Euthenasia?, wrong or right? Options

[sikdragon]

Hastening the death of a friend or loved one to decrease the long-suffering. Is this a good thing to help the patient commit suicide?




I am pro-suffering.

[Retrogressive]

no! life is a thing (as far as I know) that only comes around once, treasure each moment no matter what the situation.

[*Kathleen*]

Pro-suffering? Whoa. Talk about sadistic... I don't really have a side on this...at some times, I feel that if you're basically a vegetable, I don't see why you should suffer anymore. Then again, why give up hope? But I believe that there should be documents signed by a person in case this were to happen, explaining that they want the plug pulled on them if it comes down to that someday. I think they have something like that around, but I'm not sure...

[KaRaoKe_sLut]

Personally I think that if the person is conscious enough to make the decision for themselves, then they should be able to make that call. However, if they're in a vegetative state where they are completely incoherant, they should revert to whatever is in their will... IF THEY DON"T HAVE A WILL... well then I think that the closest relative should just deal with the decision... which is typical protocol as it stands.

[*Kathleen*]

well then I think that the closest relative should just deal with the decision... which is typical protocol as it stands.

Say the relative is corrupt and secretly just wants their money?

[Sumiaki]

no! life is a thing (as far as I know) that only comes around once, treasure each moment no matter what the situation.

Do you truly treasure pain and suffering with no sign of getting better?

[Retrogressive]

you treasure the short time you are given on this earth no matter what. if there is pain, don't be a coward because suicide is the cowards way ouy.

[ryfitaDF]

suicide is a cowards way out, but if somone wants to die that bad let them. if their corrupt relatives waht to kil them when they're in a coma with a terminal illness, then wheres the problem? the sooner they enheret the stuff the better.

[Retrogressive]

I have to admit there are a few people I want o kill.... that is AFTER I take over the world through the republican party... they are just my little puppets..

[*Kathleen*]

if their corrupt relatives waht to kil them when they're in a coma with a terminal illness, then wheres the problem? the sooner they enheret the stuff the better.

Say they don't get the power to kill him and he miraculously recovers?

[WhiteLotus*]

Well, I'm a bit for it. I got my cat euthenizied( is that even a word?). I couldnt stand to watch her suffer. She couldnt walk, she wasnt eating, and she was drinking any water. She was old as well, and becomming very sick. I coudltn watch her suffer any longer.

I think Euthanasia has some good in it. But then again, I have guilt that I sorta-kinda killed my cat....

[*Kathleen*]

Well, I'm a bit for it. I got my cat euthenizied( is that even a word?). I couldnt stand to watch her suffer. She couldnt walk, she wasnt eating, and she was drinking any water. She was old as well, and becomming very sick. I coudltn watch her suffer any longer.

I think Euthanasia has some good in it. But then again, I have guilt that I sorta-kinda killed my cat....

Yeah, and you can't really compare humans to cats.

[ryfitaDF]

Say they don't get the power to kill him and he miraculously recovers?

i said "terminal" meaning no cure nor recovery. if they're practicly dead already then make it offical, and if they want to die from the disease let them.

[is2diexd]

Yes! i think its a perfect way to help hopeless patients.
Because if people are hopeless and THEY themselves are willing to give up their life
i think people should be able to help them commit suicide.
Because its a lot of pain going through the same thing, all those strong medication, and days in hospitals are depressing..
When you realize that you ahve less than 10% chance of surviving its really
depressing and painful to live and just think about the day you'll finally die

[heroin_like_high]

I'm "pro-suffering" too. Cuz, hell, you never know. I mean, I forgot when, but there was this guy who was in a coma for like 9 years or something. And the doctor asked his mother if she wanted to euthenasize (sp?) him. She told the doc no, and he one day just snapped out of it and was fine. So you never know...

[sikdragon]

Yes! i think its a perfect way to help hopeless patients.
Because if people are hopeless and THEY themselves are willing to give up their life
i think people should be able to help them commit suicide.
Because its a lot of pain going through the same thing, all those strong medication, and days in hospitals are depressing..
When you realize that you ahve less than 10% chance of surviving its really
depressing and painful to live and just think about the day you'll finally die

ok lets say you were in a car accident and had brain damage losing all control of your body and were unconscious most of the time and continually suffering. there was no sign of getting better. Your wife opted to pull the plug because you wanted to die.

You die and face judgement for let's say you lived a good life donated to charity and junk but your last act on earth was the murder of yourself. You face judgement and feel remorse for what you have done. Then to make it worse God is forced to turn his head because he cannot stand to look at you because of your sin and is ashamed of you. You choose to go to hell and fall down a seemingly endless pit only to find an end. You are facing downward and stare your downfall into the eye. The lake of fire and molten rock following a circular current ready and waiting to pull you downward. You turn and see the most beautiful thing you have ever seen in your entire life on earth chained to a wall swimming and screaming all the while smiling because you have come to join him. You feel the presence of evil and willingly become one with it. As you are about to hit the pool of fire and brimstone you are caught by imps, demons, and fellow guilty parties and are pulled down into the flames. Instantly you are dehydrated anything resembling moisture has been taken from your body all coolness and breeze are sucked out of you by the demons they fight over you tearing at your flesh with their claws. Biting into you, raping you, taking everything you have away. Your flesh becomes an unearthly char and only darkens with the passing minutes. Your callouses don't ease the pain as it would when you are hoeing the garden. The pain stays constant. Your bones burn your inner being is burning and aching but you dont shrivel up into nothing, you stay as you were when you were judged. You cry out for pain not for help. You accept your fate hurting not because your loved ones are bound to face the same fate, not because you are in utter physical agony, not because your happiness is gone, It is because you are without the presence of the lord. You are drained of all love, good, and ecstacy. You are drained of idleness and thought. You feel only remorse, fear, hatred, and death. This is the fate of all those without Christ in their lives. Those who die with sin in their hearts.

I beg of you, please make a decision today and join God's family so that I may rightfully call you brother and that God may call you his own.
All he offers is Love, Please Accept it.

[nyctophiliac]

no! life is a thing (as far as I know) that only comes around once, treasure each moment no matter what the situation.

yeah i agree with you ^^

[hi-C]

sikdragon, fire and brimstone? Let's not be medieval here.

And let's be clear on the meaning of euthanasia. There's a difference between it and assisted suicide, which is what you proposed in your first topic and in your subsequent reply.

Euthanasia: Somone else making the decision to end the suffering of someone

Assisted suicide: Making the conscious decision to end your life because of no hope of living, like if you had a terminal illness, ususally helped by someone in the medical profession: i.e. Dr. Kevorkian

And, ryfitaDF, don't be so jaded. People have to face this decision every day, it's not very sensitve to say "the faster they inherit (which you spelled wrong, btw), the better."

[sikdragon]

no the guy before me was talking about suicide and it's not medieval.

[espionage]

Euthanasia: Somone else making the decision to end the suffering of someone

Assisted suicide: Making the conscious decision to end your life because of no hope of living, like if you had a terminal illness, ususally helped by someone in the medical profession: i.e. Dr. Kevorkian

^which you spelled usually wrong, btw no offense intended.

If the person with illness cannot communicate anymore, then it's obviously hard to know if he or she wants to be taken off life support or not. I think it just depends on how serious the disease is - but personally, I'd try letting them go... If it's earlier, then there's less pain, but probably more guilt. However, if it's later, there's a lot of pain, which causes guilt anyway.

Yell at me.

[sikdragon]

OK IM YELLING. no not really, but what if the person becomes cured or comes back to life? won't you feel stupid then?

[sporadic]

Well, in theory it's the kind thing to do, but I doubt anyone could do that to a loved one.

[needlenymph]

I think it depends on the situation...If the person is in great suffering then yes they should be allowed to make that choice or have someone make if for them...Okay yes I understand the 'what if its curable?' BUT if the person is in great pain, they shouldnt have to wait around for a cure..

On the other hand if its something like a coma, etc...or a vegetative state, where they are in no pain, etc etc, then thats not really right..because youre not ending any suffering..youre just ending a life for no reason..

But even if euthanasia became an option for certain cases..that could clear the way for all kinds of stuff...people with clinical depression and other mental illnesses wanting to be euthanized, and all types of other madness O.o...not sure if that door needs to be opened.

[najae]

If I were completely paralyzed and unable to care for myself in any way, I'd want them to pull the plug. I see no sense in continuing to live if I can't do anything for myself. Sometimes, assisted suicide can be a good thing, especially for those who've suffered for many years.

[sikdragon]

there is only right and wrong, quit trying to make a double standard.
Is assisted suicide right when someone just breaks their leg??

[KaRaoKe_sLut]

But even if euthanasia became an option for certain cases..that could clear the way for all kinds of stuff...people with clinical depression and other mental illnesses wanting to be euthanized, and all types of other madness O.o...not sure if that door needs to be opened.

As far as if Euthanasia becoming an option... I doubt that if it did that it could be an option for people with mental illnesses. Obviously if people had mental illnesses they would not be in the right frame of mind to make those kinds of decisions. If people are suicidal [consider cases of clinical depression] and Dr.s try to prevent them from comitting suicide, they wouldn't let them make a decision to do an assisted one... did that make any sense?

As for euthanasia being an option for breaking your leg??? c'mon now... euthanasia is generally only something considered by people of GREAT suffering. I don't consider it a double standard if it is right for some situations and not right for others. In the medical field there are always different options offered for varying degrees of problems.

[sikdragon]

Everyone suffers. Why are they murdered? Pain is just an altered state of mind. Who is anyone to decide when life should end?

[mzteriouzme007]

Pro-suffering? Whoa. Talk about sadistic... I don't really have a side on this...at some times, I feel that if you're basically a vegetable, I don't see why you should suffer anymore. Then again, why give up hope? But I believe that there should be documents signed by a person in case this were to happen, explaining that they want the plug pulled on them if it comes down to that someday. I think they have something like that around, but I'm not sure...

i think it's sad, but i think it's their own decision... and that somehting i think is just this one doctor, but he was fired.

[waccoon]

Everyone suffers. Why are they murdered? Pain is just an altered state of mind. Who is anyone to decide when life should end?

Pain is not an altered state of mind, pain is a sensation. It's not murder to use eunthanasia, rather helping a friend. If I were in a coma after a car accident without any hope of coming out - I'd be pretty damn quick to pull the plug.

there is only right and wrong, quit trying to make a double standard.
Is assisted suicide right when someone just breaks their leg??

When one breaks a limb.. you are not in any great danger. Limbs are easily healed, there's no need to euthanize anybody.

When a person commits an act of euthanasia he brings about the death of another person, soley because he believes the other is better off deceased. He believes that unless he intervenes, life would become horrible and death would be a better reality to face. Euthanasia is benefitial to not only the victim, but the family and friends - they can stop worrying about the patient.

[sammi rules you]

i think euthenasia isn't right when it's some kid trying to kill himself or something..just cause he/she wants to be dead doesn't mean it would be the right thing for them. however, if someone is lying in a hospital bed with a terminal illness or paralyzed from the neck down or something and they want to die rather than keep living like that, i believe they should have the choice.

[waccoon]

i think euthenasia isn't right when it's some kid trying to kill himself or something..just cause he/she wants to be dead doesn't mean it would be the right thing for them. however, if someone is lying in a hospital bed with a terminal illness or paralyzed from the neck down or something and they want to die rather than keep living like that, i believe they should have the choice.

Voluntary euthanasia has several guidelines..

Five Individually Necessary Conditions for Candidacy for Voluntary Euthanasia
Advocates of voluntary euthanasia contend that if a person is
(a) suffering from a terminal illness;

(b) unlikely to benefit from the discovery of a cure for that illness during what remains of her life expectancy;

© as a direct result of the illness, either suffering intolerable pain, or only has available a life that is unacceptably burdensome (because the illness has to be treated in ways which lead to her being unacceptably dependent on others or on technological means of life support);

(d) has an enduring, voluntary and competent wish to die (or has, prior to losing the competence to do so, expressed a wish to die in the event that conditions (a)-© are satisfied); and

(e) unable without assistance to commit suicide,
then there should be legal and medical provision to enable her to be allowed to die or assisted to die.

...  A final preliminary point is that the fourth condition requires that the choice to die not only be voluntary but that it be made in an enduring (not merely a one-off) way and be competent. The choice is one that will require discussion and time for reflection and so should not be settled in a moment. As in other decisions affecting matters of importance, normal adults are presumed to choose voluntarily unless the presence of defeating considerations can be established. The onus of establishing lack of voluntariness or lack of competence is on those who refuse to accept the person's choice. There is no need to deny that it can sometimes be met (e.g. by pointing to the person's being in a state of clinical depression). The claim is only that the onus falls on those who deny that a normal adult's choice is not competent.

[sammi rules you]

ok well then there ya go. i think that ^ is perfectly fine.

[sikdragon]

Medicine is guess work. To know for a fact that someone is going to die is fallacy. A horse that breaks its leg is shot. That is what i was referring to. To stop life prematurely is murder.

[sammi rules you]

Medicine is guess work. To know for a fact that someone is going to die is fallacy. A horse that breaks its leg is shot. That is what i was referring to. To stop life prematurely is murder.

a horse being shot after hurting its leg isn't euthanasia, so how does that relate to this topic?

[sikdragon]

I was comparing it to eutenasia. As if we were to treat the useless or possibly dying as horses with broken legs.

[sammi rules you]

it's not like people kill them without their consent. if they want to die, then they do.

[sikdragon]

They don't know what they want. They are in pain.

[*tweeak*]

i dont believe in euthenasia. like abortion and the death penalty, it is giving people excuses to kill. with the directions were headed, with killing to relieve suffering or the hassle of raising a child and whatnot, at some point in the future killing may become more accepted. its like the sprading of a white law that continues to grow until its a far bigger problem than was ever intended. i mean, if they really want to give serial killers an outlet, then euthenasia would be great, but otherwise murder with even permission is murder (or assisted suicide, which just so happens to be illegal)