Philippines: 1st nation to give into terrorist...., War In Iraq |
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 Jul 12 2004, 06:34 PM
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 Senior Member  Group: Member Posts: 151 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 24,011  |
...demands for hostage's sake.
The story: DUBAI (Reuters) - The Philippines will withdraw its forces from Iraq "as soon as possible," Philippine deputy foreign minister Rafael Seguis said on Monday in a statement he read out on al Jazeera television. "In response to your request, the Philippines ... will withdraw its humanitarian forces as soon as possible," Seguis said according to al Jazeera's Arabic translation of his remarks. His statement was addressed to a group calling itself the Islamic Army in Iraq, which is holding a Filipino driver hostage and has threatened to kill him unless Manila agrees to withdraw its troops by July 20. "I hope the statement that I read will touch the heart of this group," Seguis told the satellite television from Baghdad. He declined to give an exact date for the 50 humanitarian troops' withdrawal, which Manila had insisted would take place by August 20 as earlier scheduled. Seguis appealed to the group to release their hostage, truck driver Angelo de la Cruz, and added: "We know that Islam is the religion of peace and mercy." Al Jazeera said earlier the group extended by 24 hours to Monday night its deadline for killing de la Cruz, which had expired at 11 p.m. Iraqi time (3 p.m. EDT) on Sunday. The channel showed a video tape in which it said de la Cruz appealed to Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to swiftly withdraw troops from Iraq so he could return to his family. He was shown wearing orange overalls and standing in front of three masked captors holding automatic weapons and ammunition belts. De la Cruz's family has said he went to Saudi Arabia a year ago to work as a driver after a long period of unemployment. He was abducted last week near the Iraqi town of Falluja while driving a fuel shipment from Saudi Arabia. At least 4,000 Philippine civilians work in Iraq, many employed by contractors and working in U.S. military bases. Three Philippine workers have been killed in attacks by insurgents opposed to the U.S. military presence in Iraq. © Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------------------------ Do you agree with what the Philippines did? |
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Jul 12 2004, 07:15 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
Certainly.
It's their country. They are resistance fighters, not "terrorists". A terrorist would be someone like bin Laden who attacks other countries. We're the ones imposing our wills on them using acts of large-scale terrorism. I'm sure the Iraqis felt a hell of a lot of terror -- much more than we did on September 11th -- when we started bombing them. |
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Jul 12 2004, 10:35 PM
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 Mileage Runner Group: Member Posts: 1,316 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,458 |
If the PI does pull out before its proposed August 20th deadline, then I'd seriously be outraged. Doing this will just make the other side look good and create more embarassment for the Philippines. If the Philippines does give in then it would be nothing more than a defeat in the War on Terrorism. But at least de la Cruz would live...but more than 4,000 OFWs are at the possibility of being killed in Iraq and the armed forces contingent, although very dismal in numbers, gave the workers some sense of assurance. I'm sorta on a state of quandry wheter if I should agree with the possibility of pulling out troops to save one life or to disagree and have the troops stay thus leading to the execution of de la Cruz... But for now, if the Philippines does give in...I'd be devastated and my pride would be shattered.
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Jul 13 2004, 02:28 AM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 300 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,855 |
weaaaaak
like theyre not gonna kill him anyway? lets negotiate with them, then theyll never do it again right? |
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Jul 14 2004, 10:14 AM
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 Don't wake ghostie. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,546 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,405 |
i can't believe this topic isn't more debated O.o
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Jul 14 2004, 12:53 PM
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Mileage Runner Group: Member Posts: 1,316 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,458 |
QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jul 14 2004, 7:14 AM) i can't believe this topic isn't more debated O.o Believe me I'm thankful. My brain is already battered after going through thorough debates in other forums... 
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Jul 14 2004, 01:53 PM
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 ^ moo... Group: Member Posts: 962 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 25,212 |
if it were a lie..just to get the hostage back... wut do u think would happen? (the philippines sayin that they would withdraw..)
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Jul 15 2004, 05:09 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
I don't see anything wrong with the Philippines withdrawing droops.
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Jul 15 2004, 05:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 664 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 7,686 |
to quote system of a down
"Why,why,why,why must we kill,kill,kill,kill, our own,own,own,own kind…… BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, Every time you drop the bomb, You kill the god your child has born. BOOM, BOOM,BOOM, BOOM BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM Every time you drop the bomb." - Boom! war = bad |
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Jul 15 2004, 05:47 PM
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 advanced newbie... S2 Group: Member Posts: 3,504 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 752 |
Wow. just for that one man,.,,
 well, i think that it was a bad choice to do so, since America is like... way more powerful than Iraq (isnt that why terrorists stoop down to that kind of low level?) So by doing that, he's prolly going to lose trust from America just for that one man... I say it seems a bit cowardly of that one guy who made that decision to take the troops outta iraq because i mean, its not the first time that someone has died because of the war, and just cause he's philipino doesnt really make him worth more than other human lives. I mean, what happened to the whole "humans are equal" speech?  anyways. but, that was his decision, so if he has to pay up one day cause America decides to kcick his butt, im not going to be all like "awww im going to sstarve myself if you mess with him" since he made that decision of taking out the troops. i mean, politics is a lose gain situation. u give up something and play smart to gain something else. Just... the strategy is to give up something to gain something more i guess. im not a great debater or anything so i dont really expect anything, but this is just my opinion.
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Jul 15 2004, 06:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 151 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 24,011 |
QUOTE(Mr. Psychotic @ Jul 15 2004, 5:36 PM) to quote system of a down "Why,why,why,why must we kill,kill,kill,kill, our own,own,own,own kind…… BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, Every time you drop the bomb, You kill the god your child has born. BOOM, BOOM,BOOM, BOOM BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM/BOOM Every time you drop the bomb." - Boom! war = bad I like that song. Don't know why it didn't get much videoplay. I would only support the soldiers but never support a war. |
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Jul 16 2004, 05:29 PM
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 !shobe! Group: Member Posts: 664 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 5,912 |
i feel bad for the hostage but if the PI does go through with it, it's a damned shame.. PI will look weaker than it already is...
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Jul 16 2004, 10:46 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(kriziaandrei2 @ Jul 16 2004, 5:31 PM) i think that it's cool that that everyone flip pulled out since they want to saved their fellow flip.... i thought that very cool. Well, there weren't that many of them there in the first place. And once more, I don't see a problem with them pulling out... Anyway, I here all sorts of unsavory comments about Philippines withdrawing, but I don't see what the deal is. |
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Jul 16 2004, 10:58 PM
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 PHIL ˝ Group: Member Posts: 2,663 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 6,982 |
Wait....we gave in?!?!
-Flip- |
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Jul 17 2004, 09:45 AM
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and now i feel so stupid even though it wasn't my decision to say yes to withdraw the humanitarian forces
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Jul 17 2004, 03:26 PM
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Mileage Runner Group: Member Posts: 1,316 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 9,458 |
Well have to look at the bright side about this...relations with the Moros in Mindanao and Sulu would be a bit cooler...
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