versus Options

[Maccabee]

A:

# Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Desktop Processor E5300
# 2.60GHz Processor Speed
# 6GB PC2-6400 DDR2 SDRAM memory

B:

# Athlon™ X2 5400+ Dual-Core Processor
# 2.80GHz processor speed
# 4GB PC2-6400 DDR2 SDRAM memory

And B is slimline. Are slimline computers worse?

[Maccabee]

cmon wheres tama and cj!

[mipadi]

I'd go with A. The clock speed increase from A to B is negligible, and A has a lot more RAM (very important). Arguably, the Intel processor is better in this case, too.

[Maccabee]

Ok I think i agree.
I was also thinking about te mghz myth because the pipeline in an intel processor is much longer than amd.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Give me more specs, and tell me what you're doing with it. As is, I say A, but that could change if I find out what you're going to do with it, and things like what kind of GPU is in it.

[Maccabee]

Well im thinking that instead of making my own computer from scratch I would just buy one. Cause I wouldnt save that much money making my own and it wouldn't be much better.

Here is the link to computer A:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=5816

And computer B:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=5816

But im pretty much sold on computer A.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

Well im thinking that instead of making my own computer from scratch I would just buy one. Cause I wouldnt save that much money making my own and it wouldn't be much better.

Here is the link to computer A:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=5816

And computer B:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=5816

But im pretty much sold on computer A.

You can save a considerable amount building your own computer. Sometimes $500 or more.

And the point of building your own computer is so you can have a computer built for exactly what you're going to do with it.

[Maccabee]

You can save a considerable amount building your own computer. Sometimes $500 or more.

And the point of building your own computer is so you can have a computer built for exactly what you're going to do with it.

I did the calculations and I would only save about 100 dollars making my own.
How would you build your computer according to what your doing it with? I just want a computer that does fast processes so the processor is really important to me.

It needs a short pipeline and as many mghz as possible. Thats the only reason I would think about making my own.

[mipadi]

It needs a short pipeline and as many mghz as possible. Thats the only reason I would think about making my own.

No offense, but...do you even know what a process pipeline is, and why it's relevant (or not relevant, as the case may be)?

[kryogenix]

I'd go with A. The clock speed increase from A to B is negligible, and A has a lot more RAM (very important). Arguably, the Intel processor is better in this case, too.

Yeah, but the ram doesn't matter when this idiot is gonna use a 32-bit OS.

[Maccabee]

Mipadi: yes
and steven..you think im an idiot?

[illriginal]

Neither... Intel E8400 >

[mipadi]

Mipadi: yes

Well, okay...then why do you need a short pipeline?

[Maccabee]

Well, okay...then why do you need a short pipeline?

Just because they complete processes faster. I was just saying I want a fast processor.
If im correct a processor is what would make say, rendering a video, or something faster.
Because sometimes when Im editing stuff like a large image just selecting areas take a long time. I dont see how ram would make this faster because ram is Random access memory.
A processor processes.

[mipadi]

Just because they complete processes faster. I was just saying I want a fast processor.

If it was true that processors with shorter pipelines always had better performance, why would Intel design chips with such long pipelines?

[Deospeon]

NOW JOSEPH!

[Maccabee]

NOW JOSEPH!

I put a together a computer on newegg for like 600. And it was way better then that.
But then I still have to buy a monitor and mouse and keyboard so in the end the 800 dollar computer is actually better and it only costs 100 dollars more, then if I made it myself.
The only thing I am disappointing about is the 2.6ghz dual core processor.
What are the odds that the processor won't be glued on? Cause i would love to replace it with this baby.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115036

When you make a computer how often to you have problems with the hardware not being compatible with software?

[illriginal]

I doubt that.



And I've never built a machine in which the hardware had problems with either Windows or Linux, except my Z Cinema speakers but only because Linux gets offended by the way "Cinema" is spelled. It doesn't like the, "`" over the letter "e".

[Maccabee]

I doubt that.

Doubt what?

[illriginal]

I've might have misunderstood but from what I did read, I think you're implying that your $600 machine is capable of playing Crysis?...

Just the video card a lone would be between $200-300

[Maccabee]

The guy in the video made a computer than can run crysis for 500 dollars. Im saying i made a very similar computer for 600. just more ram.

[illriginal]

lol with $500?...

He must have used the bare minimum requirements with one cheap ass plastic computer case lol

[Maccabee]

lol with $500?...

He must have used the bare minimum requirements with one cheap ass plastic computer case lol

NOW JOSEPH!

[illriginal]

Can't watch it.. at work.

I'm being dead ass serious if you have a $500 machine running Crysis, I can only imagine that game play is horrible.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

I built a computer not too long ago that runs Crysis pretty well, and it cost just over $700. I don't consider $600 too much of a stretch.

[Maccabee]

Crap, the only retail stor I have found that still sells WXP is here
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/7744...vice/#reviewTab

But it doesnt say if its 64 bit or not! I think i have a friend who has WXP pro, 64 bit. Do copies of xp have like license restrictions? like one per computer?

o wait.
I check newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116378
When using a 64 bit os, do 42 bit programs still work? Like can mozzila firefox, filezilla, gimp and any other programs that work on 32 bit work on 64 bit?
And if im upgrading from vista 64 bit to windows xp pro 64 bit do you think there will be incompatibility problems? And would I have to download drivers and stuff.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

That's more of a sidegrade than an upgrade.

[Maccabee]

That's more of a sidegrade than an upgrade.

That didnt answer any questions.


What are the odds that Ill be able to replace the proccessor of this computer?
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=5816

[heyo-captain-jac...]

.013%. You can rarely upgrade anything other than the RAM, HDD, or disk drive in premade computers.

But that's a good processor. You shouldn't need to replace it.

[Maccabee]

.013%. You can rarely upgrade anything other than the RAM, HDD, or disk drive in premade computers.

But that's a good processor. You shouldn't need to replace it.

Ya think so? I was wanting to get a processor with atleast 3ghz. i want this to be the last computer upgrade I do for a while. and ill have windows xp on it so it will fly either way.

[heyo-captain-jac...]

With a Pentium dual core, you're not going to see a major difference between 2.6 and 3 GHz.

[Uronacid]

Honestly man, if you just want the experience of building a computer you shoudl really think about what kind of options you want.


Here are a few articles that will help you decide:

how many cores do you really need?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/multi-core-cpu,2280.html

CPU preformance charts:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/processors,6.html

best bang for buck graphics Apr 09'
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...e-gtx,2270.html

how much ram is too much?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory...grade,2264.html

Tom's HDD guide 2008
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hdd-te...e-1tb,2077.html


Just keep in mind, that even the most graphics intensive games do not need top of the line hardware. Most high-end hardware is overkill. Buy what you need or build around a budget for the most bang for buck.

Quality Brands:

CPU - AMD or Intel
ATI Video Cards - VisionTek
NVidia Video Cards - EVGA
Memory - Corsair
PSU - Corsair
Mother Boards(SLI) - EVGA
Mother Boards(XFire) - ASUS