Satanisim, Whats your opinion Options

[I_LiKe_PiRaTeZ]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

[jarnifer]

i guess you have a copy of the Satanic Bible by LaVey?

[F_L_I_P]

o.o

-Phil-

[straightedge9]

errrr look, being a satanist pretty much means you are an evil person and do incredibly bad things....sounds like ur a bit of a poser... but maybe im confused and dont understand this? but then again, there are the assholes who think that dressing in black, listening to rock music, being in your room and having different ideas and morales as some people makes you a satanist... i read this quiz once that said if you were a buddist, practiced hinduism, or were gay or bisexual, then you were a satanist... but i dont believe in that at ALL...

[sammi rules you]

errrr look, being a satanist pretty much means you are an evil person and do incredibly bad things....sounds like ur a bit of a poser... but maybe im confused and dont understand this? but then again, there are the assholes who think that dressing in black, listening to rock music, being in your room and having different ideas and morales as some people makes you a satanist... i read this quiz once that said if you were a buddist, practiced hinduism, or were gay or bisexual, then you were a satanist... but i dont believe in that at ALL...

That's not what being a satanist means. It means you worship Satan. You don't have to be an evil person and do incredibly bad things to worship Satan. What, if you worship God, you're a wonderful person and do incredibly good things? No.

[waccoon]

That's not what being a satanist means. It means you worship Satan. You don't have to be an evil person and do incredibly bad things to worship Satan. What, if you worship God, you're a wonderful person and do incredibly good things? No.

thats not what satanism is. satanism isnt some big cult, oh lets go sacrifice some goats. satanism is the worship and indulgance of oneself. there are certain rules needed to be obeyed. children can never be hurt, malicious actions arent allowed. if someone provokes you repeatedly, you go out of your way to hurt them. satanism isnt a cult,

[ryfitaDF]

well depending on of satanism is worship of one's self or worship of satan, i like both of themm actually.

christians are satanists, if you really think about it. i mean, everyone is so scared of going to hell. if they thought there were no hell nothing would stop them from doing anything. they'd sin like it was nothing. it's all just fear of satan and hell that dictates how christians act.

and how are you gunna say i_like_piratez is a mean evil guy? look at his avatar! "PEACE LOVE AND UNITY IN THE NAME OF LUCIPHER!" hehe.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

errrr look, being a satanist pretty much means you are an evil person and do incredibly bad things....sounds like ur a bit of a poser... but maybe im confused and dont understand this? but then again, there are the assholes who think that dressing in black, listening to rock music, being in your room and having different ideas and morales as some people makes you a satanist... i read this quiz once that said if you were a buddist, practiced hinduism, or were gay or bisexual, then you were a satanist... but i dont believe in that at ALL...

Where the hell did u see that quiz? that f**king pissing me off cause im buddhist pm me and send me the url. And who da hell cares, you can practice what u want, eat what u want and do whatever. Its your choice

[waccoon]

Where the hell did u see that quiz? that f**king pissing me off cause im buddhist pm me and send me the url. And who da hell cares, you can practice what u want, eat what u want and do whatever. Its your choice

That's what satanism is about, indulging in oneself and your own whims.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

That's what satanism is about, indulging in oneself and your own whims.

Ohhhh ok cool

[LaRevolucion]

Hmmm.....so indulging in yourself is a religion? I didn't know that.....I indulge in myself all the time but it's not like i do it religiously. I'm confused

[*Kathleen*]

Meh I don't mind it at all. If that's what they believe in, then let them believe in it themselves. You have no right to interfere with someone's privacy and life like that.

[sadolakced acid]

you want to go over `what exactly what your `religion is?

[Ze world is a Ma...]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

eeerrr im very amused by this not everyday do u meet a satanist please mail me and TELL ME ALL ABOUT IT

and my thoughts: it aint yo life so let them be

[Sumiaki]

Hmmm.....so indulging in yourself is a religion? I didn't know that.....I indulge in myself all the time but it's not like i do it religiously. I'm confused

Overindulgance is supposedly a sin. Like overeating. Yea, i remember hearing that at from my mom's "church" group. I believe he said "Gluttony(sp) is a sin."

[DarkCrescentMoon]

Meh I don't mind it at all. If that's what they believe in, then let them believe in it themselves. You have no right to interfere with someone's privacy and life like that.

kathleen took the words out of my mouth


hmm...i always though satanism was when you worship satan? o.0...

well, i guess i'm wrong

[sikdragon]

the oldest documents containing information on satan are in the jewish bible. yeah satan has power, but his power comes from God's love of us and our right to choose. So you know i think it's funny you're acting all bad ass with your satanistic religion when your fad is going to be slaughtered in the up coming war. dont be afraid, read about it in revelation, i wont tell nobody. but no matter how much you may think you hate me and my God, remember he loves you.


ryfitaDF christians dont do what they do out of fear of hell, it is love of God and the fear of being without him for all eternity, satan is just in hell, he has no dominion over it, his imps and demons are a different story. His goal is to get as many people in hell with him. beelzebub is a temptress of many disguises do not be fooled.

[Boyfriendless]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

modern or traditional?

[Boyfriendless]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

Oh and, your myspace says your athiest.

[Paradox of Life]

You can't even spell Satanism right.

Satanism is not a religion. Satanism never was a religion. There are soo many different views of Satanism and mostly, it's just a way to try and get attention and to piss off Christians. Truthfully, it is just as annoying as Christianity.

[hangfire]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

3 years! that's long. I think satanists choose such "religion"(i don't think it is one) because they don't think any other religion would suit them. Why are you one anyway? I would just like to know so I can ask my professor about it. How do you perceive Satan? it's still quite vague to me and i can't give you an opinion yet unless you answer my questions. I'm not opposing you or anything. I don't particularly believe in any religion although i have one but i'm not a satanist. I believe that there is God and no strings attached. I know bible stories but i don't interpret them bcs the bible has been revised so many times and is subjective to the feelings of the persons who revised it.
I think Satanism is a fad. I mean don't you think that satan (if there is such a being) will just torture you, or maybe you love torture?

[EddieV]

but then again, there are the assholes who think that dressing in black, listening to rock music, being in your room and having different ideas and morales as some people makes you a satanist...

I do that, and I'm Buddhist, but I also practice some of the Christian faith.

[sunissed14127]

I'm not against people who are into Satanism, but I don't belive in it. I guess people just do what they wanna do. But yes, It seems like Satanism & Atheism has become a fad.

[NoSex]

But yes, It seems like Satanism & Atheism has become a fad.

Nothing compared to the world's biggest fad ever! Christianity!

[sunissed14127]

Nothing compared to the world's biggest fad ever! Christianity!

I know, a huge majority is Christian, but I'm just saying that many people are saying their into Satanism/Atheism just because they think it's "cool" and what everyone else is doing.

[NoSex]

I know, a huge majority is Christian, but I'm just saying that many people are saying their into Satanism/Atheism just because they think it's "cool" and what everyone else is doing.

Yeah, I know. Heh heh.
It does happen. However, I wouldn't say many people are doing this. The percentage of people that prescribe to atheism or satanism itself is already so small, and the percentage of those atheists and or satanists who have jumped on board just because they want to look cool, I would suspect, has reached rather minimal margins. However, we can't be positive.

But, it does happen, and is apparent. Rather unfortunate. In the end though, I don't think I would go so far as to call either Atheism or Satanism a fad. Maybe Satanism, but definately not Atheism.

[*kryogenix*]

Yeah, I know. Heh heh.
It does happen. However, I wouldn't say many people are doing this. The percentage of people that prescribe to atheism or satanism itself is already so small, and the percentage of those atheists and or satanists who have jumped on board just because they want to look cool, I would suspect, has reached rather minimal margins. However, we can't be positive.

But, it does happen, and is apparent. Rather unfortunate. In the end though, I don't think I would go so far as to call either Atheism or Satanism a fad. Maybe Satanism, but definately not Atheism.

I don't people become athiest or satanist because they're jumping on some bandwagon. I think she means that some people do such things because they don't want to be tied down by rules. It's easier to confrom when you don't have rules.

[uLoVeMikeRoch]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

Nu Metal isn't about Satanism you idiot.

Nu Metal is like, rapcore and the other Rock, Rap, Metal hybrid genre's.

Bands such as Linkin Park, would be under Nu Metal.

[NoSex]

I don't people become athiest or satanist because they're jumping on some bandwagon. I think she means that some people do such things because they don't want to be tied down by rules. It's easier to confrom when you don't have rules.

The bandwagon fallacy is also known as an appeal to popularity or the argument from popularity. The problem here is that neither Satanism nor Atheism is popular. Although she is right, people do sometimes delve into these circles to look "cool." I have met quite a few of them. I have also met those who have no idea what they are talking about and their intentions are highly dubious. However, I have never really met either a Satanist or an Atheist who seems to have simply become such because they do not want to be "tied down by rules." I think such an occurance is amazingly rare as well as a highly unsophisticated argument.

It seems like most believers think atheists are either contumacious, insane, crazy, or possessed by demons. Either way, they can't seem to take us that seriously in most cases. But, I guess alot of atheists don't take theists that seriously either... but, that may be because they think we are skeptical just because we "don't want to be tied down by rules."

Also, I don't exactly see how no rules make it easier to "conform?"
Isn't it exactly the other way around?
More rules, and the stricter the rules the more conformity?
Such as; "Dress this way. Act this way. Do this. Do that."

[AngryBaby]

lol i think any satinist is a poseur. because at least christians, muslims,buddist etc. can say "oh i worship my god because he/she's done so many good things for me and the world and he/she is our creator,yada yada yada." what the hell can you say about satan? satan stands for evil, he's known for evil, so unless you like the evil stuff, what has he done for you? why is he worthy of your praise? sometimes i just think its like an excuse just to be different, or be a rebel because if ya dont wanna believe in a god wouldnt it just be easier to chill and be agnostic? sorry if im being harsh but ill call out anything that makes no sense. whether its christianity or satanism. and if its its about indulging one's self and crap, cant you just do that without having to worship anything? im just confused someone explain to me.

oh well have fun in hell, sounds like you'll have fun.

[NoSex]

lol i think any satinist is a poseur. because at least christians, muslims,buddist etc. can say "oh i worship my god because he/she's done so many good things for me and the world and he/she is our creator,yada yada yada." what the hell can you say about satan? satan stands for evil, he's known for evil, so unless you like the evil stuff, what has he done for you? why is he worthy of your praise? sometimes i just think its like an excuse just to be different, or be a rebel because if ya dont wanna believe in a god wouldnt it just be easier to chill and be agnostic? sorry if im being harsh but ill call out anything that makes no sense. whether its christianity or satanism. and if its its about indulging one's self and crap, cant you just do that without having to worship anything? im just confused someone explain to me.

oh well have fun in hell, sounds like you'll have fun.

We're talking about modern LaVeyan Satanism. Or at least, I think so. In which case, no one is actually worshiping Satan or believes in a Satan as a real being. Satan is more of a metaphorical and sometimes satiricle symbol.

Also, Satan was once an Angel known as Lucifer (which means, pretty much, Bringer of Light). In some theologies Lucifer nearly had control and dominion over all of earth, including us. If you look at the whole thing, it's a power stuggle. Very political. They way I have always thought of it is that Satan and God are both fighting for your votes in a divine election of sorts. Now, don't judge too fast, you have only heard God's side of the story.

If Satan was real, I bet he would be a pretty groovy guy. Not anything like his egotistical meglomanic counterpart, God.

[*kryogenix*]

The bandwagon fallacy is also known as an appeal to popularity or the argument from popularity. The problem here is that neither Satanism nor Atheism is popular. Although she is right, people do sometimes delve into these circles to look "cool." I have met quite a few of them. I have also met those who have no idea what they are talking about and their intentions are highly dubious. However, I have never really met either a Satanist or an Atheist who seems to have simply become such because they do not want to be "tied down by rules." I think such an occurance is amazingly rare as well as a highly unsophisticated argument.

I've met people who no longer practice their religion faithfuly (or change religion) because they don't like the rules. But we're both using anecdotes here.

It seems like most believers think atheists are either contumacious, insane, crazy, or possessed by demons. Either way, they can't seem to take us that seriously in most cases. But, I guess alot of atheists don't take theists that seriously either... but, that may be because they think we are skeptical just because we "don't want to be tied down by rules."

I think atheiests are misguided, but not crazy or posessed. Nor do I think all of those that do not believe in God are motivated by their disdain for His laws. But it's a motivation for some.

Also, I don't exactly see how no rules make it easier to "conform?"
Isn't it exactly the other way around?
More rules, and the stricter the rules the more conformity?
Such as; "Dress this way. Act this way. Do this. Do that."

That's not conformity, that's obedience.

Having no rules makes it easy to do what others are doing because you are not barred from partaking in a certain activity.

We're talking about modern LaVeyan Satanism. Or at least, I think so. In which case, no one is actually worshiping Satan or believes in a Satan as a real being. Satan is more of a metaphorical and sometimes satiricle symbol.

Yet they do his will...

Just a few questions. Satanism is all about pleasing oneself right? What if you indulge yourself in a way that clashes with one of satanims rules? What is the point of Satanism? The way you put it, it seems just like a way to incite anger and rebel. Where do people who disobey the rules of satanism go when they die?

Also, Satan was once an Angel known as Lucifer (which means, pretty much, Bringer of Light). In some theologies Lucifer nearly had control and dominion over all of earth, including us. If you look at the whole thing, it's a power stuggle. Very political. They way I have always thought of it is that Satan and God are both fighting for your votes in a divine election of sorts. Now, don't judge too fast, you have only heard God's side of the story.

So where's the truth in satanism?

If Satan was real, I bet he would be a pretty groovy guy. Not anything like his egotistical meglomanic counterpart, God.

You're definitely joking here.

[AngryBaby]

We're talking about modern LaVeyan Satanism. Or at least, I think so. In which case, no one is actually worshiping Satan or believes in a Satan as a real being. Satan is more of a metaphorical and sometimes satiricle symbol.

Also, Satan was once an Angel known as Lucifer (which means, pretty much, Bringer of Light). In some theologies Lucifer nearly had control and dominion over all of earth, including us. If you look at the whole thing, it's a power stuggle. Very political. They way I have always thought of it is that Satan and God are both fighting for your votes in a divine election of sorts. Now, don't judge too fast, you have only heard God's side of the story.

If Satan was real, I bet he would be a pretty groovy guy. Not anything like his egotistical meglomanic counterpart, God.

hm, thats dumb. being agnostic is easier.

i wonder what gets someone interested in that in the first place...

[Paradox of Life]

hm, thats dumb. being agnostic is easier.

i wonder what gets someone interested in that in the first place...

No religion is "easier" which is why there are so many different religions. People have different mindsets and whatever they think is fit for them, they'll choose as their religion. I'm more of the 'other' category because I don't like to be controlled by a single doctrine or rule. But back to Satanism, I agree with Satanists being poseurs, because it's not really a religion... and who would choose to be Satanist? Why isn't there a "Church" for Satanists because it would be bombed in a second and because they pretty much have nothing to practice. Satanists are just wanting to get attention, that's all.

[NoSex]

hm, thats dumb. being agnostic is easier.

i wonder what gets someone interested in that in the first place...

People join up for alot of different reasons. However, it seems that the main reason may be that they dislike organized religon but still enjoy the company of "spiritualy" like-minded individuals.

And... agnosticism? Can we please not go there?

No religion is "easier" which is why there are so many different religions. People have different mindsets and whatever they think is fit for them, they'll choose as their religion.

In most cases, sure.

But back to Satanism, I agree with Satanists being poseurs, because it's not really a religion... and who would choose to be Satanist?

Whoa. Way to do a 180.

First People have different "mindsets" now Satanists aren't those people, but poseurs? Hmmm. Alright?

Why isn't there a "Church" for Satanists because it would be bombed in a second and because they pretty much have nothing to practice. Satanists are just wanting to get attention, that's all.

Uhhhh? Yeah.
I don't exactly like Satanism, and I kind of think it is silly and needless, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
There are Satanist churches. They are called The Church of Satan. And, they do gather, and they do practice a great number of traditions designed to mock catholic faith.

And, they obviously aren't bombed in seconds?

[aznxdreamer]

i never really understood satanism, but i guess il state my opinion from what i know about it.
i think its kinda hypocritical in a way that satanists only believe in the devil and not god. if there is a devil, then there is a god. if there wasnt, why worship satan? and the same goes for every religon i guess.
i dont have a problem with satanism. believe in whatever you want, no one should judge you on it. tho when we see some person walking down the streets wearing all black and a bunch of chains and spikes we automatically think that they worship satan.

[alphanumeric]

I have a friend who's Athiest, but he doesn't go showing off. He's pretty normal actually. And hot :P I do think Satanism is becoming a fad, though. Maybe some people do just want to stand out or rebel, but I think others are just fake.

[EddieV]

Not possible, but I do want to get into a fair fist fight with Satan, in a octagonal cage, under MMA rules. Love to see him tap out.

[Dragonfly_babe]

I think if a person wants to worship Satan then it's there choice. I mean I wouldn't want to worship the ruler of everything evil but I was watching a documentary about Satinists and what it means to them. The satanists that they were interviewing said that to them Satanism is all about worshiping yourself and being free to do whatever u feel but they said it's like an alternative to worshiping god because when u worship god he's supposed to be to first priority and you have to live ur life dedicated to him and follow his rules else face eternal damnation.

I thought there was some logic to that but I would never worship the devil because well he's evil but I wouldn't treat someone badly just because of their religious preference. I mean it's their choice.

[EddieV]

I think if a person wants to worship Satan then it's there choice. I mean I wouldn't want to worship the ruler of everything evil but I was watching a documentary about Satinists and what it means to them. The satanists that they were interviewing said that to them Satanism is all about worshiping yourself and being free to do whatever u feel but they said it's like an alternative to worshiping god because when u worship god he's supposed to be to first priority and you have to live ur life dedicated to him and follow his rules else face eternal damnation.

I thought there was some logic to that but I would never worship the devil because well he's evil but I wouldn't treat someone badly just because of their religious preference. I mean it's their choice.

Basically what you said is like Jedi and Sith.

[Mikael]

my opinion of satanism is, its scary to me. very scary. there. i said it.

[subway]

im christian and i have nothing against buddhists satanists and other. i have friends of all.
being a satanist does not mean you do evil things. it just means that you do evil things. you just have different beliefs.

and look at this which i think is really really f**ked up
http://www.answers.com/satanist

and this:
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-satanists?method=22
they list a bunch of satanists like they have to be captured and notified to people.

[NoSex]

[quote]
I've met people who no longer practice their religion faithfuly (or change religion) because they don't like the rules. But we're both using anecdotes here.[/quote]

True.

[quote]
That's not conformity, that's obedience.[/quote]

Main Entry: con·for·mi·ty
Pronunciation: k&n-'for-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : correspondence in form, manner, or character : AGREEMENT <behaved in conformity with her beliefs>
2 : an act or instance of conforming
3 : action in accordance with some specified standard or authority <conformity to social custom>

[quote]
Having no rules makes it easy to do what others are doing because you are not barred from partaking in a certain activity.[/quote]

Which leaves you open to any kind of behavior or activity while rules bar you to specific behavior and activities. You just seem to be disproving your point.

[quote]
Yet they [satanists] do his [satan's] will... [/quote]

Even if this was true, it would still be unintentional.

[quote]
Satanism is all about pleasing oneself right?[/quote]

Not exactly. It has alot to do with moral and intellectual responsibility. In no was is it strictly hedonistic. If your pleasure is derived from insulting and hurting innocent people, Satanist docrtine would not condone such behavior just because you gain pleasure from it.

[quote]
What if you indulge yourself in a way that clashes with one of satanims rules?
[/quote]

You're not supposed to. That's why there are rules.
That's why it's not all about indulging in oneself and one's pleasures.

[quote]
What is the point of Satanism?
[/quote]

Satanists would think that they are making the world a better place, or at least, a better place for themselves.

[quote]
The way you put it, it seems just like a way to incite anger and rebel.[/quote]

They may be the motivation for some, but there is existent intellectual motivation.

[quote]
Where do people who disobey the rules of satanism go when they die?
[/quote]

I bet you are always dieing to use Pascal's wager, huh?
I hope you would be more reasonable than that.

[quote]
So where's the truth in satanism?
[/quote]

I don't think Satanism is about "the truth," or making sweeping statements about "the truth" or about the universe as a whole. However, a Satanist would probably talk to you about rationalistic morality, ethics in general, the poison of most organized religion, human responsibility, and human nature. Remember, I'm not a Satanist, and I think alot of it is utterly needless and kind of silly. But, people have been terribly misunderstood on these forums about the whole thing. Even the people posting after I clear up alot of the misrepresentations are still presenting the same false ideas (i.e. they worship Satan).

[quote]
You're definitely joking here.
[/quote]


Actually, I was being totally serious. Heh heh.

EDIT:::: Why the hell does this QUOTE shit always happen to me?!

[Paradox of Life]

People join up for alot of different reasons. However, it seems that the main reason may be that they dislike organized religon but still enjoy the company of "spiritualy" like-minded individuals.

And... agnosticism? Can we please not go there?
In most cases, sure.
Whoa. Way to do a 180.

First People have different "mindsets" now Satanists aren't those people, but poseurs? Hmmm. Alright?

What I'm trying to say is that Satanism isn't a religion. Therefore, they don't have a religious mindset. Anyone who claims to be a Satanist has no idea what they're talking about.

Uhhhh? Yeah.
I don't exactly like Satanism, and I kind of think it is silly and needless, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
There are Satanist churches. They are called The Church of Satan. And, they do gather, and they do practice a great number of traditions designed to mock catholic faith.

And, they obviously aren't bombed in seconds?

Okay, this is the definition I got of Satanism on Wikipedia:

Satanism is a religious, semi-religious and/or philosophical movement whose adherents recognize Satan as an archetype, pre-cosmic force, actual living entity, or some aspect of human nature. Although named for Satan, a name associated with evil and temptation, Satanism is more commonly the name given to certain spiritual paths which emphasize the Left-Hand Path, as opposed to the much more common Right-Hand Path. Left-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through their own work on themselves, and that ultimately they are answerable only to themselves, while Right-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through the dissolution or submission of the self to (or into) something greater. LaVeyans do not in fact worship a deity called Satan, or necessarily any other deity, nor do they follow a principle of evil. This aspect of their beliefs is very commonly misunderstood due to the presence of theistic Satanists, who revere Satan as a literal being.

Never in my LIFE have I ever run into a Satanist that knew what they were talking about.

I've only seen these Churches of Satan as online forums with a bunch of angsty, rebellious teens complaining about Christanity and talking about their dark lives. I'm sure there wouldn't be a lot of people attending or seriously practicing Satanism in a Church of Satan. And really, they would have to HIDE because no one likes a crazy, angsty Satanist.

Satanism is so subliminal and ambiguous, it can't even really be considered a religion. Or at least no one takes it seriously. It's probably the most controversial of "religions". And before you call me a hypocrite, what I mean by mindsets for religions are like the real, official religions: Judaism, Buddhism, Christanity, Islamic...

[NoSex]

What I'm trying to say is that Satanism isn't a religion.

Uhhh...

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Alright, that clears that up. By definition, Satanism is a religion.

Therefore, they don't have a religious mindset.

Well, I just disproved your premise that Satanism isn't a religion, so... moving on.

Anyone who claims to be a Satanist has no idea what they're talking about.

Seems like a very wide generalization and sweeping statement, however... in what respect do you mean?

Never in my LIFE have I ever run into a Satanist that knew what they were talking about.

What you have, for the most part, demonstrated to me is that, as you seem to have no idea what you are talking about, you may come across much difficultly in understanding what a Satanist may be talking about in the first place. I do suspect a great amount of psychological noise involving your preconceptions on this issue. Nonetheless, such a piece of evidence does not much prove anything.

I've only seen these Churches of Satan as online forums with a bunch of angsty, rebellious teens complaining about Christanity and talking about their dark lives.

That's unfortunate for you. I have had the pleasure to speak with practicing Laveyan Satanists who have visited "Grottos" (Or Churches of Satan). They may complain about Christianity, but I never heard them talk much about their "dark lives." Infact, they seemed to have been enjoying their lives rather throughly.

They even have a priesthood and qualify for tax exemption (Although, they do not seek it.)!

*gasp*

I'm sure there wouldn't be a lot of people attending or seriously practicing Satanism in a Church of Satan.

I wish I could find you a number representing practicing Laveyan Satanists, cause you would be painfully surprised.

And really, they would have to HIDE because no one likes a crazy, angsty Satanist.

Satanism is a protected religious institution. Just as any other in the United States.

Satanism is so subliminal and ambiguous, it can't even really be considered a religion.

Try reading the Satanic Bible by Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey. It is a very detailed, unambiguous, and explicit detailing of the philosophies which govern the Church of Satan.

Or at least no one takes it seriously.

Plenty of people take it seriously. Actually, tons of people do. There was moral hysteria that crossed nationwide during the early 80's concerning the Church of Satan. The church has recieved a great amount of media attention. Many books have been written, seriously, on the subject. The Church exists and has many practicing members today, an active priesthood, an on-going "blackmass" (Much like Catholic mass), and an increasing membership.

I happen to know some of them.

It's probably the most controversial of "religions". And before you call me a hypocrite, what I mean by mindsets for religions are like the real, official religions: Judaism, Buddhism, Christanity, Islamic...

"Real, official religions."



Alright, read about Laveyan Satanism before you start to talk again. This is pathetic.

[EddieV]

I gotta bring you guys into the Subways and Staten Island Ferry's. You can probably counter those "prophets".

[vash1530]

just another religion....

[*kryogenix*]

Main Entry: con·for·mi·ty
Pronunciation: k&n-'for-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : correspondence in form, manner, or character : AGREEMENT <behaved in conformity with her beliefs>
2 : an act or instance of conforming
3 : action in accordance with some specified standard or authority <conformity to social custom>

I'm talking connotation here. Conformity is more associated with de facto standards and expectations, such as clothing, hairstyles, etc. It is done in order to fit in. Obedience is done out of respect for a higher authority.

Which leaves you open to any kind of behavior or activity while rules bar you to specific behavior and activities. You just seem to be disproving your point.

Disproving my own point? Perhaps you're misunderstanding. Having a moral guideline prevents one from participating in immoral activities, therefore, hindering one's ability to conform.

Even if this was true, it would still be unintentional.

Yet the practice is in Satan's namesake.

Not exactly. It has alot to do with moral and intellectual responsibility. In no was is it strictly hedonistic. If your pleasure is derived from insulting and hurting innocent people, Satanist docrtine would not condone such behavior just because you gain pleasure from it.

So exactly what is the point of Satanism?

You're not supposed to. That's why there are rules.
That's why it's not all about indulging in oneself and one's pleasures.

What about selfless people? Do satanists condemn them? Sounds contradictory to me.

Satanists would think that they are making the world a better place, or at least, a better place for themselves.

What if making the world a better place for yourself comes at the expense of someone else?

They may be the motivation for some, but there is existent intellectual motivation.

So why not study human psychology instead of subscribing to a cult that doesn't even believe in the being it is named after?

I bet you are always dieing to use Pascal's wager, huh?
I hope you would be more reasonable than that.

Pascal's Wager is one of the weaker arguements when trying to get someone to believe in God.

I was trying to point out how ridiculous Satanism is. Where do you go after you die if you don't subscribe to Satanist beliefs? Heaven?

EDIT:::: Why the hell does this QUOTE shit always happen to me?!

It happens when you overuse the quote tag. Or, you're forgetting to close.

[NoSex]

I'm talking connotation here. Conformity is more associated with de facto standards and expectations, such as clothing, hairstyles, etc. It is done in order to fit in. Obedience is done out of respect for a higher authority.

So, your argument was just based on a vast generalization that nonbelievers don't respect higher authority, and that believers do? Silly.

Disproving my own point? Perhaps you're misunderstanding. Having a moral guideline prevents one from participating in immoral activities, therefore, hindering one's ability to conform.

Not all people living under a moral guideline abstain from "immoral activities."
On top of that, many of these people have adopted their moral guidelines in an act of conformity in the first place.

Yet the practice is in Satan's namesake.

It might as well be satiricle.

So exactly what is the point of Satanism?

I already answered that. Refer to previous posts.

What about selfless people? Do satanists condemn them? Sounds contradictory to me.

They do not condemn, they merely have pitty for them. In many cases, I would imgaine a satanist finding a selfless person to be very foolish.

What if making the world a better place for yourself comes at the expense of someone else?

I already explained that Satanism does not follow a hedonistic philosophy. In general, Satanists abstain from causing harm to others.

So why not study human psychology instead of subscribing to a cult that doesn't even believe in the being it is named after?

Uhhhh? There are alot of reasons, but at this point I just don't think you are willing to or able to listen to them.

Not to mention, Satanism is not a cult. Heck, Catholicism much more closely resembles the definition of a cult.

Pascal's Wager is one of the weaker arguements when trying to get someone to believe in God.

Weaker arguments? It's a fallacious argument.

I was trying to point out how ridiculous Satanism is. Where do you go after you die if you don't subscribe to Satanist beliefs? Heaven?

This in no way points out how ridiculous Satanism may or may not be. Satanists, generally, do not believe in an afterlife. So, if you don't believe or subscribe to Satanist doctrine, you will rot in the ground just like anyone else.

[*swtcherriipie*]

Hmm... Ive been raised with cristian morals and i have a very open mind the two together are a very good combination so i guess that everyone should just choose who and what they wish to follow and should never have anything impossed upon them... Yes its true that religion is highly frowned upon but you as an american citizen (im guessing you are) have the right to follow whatever religion you want.

[imm]

I personally think Satanism is quite...contradictory. Satanism is the revolution of Christianty, but Satan exists only in Christianity (and some other religions, but that's besides the point).

[Joss-eh-lime]

i dont care if its the fad or not.
even if there was no heaven hell god or satan
satanism just sounds wrong

[flc]

Satanism is not a religion. Satanism never was a religion.

Exactly. For something to be a religion, don't you have to have a deity to worship? As Waccoon defined it, Satanism is basically indulging yourself, he never said anything about actually worshipping Satan.

It's just like Buddhism. It's not a religion. It's only a way of life.

[Anielka]

I'm not for or against satanists. It's just another way of life. If someone tries to dictate the way such a large group lives then they're an a-hole.

[*swtcherriipie*]

Exactly. For something to be a religion, don't you have to have a deity to worship? As Waccoon defined it, Satanism is basically indulging yourself, he never said anything about actually worshipping Satan.

It's just like Buddhism. It's not a religion. It's only a way of life.

You know i never saw it that way... So bassically satanism is a minority group? Im kinda confused...

[*disco infiltrator*]

... When in the world did she even allude to the fact that Satanism is a minority?...........

She said Satanism is a way of life, not a religion. Absolutely nothing about the number of followers it has acquired.

[flc]

... When in the world did she even allude to the fact that Satanism is a minority?...........

She said Satanism is a way of life, not a religion. Absolutely nothing about the number of followers it has acquired.

Well in this country, compared to Christianity, Satanism definitely is a minority..

[*disco infiltrator*]

I know that it's true, but you never said anything about it being a minority in your post.

[NoSex]

Exactly. For something to be a religion, don't you have to have a deity to worship? As Waccoon defined it, Satanism is basically indulging yourself, he never said anything about actually worshipping Satan.

It's just like Buddhism. It's not a religion. It's only a way of life.

"Religion is commonly defined as a group of beliefs concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. [1]"

Main Entry: religious
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French religieus, from Latin religiosus, from religio
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>
2 : of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances
3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : FERVENT, ZEALOUS

It isn't required that you worship a deity to be considered religous. Nor is it required that a system of belief recognize a deity to be considered a religion. Such a definition is far to narrow and exclusive.

Although Satanists do not worship a deity, Satanism is certaintly still a religion because of it's ultimate view on reality, it's traditions, practices, moral codes, and dogmatic attitudes to all of these things. Buddhism is also a religion. Although Satanism and Buddhism may also be recognized as philosophies of sorts, they are most certaintly still religions.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm not for or against satanists. It's just another way of life. If someone tries to dictate the way such a large group lives then they're an a-hole.

So I guess you're all for anarchy then huh?

[flc]

It isn't required that you worship a deity to be considered religous. Nor is it required that a system of belief recognize a deity to be considered a religion. Such a definition is far to narrow and exclusive.

Although Satanists do not worship a deity, Satanism is certaintly still a religion because of it's ultimate view on reality, it's traditions, practices, moral codes, and dogmatic attitudes to all of these things. Buddhism is also a religion. Although Satanism and Buddhism may also be recognized as philosophies of sorts, they are most certaintly still religions.

Ahh, thank you for clearing that up.

And Kryogenix..Anielka never said she was for anything. She just said she wasn't going to interfere with stuff that's got nothing to do with her.

[priyas]

who worships satan??? i mean GOD is better.

[flc]

who worships satan??? i mean GOD is better.

..

It all depends on who would cater better to your needs. But previously stated in earlier posts, Satanism isn't actually the worship of the devil.

[broken inside]

I can not be supportive of traditional satanism. Anyone who kills animals is heartless.

[no-name]

who worships satan??? i mean GOD is better.

Stupid stuff like this just wants me to choke someone. Explain to me why?


I am not a satanist by the way

[twinkles6801]

wow, i didnt know people really worship the devil, i didnt really think that was possible, i dont get it, sounds weird to me for someone to want to call them selves a satianist or whatever.

[rAwritsgWeg]

Yea it is being exploited, and for like the wrong reasons. People are idiots.

[kimmytree]

I dont believe in a Satan or Hell.

Why would God have created Satan?

[MrStrife]

Atheism and Satanism are not the same things. I'm atheist and I don't worship Lucifer that bastard. lol jk. I know what's right, what's wrong and live my life by that. Kharma is without a doubt real. I think Satanists are just pissed off about Christianity and hate god so they want to in turn piss them off. But hey if you really believe in Satan, go ahead. I'm just saying it seems that people who want to be badass use it as a core excuse.

[elaboratedream]

I can not be supportive of traditional satanism. Anyone who kills animals is heartless.

but in LaVey's Satanism, needlessly killing animals is forbidden in the eleven satanic rules of the earth. "Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food."

I dont believe in a Satan or Hell.

Why would God have created Satan?

I'm a Satanist, and I dont believe in Hell, nor do I believe in Satan in the way that Christians do.
In Satanism, "Satan" is more of a metaphor.

wow, i didnt know people really worship the devil, i didnt really think that was possible, i dont get it, sounds weird to me for someone to want to call them selves a satianist or whatever.

how many times does this have to be explained for you people to finally understand it? Satanism is not the worship of the devil.

[cori-catastrophe]

I dont believe in a Satan or Hell.

Why would God have created Satan?

It says in the Holy Bible that there is, in fact, Satan & Hell & God created them both, just as he created everything else. When he first created Satan, it was the purpose of everyone else being created & that is to spread God's word. Satan made himself one that was evil & twisted, which is particially the reason that everyone on Earth has gotten religions twisted. Satan beilieved that he was more powerful than God, which was a major sin, especially for an angel. Therefore, God kicked him out of Heaven & into Damnation. I dunno if that made any sense or not but I am a new Christian so I am not that informed on the subject yet.

[brandewijn]

I really don't care if you believe my pet fish made the universe and gave you life or if you believe it is satan. Fish, satan, poo, it's all the same to me. I don't care what you believe or who you worship, so long as it doesn't affect me.

[Joss-eh-lime]

That's not what being a satanist means. It means you worship Satan. You don't have to be an evil person and do incredibly bad things to worship Satan. What, if you worship God, you're a wonderful person and do incredibly good things? No.

so does that mean satan is good? perfect?
why would anyone worship him..what does he have to offer?

[elaboratedream]

so does that mean satan is good? perfect?
why would anyone worship him..what does he have to offer?

For the last time, Satanists dont worship Satan
Next time, read the posts. This has been established many times so far.

[sweetangel2128]

I think it's evil and wrong but hey it's your choice, whatever makes you happy.

Satanism in my opinion is a RELIGION because a religion is basically a belief.

For the last time, Satanists dont worship Satan
Next time, read the posts. This has been established many times so far.

Oh really? Well I looked up the word Satanism which is the same as a Satanist, a Satanist is a person who believes in Satanism heres the definition of Satanism:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[seyt-n-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

[elaboratedream]

I think it's evil and wrong but hey it's your choice, whatever makes you happy.

Satanism in my opinion is a RELIGION because a religion is basically a belief.

Well I looked up the word Satanism which is the same as a Satanist, a Satanist is a person who believes in Satanism heres the definition of Satanism:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[seyt-n-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

If you knew shit about MODERN DAY Satanism, you'd know that it no longer has anything to do with that.
for one to worship or believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being, one would actually be involved with a perverse form of Christianity.

In modern day satanism, "satan" is more of a metaphor.
The Nine Satanic Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

[sweetangel2128]

If you knew shit about MODERN DAY Satanism, you'd know that it no longer has anything to do with that.
for one to worship or believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being, one would actually be involved with a perverse form of Christianity.

In modern day satanism, "satan" is more of a metaphor.
The Nine Satanic Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

First of all, I didn't know cussing was aloud on the forums. In my OPINION satanism is and will always be exactly what I said...I don't care what you think, I know the definition and no matter what time period it is, it will ALWAYS mean the same exact thing...I think the only reason you say modern day is because most people choose to believe in what Satanism really means, but we already know the "true" meaning....and I have no idea where you got all your info 1-9..most of it I find extremely funny.

Like I said dude, you have your own beliefs, I have mine

[elaboratedream]

First of all, I didn't know cussing was aloud on the forums. In my OPINION satanism is and will always be exactly what I said...I don't care what you think, I know the definition and no matter what time period it is, it will ALWAYS mean the same exact thing...

That's like saying "In my opinion, Christianity is really about worshipping airplanes"
Its not an opinion. It's fact. Satanism is not about worshipping the christian Satan.

and I have no idea where you got all your info 1-9..most of it I find extremely funny.

I got my "info 1-9" from the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, founder of modern day satanism. I'm pretty sure that counts as a creditable source.

..I think the only reason you say modern day is because most people choose to believe in what Satanism really means, but we already know the "true" meaning....

I didn't quite understand that setence, but I'll reply to what I got out of it.
I say "modern day Satanism" because The Church of Satan was established recently. (on April 30, 1966.) and I wouldn't want it to be confused with any other form of "satanism" that existed prior to that date.

[sweetangel2128]

That's like saying "In my opinion, Christianity is really about worshipping airplanes"
Its not an opinion. It's fact. Satanism is not about worshipping the christian Satan.
I got my "info 1-9" from the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, founder of modern day satanism. I'm pretty sure that counts as a creditable source.
I didn't quite understand that setence, but I'll reply to what I got out of it.
I say "modern day Satanism" because The Church of Satan was established recently. (on April 30, 1966.) and I wouldn't want it to be confused with any other form of "satanism" that existed prior to that date.

Exactly, it's your opinion..I got mine you've got yours.

You say it's not the same Satan...well that really doesn't make any sense because there is ONLY one Satan and ONLY one God, there is God that created everything and then theres Satan that tries to destroy everything and everyone. But like I said, I understand it's your beliefs and I respect that. But when I think of Satan and Satanism, I think bad things but like I said that's my own opinion and I am not going to sit here and judge you for thinking any differently on the matter, if you want to believe in all that stuff, I don't care, it's your life not mine.

[elaboratedream]

Exactly, it's your opinion..I got mine you've got yours.

You say it's not the same Satan...well that really doesn't make any sense because there is ONLY one Satan and ONLY one God, there is God that created everything and then theres Satan that tries to destroy everything and everyone. But like I said, I understand it's your beliefs and I respect that. But when I think of Satan and Satanism, I think bad things but like I said that's my own opinion and I am not going to sit here and judge you for thinking any differently on the matter, if you want to believe in all that stuff, I don't care, it's your life not mine.

It's not about opinion. I dont care if you believe in the teachings of Satanism, I'm just stating facts. Modern day Satanism in no way recognizes Satan as an antropormorphic being. That's all I'm saying.

You can't have an opinion about that part. Like I said earlier, that would be like saying that in your opinion, Christianity recognizes the great Fed Ex Airplane as creator of all and thus worships it.

I recognize that you can have an opinion about whether or not the religion is right, and you're free to do so. I dont particularly care whether you believe in any of it.

I'm just trying to educate you a bit by telling you what the religion really is. I'm only stating facts. those facts are not subject to debate. There is no question as to what the church teaches, it is written very clearly. Whether or not the teachings are right is an entirely different question, and you may have whatever opinion you like on that matter.

[sweetangel2128]

It's not about opinion. I dont care if you believe in the teachings of Satanism, I'm just stating facts. Modern day Satanism in no way recognizes Satan as an antropormorphic being. That's all I'm saying.

You can't have an opinion about that part. Like I said earlier, that would be like saying that in your opinion, Christianity recognizes the great Fed Ex Airplane as creator of all and thus worships it.

I recognize that you can have an opinion about whether or not the religion is right, and you're free to do so. I dont particularly care whether you believe in any of it.

I'm just trying to educate you a bit by telling you what the religion really is. I'm only stating facts. those facts are not subject to debate. There is no question as to what the church teaches, it is written very clearly. Whether or not the teachings are right is an entirely different question, and you may have whatever opinion you like on that matter.

You have your beliefs, I have mine

[elaboratedream]

You have your beliefs, I have mine

Its fine that you have your own beliefs, I dont care. I'm just saying that there are certain things that are facts.
It is fact that Satanists do not worship the Christian Satan.
That's not something that can be debated.
and if you really think that it can be debated, justify your answer. give me facts to support it. This is a debate, and thats what you do in debates. You give facts to support your statements.
I've given you the facts to support my statements. I quoted Anton Szander LaVey, the most reliable source on the subject seeing as he created the religion.
if you really think you can prove me wrong, go ahead. if not, shut the f**k up cuz you dont know what you're talking about.

[sweetangel2128]

Its fine that you have your own beliefs, I dont care. I'm just saying that there are certain things that are facts.
It is fact that Satanists do not worship the Christian Satan.
That's not something that can be debated.
and if you really think that it can be debated, justify your answer. give me facts to support it. This is a debate, and thats what you do in debates. You give facts to support your statements.
I've given you the facts to support my statements. I quoted Anton Szander LaVey, the most reliable source on the subject seeing as he created the religion.
if you really think you can prove me wrong, go ahead. if not, shut the f**k up cuz you dont know what you're talking about.

Read the rules hun! Don't disrespect another memeber

[elaboratedream]

Read the rules hun! Don't disrespect another memeber

okay, i apologize, Heather.
however, I would like you to pay attention to the rules of debate, and back up your statements with FACTS

[sweetangel2128]

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okay, i apologize, Heather.
however, I would like you to pay attention to the rules of debate, and back up your statements with FACTS

Apology accepted.

The only proof I have is the fact that the Dictonary tells of what it means. When did this guy create the religion? When was it written in the dictionary? I know, Satanism and Satanists have been around for a VERY VERY long time.

Give me proof of your facts? You can't say that this guy is your proof since the religion has been around for a VERY long time and just because this guy created it doesn't mean anything, anyone can create a religion...I mean hell theres the flying spagetti monster...like I said that's a religion also in case you didn't know, so just because it's a religion and it says it's real doesn't mean it's real and all facts.

[elaboratedream]

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The only proof I have is the fact that the Dictonary tells of what it means. When did this guy create the religion? When was it written in the dictionary? I know, Satanism and Satanists have been around for a VERY VERY long time.

Give me proof of your facts? You can't say that this guy is your proof since the religion has been around for a VERY long time and just because this guy created it doesn't mean anything, anyone can create a religion...I mean hell theres the flying spagetti monster...like I said that's a religion also in case you didn't know,

As I stated earlier, Anton Szander LaVey founded The Church of Satan on April 30, 1966.
Throughout this debate, I have been referring to "modern day satanism" and by that, I mean the form of Satanism founded by LaVey. This entire topic is referring to that form of Satanism.

so just because it's a religion and it says it's real doesn't mean it's real and all facts.

I'm not saying that the teachings are true. I dont care what you believe on that matter. I'm just telling you what the teachings are.

[sweetangel2128]

As I stated earlier, Anton Szander LaVey founded The Church of Satan on April 30, 1966.
Throughout this debate, I have been referring to "modern day satanism" and by that, I mean the form of Satanism founded by LaVey. This entire topic is referring to that form of Satanism.
I'm not saying that the teachings are true. I dont care what you believe on that matter. I'm just telling you what the teachings are.

Well to me Satanism is Satanism, he may have created the religion in 1966 but wasn't the word Satanism or Satanists created LONG before the religion was created???

[elaboratedream]

Well to me Satanism is Satanism, he may have created the religion in 1966 but wasn't the word Satanism or Satanists created LONG before the religion was created???

There is NOTHING in common between the Satanism of the past and the Satanism of today. The only thing they have in common is the name. the "satanism" you refer to is the worship of Satan as the Christians believe in him. Modern day Satanism has nothing to do with that. Modern day Satanists are atheists. Modern day Satanists don't believe in god, jesus or satan.

Maybe there are still a few people who worship the christian satan, but the fact remains that they are two completely different religions that have no connection whatsoever.

this isn't something that can be debated. this is FACT.

[sweetangel2128]

There is NOTHING in common between the Satanism of the past and the Satanism of today. The only thing they have in common is the name. the "satanism" you refer to is the worship of Satan as the Christians believe in him. Modern day Satanism has nothing to do with that. Modern day Satanists are atheists. Modern day Satanists don't believe in god, jesus or satan.

Maybe there are still a few people who worship the christian satan, but the fact remains that they are two completely different religions that have no connection whatsoever.

this isn't something that can be debated. this is FACT.

Then why don't you just call yourself an Atheist...I'm an Agnostic by the way...

[elaboratedream]

Then why don't you just call yourself an Atheist...I'm an Agnostic by the way...

because there's much more to Satanism than that.
Yes, Satanists are Atheists. but there's a lot more to it.

[sweetangel2128]

because there's much more to Satanism than that.
Yes, Satanists are Atheists. but there's a lot more to it.

Well I disagree I don't think ALL Atheists are Satanists since you claim there's more to it. It's like saying all black people play basketball..I mean come on....

[elaboratedream]

Well I disagree I don't think ALL Atheists are Satanists since you claim there's more to it. It's like saying all black people play basketball..I mean come on....

I didn't say that all Atheists are Satanists. I was saying that all Satanists are Atheists. There's a difference.

[sweetangel2128]

I didn't say that all Atheists are Satanists. I was saying that all Satanists are Atheists. There's a difference.

Oops sorry about that! I was tired when I read that lol

[Joss-eh-lime]

For the last time, Satanists dont worship Satan
Next time, read the posts. This has been established many times so far.

What the heck do they do then?
Deny God? Worship goats? Wear black? Burn bibles?

whatever..i just think it's a way for people to rebel.

[sweetangel2128]

Worship goats?

Do people actually do that????? lmao

[elaboratedream]

What the heck do they do then?
Deny God? Worship goats? Wear black? Burn bibles?

whatever..i just think it's a way for people to rebel.

well actually, if you must know, Satanism is all about sacrificing virgins and drinking the blood of cows, although we have been known to eat small children as well.

[Joss-eh-lime]

^oh really? thanks ill add that to the list of why im not a satanist!

[sweetangel2128]

^oh really? thanks ill add that to the list of why im not a satanist!

*Agreed* lol...but yeah, that's what I always believed but as for him/her, I think they are being sarcastic.

[Joss-eh-lime]

^yeaa i know i was being sarcastic too ;]

[elaboratedream]

^oh really? thanks ill add that to the list of why im not a satanist!

aww... but its so much fun!
I mean, I was a bit skeptical at first too. But the first time I sacrificed a virgin... man, I knew this religion was for me.
Now, on the other hand, cow's blood isnt as delicious as it may sound...

i just think it's a way for people to rebel.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who convert to Satanism in an attempt to rebel. I find those people thoroughly disgusting, as I'm sure LaVey would have.
Those people give us a bad name. Most of them have never read a word of LaVey's writing. They've never so much as met a true Satanist.
But I assure you, not everyone is like that.