Basilica of Santa Croce but his relatives feared, quite rightly, that this would provoke opposition from the Church. His body was concealed and only placed in a fine tomb in the church in 1737 by the civil authorities against the wishes of many in the Church. On 31 October 1992, 350 years after Galileo's death, Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church in which he admitted that errors had been made by the theological advisors in the case of Galileo. He declared the Galileo case closed, but he did not admit that the Church was wrong to convict Galileo on a charge of heresy because of his belief that the Earth rotates round the sun.

I ran into a couple of sites that blamed Aristotle, who believed the universe is finite and spherical with a stationary earth at its center, for the Church's condemnation of Galileo. However, that's kind of funny considering that the Bible supposed to have facts, not Aristole, so why isn't the Bible blamed but Aristole is taking the heat?

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"Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church"

thats funny u blame the church...theres more that one church...and more that one religion...im sure ur not attacking them all right...

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Ooookay, how can you say something is true when most of the stories written in the bible were written hundreds even thousands of years later and finally written down from word of mouth? And if you mean it's true because it's fact. It's not fact. A lot of the stories told are used to relate moral stances and right or wrong.

But you have the right to believe what you want. I'm not going to lecture anyone. Simply because religion is faith. And faith is something you just believe and let guide you without question. I just hope you have faith, whatever it may be.

Ciao!

how do u kno the stories in the bible where written thousands and hundreds years later...i guess u dont kno what word of mouth means from what your saying...and you say its not fact..how is that so prove it!... if you would read the bible you would kno that the "stories" have more in then ..then wat u think....unless you have the faith to say that there fake!...im sure revelations was written after it happend right...my bad it hasnt happend yet youll be surprised

believe i do got faith...one love one god one way...1

[Spirited Away]

"Pope John Paul II gave an address on behalf of the Catholic Church"

thats funny u blame the church...theres more that one church...and more that one religion...im sure ur not attacking them all right...

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There are churches and there's THE CHURCH... as in the official on in Vatican?

Yeash, Yeash. Do you think I'm an idiot?

What point are you trying to make?

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There are churches and there's THE CHURCH... as in the official on in Vatican?

Yeash, Yeash. Do you think I'm an idiot?

What point are you trying to make?

no no i dont think your an idiot as a matter of fact i think ur smart...but im just saying it seems like that statement is more foward the catholic side of the church back then it was the major religion...they where THE CHURCH ...but if your blaming it on the catholic side how can u blame it on the christian side?? either that or im just confused....1

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no no i dont think your an idiot as a matter of fact i think ur smart...but im just saying it seems like that statement is more foward the catholic side of the church back then it was the major religion...they where THE CHURCH ...but if your blaming it on the catholic side how can u blame it on the christian side?? either that or im just confused....1

Now I'm confused.

Are you saying that any Christian would not have acted like what the Catholic Church did?

What is the core belief in Christianity? Is it not in God, and that Jesus is the Son of God who was sent to die for the sins of man? Do Catholics not believe the same?

As for historical context, did Christians knew that Galileo was right and Catholics did not?

I don't understand why there would be a difference in what a Catholic or Christian would have done to Galileo in that era.

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Now I'm confused.

Are you saying that any Christian would not have acted like what the Catholic Church did?

What is the core belief in Christianity? Is it not in God, and that Jesus is the Son of God who was sent to die for the sins of man? Do Catholics not believe the same?

As for historical context, did Christians knew that Galileo was right and Catholics did not?

I don't understand why there would be a difference in what a Catholic or Christian would have done to Galileo in that era.

catholics do believe in god and that jesus is the son of god who was sent to die for them...they also believe that they should worship the virgen marie and many other saints...the christian i believe in i dont worship saints or any others just GOD ..he clearly says to not worship others saints or idols...the pope aint nothing 2 me...GOD is the one that rules supreme... big difference between catholics and chritians...half of my fam is catholic and other part are christians...they always try 2 put us down bcuz they kno we try not 2 sin but duh we are not perfect so every mistake we do they point it out.....so back then the CHURCH was the catholic church im sure christians would of not killed him...my bad back then christians where being killed and chased bcuz of there believes...isnt that the same decentent from the roman church..the same church that tried 2 kill jesus b4 he was born....big differences homie...1

[Spirited Away]

catholics do believe in god and that jesus is the son of god who was sent to die for them...they also believe that they should worship the virgen marie and many other saints...the christian i believe in i dont worship saints or any others just GOD ..he clearly says to not worship others saints or idols...the pope aint nothing 2 me...GOD is the one that rules supreme... big difference between catholics and chritians...half of my fam is catholic and other part are christians...they always try 2 put us down bcuz they kno we try not 2 sin but duh we are not perfect so every mistake we do they point it out.....so back then the CHURCH was the catholic church im sure christians would of not killed him...my bad back then christians where being killed and chased bcuz of there believes...isnt that the same decentent from the roman church..the same church that tried 2 kill jesus b4 he was born....big differences homie...1

Ah, so now you're saying that Catholics are to blame.

However, Christians DID not like Galileo either. As you can obviously conclude, the Church was the authority, but there is something called the Bible.

Before the Heliocentric model was accepted as general knowledge, the Bible supposedly held the "facts" of how the earth was formed. Knowledge from the Catholic Church AND Christians come from the Bible.

Now then, if Christians believed in the Bible, why would they not condemned Galileo as the Church did? How would you know if Christians did not ostracized Galileo? Do research before answering this question, else I will find historical texts to prove you wrong.

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Ah, so now you're saying that Catholics are to blame.

However, Christians DID not like Galileo either. As you can obviously conclude, the Church was the authority, but there is something called the Bible.

Before the Heliocentric model was accepted as general knowledge, the Bible supposedly held the "facts" of how the earth was formed. Knowledge from the Catholic Church AND Christians come from the Bible.

Now then, if Christians believed in the Bible, why would they not condemned Galileo as the Church did? How would you know if Christians did not ostracized Galileo? Do research before answering this question, else I will find historical texts to prove you wrong.

how bout u re read what i wrote and not make up things...i never blamed the catholics why would i do that...yea we both use the same bible...but catholics dont take it seriously....why do i say that bcuz its tru i have catholic friends and family and they dont really care about it....and how do u kno christians didnt like galileo? back then christians where fighting for there lives 2 survive just bcuz they believed something else so yea ...christians and catholics big difference how about you do your researh...why would christians condemned him did he kill any1? did he rape any1? no so then why would the christians condeme him? the very laws we use 2day come from christians principals if u didnt kno..God said u will be judged by your actions...i dont remember galileo killing any1..so why blame the christians if they werent the head of the church and there not...catholic church is big difference between a catholic and christian....last time i read you are blaming the chatholic church for the death of galileo you yourself said the CHURCH killed him....from what i read the church is catholic....1

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by the way i read what u wrote on the God topic...sorry about your injury playing volleyball i hope everything is better...i kno how it is i fractured my ankle playing basketball i just got off krutches last week i was using krutches for 6 weeks...well im out pz

[karrar]

I apologise silk i have not been able to spend alot of time on the internet this past week , so i could not finish responding to your false contradictions . I will go ahead and do some of them rite now since i am free for a while .
here we go

1.

There are many numerical contradictions in the Koran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations, however Mohammed, as you will see, being an illiterate was very capable of making such errors.

How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?
(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...

(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX days...

(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days...

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. But the verses stated below contradict the above verses and imply that it took God 8 days to create the heaven and the earth. Read carefully and add up the numbers.

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...

(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...

(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...

Do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2(for heavens) = 8 NOT 6

This implies that Mohammed did not know how to add integers.

In those Verses (7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59) you see that Allah( remember allah is just the arabic word for god nothing else) is clearly stating that he created the universe in six days.  the Verses (41:12) is describing the creation of the physical earth and the physical heavens around us.  If you count the two days in (41:9), the four days,in (41:10), and the two days mentioned in (41:12), we get a total of eight days. but my friend, the four days in (41:10) include the two days in (41:9), because the process it is described in (41:9-10) are from one series.  

2+4=6

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2.

Allah's Day Equals 1,000 Years or 50,000 Years?
(Koran 22:47)
...A day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

(Koran 32:5)
...To Him, on a Day, The space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning.

In the above verses it states clearly that a day of Allah is equal to a 1000 earth years. However, there is a contradiction in the verse stated below.

(Koran 70:4)
The angels and the Spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So,which is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

The first verse (22:47) above says one day according to Allah Almighty is worth 1000 years of ours. but, in the verse (32:5), it says that the journey from the time our souls moves to the time they arrive to their final destinations will take one thousand human years .  In the verses (70:4-5) Allah is referring to the day of judgment as a time period of 50 thousand years of ours.  The phrase "in a Day the measure (70:4)" refers to the Day of Judgment, where our judgment will take 50 thousand human years to finish before the very last person of mankind enters either heaven or hell.  The phrase "Day of Judgment" in Arabic doesn't mean one day.  It means many many days (50,000 years).

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How Many Gardens Of Paradise?
(Koran 39:73)
And those who feared their Lord will be led to THE Garden...

(Koran 41:30)
...But receive the glad tidings of THE Garden that which ye were promised!

(Koran 57:21)
Be ye foremost in seeking forgiveness from your Lord, and A Garden...

(Koran 79:41)
Their abode will be THE Garden.

In the above verses Mohammed refers to only ONE Garden of Paradise, but in the verses below he contradicts himself once again by saying that there are MANY Gardens of paradise.

(Koran 18:31)
For them will be GARDENS of Eternity...

(Koran 22:23)
Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds.
To GARDENS beneath which rivers flow...

(Koran 35:33)
GARDENS of Eternity will they Enter...

(Koran 78:32)
GARDENS enclosed, and Grapevines;

It looks like Mohammed could not make up his mind about the number of Gardens of Eternity in heaven.

In the verses you provided , you can see that the word "Garden" is used for Paradise.  The word "Garden" in those verses is "Jannah" in Arabic means Paradise....heaven .  We also see in Verses (18:31, 22:23, 35:33, and 78:32) the word "Gardens" is used for Paradise.  The word "Gardens" in those verses is written as "Jennat" in Arabic which is the plural for "Jannah".  
In the Arabic language, the singular and the plural for the word Paradise or Garden is the same thing.  Sometimes the word "Jannat" (Gardens) is used  by Allah to give a bigger picture for Paradise to the Muslims.  Also, according to the Quran, Heaven is made of different levels.  Not all humans who enter heaven will be on the same level.  Some will be at the highest level with the Prophets and the righteous people, and others will be at the lowest level where people who sinned a lot will be at.  The word "Jannah" (Garden) is used for putting all the levels of Heaven into one description which we call it Paradise. However, this big Paradise consists of several levels of Heavens or Gardens (Jannat).

It is also used in the english language " the lord of the heavens"(plural) .........or "we will all live in heaven peacefully"( singular ) get it ?


All for now , i have to finish some junk . i will post some more later ,and then finish it up tommoro . Also,it looks like you have wussied out of my challenge, you have yet to DEBUNK any of the " contradictions in the bible " that i posted earlier .........bbl

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First of yes i do beleive in everything in the quran.... and no he was not under satanic posession while writing the koran( i have no idea where you got that from hit me up with some sources caz it looks liek you pulled that one rite out of your ass) he didn't even write the quran

ok so you want to know how islam is related to ibrahim(abraham ) muslims believe that when Abraham , the father of Isaac and Ishmael  offered his son for sacrifice for GOD , he offered Ishmael.( ancestor of the arabs ) Jews and Christians believe that he offered Isaac.( ancestor of hebrews )if you wanna have a friendly debate on this thats ok ..anytime

and oh yea one last thing about the contradictions dont worry i almost have them done i ll have em all posted by either tonight or tomoro but i think that was a little unfair you had me do all that work when you did nothing but copied and pasted i challenge you to DEBUNK these " contradictons in the bible" remember im not saynig there contradictions just wanna see what you have to say about them

here ya go...yep i did liek you just got some  sitte but go ahead show me the bibles authentacy ( remember im not saying its fake )


Who incited David to count the fighting men of  Israel?


(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)


(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


  In that count how many fighting men were found  in Israel?


(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One  million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)


  How many fighting men were found in Judah?


(a)  Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b)  Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


  God sent his prophet to threaten David with  how many years of famine?


(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three  (I Chronicles 21:12)


  How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over  Jerusalem?


(a)  Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two  (2 Chronicles 22:2)


  How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of  Jerusalem?


(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  How long did he rule over Jerusalem?


(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b)  Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


  The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his  spear and killed how many men at one time

(a)  Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b)  Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)


  When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to  Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?


(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b)  Before  (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

  How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to  take into the Ark?


(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven  (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis  7:8-9)

  When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many  horsemen did he capture?


(a)  One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven  thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)


  How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?


(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b)  Four  thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)


  In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha,    King of Israel die?


(a) Twenty-sixth year  (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still  alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)


  How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of  building the temple?


(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three  thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)



  Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?


(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over  three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)


Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian  captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?


(a)  Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two  thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)


  How many were the children of Zattu?


(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight  hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)


  How many were the children of Azgad?


(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two  thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)


  How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six  hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)


  How many were the children of Hashum?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three  hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)


  How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?


(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One  hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)



  Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total  number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close.  The totals obtained from each book is as follows:


(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089  (Nehemiah)



  How many singers accompanied the assembly?


(a)  Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two  hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

  What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?


(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah,  daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was  Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)


  Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?


(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b)  No  (Joshua 15:63)

  Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?


(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell  (Luke 3:23)


  Jesus descended from which son of David?


(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)


  Who was the father of Shealtiel?


(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’  (Luke 3:27)


  Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus  Christ?


(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa  (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah,  iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19,  20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.


  Who was the father of Uzziah?


(a)  Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b)  Amaziah  (2 Chronicles 26:1)


  Who as the father of Jechoniah?


(a)  Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim  (I Chronicles 3:16)


  How many generations were there from the Babylonian  exile until Christ?


(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b)  But  a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

  Who was the father of Shelah?


(a)  Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b)  Arphaxad  (Genesis II: 12)


  Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?


(a)  Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b)  No(John  1:19-21)


  Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?


(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No,  since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And  Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s  throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

  Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?


(a)  One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they  brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b)  Two  - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their  garments on them and he sat thereon.”

  How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the  Christ?


(a)  By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b)  His  brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

  Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?


(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b)  On  the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John  1:
43)

  When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter  already dead?


(a)  Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter  has just died.”

(b)  No.  Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”

  Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their  journey?


(a)  Yes(Mark6:8)

(b)  No  (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)


  Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b)  No  (Luke 9:9)

  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his  baptism?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b)  No  (John 1:32,33)


  Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his  baptism?


(a)  Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b)  No  (Matthew 11:2)

  According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say  about bearing his own witness?


(a)  “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not  true” (John 5:3 1)

(b)  “Even  if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

  When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple  that same day?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b)  No.  He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing.  Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse  the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).


  The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the  tree wither at once?


(a)  Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b)    No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)



  Did Judas kiss Jesus?


(a)  Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b)  No.  Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)



  What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?


(a)  “The cock will not crow till you have denied me  three times” (John 13:38).

(b)  “Before  the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock  crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore  prediction (a) failed.


  Did Jesus bear his own cross?


(a)  Yes (John 19:17)

(b)  No  (Matthew 27:31-32)



  Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was  torn?


(a)  Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b)  No.  After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into  thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)


  Did Jesus say anything secretly?


(a)  No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John  18:20)

(b)  Yes.  “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he  explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to  them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the  kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

  Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of  the crucifixion?


(a)  On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b)  In  Pilate’s court (John 19:14)



  The gospels say that two thieves were crucified  along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?


(a)  Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No.  One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)


  Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the  crucifixion?


(a)  Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today  you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b)  No.  He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the  Father” (John 20:17)


  When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a  light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?


(a)  Yes(Acts9:7)


(b)  No(Acts22:9)

  When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did  his traveling companions also fall to the ground?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:14)


(b) No (Acts 9:7)


  Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s  duties were to be?


(a)  Yes (Acts 26:16-18)


(b)  No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of  Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

  When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed  adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died  in that plague?


(a)  Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)


(b)  Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)


  How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?


(a)  Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)


(b)  Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

  What did Judas do with the blood money he received for  betraying Jesus?


(a)  He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)


(b)  He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The  priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a  field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

  How did Judas die?


(a)  After he threw the money into the temple he went away and  hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)


(b)  After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed  he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)


  Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?


(a)  Because the priests bought it with the blood money  (Matthew 27:8)


(b)  Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

  Who is a ransom for whom?


(a)  “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom  for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all...  “(I Timothy 2:5-6)


(b)  “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the  faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)


  Is the law of Moses useful?


(a)  Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2  Timothy 3:16)


(b)  No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because  of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)



  What was the exact wording on the cross?


(a)  “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew  27:37)


(b)  “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)


©  “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke  23:38)


(d)  “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews”  (John 19:19)

You have to realize that some things are messed up on translation.

As for those contradictions, I bet you didn't actually look them up in a Bible. Some of them aren't exact quotations, that's why there are ...'s there (i think they're called ellipsis). Some contradictions aren't really contradicions at all. If you read the entire Bible, you'll realize they aren't contradictions, someone just stated a question and used passages from the Bible to answer.

Why not defend the Koran, instead of attacking the Bible?

[edit]i see you just have, sorry.

[karrar]

You have to realize that some things are messed up on translation.

As for those contradictions, I bet you didn't actually look them up in a Bible. Some of them aren't exact quotations, that's why there are ...'s there (i think they're called ellipsis). Some contradictions aren't really contradicions at all. If you read the entire Bible, you'll realize they aren't contradictions, someone just stated a question and used passages from the Bible to answer.

Why not defend the Koran, instead of attacking the Bible?

hmmm intresting i could go 2 ways with this

1. i could remind you that the one who started this topic attacked the qur'an in the first place ......... and all i did was prove him wrong and blast a jab back at him

or

2. i could apologise to all who where offended


ill go with 2 since i wasn't trying to attack or offend any one when i posted that .I thought i made it clear in the begining of tthe post ,( i guess not ) but ya still took it the wrong way. I just wanted to see what silk has to say about it .I apologise to those who where offended, but i'd still like to see someone response to atleast a few of them .

[Spirited Away]

how bout u re read what i wrote and not make up things...i never blamed the catholics why would i do that...yea we both use the same bible...but catholics dont take it seriously....

If my cousin were reading this, she'd whoop your ass (i.e lecture you to death) like she did me. How horrible of you to even think that Catholics do not take the Bible anymore seriously than Christians.

The more I re-read your comments as you suggested, the more I get the feeling that you do not like Catholics.

Anyway, to make this clearer so that you won't think I'm not reading you correctly, I'll mush everything together.

What I have been saying thus far is very simple:

Catholics go by the Bible as do Christians. Catholics, like any ordinary people from that era, know not about the shape of our world and believed it to be as the Bible metaphorically suggests: four corners and supported by pillars. Because no technology or science could have proved otherwise, its hardly anyone's fault, Catholic or not, to assume the Bible was refering to our world as to a square-shaped.

If it's anyone's/anything's fault, it is the Bible (not Catholics) for not making itself clear and factual, instead being filled with metaphors and vague discriptions. After all, you would not blame your student of doing the wrong homework problems if you never specify clearly which page the homework problems are on.

why do i say that bcuz its tru i have catholic friends and family and they dont really care about it....and how do u kno christians didnt like galileo? back then christians where fighting for there lives 2 survive just bcuz they believed something else so yea ...

Really??? HAHAHHAHAHAHAH.

They denounced both his method and its results as absurd and impious. As to his method, professors bred in the "safe science" favoured by the Church argued that the divinely appointed way of arriving at the truth in astronomy was by theological reasoning on texts of Scripture; and, as to his results, they insisted, first, that Aristotle knew nothing of these new revelations; and, next, that the Bible showed by all applicable types that there could be only seven planets; that this was proved by the seven golden candlesticks of the Apocalypse, by the seven-branched candlestick of the tabernacle, and by the seven churches of Asia; [I]that from Galileo's doctrine consequences must logically result destructive to Christian truth. Bishops and priests therefore warned their flocks, and multitudes of the faithful besought the Inquisition to deal speedily and sharply with the heretic.[131b][/I]

Taken from this site.

If you need any more info, just ask. I really don't mind searching the net for this because it's so INCREDIBLY easy to find so many sources that basically say the same thing of how Galileo was treated by the Christian faith.

christians and catholics big difference how about you do your researh...why would christians condemned him did he kill any1? did he rape any1? no so then why would the christians condeme him? the very laws we use 2day come from christians principals if u didnt kno..God said u will be judged by your actions...i dont remember galileo killing any1..so why blame the christians if they werent the head of the church and there not...catholic church is big difference between a catholic and christian....last time i read you are blaming the chatholic church for the death of galileo you yourself said the CHURCH killed him....from what i read the church is catholic....1   

Hmmm, you patronize me, grasshopper. All this, and more, I have replied to with that simple source up there. I may not be of Christian faith, and do not have a relationship with your God, but that doesn't mean I'm completely ignorant of what your Holy Book teaches (which is COMMON SENSE when it talks about morality).

I blame not the religions, I blame middlemen: Church(es) and Bible.

by the way i read what u wrote on the God topic...sorry about your injury playing volleyball i hope everything is better...i kno how it is i fractured my ankle playing basketball i just got off krutches last week i was using krutches for 6 weeks...well im out pz

Ah thanks! It's a smite injury and the true reason for not posting is my busy life style which has gotten a little more complicated as of late. But altogeher, getting hurt when it's not your fault sucks bootay.

[karrar]

Some more

(Koran 56:7)
And ye shall be sorted out into THREE clbuttes.

The contradictory verses:
(Koran 90:18-19)
Such are the Companions of the right hand.
But those who reject our signs, they are
the companions of the left hand.

(Koran 99:6-8)
On the Day will men Proceed in companies sorted
out, to be shown the deeds that they had done.
Then shall anyone has done an ounce of good,
see it! And anyone who Has done an ounce of evil,
shall see it.

At first, Mohammed says that during the Last Judgement people will be divided into 3 groups. But in the later verses he seems to have changed his mind to 2 groups -- the group that has done evil and the group that has done good.

How can you not comprehend those verses the correct way ?, In the above Verses (56:7-56) you can see that there will be three main clbuttes .  Among the Good there will be the specially exalted clbutt, those nearest to Allah (56:11-26), and the righteous people generally, called the companions of the Right Hand (56:27-40).  And there will be those in gony, the companions of the Left Hand (56:41-56). Holy Verses (90:18-19), also, talk about the clbuttes of the Right Hand and the Left Hand, but do not say that these are the only clbuttes.  The same thing with Surahs (99:6-8), we see that they talk about the Right Hand and the Left Hand clbuttes indirectly by explaining that those who do good in their life will receive good in the Day of Judgment, and those who do bad in their life will receive bad in the Day of Judgment.  However, (90:18-19) also does not say that these are the only two clbuttes. Basicly what im trying to say is  (56:7-56) talk about the 3 clbuttes that we will be divided in in details.  (90:18-19, and 99:6-8) talk about only 2 clbuttes of the 3 that are mentioned in (56:7-56).


NOTE = for some reason the word c l a s s e s keeps changing to clbutts probay becuase of that that new editing createtblog trash

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During The Birth Of Jesus How Many Angels Spoke To Mary?
According to the Koran how many angels spoke to the virgin Mary at the time of the announciation of Jesus's birth? Well, Mohammed was no too sure about this, so he said that there were several angels in one verse and in the other he states that there was only one.

(Koran 3:42)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee...

(Koran 3:45)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O! Mary! Allah giveth thee...

(Koran 19:17)
...Then We sent to her (Mary) Our ANGEL...

The Verses (3:42-45) and (19:17-21) might look like they are contradicting each other becuase (3:42-45) is talking about multiple angels, while (19:17-21) talks about one angel.  BUT, there is no contradiction !  These two sets of Holy Verses took place at two different times. If had you read the verse completely youd know that. 

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Infinite Loop Problem
Now I will show that if we hold the following verses to be true then they will lead us to an infinite loop and eventually making the same verses invalid.

(Koran 26:192-196)
Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the
worlds: with it came down the Spirit of Faith and
Truth to thy heart and mind...in the prespicuous
Arabic tongue, without doubt it is announced in the
writings of revealed Books of former peoples.


In this sura, we find that Koran is announced in the earlier writings. First point to note here is that none of the earlier revelations were in Arabic. For example, the earlier writings were Torah and Injil written in Hebrew and Greek.

Two contradictions arise immediately:


How can an Arabic Koran be contained in books of other languages?


For verses (26:192-196) to be true, an earlier revelation X (for example) has to include those very verses (26:192-196) since the Koran is properly contained in all earlier revelations. Now, having those verses in the revelation X means that X itself has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Y. Applying the same logic, Y has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Z and so on. We find ourselves in an infinte loop which proves the absurdity of the verses (26:192-196)

The verses states about the Qur'an and describes it as being revealed by the Lord and it being in Arabic, however, the verses only say that the Qur'an was mentioned, or prophesied, in the "Zubr" (etchings/scripture) of the ancients. This does not mean that the Qur'an as a physical entity is to be found in that scripture, rather, what is to be found therein is mention of the Qur'an or a prophesy of it.

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Scientific Contradictions

The Koran teaches us that there are seven heavens one above the other and that the stars are in the lower heaven, but the moon is in the midst of the seven heavens.

However, in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

(Koran 71:15-16)
Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens
one above the other, and made the moon a light in their
midst,and made the sun as a lamp?

(Koran 71:41:12)
And He completed the seven heavens in two
days and inspired in each heaven its command;
and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps,
and rendered it guarded...

Firstly, the Koran states that there are seven heavens in universe. Any sane person who has studied a bit of Modern Astronomy can tell that the conception of seven heavens was nothing but a result of Mohammed's absurd imagination. Muslim compliers try to cover up this serious flaw in the Koran by saying that the expression should be considered poetic rather than scientific.

Secondly, Koran claims that the stars are in a lower or even lowest heaven, while the moon is in a middle heaven. Even a child in primary standard knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon.

you present Noble Verses 71:15-16 which state "See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?." What the you didn't understand from these Noble Verses is that Allah Almighty claimed that the sun is the source of light "sirajan" and the moon is the reflection of light "Nooran".  The moon is not the source of light. Now, in Noble Verse 71:16 "and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp?" indicates that the light whether comming from the sun (the source) or the moon has no limits.   The light can travel from one heaven to the other freely. The Noble Verses did not say that the moon belongs to the seven heavens or is further in distance to the earth than the stars to the earth.  The Noble Verses clearly talked about the light that comes from the sun and from the moon traveling freely through the seven heavens "...a light in their midst... (71:16)".

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Solomon listens to ants
The Koran talks about an incident where Somolom listens to ants while they are "talking".

(Koran 27:18-19)
At length, when they came to a valley of ants, one of
the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations,
lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot)
without knowing it."

So he smiled amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which Thou has bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace to the ranks of Thy Righteous Servants."

This in deed is a new discovery by Mohammed about ants which directly contradicts the scientific fact that ants communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any sound.

Would you say Jesus raising of the dead was scientifically sound? Or do you propose that this is also "scientifically" wrong?Or do you propose that Moses'(peace be upon him) staff turning into a snake is "scientifically" wrong?Don't confuse special miracles given to prophets with "scientific" proofs. A miracle, by definition, is something which human reasoning can not explain, but which the human is made to feel awe at the power of God!

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i have some more comming up soon, but uh sillk where have you been ? You have yet to start on those bible contradictions . Where are you ?

[gigiopolis]

Actually...to me it doesn't really matter much. Just because some things from the Koran are incorrect, it doesn't mean the religion itself is corrupt...

So long as the Koran teaches the right things, I don't think it matters if it's not God who says all of it.

People try to analyze religion so much, and I think we're all just defeating the purpose by doing that.

[laila]

u wanna know bout islam? cuz none of u have the least bit clue wat ur talkin bout. hit me up w/ur AIM s/n and if u wanna know seriously wat its all bout ill let u know. none of watever bs yall are comin up with.

[karrar]

Are you talking to me ?

[Spirited Away]

u wanna know bout islam? cuz none of u have the least bit clue wat ur talkin bout. hit me up w/ur AIM s/n and if u wanna know seriously wat its all bout ill let u know. none of watever bs yall are comin up with.

I would've taken your invitation if you hadn't been so rude about it.

[*kryogenix*]

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/morgand03.html

Bible contradictions explained.

[Spirited Away]

I'm begining to think that interpreting the Bible is like kind of like analyzing art. The similarities here is that you can't pin the exact answer because everything is so "metaphorical" and that such and such people didn't have a word for such and such so they have to make due with simplified words. So, there can't be an exact truth, just interpretations that can sway every which way. If I said I like eating pie, a non-English speaker could interpret it to be "I like cake" if they didn't know the word pie existed. However, pies and cakes aren't the same thing and cannot be substituted no matter how you look at it. Interpretations, though, go a long way.

We can have a Scripture duel all day/month/year/lifetime and it will beget nothing because virtually any interpretation of the Scripture can be made (especially) about the earth being flat, or not so flat. 

[sadolakced acid]

who's to say god can't refer to himself in third person?

[JC4P]

first of all...its Qu'ran. Second of all, anyone wants to know anything about it, ask me, i was actually born in Iran (middle east)

[Spirited Away]

first of all...its Qu'ran.

Both Koran and Qu'ran are acceptable in English.

And you should just debate the first post in this thread. It's the one that boasts about contradictions in the Koran.

[sadolakced acid]

first of all...its Qu'ran. Second of all, anyone wants to know anything about it, ask me, i was actually born in Iran (middle east)

i thought Koran and Qu'ran were both correct spellings... they sound the same...

anyways; could you explain:

1. who physically wrote the Koran
2. if it's really suppose to be the direct word of god
3. has it ever been rewritten

thanks.'

[karrar]

i thought Koran and Qu'ran were both correct spellings...  they sound the same...

anyways; could you explain:

1. who physically wrote the Koran
2. if it's really suppose to be the direct word of god
3. has it ever been rewritten

thanks.'

1. Muslims believe that the Angel Gabriel revealed the Qur’an to the Prophet Muhammad on numerous occasions between the years 610 and before Muhammad's death in 632. In addition to memorizing his revelations, he then recited them out loud to his educated companions, who then recorded it. These recordings where organized in to what we call the Qur’an.

2. Yes, Muslims believe that the Qur’an is comprised of the direct words of God. Witch where revealed to the prophet Mohammed through the Angel Gabriel. Muslims consider the Qur'an with extreme respect; they keep it on a high shelf, and wash their bodies before reading the Qur'an. That is the reason many riots where held in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries protesting the unearthly practice of detention officers in Guantanamo bay. Flushing Qur’ans down the toilet is not a just interrogation method. I'd expect the US to be the first ones to understand that.

3. No, the Qur'an available today is the same as that revealed to Prophet Muhammad and by him to his followers, who memorized his words.

Any more questions please don’t shy on asking.

[*kryogenix*]

i have a question about jihad.

what is the concept behind it?

[fameONE]

i have a question about jihad.

what is the concept behind it?

Jihad, from what I'm gathering, seems like a plan for dominating religions (and ultimately, the world) with the Muslim faith.

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[sadolakced acid]

no.

jihad is not 'holy war'. its a struggle for the faith.

like, if christians were called upon to defend the vatican...

stuff like that.

[fameONE]

no.

jihad is not 'holy war'.  its a struggle for the faith. 

like, if christians were called upon to defend the vatican... 

stuff like that.

So using Jihad as a polical tool is just like W saying that our actions in Iraq is for the good of Christianity?

[sadolakced acid]

So using Jihad as a polical tool is just like W saying that our actions in Iraq is for the good of Christianity?

err... yes, if W said that it was every christian's duty to fight there.

jihad is, to my understanding, missued from it's original intent.

[*not_your_average*]

who's to say god can't refer to himself in third person?

Agreed. It's God, he can do whatever he wants.

jihad is, to my understanding, missued from it's original intent.

Many, many things (especially when it comes to religion) are misused.

[*mipadi*]

That is the reason many riots where held in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries protesting the unearthly practice of detention officers in Guantanamo bay. Flushing Qur’ans down the toilet is not a just interrogation method. I'd expect the US to be the first ones to understand that.

The flushing of pages of the Qu'ran down a toilet did not happen. The report in Newsweek was incorrect.

[karrar]

The flushing of pages of the Qu'ran down a toilet did not happen. The report in Newsweek was incorrect.

That's what they want you to believe.

[*kryogenix*]

That's what they want you to believe.

you can make any conspiracy theory you want, doesn't mean people are going to believe you. Newsweek should have checked their facts before printing a story.

The fact is though, some people did mishandle the Koran (I believe the pentagon admitted that there was a soldier that stepped on the Koran), but they were not under orders to, and this is not the United States against Islam. It's a few people who have no respect. The riots are completely out of line.

http://angrypatrioticbastard.com/entMedia.html <--- this guy is very extreme on this issue, but he makes some good points.

[saysaydaplay]

umm where are you getting these Quran lines , do you have a Quran or did you just get it of some faulty website..?

[karrar]

umm where are you getting these Quran lines , do you have a Quran or did you just get it of some faulty website..?

He admitted to clicking on the first ainti-islam site he found on the net.

[saysaydaplay]

He admitted to clicking on the first ainti-islam site he found on the net.

Oh ok ..I didn't see it ...I was about to get really mad

[*mipadi*]

That's what they want you to believe.

Fine--there's no evidence any of that happened.