embryonic stem cell research Options

[brooklyneast05]

Federal regulators have cleared the way for the first human trials of human embryonic stem-cell research, authorizing researchers to test whether the cells are safe to use in spinal injury patients, the company behind the trials announced Friday.

The tests could begin by summer, said Dr. Thomas Okarma, president and CEO of the Geron Corporation. The Food and Drug Administration has approved the trials, which will use human stem cells authorized for research by then-President George W. Bush in 2001.

The patients will be those with the most severe spinal cord injuries, called complete spinal cord injuries.

"A complete spinal cord injury has no hope of recovery below the injury," Okarma told CNN. "This is significant because it's the first clinical trial of a human embryonic-based product."

The primary purpose of the trial will be to see whether injecting these cells into patients is safe, but Okarma said researchers will also look for any signs of recovery. Scientists will monitor the patients for a year after the injections to see if they are regaining any function below the injured point.

[Elba]

FINAFUCKINLY

[brooklyneast05]

i know right

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

About damn time.
I just can't stand this talk about it being immoral to do it.
cause the whole point behind it is to make things better for peole and to make life better so if they can make things better then more power to them nah mean

[*KINGdinguhling*]

alrite, lets move on to major organs too, cause ima need a new liver soon

[Tomates]

In michigan we had Proposal 2 which was to allow stem cell research to be studied in michigan which was last november.
It got turned down it could have brought a ton of jobs to michigan especially since its the worst.

[brooklyneast05]

i don't understand why people are against this

[*KINGdinguhling*]

because you have to kill life

[brooklyneast05]

the potential for one?

[Tomates]

i don't understand why people are against this

i dont either, and every time i watch the local news with people complain about our economy i always just want to yell at the T.V saying that it could have gotten at least a little better than it is now if it got passed.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

yeah thats where it gets hazy, some people say it is already life, some say its the potential of

[firechild]

to restore life sometimes you have to take it

(Shouldn't there be a debate about this?)

[Tomates]

yeah thats where it gets hazy, some people say it is already life, some say its the potential of

But even that they should know that it could actually cure something.
I had to do a report about stem cell research and whether we were for or agaisnt it and i remember putting "Saying no to stem cell research is like saying no to curing deadly diseases"

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

the one thing i can tie into this is the idea of religion.
i'm not very religious at all but either way
the church believes that to go through with all that is immoral
and anyone who claims to be christian that has some kind of position in society they'll side wit the church because how does that look on you if your a public figure and go against ur religion
that was one of the issues i dealt with and what i have to say bout that is in the consitution is mentions spearation of church and state
so that means the church should have no impression on our choices on what we propose to do with science because one we are trying understand thing and studdy and learn more about the human body and the different disorders and i think that if stem cell research will help then by all means go for it
and i mean it'll open up soo many jobs and we know we need it
badly

[brooklyneast05]

aren't the embryos they are using in this ones that would otherwise be destroyed anyway?

[firechild]

there isn't another way?

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

to restore life sometimes you have to take it

(Shouldn't there be a debate about this?)

a point i'd make on this one also pretaining to religion.
god sends his son to die for us to be "saved"
so if that's the case
we are gonna sacrifce a life to save others
that's another way of looking at it

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

aren't the embryos they are using in this ones that would otherwise be destroyed anyway?

ye ai think so. but iono people get to anal bout all that
like they could care less that we're overseas killing a bunch of people
but they trip out on using embryos for research.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

But even that they should know that it could actually cure something.
I had to do a report about stem cell research and whether we were for or agaisnt it and i remember putting "Saying no to stem cell research is like saying no to curing deadly diseases"

Would you let a little girl die to save your dad
Hell, would you let 1000 people die for the cure for cancer?

[brooklyneast05]

it isn't a little girl, it's an embryo

[*KINGdinguhling*]

still living


im all for stem cell research, but the thing is, your kind of playing god, choosing who lives and who dies and thats the part that somewhat irks me the most even if the benefit is heavy

[Tomates]

Would you let a little girl die to save your dad
Hell, would you let 1000 people die for the cure for cancer?

Well think if it like this then, if the mother is willing to give the stem cell to research then there would have probably been a chance that it would have been aborted anyways. So as sick as it may sound, why let it go to waste?

[*KINGdinguhling*]

well the thing is, people who are against stem cell research are probably pro-life in the first place, so it just comes down to, whether its ok to kill a life, even at a embryo stage

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

still living
im all for stem cell research, but the thing is, your kind of playing god, choosing who lives and who dies and thats the part that somewhat irks me the most even if the benefit is heavy

as this is true that we're playing god and all that you can point that same finger at alot of other things that we do in society.

This particular thing though we are taking an embryo which may be living but not developed and using it for testing and research for the greater good.

where as we still play god when we put people on the death pentaly.

my whole point is yea it's distubing too some and yea it may bother you but still in the world we live in if you wanna get to where ya wanna go you can't always play fair

[*KINGdinguhling*]

yeah but the death penalty was for people who committed horrendous crimes. an embryo has no pre-qualified backround

[brooklyneast05]

i honestly don't see what difference it makes if they are going to throw these embryos out otherwise. maybe i'm just misunderstanding that, i swear i read/heard that this morning, but what the hell. if they are using ones that will otherwise be thrown out then there isn't any potential for life in the first place.

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

still taking a life right?
and who says someone can't repent for what they did you still gonna kill them?

[*KINGdinguhling*]

still taking a life right?
and who says someone can't repent for what they did you still gonna kill them?

life can be differentiated. Killing a plant is different from killing an animal

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

i honestly don't see what difference it makes if they are going to throw these embryos out otherwise. maybe i'm just misunderstanding that, i swear i read/heard that this morning, but what the hell. if they are using ones that will otherwise be thrown out then there isn't any potential for life in the first place.

If people know they were getting thrown out then what's the difference wether they get thrown out or used at least if we use them for research then their life at least made a difference

[*KINGdinguhling*]

i honestly don't see what difference it makes if they are going to throw these embryos out otherwise. maybe i'm just misunderstanding that, i swear i read/heard that this morning, but what the hell. if they are using ones that will otherwise be thrown out then there isn't any potential for life in the first place.

thats a very "logical" way of thinking about it. but yes, that is correct

[brooklyneast05]

If people know they were getting thrown out then what's the difference wether they get thrown out or used at least if we use them for research then their life at least made a difference

i just said that

[Tsukuyomi-No-Mok...]

i'm just agreeing with it

[brooklyneast05]

oh ok

[*KINGdinguhling*]

lolol, in the end it just depends whether you wanna kill a life. so either christian vs. everyone else

[Tomates]

i honestly don't see what difference it makes if they are going to throw these embryos out otherwise. maybe i'm just misunderstanding that, i swear i read/heard that this morning, but what the hell. if they are using ones that will otherwise be thrown out then there isn't any potential for life in the first place.

I know what you mean. Women are going to get abortions either way if stem cell research is allowed or not so might as well make some use out of them. The Pro-life people should see a little something in that.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

I know what you mean. Women are going to get abortions either way if stem cell research is allowed or not so might as well make some use out of them. The Pro-life people should see a little something in that.

well with that logic we might as well let all drugs be legal since whether or not it is against the law, people are still going to use them

[Tomates]

well with that logic we might as well let all drugs be legal since whether or not it is against the law, people are still going to use them

That is a good point. But Abortion isn't illegal

[sixfive]

I hear dead babies taste better than a nice juicy steak. Confirm/deny?

[*KINGdinguhling*]

yeah so neither should stem cell research but you know them crazy christians



so tomatoes, would you rather bang tung or shanaynay

[Elba]

I know what you mean. Women are going to get abortions either way if stem cell research is allowed or not so might as well make some use out of them. The Pro-life people should see a little something in that.

I don't think the embryos used are taken from women who are otherwise going to get an abortion. They're created.

[Impressive]

Soon... Organs will be harvested and then grown...and those people with enough money can buy eternal youth.... soon all operations will be successful.... it's only a matter of time... the importance of if it's right or wrong won't stop it from happening... science is the base of human curiosity....and our curiosity is what makes us human.

There is no debate. There is only what has been... and what will be.

[sixfive]

so tomatoes, would you rather bang tung or shanaynay

[Tomates]

I don't think the embryos used are taken from women who are otherwise going to get an abortion. They're created.

Im not saying that's 100% true and stuff but i have read something about it before

so tomatoes, would you rather bang tung or shanaynay

Why...

[*KINGdinguhling*]

cause its all in good fun

[NoSex]

well the thing is, people who are against stem cell research are probably pro-life in the first place, so it just comes down to, whether its ok to kill a life, even at a embryo stage

life can be differentiated. Killing a plant is different from killing an animal

lolol, in the end it just depends whether you wanna kill a life. so either christian vs. everyone else

you sound so contrary & insane & stupid.
first you can't do it because it's a matter of the "value of life."
then you're like, well, life isn't as valuable if you commit a heinous crime, & it's alright to kill those people.
then you admit that life can be differentiated. so, it isn't a "value of life" that is preventing us from killing, to be exact.
then you turn it into a clear dichotomy, where you want to kill (everyone else) or don't want to (christian). as if christians don't want to kill people & never do, etc. and as if everyone else has no concept of a "value of life."
in either case, you sound like you're running around in zig-zaggy circles. i just want to comment on one point:

we do differentiate between different forms & stages of life.

let's use your "killing a plant is different than killing an animal" contrast:
KILLING AN EMBRYO IS DIFFERENT THAN KILLING A CHILD

[*KINGdinguhling*]

you retarded f*ck, its called playing devils advocate to keep this topic alive and not just be another cB yoohaha and agree with everything everyone is saying

[emberfly]

I can't believe anyone would be against this. Being against this would be anti-life.

[NoSex]

you retarded f*ck, its called playing devils advocate to keep this topic alive and not just be another cB yoohaha and agree with everything everyone is saying

you don't play devil's advocate by constantly & inconceivable changing your position. & how the hell am i supposed to know that you weren't being sincere? you're a complete idiot anyways... seriously, what the hell do you expect?

nonetheless, don't you believe in some sort of god? or something?

[*KINGdinguhling*]

you don't play devil's advocate by constantly & inconceivable changing your position. & how the hell am i supposed to know that you weren't being sincere? you're a complete idiot anyways... seriously, what the hell do you expect?

nonetheless, don't you believe in some sort of god? or something?

im sorry that you cannot grasp the complexity of my mind, yeah you are your own god

[NoSex]

yeah you are your own god

whoa, deep.

[fameONE]

im sorry that you cannot grasp the complexity of my mind, yeah you are your own god

whoa, deep.

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