obama on afghanistan Options

[brooklyneast05]

who watched obama's speech on the afghanistan troop increase? opinions?

[Tomates]

I don't think more troops should be sent. The war just needs to end

[Maccabee]

im hating this guy more and more.

[brooklyneast05]

im hating this guy more and more.

elaborate then on what specifically about the afghanistan plan leads you to hate him

[brooklyneast05]

obama has always supported the war in afghanistan. he has been calling it a war of necessity and urging we put our efforts there (rather than fighting what he deems the unnecessary war in iraq) since he was campaigning. it shouldn't come as any surprise when he wants to aggressively go forward and focus on afghanistan, since he repeatedly told us over and over again that that's where our national defense efforts would be.


for the most part you're probably confusing iraq and afghanistan. although of course ideally we want to bring them all home. (which is still part of the plan he outlined, for whatever that's worth)

[Maccabee]

We are all thinking the same thing.
Obama says he want's to bring them home, but he sends more out.
A lot of people disliked Bush, because he was sending tons of troops out to what seemed to be, a pointless cause. and now obama is doing the same. So it shouldnt be long until the people, that disliked bush for those reasons but now like obama will soon not like obama.

[brooklyneast05]

again:

obama has always supported the war in afghanistan. he has been calling it a war of necessity and urging we put our efforts there (rather than fighting what he deems the unnecessary war in iraq) since he was campaigning. it shouldn't come as any surprise when he wants to aggressively go forward and focus on afghanistan, since he repeatedly told us over and over again that that's where our national defense efforts would be.
for the most part you're probably confusing iraq and afghanistan. although of course ideally we want to bring them all home. (which is still part of the plan he outlined, for whatever that's worth)

you have to differentiate. you can't talk about afghanistan and iraq as if they are one and the same. they aren't and haven't been this entire time. even citing bush you can't talk about them as the same. people's opinion of bush going to war against afghanistan vs going to war against iraq are two completely separate things.

[none345678]

We are all thinking the same thing.

No.

[Reidar]

Karzai doesn't have widespread support in Afghanistan and empty promises to do the whole running the country thing right this time ring more hollow than ever before. His fate probably won't amount to much more over Najibullah's communist regime during the Soviet occupation. Not worth the cost and sacrifice.

The speech was okay, main issue notwithstanding. I guess it counts for something that he mentioned corruption.

A lot of people disliked Bush, because he was sending tons of troops out to what seemed to be, a pointless cause.

Actually, even a lot of people who were against either wars criticized Bush for doing a half-assed job with too few men and supplies.

Update: I'm (figuratively) laughing so hard at Michael Moore's idiocy right now.

"All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years...When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has."

I mean, if I was American then the 2008 election would have been the first one I'd have been old enough to vote for and I still wouldn't have been naïve enough to believe that. How did a grown-ass man who makes documentaries about this kind of stuff not see the same? When he talks about how disillusioning this is for young people and how their hopes and dreams and whatever have been forever shattered I just want to tell him to speak for his oblivious self.

Christopher Hitchens (who voted for Obama and still supports the Iraq war) was exactly right when he said "the left doesn't realize how much more war Obama is promising them. Between him and McCain, only Obama dared to tease the idea of violating Pakistan's sovereignty in pursuit of the insurgents."

[brooklyneast05]

I mean, if I was American then the 2008 election would have been the first one I'd have been old enough to vote for and I still wouldn't have been naïve enough to believe that. How did a grown-ass man who makes documentaries about this kind of stuff not see the same? When he talks about how disillusioning this is for young people and how their hopes and dreams and whatever have been forever shattered I just want to tell him to speak for his oblivious self.

exactly. i read moore's letter and also wondered how someone who's life revolves around this stuff thought this wouldn't be like anything he's ever seen before.

[Seon-ho-Lee]

exactly. i read moore's letter and also wondered how someone who's life revolves around this stuff thought this wouldn't be like anything he's ever seen before.

you shouldn't defend him 'cause he's a chocolate face like you, you know.