Wishes and Physics, somewhat more of a logical debate.. Options

[EmeraldKnight]

I found this on another forum and its pretty interesting.. what do you people think?

Basically, the scenario was that I wished that I had never wished for something.

Now, would wishing to have never wished for the previous wish create another dimension, or simply destroy everything that existed beyond that point, and start from that point, or rewrite the point in time that is now "blank"

I understand that if you go back in time to, lets say, kill yourself, you wouldn't have been able to kill yourself, so you have infinite recursion, or simpll a dimensional breaking point.

And if you travel into the future, you simply don't exist, and if you travel into the past 2 seconds earlier, and keep doing that, you can create matter from nothing, which is pretty cool...

So with the wish... how does it work? lol

Read and think carefully anyone.. I wouldn't be surprised if this gives you headaches...

[Levy2k6]

that stuff is pretty confusing... it's like stuff out of Back To The Future...

i actually got lost and had to read it twice... so what's the question now?

[EmeraldKnight]

The question is, "What would happen if I were to wish that I had never wished for anything?"

And yes, I'm somewhat of a science dork that likes this sort of thing

[DavidxN]

well i think that it'll go to your 2nd wish like at first you wished that uhhh you had a perfect body then your 2nd wish was that you wished u never worked out at all....then your body will be like it was before your first wish but you still would have gone thru everything with your normal body...i dunno im confused still

[x hYpErRoSeY x]

gimme an advil plz xD

[black_cloud10]

wishing you had never wished for anything cancels itself out... in the process of undoing all your previous wishes, it would undo the wish the you had never made any wishes. its a dangerous wish to make, i mean what happens if once you had wished you had a friend or a nonabusive (insert relationshipname here) you could wind up unwishing yourself into hell. that's why all good fairies know you never grant big wishes.

[EmeraldKnight]

wishing you had never wished for anything cancels itself out... in the process of undoing all your previous wishes, it would undo the wish the you had never made any wishes

How would that work, if it canceled itself out and undid that wish that I had never made any wishes, then why would everything be undone?

Scenario you're presenting:
1. Several wishes
2. Wishing to have never wished
3. Undoes #1
4. Undoes #2
5. Since #2 is undone, then #1 is reinstated
6. But #2 also comes back into effect, which restarts the loop at #3...

So... what you're saying.. in effect, is that it creates an endless loop of sorts..

I apologize for any headaches or confusion that this thread may have caused anyone..

[black_cloud10]

exactly. its too cosmatic...the universe would collapse within itself from all the overworking

[*Kathleen*]

Hmm...then I suppose it's just some endless cycle that repeats itself...is that what you believe? That's what it looks like to me.

[black_cloud10]

yeah kathleen... but i also believe the world would bust from overload.... its like telling a blonde in a circular room to stand in a corner. the brain would explode.

[EmeraldKnight]

What makes you so sure that it'll explode?

[black_cloud10]

i dunno... if i was the earth trying to do all that work, redo wish, undo wish, redo, undo.... etc etc etc... i'd explode. thats overkill... the heat energy released from all the activity would probably melt the earth anyway lol

[*Kathleen*]

its like telling a blonde in a circular room to stand in a corner. the brain would explode.

Hahaha. I found that funny.

i dunno... if i was the earth trying to do all that work, redo wish, undo wish, redo, undo.... etc etc etc... i'd explode. thats overkill... the heat energy released from all the activity would probably melt the earth anyway lol

For the sake of debate, what about the cycle that goes on today? Think about it. People have jobs they do constantly. That doesn't mean the world is going to explode.

[black_cloud10]

so maybe it depends on who's doing the wishing and unwishing??? who controls the Wish Company???

[MrElsewhere]

hmm..i thnk its lyke a reset point(or w.e its called) on a windows XP..

wen u mess up u can clik on da reset point n it'll go bak to da way it waz b4 u effed upped..

so if u wish to have a cell fone n den wish u didnt wish dat den ur cell fone would be gone..she didnt have to add all da other stuff ta confuse da sh*t outta me..its lyke a math word problem..too much excess info

[EmeraldKnight]

so maybe it depends on who's doing the wishing and unwishing??? who controls the Wish Company???

Haha

so if u wish to have a cell fone n den wish u didnt wish dat den ur cell fone would be gone..she didnt have to add all da other stuff ta confuse da sh*t outta me..its lyke a math word problem..too much excess info

Err.. the info was just to provide examples..

The question at hand.. ignoring all other wishes, is that if you were to wish that you had never wished, what would happen?

I guess it's kinda like wishing you were never born.. because if wish were granted, then you wouldn't have been able to make the wish..so what would happen then?

[*Kathleen*]

I guess it's kinda like wishing you were never born.. because if wish were granted, then you wouldn't have been able to make the wish..so what would happen then?

Hmm now that I think about it, maybe time goes on. I mean, you wish a bunch of things, you wish that you never wished, and you go back to where you started before you ever wished.

[xjjajeengx]

I agree with kathleen. dude, im getting so confused tho. i get what everyone else is saying except for the topic poster hahah im so lost.

iagree with the reset thing tho. its like, if you wish you never hd wished, then it goes back. dunno about eh cancelling out thing tho.

[sadolakced acid]

more confusing is quantum mechanics. i'm reading a book now and my head hurts.

that's simple- wishes don't come true, and you can't travel in time.

but quantum mechanics is real. shine a light through a card with two slits, and 6 bars of light show on the other side.

4 extra bars, you figure it out.

[EmeraldKnight]

more confusing is quantum mechanics. i'm reading a book now and my head hurts.

that's simple- wishes don't come true, and you can't travel in time.

but quantum mechanics is real. shine a light through a card with two slits, and 6 bars of light show on the other side.

4 extra bars, you figure it out.

Quantum mechanics is easy.. well the stuff that we did was..

ok ok, its a very theoretical scenario.. it doesn't matter if it oculd happen or not, but what would happen if it were to occur.. blah xp

Wait.. are you sure that's quantum mechanics? sounds like what we learn in AP Physics B (electromagnetism) here..

And though time travel isn't possible now, how do you know we cannot find a way; new scientific breakthroughs and innovations were discovered by dreamers, at one point, nothing of what we have in today's modern world existed.. just because it doesn't exist now doesn't mean it's not possible

I agree with kathleen. dude, im getting so confused tho. i get what everyone else is saying except for the topic poster  hahah im so lost.

iagree with the reset thing tho. its like, if you wish you never hd wished, then it goes back. dunno about eh cancelling out thing tho

Err.. sorrie for getting you lost..

But ok, if it goes back, then what? Would you have a chance to wish all over again?

[sadolakced acid]

well, the 6 bars are made by an interference pattern. however, if one photon is fired at a time, the same pattern turns out.

it's like the photon went both ways.

[EmeraldKnight]

well, the 6 bars are made by an interference pattern. however, if one photon is fired at a time, the same pattern turns out.

it's like the photon went both ways.

Um.. back to the topic? I'd rather wait till school starts to discuss ^

[sadolakced acid]

'sigh. school starts monday for me.

alright, let's go with timetravel.

you can't go to the past. think, in the millions of years in the future, if it's posssible they would have invented time travel and come back already.

and, the presence of you in the past would disrupt time, but you aren't suppost to be there, even if you don't kill youself.

it's a paradox, you're being in the past will change the future, to the point where you would have never gone tothe future. it can't exist.


3+5= (once you get 8 , the three turns to a two.) the answer is 8 unless you answer 8, then the answer is 7.

a paradox- you can never be right.

[EmeraldKnight]

'sigh. school starts monday for me.

alright, let's go with timetravel.

you can't go to the past. think, in the millions of years in the future, if it's posssible they would have invented time travel and come back already.

and, the presence of you in the past would disrupt time, but you aren't suppost to be there, even if you don't kill youself.

it's a paradox, you're being in the past will change the future, to the point where you would have never gone tothe future. it can't exist.


3+5= (once you get 8 , the three turns to a two.) the answer is 8 unless you answer 8, then the answer is 7.

a paradox- you can never be right.

Have you proof that they haven't come back? How do you know that being in the past will change the future? Couldn't you just observe things as they occur but not take part in them? Time travel is completely theoretical, yet you speak of it as if you know exactly what happens.. and what the heck do you mean with the 3+5=8 thing..

[sadolakced acid]

you cannot obeserve something without changing it. a fact of life. say you're taking the tempurature of a glass of water. the water warms up the themometer, giving you your reading.

but the themometer cools the water ever so slightly. not a big deal when it's a glass.

but a drop of water- you could seriourly alter the temperature.

[EmeraldKnight]

you cannot obeserve something without changing it. a fact of life. say you're taking the tempurature of a glass of water. the water warms up the themometer, giving you your reading.

but the themometer cools the water ever so slightly. not a big deal when it's a glass.

but a drop of water- you could seriourly alter the temperature.

Realli? So what about hidden security cameras? Lots of people are observed by those, are they changed?

[Guarneri]

puhahahaha

anyways....









do you think this thing called TIME would really work if the present can control the past and the future?

future becomes present and present becomes past. Time can only go forward.

if time travel exists then this world would be a perfect place. have you seen that movie.... um... i forgot the title.... uhhh.... the one with tom cruise..... MINORITY REPORT.... see?

and also... if we could go back in time... hey maybe we could go and meet JESUS. hahahaahahah... then we could go and kill hitler... PUHAHAHA dream on.



ok. i think what i just said was totally irrelevant to this topic........ BLAH.







this topic's too confusing for my small little brain.




what's the point of arguing? what are people arguing about? if time travel can be done then those people who believe it can be done go and make it. the rest of us we just sit and entertain ourselves with einstein wanna bes trying to make the pigs fly.




*LOOK up there!!!!! it's an eagle... NO it's SUPERMAN.... NOOOoo it's a PIG!!!!!*


lol... ok ok... sorry it's kinda late... i should sleep...

by the way i failed my physics AP.


OOOOH... and i don't believe in the EVOLUTION theory... maybe when we can go back in time we can prove those stupid scientists to shove their theories up their BUTTIES.

oh yes... i remember those days... we were all once this little cells

k i'm going to sleep.

[sadolakced acid]

it affects them, but because of the distances, and stuff. it's not that great.

the effects are not apparent on a large scale.

but it's like the butterfly effect.

when you turn on the camera, it abosorbs photons. instead of reflecting them. so there are less photons coming from the direction of the camera, a mininal difference, but yes a difference.

say these photons would have hit the person's skin, oh, by them selves, not at all harmful. but the straw that breaks the camel's back. they push the total photons to the point that the person now gets cancer. so if the camera is on, the person gets skin cancer a few seconds later.

not a big deal, you say, and it isn't, yet.
so now they had cancer a second later, but it just happens that a second later the subject has turned. how the cancer has formed on face, not arm. you have changed this.

the cancer on the arm would show as a mole first. not a big deal, not something you'd go to the doctor for. but the mole on the face, that's a big deal. so the subject goes to the doctor to see about it, and get's it removed.

so if you'd never turned on the camera, they would have had skin cancer on thier arm, causing thme to die. because you turned on the camera, they live.


it's a strech tho. effects that big, like someone's life, take a long time to happen.


think of time as a fabric. it you were to break a thread somewhere, no big deal. but as time passes, it forms a hole that gets bigger and bigger.

[F1R3B4T]

how are u so positive that your wishes will come true?

[Ze world is a Ma...]

ii get it and most of the stuff i want to say are said

[acidbreeze]

I wouldn't want to go in time.. I'm satisified with what I have done with my life so far, and I think if I went back in time, I would forget to do something important, or I would make another choice on something that would ruin my current state. I don't really understand how if I went in the past, EVERYTHING in the "future" would never happened.
There would be tons of things I would never get the change to do again.

[gerundio]

you cannot obeserve something without changing it. a fact of life. say you're taking the tempurature of a glass of water. the water warms up the themometer, giving you your reading.

but the themometer cools the water ever so slightly. not a big deal when it's a glass.

but a drop of water- you could seriourly alter the temperature.

i agree with this completely

also i just see wishes as urself puttin out energy into the world and the universe does what it can to bring it too u.

im born baptized and confirmed roman catholic but i completely believe all that wiccan stuff about all good and bad intentions come back to u.

[heyyfrankie]

The question is, "What would happen if I were to wish that I had never wished for anything?"

i think that if you did that (^) whatever you wished would disappear.

i don't know what is up with the whole new dimension thing. besides, i don't even know what a dimension exactly is... .