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violent video games, do they pose a threat?
do violent video games such as grandtheft auto pose a threat to todays society?
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Justingamemaster
post Jul 1 2004, 09:08 PM
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i don't think they do.

Some kid isn't gonna "get violent" all of a sudden because of some game that is about something that is already happening in the news, movies, or TV already...





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Generally I dont think they shouldnt.. but if say a kid spends most of his time playing them.. and has been playing from a young age, then yes, it would distort their sense of reality, because if they start playing those games when they're young and still developing a sense of right and wrong, they may get confused.. but hey, that's what game ratings are for.. if onli ppl would abide by them..
 
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well for the younger ones... its gonna have an effect on them... cuz they are still in the learning process... and they're not sure of what's right or wrong yet... for them it is a threat.

the older kids.... i think they have more sense... sooo when they play... they dont put the game in reality... like the younger kids...
 
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theres a reason you have t be an age to buy them

if underage kids stil get them, its the parents fault 99% likely

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Who voted "yes?" That was stupid. Like bigpoppa says, give me my violent games back.

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They teach you stuff too. Morals and what-not.
 
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post Jul 2 2004, 02:37 AM
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un sum games gets the urge to make ppl become like the game for example nba ballers is a everyone's labeled game and the story is jus like screwing ppl and getting the money so yeah its prety bad but i dont care i jus enjoy the game
 
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They don't pose a threat, some of the people playing them do.
 
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post Jul 2 2004, 12:12 PM
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VIDEOGAMES DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!
 
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yes... I go out and steal cars because GTA teachs me how
 
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Dude people are seriously saying this just for their excuse as horrid parents. Parents are the ones who should be teaching kids morals. If they honestly think video games are going to distort their sense of reality, THEN DON'T BUY IT FOR THEM! Another thing, the ten o'clock news seems more violent nowadays compared to video games. I mean...sheesh.
 
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Its not the games fault -
1. people have no self control
2. People need to be taught reality from fiction
3. Have common sense
 
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ Jul 2 2004, 1:36 PM)
Dude people are seriously saying this just for their excuse as horrid parents. Parents are the ones who should be teaching kids morals. If they honestly think video games are going to distort their sense of reality, THEN DON'T BUY IT FOR THEM! Another thing, the ten o'clock news seems more violent nowadays compared to video games. I mean...sheesh.

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everybody in here makes very valid points, i strongly agree. parents blame the videogames for turning their children into violent rebellious kids when they give no effort into monitoring the games they play. its stupid...
 
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i'm going to buy out rockstar games and make a new gta where the police are so good, no one would even dare to go on shootings or hijack cars.
 
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That's called a "police state".

In that situation, you get a lot of people together, commit mass acts of civil disobedience, get part of the military on your side, fight a civil war, and overthrow the government.

There's lots of games like that already.
 
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naw i dont think they pose a threat its just intertainment rite?







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id say a little because it depends on the kind of kids that play those video games.... i play them and i dont take them into that direction.... but theres others that do so....
 
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For one thing, I agree that kids who have violent games are due to the parents irresponsibility. For another, I agree that games do not kill, but people do.

Now that I have gotten that across, to the person who said that I'm "stupid" for saying "yes", you're even stupider for not even hearing the reason why and then making dumb assumptions. Ever heard of listening to both sides of the story?

So here is my take on it:

Games do not kill, however they promote killing and/or violence. Why else do we call it a "violent game" if it is not violent or if it doesn't promote violence?

What contributes to a child's early growth? Is it not their environment? Lets say that a child already live with irresponsible parents who are gone for most of the day (nothing new in our society), and all this child does is play games and watch TV for most of his/her time (which is nothing new either). If this child doesn't get any guidance from what is right/wrong, how is he going to know that what the game teaches is wrong?

No, I wouldn't say that violent games causes violence in children, however, I am saying that they do make contributions.

edit>> someone made a topic in the lounge entitled something like "what have the world gone to", to complain about how kids are more and more explicit in their language and act. I see a trend in games getting more explicit and violent and kids getting more and more decadent. There may be other factors, but violence in games/entertainement is very much one of these factors.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 2 2004, 9:03 PM)
For one thing, I agree that kids who have violent games are due to the parents irresponsibility. For another, I agree that games do not kill, but people do.

Now that I have gotten that across, to the person who said that I'm "stupid" for saying "yes", you're even stupider for not even hearing the reason why and then making dumb assumptions. Ever heard of listening to both sides of the story?

So here is my take on it:

Games do not kill, however they promote killing and/or violence. Why else do we call it a "violent game" if it is not violent or if it doesn't promote violence?

What contributes to a child's early growth? Is it not their environment? Lets say that a child already live with irresponsible parents who are gone for most of the day (nothing new in our society), and all this child does is play games and watch TV for most of his/her time (which is nothing new either). If this child doesn't get any guidance from what is right/wrong, how is he going to know that what the game teaches is wrong?

No, I wouldn't say that violent games causes violence in children, however, I am saying that they do make contributions.

edit>> someone made a topic in the lounge entitled something like "what have the world gone to", to complain about how kids are more and more explicit in their language and act. I see a trend in games getting more explicit and violent and kids getting more and more decadent. There may be other factors, but violence in games/entertainement is very much one of these factors.

That would be me. And games don't make killers. They only give them ideas. BTW, These games give you morals, and the point of the game. Like in GTA 3, basically, the story is, "don't screw anyone over"
 
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QUOTE(AntiAnodyne @ Jul 2 2004, 9:54 PM)
That would be me. And games don't make killers. They only give them ideas. BTW, These games give you morals, and the point of the game. Like in GTA 3, basically, the story is, "don't screw anyone over"

You're saying the same thing that has already been "pwned".

Anyway, these violent games give kids morals? How do suppose that? I don't understand "screwing" anyone over. I don't like these things, so I'll not buy them for my kids, I know better than to choose other people's way of life for them.

The arguement is whether or not these games are menaces to society not whether or not I would screw anyone over.

Oh... here's something funny... kind of related
 
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I say, anyone who lets video games effect them in any other way besides being competetive, I.E; Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike...etc. Is an idiot. The only thing I use Postal 2 for is a stress reliever. biggrin.gif
 
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QUOTE(Rock_Lee @ Jul 2 2004, 10:29 PM)
I say, anyone who lets video games effect them in any other way besides being competetive, I.E; Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike...etc. Is an idiot. The only thing I use Postal 2 for is a stress reliever. biggrin.gif

(sarcasm) Children are usually idiots... can you blame them? (/sarcasm)
 
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That would be me. And games don't make killers. They only give them ideas. BTW, These games give you morals, and the point of the game. Like in GTA 3, basically, the story is, "don't screw anyone over"

Give them ideas... and what if the ideas were to be implemented..?

Morals??!!! Okay, GTA3, what "moral" do you learn in that?
 
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Self defense tactics are useful.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 3 2004, 9:34 PM)
Self defense tactics are useful.

Oh I'm sure. If someone's attacking you, just point your thumbs at the bad guy and your body will automatically know what to do. tongue.gif
 
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Oh I'm sure. If someone's attacking you, just point your thumbs at the bad guy and your body will automatically know what to do. 

Hahahaha laugh.gif

Video games arent realistic enough to teach you that.. taking a Self Defense class at some martial arts studio would be much more efficient
 
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But not as fun.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 3 2004, 10:23 PM)
But not as fun.

tongue.gif tongue.gif I'm sure having your attacker break your thumbs isn't very fun either.
 
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  I'm sure having your attacker break your thumbs isn't very fun either.

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But not as fun.

Have you taken martial arts? its quite fun..
 
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Meh. Guns are more fun.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 3 2004, 10:44 PM)
Meh. Guns are more fun.

Eh, I like the feeling of beating on flesh more, thank you very much. happy.gif
 
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Sorry, I'm more of a gun person. Nice, quick, and clean.
 
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Listen to yourselves.. you're discussing preferred ways to kill people... ohmy.gif
 
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i really dont think so... chances are the way a kid's gonna get violent is through what they see on TV not what video games they play. plus, their rated, so the parent who buys it for their kid knows what their child would be seeing, so i suppose to some extent the parent is responsible -_-
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 2 2004, 11:58 PM)
Give them ideas... and what if the ideas were to be implemented..?

Morals??!!! Okay, GTA3, what "moral" do you learn in that?

I just told you. "Don't screw anyone over." And "if you play your cards right, you can be the biggest crime lord in the city."
 
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I just told you. "Don't screw anyone over." And "if you play your cards right, you can be the biggest crime lord in the city."

What kind of morals are those? Teaching kids how to become the biggest crime lord.... wth???

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i really dont think so... chances are the way a kid's gonna get violent is through what they see on TV not what video games they play. plus, their rated, so the parent who buys it for their kid knows what their child would be seeing, so i suppose to some extent the parent is responsible -_- 

The tv I agree with.. but the ratings.. meh.. no.. lots of my friends.. have parents that buy it for them that dont read the ratings.. or, they have older siblings do so
 
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QUOTE(AntiAnodyne @ Jul 3 2004, 10:55 PM)
I just told you. "Don't screw anyone over." And "if you play your cards right, you can be the biggest crime lord in the city."

Oh yes, that explained everything. I wonder how old you are...

I wouldn't be very happy if my 5 year old kid learned the words "screw you" from from another kid, who's a game junkie... then again, kids these days are like that... I guess you can't expect much from polite society.

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I still go for the gun. I love Swiss Sniper Rifles.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 3 2004, 11:02 PM)
I still go for the gun. I love Swiss Sniper Rifles.

I'd go for good old brass knuckles...
 
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I wouldn't be very happy if my 5 year old kid learned the words "screw you" from from another kid, who's a game junkie... then again, kids these days are like that... I guess you can't expect much from polite society.

Polite society? Where's that?

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Um.. that's nice..
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 11:03 PM)
Polite society? Where's that?

My point exactly.
 
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jul 3 2004, 11:03 PM)
I'd go for good old brass knuckles...

If this were GTA Vice City I could shoot your head off with a sniper rifle before you even see me to hit me with your brass knuckles.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 3 2004, 11:20 PM)
If this were GTA Vice City I could shoot your head off with a sniper rifle before you even see me to hit me with your brass knuckles.

If this were good ole Mario (and I have brash knuckle shoes), I'd beat your head 6 feet under.

Isn't obvious that I haven't played much video games?
 
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If this were good ole Mario (and I have brash knuckle shoes), I'd beat your head 6 feet under.

Isn't obvious that I haven't played much video games?

And now we're comparing video games.. joy..

Minda.. I'd like to see you even obtain a sniper rifle.. and where would you even find brass knuckle shoes? wouldnt those be very tiresome on the feet?
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 11:25 PM)
and where would you even y..find brass knuckle shoes? wouldnt those be very tiresome on the feet?

I don't know.. if I can't find them, i'll try to make them..

i don't think they'd be tiresome.. i mean, i'd be standing on human flesh most of the time.. nice and comfy.
 
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I don't know.. if I can't find them, i'll try to make them..

Haha have fun
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kids that have irresponsible parents usually get beatings when they do something wrong... ohmy.gif ... so that would make them scared to do it again
 
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kids that have irresponsible parents usually get beatings when they do something wrong...  ... so that would make them scared to do it again 

And your point is...?

If they have irresponsible parents, they wont consider violent video games wrong.. (that's why they bought it), so what's your point?
 
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i said a little... well to let u know this... lotta children who plays violent video game can turn into a bad child... they can learn everything from a game and from music like eminem and 50 cent <_<;;; they cuss and stuff...children can hear those like from everywhere... so it's affecting those kids... and also of course teenagers lols...but i dont know.... i heard that it let their stress out away from them... cause lotta ppls wen they get mad...they just want to hurt someone and just get into a fight or kill themselves...so they play violent games so they can relieve their stress...is that true? O_O if so, thats scary O_O
 
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^^True.

If a child is exposed to offensive material most of the time, they'll mimic it.

I know that from hearing my 5 year old cousin calling my brother a bastard. She even thought that was funny.
 
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i said a little... well to let u know this... lotta children who plays violent video game can turn into a bad child... they can learn everything from a game and from music like eminem and 50 cent <_<;;; they cuss and stuff...children can hear those like from everywhere... so it's affecting those kids... and also of course teenagers lols...but i dont know.... i heard that it let their stress out away from them... cause lotta ppls wen they get mad...they just want to hurt someone and just get into a fight or kill themselves...so they play violent games so they can relieve their stress...is that true? O_O if so, thats scary O_O 

Exactly, though video games might not be the onli source of violent influences, shouldnt we try to restrict the sources as much as possible?
 
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in violent video games, you're learning how to kill people. on a personal level.

this stuff is dangerous.
 
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in violent video games, you're learning how to kill people. on a personal level.

this stuff is dangerous.

It is to a certain extent.. I mean, if you're mature enough to leave it in the game completely.. then sure, they're fine.. but not very many people are like that, and the game's influence is carried into reality, and that's why they're dangerous
 
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I myself dont care and dont think it poses no threat...i believe its the parents responsibility to take care of what their kids do and watch..
 
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To everyone who's saying that it's the parents' responsibility to censor their children's activity:

Do you think that your parents can control everything you do? Do you think that your parents made you who you are today (your character, your beliefs, your ideals)?
 
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To everyone who's saying that it's the parents' responsibility to censor their children's activity:

Do you think that your parents can control everything you do? Do you think that your parents made you who you are today (your character, your beliefs, your ideals)?

Haha, I'd like to see anyone answer yes..

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I myself dont care and dont think it poses no threat...i believe its the parents responsibility to take care of what their kids do and watch..

Even if you didnt mind parental supervision 24/7, parents simply can't do that
 
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The tv I agree with.. but the ratings.. meh.. no.. lots of my friends.. have parents that buy it for them that dont read the ratings.. or, they have older siblings do so

true, i suppose
 
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killing video games teach you the killing mindset. it teaches you to ignore pleas of mercy and kill. it teaches you to shoot first and ask later.
 
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i think it depends. if a person is easily influenced by the things they see, such as kids, yes. even if a person isn't the violence does have some effect. so yea..
 
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think it depends. if a person is easily influenced by the things they see, such as kids, yes. even if a person isn't the violence does have some effect. so yea..

How would you know if the person is easily influenced or not?
 
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Dumb kids are influenced.
Smart kids know its just a game and won't mimic it.
 
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QUOTE(Justingamemaster @ Jul 7 2004, 11:51 AM)
Dumb kids are influenced.
Smart kids know its just a game and won't mimic it.

Are there more dumb kids than smart kids? What makes a kid "smart"?
 
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Smart kids know its just a game and won't mimic it.

You sure?

I hate it when people generalize things like that..

Intelligence has nothing to do with maturity
 
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Intelligence has nothing to do with maturity

neither does age
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 7 2004, 12:05 PM)
neither does age

Then how mature can a child/kid be, to know the difference of the rightness and wrongness in violent games, if it is not his age nor intelligence that decide what is good and bad?
 
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Then how mature can a child/kid be, to know the difference of the rightness and wrongness in violent games, if it is not his age nor intelligence that decide what is good and bad?

behavior and demonstration of common sense proves maturity. you can be a genious and still be immature, as well as be an immature 50 year old.
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 7 2004, 6:04 PM)
behavior and demonstration of common sense proves maturity. you can be a genious and still be immature, as well as be an immature 50 year old.

Then should violent games only be available to children who possess this level of maturity?

But then again, how many children are that mature?
 
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I remember when I was young Id paint my body yellow and run around saying "Wakka Wakka".

There is a reason for these Ratings on video games. Sure, not all abide by them, but truly, who could play a game and feel they have to go out and kill people? If you really imitate something you see on TV or in a video game your parents arent teaching you properly. Maybe it cant be controlled what you do, play, and watch by your parents, but they CAN teach you the difference between reality and make believe.

Mario - Make believe
Pac-Man - Make believe
GTA - Crap....and make believe
 
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Then should violent games only be available to children who possess this level of maturity?

But then again, how many children are that mature?

Yes.

For something like GTA, probably next to none.. that's why its rated M (although far too many kids get their hands on it..)

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There is a reason for these Ratings on video games. Sure, not all abide by them, but truly, who could play a game and feel they have to go out and kill people? If you really imitate something you see on TV or in a video game your parents arent teaching you properly. Maybe it cant be controlled what you do, play, and watch by your parents, but they CAN teach you the difference between reality and make believe.

Mario - Make believe
Pac-Man - Make believe
GTA - Crap....and make believe

I understand your point.. but the thing is, video games and technology have advanced so far in their realism.. we're talking VIOLENT video games here, not Mario or Pac Man..

With these next generation consoles, the games are DESIGNED to look REAL, and will have an effect on children
 
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we're talking games that are more realistic than army training games.

more gore, more blood, more realistic.
 
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we're talking games that are more realistic than army training games.

more gore, more blood, more realistic.

i'm sorry, i didn't think army training was a game.
 
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Hmm... This topic can go on forever. There's really one specific thing/person to blame for a kid's actions. But there are certain things that add up to a persons behavior. Because of the technology advancing, video game industries try to make games more "realistic". In order to sell their products, they have to make it interesting/fun. Usually violence is what makes games fun. There is violence everywhere. The media, movies, even simple cartoons like Tom and Jerry. It's just the combination of "realism" and violence that make video games the way they are. Because of todays busy lifestyle, parents have little time to spend with their children. The time that children are alone means less supervision. Most parents don't even know a thing about video games, computers, or consoles. But they still buy them for their children because.... they want them. Not many parents take out the time of their busy schedule to research on what's suitable for their kid. Think about it, do your parents really know what you do on the internet? But why just point out videogames? Why not the news, movies, or parenting skills? Why play the blame game? Sure videogames can effect children, but everything else does too. It's just the matter of putting it into context for lil children to understand what is real and what is wrong.

On a side note, violent video games like GTA3 help relieve my stress on a video game rather in real life. happy.gif
 
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On a side note, violent video games like GTA3 help relieve my stress on a video game rather in real life. happy.gif

Really? So if I were to take away your GTA3, you would have no choice but to go on a rampage in your city?
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 8 2004, 3:25 PM)
Really? So if I were to take away your GTA3, you would have no choice but to go on a rampage in your city?

Nope, cause the city didnt take my GTA3 away shifty.gif
 
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QUOTE(WunKraziePinoy @ Jul 8 2004, 3:22 PM)
Sure videogames can effect children, but everything else does too. It's just the matter of putting it into context for lil children to understand what is real and what is wrong.

So because video games are only small contribution, we should ignore them all together? Hmmm.......................................

Okay, how about a simple math problem:

a+b=c

1+1=2
1+2=3
1+3=4... and the pattern goes on...

Okay now:

let a=one child.
let b=the number of violent games in the child's possession.
let c=the amount of damage.


Result: the more violent games a child has, the more damage/violence in children... Stupid children, who can't think for themselves. (<-sarcasm)



Okay, so that may not be a very sound example of what could happen. But the idea is that: if we can eliminate at least one of many problems, things could yield to a better result.
 
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Okay, so that may not be a very sound example of what could happen. But the idea is that: if we can eliminate at least one of many problems, things could yield to a better result.

That's exactly what I've been saying.. onli that I dont have your talent with words and examples laugh.gif
 
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I think that children getting alcohol is a bigger problem than this. Its really not as big as the media would let it out to be. I mean, sure a few kids take wrestling to seriously and someone gets killed, a kid takes Superman too seriously and someone gets hurt, a few kids take GTAVC too seriously and kill some Hatians, I mean, its a danger, but so is everything else. You really have no way of regulating these things either way. Sure, the government could waste money trying to crack down on video game sales, or hell, eliminate violence in video games all together, but wouldnt that just leave us with Olsen twins games and DDR?
 
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I think that children getting alcohol is a bigger problem than this. Its really not as big as the media would let it out to be. I mean, sure a few kids take wrestling to seriously and someone gets killed, a kid takes Superman too seriously and someone gets hurt, a few kids take GTAVC too seriously and kill some Hatians, I mean, its a danger, but so is everything else.

Alcohol is illegal for kids under 21 to buy (although far too many get it anyways..)

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You really have no way of regulating these things either way. Sure, the government could waste money trying to crack down on video game sales, or hell, eliminate violence in video games all together, but wouldnt that just leave us with Olsen twins games and DDR? 

So you're saying that the onli video games in existence are violent ones like GTA?
 
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1) Is it not illegal for youngin's to purchase M-rated games?
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So you're saying that the onli video games in existence are violent ones like GTA?
Yes. Every game has some violence in them, maybe not hardcore gore like GTA, but to an extent its all the same. If an episode of Superman can "cause" a child to jump off a building, then you can imagine what else can influence children.
 
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Yes. Every game has some violence in them, maybe not hardcore gore like GTA, but to an extent its all the same. If an episode of Superman can "cause" a child to jump off a building, then you can imagine what else can influence children. 

Ok, some violence is alright.. I'm primarily concerned with the more realistic and violent ones.. like GTA or Halo or something

An episode of Superman caused a child to jump off a building? ohmy.gif
 
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Thats a very old occurance, but yes, it happened.
 
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Well that's one deranged kid.. you can't say that most kids are like that..

However, most kids WILL be influenced by realistic violent games to some extent
 
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QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Jul 9 2004, 4:42 PM)
1) Is it not illegal for youngin's to purchase M-rated games?

That doesn't stop them from trying to acquire one.

I work in a community oriented evironment, and I hear/see out of control kids all the time. Every day there would be at least one whiny brat whose parents would yield to their wants to shut them up.

Seeing as how some parents are over indulging their kids, we must take into consideration that a simple rating will not stop children from acquiring violent games.
 
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That doesn't stop them from trying to acquire one.

I work in a community oriented evironment, and I hear/see out of control kids all the time. Every day there would be at least one whiny brat whose parents would yield to their wants to shut them up.

Seeing as how some parents are over indulging their kids, we must take into consideration that a simple rating will not stop children from acquiring violent games

Exactly.. I think I already mentioned this earlier..

But several of my friends acquired M rated games because:
a. Parents dont know/care about ratings
b. Even if parents care, older siblings sure dont

M rated games mean that you have to be over 18 to purchase, right? So for those of you in this thread replying and defending these (I know some of you have mentioned the fact that you have GTA), how'd you get yours?
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:34 PM)
b. Even if parents care, older siblings sure dont

Ah, older siblings do have their uses after all..... *cough*beer*cough.


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how'd you get yours?

I can get one cuz I'm 19. HAHAHHAHA laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
 
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Ah, older siblings do have their uses after all..... *cough*beer*cough.

Haha.
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Hehe, well I wasnt referring to you.. I know you're not the type to play those kind of games.. judging by your comparison of Mario with GTA earlier in this thread tongue.gif
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:39 PM)
I know you're not the type to play those kind of games.. judging by your comparison of Mario with GTA earlier in this thread  tongue.gif

Snap. You caught me........ but Mario is CLASSIC violence.

I mean, who would kill innocent plants or stomp on unsuspecting turtles? Now that's evil. mellow.gif mellow.gif mellow.gif
 
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Snap. You caught me........ but Mario is CLASSIC violence.

I mean, who would kill innocent plants or stomp on unsuspecting turtles? Now that's evil

Haha I know..

Although you can hardly call firebreathing plants innocent..
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:43 PM)
Haha I know..

Although you can hardly call firebreathing plants innocent..

They're only trying to heat up the world... you know? Give some warmth?

And those horrible dungeons!!! Reminds me of bondage... Kinky adult stuff... I mean, the Princess was locked in a dungeon on one of the levels....

And must I remind you... those poor UNSUSPECTING turtles?!?!

Pshh, guns, blood, and gore, got nothing on stomping and kicking turtles.
 
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And those horrible dungeons!!! Reminds me of bondage... Kinky adult stuff... I mean, the Princess was locked in a dungeon on one of the levels....

And must I remind you... those poor UNSUSPECTING turtles?!?!

Pshh, guns, blood, and gore, got nothing on stomping and kicking turtles.

Hahaha I have to agree with you there tongue.gif

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They're only trying to heat up the world... you know? Give some warmth?

Well.. erm.. volcanoes do that too.. so they'd be "innocent volcanoes"?
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:47 PM)
Well.. erm.. volcanoes do that too.. so they'd be "innocent volcanoes"?

Vocanoes are innocent until they kill someone. (Then they'd be guilty of killing).

But most of those plants never touched Mario.
 
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Vocanoes are innocent until they kill someone. (Then they'd be guilty of killing).

Most of those plants never touched Mario.

Haha, says you! I hated those things pinch.gif
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:50 PM)
Haha, says you! I hated those things pinch.gif

I mean, there was a time, when I was scared of turtles because I thought something bad was going to happen if I touched them... Yes, I was a stupid and imaginative 5 year old, so sue me. << Example of how kids take some games seriously.

You hate the plants? Pshh, I'd pay good money to have those planted in front of my house.
 
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I mean, there was a time, when I was scared of turtles because I thought something bad was going to happen if I touched them... Yes, I was a stupid and imaginative 5 year old, so sue me. << Example of how kids take some games seriously.

Hahaha, that's cute tongue.gif

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Ooh.. so like a moat made of those plants..
 
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 9 2004, 10:59 PM)
Hahaha, that's cute tongue.gif

Ah, but it annoyed the heck out of my brother because he couldn't have one for a pet until I was 10 or so.

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Ooh.. so like a moat made of those plants..


Yes! I'd be the Princess inside my house (aka castle), waiting for Mario (some random person) to save me. << example of how video games can affect some young adults.
 
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Ah, but it annoyed the heck out of my brother because he couldn't have one for a pet until I was 10 or so.

Hehe, poor guy

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Yes! I'd be the Princess inside my house (aka castle), waiting for Mario (some random person) to save me. << example of how video games can affect some young adults.

LOL awesome analogy laugh.gif
 
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Some kid drowned because he tried to get to Bikini Bottom. It's the parents, not the games.
 
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Some kid drowned because he tried to get to Bikini Bottom. It's the parents, not the games. 

Again, one rare example..
 
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Again, one rare example..

laugh.gif It's strange how stuff like that happens.
 
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Meh.. freak accidents?
 

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