male pregnancy, immoral? Options

[*[2]Nekked*]

http://malepregnancy.com

wow science is really advancing huh? there are some people who disagree with this new development because they think that it defies nature and god's will.

one (pregnant) woman complains that she is appalled that a man could share the same experience she is having with her unborn child, and that the miracle of pregnancy is something only women should experience.

i however think this is a great step in science, because what if you wanted to have children, but your body wasnt fit to nurture and support a living child inside you? could your partner carry the child instead? some women complain that men should have to go through the pain of child birth, and now this is their chance.

[sikdragon]

so what do they get a big ass c- section? im not sure i understand the concept, ok now that i have read it, i believe it is the same kind of morality of buffalo bill. wanting to be a woman, i do not believe that a section 8 is that different that what is going on, on that site. men do not lactate as of yet, and a mother's milk is one of the biggest stepping stones of a healthy baby. im not sure male prenancy serves any purpose. There is no population problem.

[*[2]Nekked*]

so what do they get a big ass c- section? im not sure i understand the concept, ok now that i have read it, i believe it is the same kind of morality of buffalo bill. wanting to be a woman, i do not believe that a section 8 is that different that what is going on, on that site. men do not lactate as of yet, and a mother's milk is one of the biggest stepping stones of a healthy baby. im not sure male prenancy serves any purpose. There is no population problem.

they have certain formulas for that or u can get a wet nurse.

[sporadic]

Hey, if men wanna go through that hell than I say go for it. I'm getting my husband to have the baby :P

Lol, we can alternate.

[sweetdreamsx3]

I don't think it's immoral at all because guys are always saying that getting kicked in the balls hurts more than having a baby. I say we let them feel the pain!! LOL

[Just_Dream]

lol wow Trish you put this up Anyways I think it's a big stepping stone. Even though women are naturally supposed to be the one, there are people out there that might not be able to carry the baby within them, thus their partner can. Plus, WOMEN are always complaining about the fact that they have to go through pregnancy and that men don't know how much pain it would be to go through that. Well, women, what we have here is a new breakthrough that could help men know how it feels like to be pregnant.

And also, let's not forget that there are some gay marriages that have happened, and of those gay marriages that are men, some MIGHT want to have children and bear their own, but cannot because women USED to be the only ones that could have children.

(sorry if some of what I'm saying doesn't make sense. It made sense in my head.)

[sweetdreamsx3]

I think that makes complete sense. :D I mean the gay marriages especially because well their guys so yeaps.

[ComradeRed]

First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.

[sporadic]

Don't mean to sound apolcalyptic, but when men start having babies, I know that the end is around the corner.

[ComradeRed]

Why would they want to?

[*Kathleen*]

Hmm...so now gay guys can get pregnant! Meh. I don't know. I just don't think that that's too safe. I mean, if men weren't designed to give birth to children, then they shouldn't. That's just my opinion.

[hybrid]

Hmm...so now gay guys can get pregnant! Meh. I don't know. I just don't think that that's too safe. I mean, if men weren't designed to give birth to children, then they shouldn't. That's just my opinion.

That's true. Sometimes science ruins the whole point of nature or something. Plus, if men could be pregnant then that would also add more to the population at some point then cause a famine.

[*Kathleen*]

Plus, if men could be pregnant then that would also add more to the population at some point then cause a famine.

I don't know about that. Gays are a minority. I doubt many straight guys would want to get pregnant.

[hybrid]

I don't know about that. Gays are a minority. I doubt many straight guys would want to get pregnant.

Feminine guys might want to consider pregnancy... like Peter Griffin.

[DarkCrescentMoon]

wow...i never heard of that/... i guess he;d have to get a C section eh?

hmm...men getting pregnant....THE WORLD IS ENDING!

oh ive seen this before, haha
well i guess its kinda kool d=

but then if all males can get pregnant whats the point of women...-.-

[CrimsonArchangel]

First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.

Agree.

Do not support the concept at all.

[capsule]

bunch of bs. IF he gets a baby, it'll probably be deformed or something (i dont care if it says otherwise on that webpage).

Human cloning (yet to happen, but still), male pregnancy, tongue splicing....what's going on?

[sporadic]

What if they gave him a uterus and everything? That would be weird
What if he grew breasts? @_@

[*[2]Nekked*]

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ON WHETHER ITS REAL OR NOT. ITS A DEBATE ON IF MALES SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET PREGNANT; IF ITS IMMORAL OR NOT, ARE YOU PRO OR CON? SO STOP TRYING TO BE SMARTASSES AND SAYING " OH WELL THATS PROBABLY NOT EVEN REAL.EWWW" BECAUSE I REALLY COULDNT GIVE LESS OF A CRAP.

[capsule]

alright, lemme post up my thoughts on this:

im totally against male pregnancy because it just wasn't meant to be. im a christian, and I believe God created WOMEN to be pregnant, not man. I don't care if somehow science comes up with a way on having the opposite gender be able to become pregnant, its just wrong. I think male pregnancy only offends women going through pregnancy, and that they are taking roles that shouldn't be theirs. If man wants a child, theres adoption. this is an abomination before God :T If God wanted males to be able to reproduce, he would have done so. Man is only going against God's law by performing these horrifying experiments...or what they call, "science".

[F1R3B4T]

I don't think it's immoral at all because guys are always saying that getting kicked in the balls hurts more than having a baby. I say we let them feel the pain!! LOL

excuse me.
getting kicked in the balls hurts SO FRIGGN MUCH. i've xperienced it b4, NOT a good feeling. thers this pain in the stomach that dwells for a few days.

Feminine guys might want to consider pregnancy... like Peter Griffin. 

lmao peter griffin i still remember that episode..

as for male pregnancy, men were not made to bear children. just doesn't seem right to change that in such a way that it becomes possible.

hmm the men are against it and the women are for it... (sry to state the obvious)

[tootsie_kiddo]

What if they gave him a uterus and everything? That would be weird
What if he grew breasts? @_@

o wow... dat is scary

[*[2]Nekked*]

excuse me.
getting kicked in the balls hurts SO FRIGGN MUCH. i've xperienced it b4, NOT a good feeling. thers this pain in the stomach that dwells for a few days.



lmao peter griffin i still remember that episode..

as for male pregnancy, men were not made to bear children. just doesn't seem right to change that in such a way that it becomes possible.

hmm the men are against it and the women are for it... (sry to state the obvious)

Mr. Lee:
Well, I understand how it may be a shocking concept at first. Biologically, women have always given birth to children, and men have not. Despite the dramatic results of the sexual revolution in the latter half of this century, there are still very distinct and concrete social roles determined by this... until now... undeniable biological fact. Now, it seems, we have several important questions to consider. Why shouldn't men carry children and care for a fetus the same way a women does? Why shouldn't a man bear a burden that women have always carried? On the other hand, why shouldn't a man be able to experience the same joy and excitement that a pregnant woman feels nurturing a child within her own body? Now I think men, as well as women, have more choices, more possibilities, more roles they can assume in their lives.

[*Weird addiction*]

uHH???

[*Kathleen*]

hmm the men are against it and the women are for it... (sry to state the obvious)

I'm against it.

[*[2]Nekked*]

uHH???

dont spam

[KrunkMuzik]

Wow, that's crazy. I think science takes things TOO far. They mess with things that aren't supposed to be messed with. Some things are just better off beingg left alone.

[xHalf nHalf]

yeah i definately think thats sick and im totally against it....blah

[krazyxp]

if the male wants to share the pain, i say he GO FOR IT!
the whole male/female equality is coming around in interesting ways. ^^*
i hope to see the day when the guys at work are taking pregnancy breaks..

[inlonelinessidie]

Don't mean to sound apolcalyptic, but when men start having babies, I know that the end is around the corner.

ROFL

I see the end near too.

Personally, I don't like the idea. I don't think it's healthy especially for the fetus. God (sorry to bring God in this for all the haters, but I must) made women so we can bare children. It's just not right for a man to bare a child. He doesn't have enough female hormones as we do nor does he have a womb for the child to develop in or a vagina for delivery. I think it's just . . . very odd.

[DrEaMgUy2K1]

the thought of it gives me the willies lol

[emptyminded]

I think that we should just leave women to bear children. It is true that we go through a lot more than men but that just isn't worth it. How are we going to "make" babies if both sexes carry them? I don't know. I don't think this world is ready for Male Pregnancy.

[LaRevolucion]

Hmm...I'm against it. It just doesn't seem right and plus the pregnancy should be left to us women. We're specially made for carrying a baby and nurturing it.

[inlonelinessidie]

Hmm...I'm against it. It just doesn't seem right and plus the pregnancy should be left to us women. We're specially made for carrying a baby and nurturing it.

Yup. Jeez science is getting weirder everyday. Instead of finding cures for cancer and aids we waste the money on pointless crap.

[*Kathleen*]

If this were to actually happen, the baby would probably come out deformed or something...honestly, how would he breast feed the baby? Hmm? Poor kid.

[*[2]Nekked*]

If this were to actually happen, the baby would probably come out deformed or something...honestly, how would he breast feed the baby? Hmm? Poor kid.

there are formulas for that, or wetnurses. how do you think fathers feed their kids when the mothers run out on them?

[inn0centmarianne]

oh my this is so interesting, yeah.. technology these days, well I think it seems a little strange but I`m not critisizing anything, I think it sounds quite fine ;/

[CrimsonArchangel]

I'm against it.

Me too.

Instead of wasting money on trying to get men pregnant, why not try to fix the ozone layer or cure cancer or something. *sigh* what has this world come to.
Women and women alone were designed to carry babies and nurture them. Science shouldn't be playing with nature's design like that. Its wrong.

[Spirited Away]

We can rule out the social argument of:"it's not right for men to bear children because it's not their 'role' to do so". The traditional roles do not mean much to many people anymore. Sure, many men still believe in chilvalry and being the bread winner, but that logic cannot be applied to the majority of the developed world.

So, I find that the only angle of attack to the IMORALITY of male pregnancy is from the physical imperatives... for now.

Physically, the male species do not have the anatomies to nurture a growing fetus and a baby. Physically, it goes against nature. Physically, it goes against the process of mating/intercourse to have a pregnancy, which brings us back to a full circle of it being unnatural.

I understand that there are a variety of options to care for a growing child, but this is where the physical limitations of the male show their pathetic faces. There can be no arguement that women have the assets to bear children and to feed them naturally. Having thus such physical assets, women are in tune and perhaps will have a more emotional attachment to the child growing in their wombs because their bodies make them inclined to have strong maternal feelings. Of course, there is NO scientific evidence to back my assumption, but I trust that mothers will swear to it. Why would we have breasts, if not to feed our children? Why would we have vaginas if not to give birth to them? Is it not unnatural to have breasts and vaginas and not use them for what they are meant to do?

There are too many ways to refute this argument so far but I'm going to stop here and see what the responses are... I'll continue from there. This is an iffy subject and I don't really have solid stance on it.

[*[2]Nekked*]

How does the fetus obtain nutrients from Mr. Lee's body?

The umbilical cord and placenta are implanted into Mr. Lee's body. The metabolic exchanges between the fetus and patient, between mucosal with chorionic tissues, are almost analagous to female pregnancies.

takin from the sites FAQ

[Spirited Away]

^ That needs to be done through scientific interference and not something naturally provided/born with, which still means the male body has natural physical limitation in pregnancy.

[inlonelinessidie]

^ That needs to be done through scientific interference and not something naturally provided/born with, which still means the male body has natural physical limitation in pregnancy.

exactly. why would/should we waste money on something that is extremely pointless. not only is it absurd and unnatural,(i'll say it again) POINTLESS.

[*Kathleen*]

there are formulas for that, or wetnurses. how do you think fathers feed their kids when the mothers run out on them?

That doesn't mean that that's the best thing to use for children.

[mouse_3k]

it is a bit weird and not the natural way to go

[angel-roh]

i think God will make males get on pregnancy if the gay marriages get legal... i have that feeling cause God wants to have more ppls to our earth i guess...

[Mini]

Wow, I support homosexuality and gay marriages, but I'm sorry this is too much. I'm against it also. Hey, if Aliens come and wipe out our race by destroying the females, then I'm in for male pregnancy, but since that hasn't happened, then I'm against male pregnancy. I'm also iffy on this subject, but God made the world perfectly fine or if there isn't a God then we evolved the way we did. If men need to get pregnant, we would have evolved that way like the sea horses. That's so cool how the male sea horses carry the fertilized eggs and are impregnate with them.

There is no such thing as morally right or morally wrong. People were raised up with different ethics.

[is2diexd]

the only reason god decided to make womans have babies is because he didn't want to have babies -0-.. and that adam and eve this is an excuse for it -_-!!!

[sikdragon]

God is a spirit.

[sporadic]

And now we're onto the topic of God?

Okay, God gave man free will. Free will means he wants us to evolve on our own. Which means that if men want to have babies, and technology's evolved enough, men can have babies.

[sikdragon]

right and if they dont apologize they will go to hell and burn for all eternity. great thought isnt it.

[sporadic]

Wow, God is so thoughtful and forgiving and understanding.

[sikdragon]

yes he is, but he is a just God comes with the territory of being good you know.

[sporadic]

So what happens to people who doubt God's existence but are good people?

[sikdragon]

no one is good. it is by grace alone we are saved.

[sporadic]

That's lovely.

[sikdragon]

it is.

[inlonelinessidie]

Hey, if Aliens come and wipe out our race by destroying the females, then I'm in for male pregnancy, but since that hasn't happened, then I'm against male pregnancy.

LMAO. Yeah then obviously I would support it . . . but that wouldn't matter because I would be dead since I'm female.

[ComradeRed]

Hell doesn't exist... http://www.bibletruths.com/part6.htm

Long, but worth it. Hell is a place of chastening -- that's the word used. If you look it up, chastening means punishment with an aim to correct, thus it cannot be eternal.

Furthermore, Catholic Social Teaching teaches that punishment cannot be justified for its own sake ... it must provide restitution and redemption. But to provide restitution and redemption requires a finite punishment -- an infinite punishment is not compatible with the teachings on justice of any Christian church.

If God is a just God -- according to the Christian concept of justice -- there cannot be a permanent hell (but there can be a temporary one).

The Book of Revelation even says there are only THREE things that stay in hell forever -- Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet.

[*Kathleen*]

Why the heck are we talking about God now? Please, let's get back on topic.

[Yemmerz]

I think it's good in the world of science. I mean I'm not for it, but if it helps people (like gay people, who can't have kids) it's fine. But I wouldn't have my husband carry my baby.

[inlonelinessidie]

I don't understand why people keep bringing gay couples into this debate.
Sperm + Sperm does NOT = baby.
Egg + Egg does NOT = baby

Either way they will have to get a egg or sperm donor in order to get their child. So yes it is pointless.

[scandalous_chic]

Well, I think I'm against it.
I mean, what makes us women bond? The fact that all of us go through the same pain of childbirth at some point in our lives. It's something we share.

[banddorko]

i don't know if anyone has posted this... but i'm pretty sure that site fake. i thought it was real until i started telling my mom and dad about it, who are doctors. my mom said there's no where they could put the baby. then i showed her the cover of time they had on the site and she said "where's the date? or the price?" and i was like "uhh..." so i went to time.com and searched for the article and nothing came up. i thought that was supicious. i also asked my parents about RYT hospital, and they said they've never heard of it. then i started reading the posts on the skeptical board and those convinced me. look at this: LEEN, Pakistan: "this is not real. the EKG is an animated GIF for god's sake. are people so gullible?". i looked in the source and he's right.. look:

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i think it makes sense that this is all a hoax... if you look at the other "discoveries" they've made they look bogus too.. like a mouse that has the intelligence of a human? i don't think so... and also wouldn't there have been a LOT of media coverage on this if this was real? i'm not believing this.

[edit:] anyways, if it was possible i don't think it's right. i mean isn't that why woman are given the stuff to bear children?

[inlonelinessidie]

banddorko
Quit spamming

//EDIT: I apologize I thought you were posting a site for another forum or something. Sorry about that man.

[*Kathleen*]

Yeah, I'm pretty doubtful of it, too, but I think Trish (topic starter) would rather us discuss if it's moral or not, if it could happen.

Edit // How is that spamming?

[ryfitaDF]

so people are going against male pregnancy? wow. that's really awful. all these people saying stuff is immoral like stem cell and cloning need to realise that these finds are humanity's way of growing and if somthing doesn't grow it will die. did people oppose using the light bulb when edison invented it? some did. they're called the ahmish (sp?) and they don't seem too happy at all.

[inlonelinessidie]

they're called the ahmish (sp?) and they don't seem too happy at all.

Yeah they do. They get a time in their life to choose if they want to live in the "real world" or continue living in the ahmish lifestyle, and some choose to go back to how they were raised. So how can you say they aren't happy when in the end they chose to be ahmish . . .?

[Spirited Away]

so people are going against male pregnancy? wow. that's really awful. all these people saying stuff is immoral like stem cell and cloning need to realise that these finds are humanity's way of growing and if somthing doesn't grow it will die. did people oppose using the light bulb when edison invented it? some did. they're called the ahmish (sp?) and they don't seem too happy at all.

Researching electricity isn't quite similar to playing with human life...

And I'm with the rest of you people who doubt that this is a real research.

[CrimsonArchangel]

And I'm with the rest of you people who doubt that this is a real research.

Me too.

I mean, even the basic 9th grade biology student can tell you that the male physiology is not in any way suited to carry, nurture and support a growing human fetus.
Its just completely impossible.

[F1R3B4T]

eh i googled up the whole thing, and ryt hospital was listed on "bogus websites - maybe"

i took a closer look at that "time magazine" posted up ther, and it looked nothing close to the usual time magazine covers. it lacked the description of the story in small fonts, and there should've been many more story headlines on the cover.

lmfao the EKG is an animated gif. how interesting.

i agree with bandorko: wheres the media coverage? thers nothing in the news about it, OR those other discoveries.

the site links to a CNN coverage. read closely. the CNN coverage is on SEAHORSES. WTF?!?!?!?!


If thats not enough, read this: its the disclaimer found in the RYT hostpital.

The information on RYT Hospital-Dwayne Medical Center's web site is provided as a general reference; it is not to be used or relied upon for any medical decisions, diagnostic purposes, or medical treatments. This information is not intended to be patient education, and it does not create any patient-physician relationship. This site should not be used as a substitute for diagnosis and treatment by a medical professional.

Please consult your physician before making any healthcare decisions or for guidance about a specific medical condition. RYT Hospital-Dwayne Medical Center expressly disclaims responsibility, and shall have no liability, for any damages, loss, injury, or liability whatsoever suffered as a result of your reliance on the information contained in this site. RYT Hospital-Dwayne Medical Center does not endorse specifically any test, treatment, or procedure mentioned on this site.

if u go into "news and press" in malepregnancy.com, u see a link to USATODAY.com..... which so conveniently links directly back to malepregnancy.com. no coverage by usatoday, jus a link.


alrighty then, lets check out the online journal of mr lee. wat duz it say here?
"mr lee's prenancy journal will be bak online shortly."
clicking the picture will close teh popup.
if u right click the very edge of the popup, u can view the source:

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man i jus love the FAQ they provide

Will the birth be broadcasted live over the Internet? Mr. Lee has become increasingly uneasy with the enormous media attention his pregnancy is attracting. As a result, he is considering giving birth in private. For the same reason, detailed information following his pregnancy may be limited to the press as well as this web site.

Where do I go for more information about male pregnancy? A list of book references will be online shortly as well as additional documentation of Mr. Lee's pregnancy.

^^^^ straight from the faq.


hey, can anyone tell me the address of this place? the "contact us" section doesn't seem to give a sh*t about it.
i guess we'll have to wait out the 9 months to see if its real.


alright now, even if it were possible, i say it is completely immoral, for obvious reasons stated repeatedly by others before me.

[inlonelinessidie]

So this is bogus? We've been had . . .

But anyways the point of this debate is debating if in the future this would be a good idea.

[aud_chua]

i think it's fake..
i went to the website of Time and they didn't have the cover for that "male pregnancy" thingy.... if it was real, it should be all over the news!! but no.. i haven't seen anything else about that........ fcking liars!!
so yea.. it's all lies!!!!!!
but if that was real........ eww......!!! gross!!!!!!

[iheartsimba]

wow thats so amazing...if guys want to i suppose they can....but my only though is.....where would the baby come out of?!?!

[banddorko]

like someone already mentioned, they would do a c-section.

[*Kathleen*]

like someone already mentioned, they would do a c-section

Right, and I believe someone said they were for it because men would be able to feel what it's like to give birth, but...they wouldn't even go through normal birth and labor and all that.

[causticxdreams]

First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.

I so agree with that. Its basically impossible..but i mean really who'd wanna be walking down the street and seeing a pregnant man it'd just be plain scaryyy!

[F1R3B4T]

i think its immoral in almost all the religions....

[Mireh]

Woah. Are you serious?

This is quite shocking. I never would have dreamed that we would get so advanced

[ryfitaDF]

ok i take back what i said about the ahmish. the main part of me posting is that all these "morals" are just holding humanity back from it's full potential. morals can be wrong, therefore somthing immoral can be right.

[*Kathleen*]

But aren't morals supposed to lead us on the right path? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what they're for, right? Why would we follow immoral things?

mor·al    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (môrl, mr-)
adj.
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character:

[me_myself_andi20...]

i don't think it is wrong for guys to be pregnant... i mean it's what they want to do... everyone has their own morals..... and if guys could get pregnant... it would be so totally awesome... we would see guys with big tummies....

[aznriceboi]

i don't know, it could be a good thing or a bad thing because what if a child grows up to know that he was born from his dad instead of his mother. he'll feel like an outsider and an outcast from the rest of the world. on the other hand, people already pointed this out that if my mom couldn't have babies and the couple really wanted to then the dad would have to be the recipent. so yea it could go basically either way

[Mini]

But aren't morals supposed to lead us on the right path? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what they're for, right? Why would we follow immoral things?

How would someone know what's immoral? As I said many times, there is no such thing as morally wrong or morally right. People are raised with different morals. It is THEIR judgement of whether it [something] is good or bad, not your's or anyone elses'. For example, if a child was raised up that stealing is right because it [stealing] is the only way he can survive, then even though "morally" alot of people would think it is wrong, but to him it is "morally" right because he was raised up that way.

[*Kathleen*]

How would someone know what's immoral? As I said many times, there is no such thing as morally wrong or morally right. People are raised with different morals. It is THEIR judgement of whether it [something] is good or bad, not your's or anyone elses'. For example, if a child was raised up that stealing is right because it [stealing] is the only way he can survive, then even though "morally" alot of people would think it is wrong, but to him it is "morally" right because he was raised up that way.

Yes, but the majority of main morals go along the same lines.

[Mini]

Yes, but the majority of main morals go along the same lines.

Morals change over time also.

Statement                    "Yes" in 1965  "Yes" in 1990
Financial success is very important to me.  25% 75%
A meaningful philosophy of life is important. 75%  25%
I cheat on tests.                                    20%    37%
I'd lie about possible exposure to AIDS  ---      45%

A nation-wide survey by Ralph Wexler of the Institute of Ethics indicates that 1/3 of high schoolers and 1/6 of college students admit stealing something in the last year. Over 1/3 said they would lie on their resume to get a job. Over 1/2 of college students admit cheating in some way, over 60% say they would cheat on an important test. Other surveys show that 8 out of 10 high school students admit cheating. Likewise, 1/4 Americans think it is okay to cheat on their auto insurance, 30%-50% think goofing off at work is okay, 1 in 6 use drugs on the job, and 1/3 to 1/2 cheat on their spouses. Almost 60% of American adults have used force against another person; 7% say they would kill someone if paid enough; 25% would abandon their families for money (Etzioni, 1993). Furthermore, Wexler says only 2% of students get caught cheating because teachers don't watch carefully; therefore, maybe crime does pay and maybe honesty is, in some ways, not always the best policy from a selfish point of view. What about from society's point of view?

[ComradeRed]

Don't believe anthing Atmai Etzioni writes. He's a modern day Nazi and his polls are not statistically reliable. Look him up if you want. He supports killing the Palestinians. I still agree that ethics have declined a LOT since 1960, but not nearly to the proportions aspoused by Etzioni.

[sikdragon]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

[*Kathleen*]

Morals change over time also.


QUOTE 
Statement                    "Yes" in 1965  "Yes" in 1990
Financial success is very important to me.  25% 75%
A meaningful philosophy of life is important. 75%  25%
I cheat on tests.                                    20%    37%
I'd lie about possible exposure to AIDS  ---      45%

A nation-wide survey by Ralph Wexler of the Institute of Ethics indicates that 1/3 of high schoolers and 1/6 of college students admit stealing something in the last year. Over 1/3 said they would lie on their resume to get a job. Over 1/2 of college students admit cheating in some way, over 60% say they would cheat on an important test. Other surveys show that 8 out of 10 high school students admit cheating. Likewise, 1/4 Americans think it is okay to cheat on their auto insurance, 30%-50% think goofing off at work is okay, 1 in 6 use drugs on the job, and 1/3 to 1/2 cheat on their spouses. Almost 60% of American adults have used force against another person; 7% say they would kill someone if paid enough; 25% would abandon their families for money (Etzioni, 1993). Furthermore, Wexler says only 2% of students get caught cheating because teachers don't watch carefully; therefore, maybe crime does pay and maybe honesty is, in some ways, not always the best policy from a selfish point of view. What about from society's point of view? 

But still, that doesn't change the fact that morals don't exist nor are they the same. We still tell our kids not to steal. It's now just a matter of trust. You see? I mean, there are still plenty of morals that stay the same...don't cheat, don't kill, etc.

[ComradeRed]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

Riiiiiiiight...

So your God, who specifically says to Not kill, and to Turn the other cheek, is advocating killing people who oppose him?

You know who you sound like. You sound like our good buddy Osama.

[sweetdreamsx3]

excuse me.
getting kicked in the balls hurts SO FRIGGN MUCH. i've xperienced it b4, NOT a good feeling. thers this pain in the stomach that dwells for a few days.

Um no. What about pregnancy for 9 months? Have you ever thought of that? You get kicked in the balls and it lasts for a FEW days. Quit complaining.

And no, some of the men are for it. Have you bothered to go to that website that's posted? Some men are looking forward to it.

[Guarneri]

that'd be hella cool. .... one couple can have two babies at the same time. hahaha imagining this is pretty funny..

[*Kathleen*]

Um no. What about pregnancy for 9 months? Have you ever thought of that? You get kicked in the balls and it lasts for a FEW days. Quit complaining.

And no, some of the men are for it. Have you bothered to go to that website that's posted? Some men are looking forward to it.

Um...I believe I posted before, saying that they wouldn't experience a normal birth. They'd get a c-section...so...they're still not going to feel as much pain as women truly do.

[CrimsonArchangel]

i believe the slaughter of the palestinians and all who oppose israel would be the right thing to do. But the israelis chose not to and were tricked into treaties and were satisfied with their land. so lucky for you my God is saving his wrath for the coming war.

BTW he can be yours too! just ask him into your life and love him like he does you.

WOW! Where did *that* come from? That is a very rude and racist thing to say...


Back to the topic. Putting aside morals, male pregnancy is impossible in all logical sense people! Its unnatural and unnecessary. And don't bring gay couples into this. Even that is unnatural.
Even if there is the unlikely thing that this happens (which would defy nature in all its sense), the man would have to get a C-section because I don't think a baby is going to be coming out through the guy's anus or penis. Come on people. C-sections even in women are not natural (obviously). They cause trauma to the body and after a couple, women can't have any more kids because their bodies are too beat up after carrying the kid and then having to be cut open. I know this because my mom had me and my two sisters through C-sections and if she ever gets pregnant (doubt it, but still) again, either she or the kid will die.

Guys, like I said before, even a basic Bio student can tell you that the male body and immune systems are *NOT* in any way suited to carry a child, nor will they *EVER* be.

[sweetdreamsx3]

Um...I believe I posted before, saying that they wouldn't experience a normal birth. They'd get a c-section...so...they're still not going to feel as much pain as women truly do.

Ummm...okay. I'm just saying that the guy shouldn't complain so much about getting kicked in the balls.

[inlonelinessidie]

Ummm...okay. I'm just saying that the guy shouldn't complain so much about getting kicked in the balls.

Why shouldn't they? I would think it's a very painful thing that we could never comprehend. So you should quit complaining because I don't believe you've gone through labour yet, and can't exactly speak from experience as they can. Also not all women experience the same pain. My neighbour had mild contractions that felt like a slight stomach ache and boom she had a kid with no pain . . . should we hate on her too?

[*[2]Nekked*]

yknow what im about to get someone to close this topic because you people cant seem to get over the fact that its fake. what this thread was meant to be about was

IF MALE PREGNANCY COULD BE ESTABLISHED, WITHOUT ANY DEFORMATIES TO THE CHILD, WOULD YOU BE FOR OR AGAINST IT AND WHY?

GAH.

[ComradeRed]

I would ... not care. The official stance of the APAC (Apathy Party of Allegheny County) with regards to male pregnancy: We don't care.

[mzteriouzme007]

i agree wiff:: masu_misairu yeah... i'mma christian tooh, and i dotn' think that it's right... kuz... GOD made u like that, so u should stay like that... maybe teh world really IS ending!! and i agree wiff that other gurrl who said somethingliek... if all guyz could have babies, then what's so special about gurls? soon they're gonna have guys who are gonna have monthly 'friends'
plus... are guyz gonna suddenly liek.. develop a vagina?

[mzteriouzme007]

QUOTE (ComradeRed @ Aug 14 2004, 10:37 PM)
First of all, male pregnancy is junk science. Men do not have the biological machinery to maintain pregnancy, nor the immune mechanisms to defend the fetus. You would not only need gene splicing, but also very extensive surgery as well as technology that we dont have.


agreed...