Labels, useless mutherfu..didnt say it, meant it Options

[sikdragon]

How does one define one's self without branding ourselves with useless labels? like uninspiredfae keeps telling everyone she is a deist. and other people are like im an atheist. i call myself a christian of sorts. Psychiatrists use words to classify humans as if they were animals. The churches use words to gain support and followers. Well as for the brain doctors, I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! i dont know about you, but when i got my thumbs and the ability to make tools we were set apart from the kingdom animalea. im sick of people classifying themselves with such stupid names as Buddhist, Hinduist <thing i dunno, muslim, christian, jehovas witness. Maybe their prophets for their religion were touched by God, but no matter how you look at it, there is one higher power. We all know he is there in the deepest breeches of our soul. I believe the christians and jews make the most sense. Muslims say to kill anyone who does not convert. come on now that cant be good for anyone. But the christian bible has guidelines that would make a utopia one that is kind of like the one Marx dreamed of but God is the ruler and we are all equal.It is the men who put the spin on their religions to benefit them. We are all people and all have our own opinion on God. But we all know he is there. He has to be, it just makes sense. The existence of God is the only logical explanation of creation and existence. Christianity benefits everybody. People are not perfect and they are doing it wrong... not all of them mind you.



This isnt really a debate topic, that doesnt mean close it. This is highly controversial, but you cant debate fact.

[*Kathleen*]

Please don't tell me this is another religious thread where we debate about whether God exists or not, because, frankly, no, I don't believe in him and that's what an atheist is. Blah. I hate debating religion, though. You can't prove much of anything on either side.

[sikdragon]

you cant prove anything to anybody about anything. religion is being discredited here. and you just acknowledged God right there. If he doesnt exist why must you say i dont believe in God?

[sikdragon]

and i resent that, religion affects everything that we do.

[*Kathleen*]

What else am I supposed to call Him? I'm only referring to him because that's what everyone else calls him, and I can still call him by his name even though he doesn't exist...otherwise, how would I refute against his existence?

[sikdragon]

why must you? just leave it alone and get a life. atheism is for people with too much time on there hands. if he doesnt exist why talk about it at all?

[sikdragon]

he does exist and he loves you.

[Spirited Away]

No, my dear, I've never said I'm Deist (at least I don't remember doing anything like that). Try and find ONE SENTENCE where I said I'm Deist? Please! And I only tell people when I'm being asked... or someone expressed interest in knowing, or when someone is challenging my beliefs, like you are doing... do you doubt that I agree with Deism?
Wow, that's just funny, but offensive somehow .

I am first and foremost agnostic, then humanist/deist, because I agree with SOME parts to deism and humanism.... I think you should edit your post or else people will have misconceptions about my beliefs.

Now back to topic:

How does one define one's self without branding ourselves with useless labels?

That's the thing, you DON'T define yourself because to define is to limit. I'm sure you're thinking, if I don't define myself, then why do I call myself an agnostic? Well, simple: I do not define myself, but word describes me. If I happen to believe that agnosticism explain what I believe in, then the word simple describes what I believe in, but that one word doesn't define my character/features/hobbies... what not.

If you want to close yourself off to possibilities, then go ahead and define yourself. Give yourself a specific lable and describe each and every one of your tendencies and belief. <-- This is defining oneself but even that doesn't fully define who you are.

Tell you what, I really don't know much about myself to be able to write a definition that fully describe who I am and what I believe in. That's why I thought that agnosticsm describes me so well... it leaves room for choice and having choices is better than not.

[Heathasm]

How does one define one's self without branding ourselves with useless labels? like uninspiredfae keeps telling everyone she is a deist. and other people are like im an atheist. i call myself a christian of sorts. Psychiatrists use words to classify humans as if they were animals. The churches use words to gain support and followers. Well as for the brain doctors, I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! i dont know about you, but when i got my thumbs and the ability to make tools we were set apart from the kingdom animalea. im sick of people classifying themselves with such stupid names as Buddhist, Hinduist <thing i dunno, muslim, christian, jehovas witness. Maybe their prophets for their religion were touched by God, but no matter how you look at it, there is one higher power. We all know he is there in the deepest breeches of our soul. I believe the christians and jews make the most sense. Muslims say to kill anyone who does not convert. come on now that cant be good for anyone. But the christian bible has guidelines that would make a utopia one that is kind of like the one Marx dreamed of but God is the ruler and we are all equal.It is the men who put the spin on their religions to benefit them. We are all people and all have our own opinion on God. But we all know he is there. He has to be, it just makes sense. The existence of God is the only logical explanation of creation and existence. Christianity benefits everybody. People are not perfect and they are doing it wrong... not all of them mind you.



This isnt really a debate topic, that doesnt mean close it. This is highly controversial, but you cant debate fact.

Look up the definition for all of those words, most of them will start with "a person who..."
There's nothing wrong with labels like that.....
HAVE YOU JUST BEEN WATCHING DOGMA
hah, i think you have

Any one could write a book and call it a religion that has guidlines to form a complete utopia....with little twists and turns such as the bible

What benefits every body is following a set of rules and laws...which we have.
Believing in some thing that could or could not be there does not benefit us, but it confuses every one and makes them argue about it
For all we know those two religions that make the most sense are why the world is so chaotic right now...if there were an ultimate source nothing bad would come of it ULTIMATELY

[inlonelinessidie]

1. I've never read that Fae was a deist.
2. Why pick on her when many other people have said they are: Buddhist, Christian, and Atheist.
3. Muslim extremist (key word being extremist) want to kill people who don't convert. NOT ALL.
4. Have you even read the Koran?
5. The bold lettering gave me a headache.

[Spirited Away]

1. I've never read that Fae was a deist.
2. Why pick on her when many other people have said they are: Buddhist, Christian, and Atheist.
3. Muslim extremist (key word being extremist) want to kill people who don't convert. NOT ALL.
4. Have you even read the Koran?
5. The bold lettering gave me a headache.

Don't worry, let him pick on me... hehe But thanks for sticking up for me.

The thing is, if he doesn't like lables, then why doesn't he take it on people who created the words "Christianity", "Hinduism", "Judaism"... what not. Even though I don't think of such religious terms as lables, but rather they break down the word religion, making it more distinctive.

I think this is a joke of sorts... because I wonder if he calls himself Christian.

[ComradeRed]

why must you? just leave it alone and get a life. atheism is for people with too much time on there hands. if he doesnt exist why talk about it at all?

How do atheists have too much time to go to Church? An atheist would SAVE time by not going to Church. He would save time by not reading the Bible.

It seems to me that atheists are people with NOT ENOUGH TIME ... so they decide to cut religion out of their lives.

[ComradeRed]

How does one define one's self without branding ourselves with useless labels? like uninspiredfae keeps telling everyone she is a deist. and other people are like im an atheist. i call myself a christian of sorts. Psychiatrists use words to classify humans as if they were animals. The churches use words to gain support and followers. Well as for the brain doctors, I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! i dont know about you, but when i got my thumbs and the ability to make tools we were set apart from the kingdom animalea.

So then are we ... bacteria? fungi? protists? plants? The American Heritage Dictionary defines Kingdom Animalia as: A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

We seem to fit that. I mean, I am sure that you are made of multiple cells, or you would be too small to type, or maybe too big to excise nitrogenous wastes efficiently. You are able to move (I hope), unless you just sit in your computer chair all day. You know, many Americans are losing that vital ability for locomotion. I highly doubt you use photosynthetic metabolism. If you do, you should sell yourself to science. Those poor people in the third world who are starving would LOVE to be able to derive energy from teh sun. Hmm... I've sure you've been hit before. Didn't you react to being hit? Because of course you don't believe in turning the other cheek, so that's definitely a response to stimuli. I assume you have restricted growth, because if you didn't, then there would be that nitrogenous waste problem ... and without fixed bodily structure, typing would be pretty hard too. You see, the reason we need osteo-building minerals is to keep our fixed bodily structure that all animals need.

[sikdragon]

funny i spelled it different.

[T00000]

get over it, labels are a way of life. they make things easier. would you like to know why psychologists use labels? because it's a SCIENCE, a STUDY, and there's no way you can talk about anything intelligently and coherently without classifying people. sorry, but kiddo, you ARE an animal so get off your high horse and deal with it.

[xLil SweetnezZx]

Muslims say to kill anyone who does not convert.

Like inthelonlinessidie said-thats only extremists. Besides, everyone was strict about their religion once in history because they were not cultured enough to understand everyones beliefs

[inlonelinessidie]

Don't worry, let him pick on me... hehe But thanks for sticking up for me.

Any time

[sporadic]

If we didn't classify ourselves now, it would happen eventually. Classification makes people feel more secure, like we hold the power.

And yes, humans are animals. We kill others to survive, protect our territories, blah blah blah. How can you think of yourself as anything more than an animal?

[sikdragon]

Like inthelonlinessidie said-thats only extremists. Besides, everyone was strict about their religion once in history because they were not cultured enough to understand everyones beliefs

the koran says to kill all those who are not muslims. If any muslim doesnt do this they aren't following the muslim faith like their bible tells them to.

look it up for yourself instead of relying on other people to relay the message to you. The telephone game isnt reliable.

humans are of the same kingdom but not the same class. humans have souls and a conscience. humans have the ability to adapt by thinking outside the box or instincts.

ur not getting what im saying. why do atheists have to go to a church if they dont believe in anything? why dont they just live their lives? If he didnt exist there would be nothing to deny or disbelieve.

someone in the thread uninspirefae posted in said they were deist.

i have read the majority of the koran for learning purposes only.


we do not need to label ourselves to learn and study. Labels only limit our actions and keep us from reaching our full potential. why say that person is an actor? why not say that person acts. or why say that person is a christian? why not say he follows the christian faith.

that is all im saying. why must you self-righteous biggots become so hostile. this is a debate not an arguement.

[ryfitaDF]

do animals believe in god?

and since when do atheists go to church??? seriously. that's the most rediculous thing i ever heard. and they deny what christian bigots try to force feed them.

we're only hostile because we think of you as being hostile. we're not fond of christian biggots such as yourself.

[ComradeRed]

humans are of the same kingdom but not the same class.

You're right. Our class is mammalia.

[Spirited Away]

look it up for yourself instead of relying on other people to relay the message to you. The telephone game isnt reliable.

As I mentioned to you earlier in the Jesus topic, people can learn through people instead of "reading". Word by mouth isn't very reliable, but it certainly cannot be discredited unless you know for sure the person is incompetent.

ur not getting what im saying. why do atheists have to go to a church if they dont believe in anything? why dont they just live their lives? If he didnt exist there would be nothing to deny or disbelieve.

Some Atheists and Agnostics go to Church because they're not close minded and want to learn as well as respect the beliefs of their fellow man, no matter how out-of-this-world they may be. This characteristic is something religious biggots should try to adapt as well.

someone in the thread uninspirefae posted in said they were deist.

I have no idea what on earth you're talking about. Do you have any proofs that I called myself a Deist (maybe I'm forgetting something I've said that should've been cleared up)? Not that I mind being called as such since I agree with some aspects of it, but I do not like people putting IGNORANT words in my mouth. Please refrain from doing so when I already cleared this up in an earlier post, thanks.

we do not need to label ourselves to learn and study. Labels only limit our actions and keep us from reaching our full potential. why say that person is an actor? why not say that person acts. or why say that person is a christian? why not say he follows the christian faith.

Psshh, this is what I have said in my post. But to answer your question, would you tell a child that Julia Roberts is NOT an actress, but she is only a person who acts? Or would you tell your 4 year old sister that the dog shouldn't be called a dog, but something else entirely? To define oneself is to limit one's potentials, but to lable/categorize is to make life/science/technology/culture simple.

that is all im saying. why must you self-righteous biggots become so hostile. this is a debate not an arguement.

I don't sense any hostility from anyone else BUT YOU. Everyone is just inputting their opinions, and for myself, I'm only trying to defend myself against your petty accusations that are quite unfounded.

[inlonelinessidie]

the koran says to kill all those who are not muslims. If any muslim doesnt do this they aren't following the muslim faith like their bible tells them to.

If that was true then don't you think we (non- muslims) would all be dead? So tell me when and where did you read the Koran? Online? Can you certainly believe everything you read online?
Show me where in the Koran it says that (verses, etc.). And I need a reliable source cause otherwise . . . shh.

//EDIT: People can totally twist the information they read, we can all do it. Same thing with the Bible, Tora, etc. Why just pick on the Koran?

[ComradeRed]

Parts of the Old Testament clearly say to kill people who don't believe in God...

[gigiopolis]

he does exist and he loves you.

Sorry, that is just closed-minded and what you said in reply to Kathleen about atheists is untrue and unfair.

And please don't double post.

=)

[jo3]

Muslims say to kill anyone who does not convert. come on now that cant be good for anyone.

please please please please please don't believe what Muslim extremists say about Islam. Muslims say that these extremists are not representing what their religion truly is.

3. Muslim extremist (key word being extremist) want to kill people who don't convert. NOT ALL.

you got the facts straight...good job :D

Parts of the Old Testament clearly say to kill people who don't believe in God...

i dunno if you're just playing w/ sikdragon cuz of what he said, but if not...please find me that passage, because i'm 99.999999999% sure that it's not anywhere in the Bible

Sorry, that is just closed-minded and what you said in reply to Kathleen about atheists is untrue and unfair.

and is this not close-minded?

and since when do atheists go to church??? seriously. that's the most rediculous thing i ever heard. and they deny what christian bigots try to force feed them.

we're only hostile because we think of you as being hostile. we're not fond of christian biggots such as yourself.

about labels....i'd say i have a few labels of my own:
- Korean
- Asian
- American
- Christian
- Baptist

does that make me a bad person? i don't think so




1 question that i do have for atheists/agnostics (i'd prefer to have a calm discussion w/ no bashing...but do whatever you want):

if there is no God, then how was the universe made? i don't suppose that it just popped out of nowhere, or that it just happened to work out perfectly.

and for barelyy coherent...is there a reason why there are 2 y's in barelyy? sry...it was bothering me lol (maybe that's the reason? to grab ppl's attention?)

[Spirited Away]

if there is no God, then how was the universe made? i don't suppose that it just popped out of nowhere, or that it just happened to work out perfectly.

This question should be aim towards atheists as agnostics usually unsure of the matter (maybe we can continue this in the God thread?).

Well, even if one say that God created the universe, isn't that a work of magic then? God has magic ? How did He create the world anyway?

As for labels: "heathens", "infidels", "impious", "undevout", "unholy", and my favorite one of all "misbeliever".

[jo3]

This question should be aim towards atheists as agnostics usually unsure of the matter (maybe we can continue this in the God thread?).

will do

[sikdragon]

As I mentioned to you earlier in the Jesus topic, people can learn through people instead of "reading". Word by mouth isn't very reliable, but it certainly cannot be discredited unless you know for sure the person is incompetent.

a persons competence is not the problem, it is the persons interpretation. People tend to misunderstand other people and remember things wrong. No human is perfect.

I have no idea what on earth you're talking about. Do you have any proofs that I called myself a Deist (maybe I'm forgetting something I've said that should've been cleared up)? Not that I mind being called as such since I agree with some aspects of it, but I do not like people putting IGNORANT words in my mouth. Please refrain from doing so when I already cleared this up in an earlier post, thanks. 

Someone who replied to something i said at nearly the same time you did said something about being deist.

I have some labels. Godly people and Bad people. Unless we are guiltless and have been washed in the blood of Christ we are all bad.<-- do you see the period? that means that is the end of that sentence. nothing can be added or erased. My mind IS closed when it comes to that. Because there is nothing anyone can do to disprove that.

[Spirited Away]

Someone who replied to something i said at nearly the same time you did said something about being deist.

That doesn't mean that I called myself Deist... I just said that I agree with parts of what Deism suggests...

I have some labels. Godly people and Bad people. Unless we are guiltless and have been washed in the blood of Christ we are all bad.<-- do you see the period? that means that is the end of that sentence. nothing can be added or erased. My mind IS closed when it comes to that. Because there is nothing anyone can do to disprove that.

There are other ways to describe good and bad: moral and immoral, ethical and unethical. Why must religion takes precedent in all that we do when it isn't the first thing that developed our moralit?. Experience is the first thing that exposes us to right and wrong.

Who can disprove belief? Yours are beyond me and mine are beyond yours, believe it or not. Unless something is factual, validity of proof and soundness must be considered, and because faith can't really hold validity and soundness as there are always holes in the argument, then I don't see how you can disprove me nor I can disprove you. But, it is fun to try and learn from, in my opinion.

You can end your sentence there and be happy with being closed off to the world of possibilities, but I'm just as content as you, perhaps more, being exposed to alternatives and logical reasoning.

[sikdragon]

I am close minded because this is the most logical and most possible reasoning for our existence. There is nothing that can open my mind because this is the answer. Keep searching if you like.

That doesn't mean that I called myself Deist... I just said that I agree with parts of what Deism suggests...

I agreed with you that i may have been wrong about you calling yourself a deist drop it. I said it could have been someone else.


And yes this is fun debating everyone. Although at times it seems I am playing devil's advocate when i am not. I mean aside from the difference of our beliefs and first impressions we could have possibly been friends in another time and place, but hey it's cool arguing.

[Spirited Away]

I am close minded because this is the most logical and most possible reasoning for our existence. There is nothing that can open my mind because this is the answer. Keep searching if you like.

Most logical and most possible, in your opinion. I happen to believe differently and my opinions are just as meaningful as yours, which is a fact in my book and in yours as well because God asks His followers not to judge (or so I've been told).

Life is searching, if not for faith, then for love, purpose, happiness. Kudos to religions that already provided all those points, but I'm an adventurer who likes to discover these things for myself instead of having someone else tells me what I should believe, love, live for... etc.

I agreed with you that i may have been wrong about you calling yourself a deist drop it. I said it could have been someone else.

Dropped.

And yes this is fun debating everyone. Although at times it seems I am playing devil's advocate when i am not.

You? The Devil's advocate? Who'd had thought because that's my role.

[sikdragon]

im new here. well sorta new. dont know nobody cuz i scare people away with my right winged ideas. maybe it is because i only reply in the debate section.

I can admire an adventurers spirit. I long to be travelling like Bob Hope and Bing Crosby in The road to Rio and movies like that.

[gigiopolis]

and is this not close-minded?

No, it's not. Why? Well, I only stated he was closed minded. I didn't try to push something in your face, I didn't try to completely deny a fact. Maybe you should give actual reasons before accusing people.