VP Debate, Palin v. Biden Options

[shanaynay]

Starts in a half hour. Who's watching it, and what do you expect from it?

[1angel3]

Oh thanks for reminding me.

[only-tuesdays]

I have an interview so I'm setting it to record. I'll watch it later tonight. Should be interesting.

[mipadi]

I'm watching it now. On CNN. What's with all this shit that CNN's putting on the sides of the screen?

In other news, I'm tired of politicians talking about tax breaks for working families. I don't care. What about tax breaks for single grad students? Trust me, we need the money a lot more. And I'll tell you what, if I had any more money, I would go out and spend it. Right now. That's economic stimulation.

[*paperplane*]

I'm watching it on cnn.com because the tv is being used to Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. It irks me that she's asked a question and then answers a completely different one.

[*absinthe*]

It irks me that she's asked a question and then answers a completely different one.

I agree.

Wait I totally missed it. Did they both agree that they weren't for gay marriage?

[technicolour]

^ I think they.....did.

[manic]

I didn't know that they were both against gay marriage. I was like :o.

I just came in on it a few minutes ago. Its funny how they give big shit-eating grins when the other is talking about them.

[misoshiru]

palin is a dumb bitch.

[*paperplane*]

She keeps saying "nucular." ffs.

[Melissa]

palin is a dumb bitch.

[shanaynay]

her avoiding the question thing annoys me...

But biden usually talks about what Obama said, not his opinion.

[Amaranthus]

Biden looks unhealthily orange.

[technicolour]

STOP SAYING WHAT MCCAIN AND FREAKING OBAMA SUPPORT.

SAY YOUR OWN FLIPPING OPINION PEOPLE.


OMG. Seriously.

[misoshiru]

She keeps saying "nucular." ffs.

and Senator O'Biden

[Melissa]

wtf, did she just say "doggonit?"

[misoshiru]

yeah. and i just realized, she got the name of the commander general in Afghanistan wrong. It's McKiernan not McClellan

[technicolour]

Biden is a manipulative bastard who JUST WENT OVER HIS FREAKING TIME.


Red light means shut up guys.

[misoshiru]

well then, someone should have given palin the red light the entire time

[brooklyneast05]

well then, someone should have given palin the red light the entire time

[technicolour]

well then, someone should have given palin the red light the entire time

She didn't keep rambling over her allotted time.

[DoubleJ]

She really said say it ain't so Joe....LMAO!

[Amaranthus]

I love when it's over they go "OMG I LOVE YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH."
For what?

[misoshiru]

She didn't keep rambling over her allotted time.

SHE RAMBLED SHIT THE ENTIRE TIME. i don't care if they go over the allotted time. none of the shit she spews (unless it's memorized) is meaningful.

[hi-C]

In other news, I'm tired of politicians talking about tax breaks for working families. I don't care. What about tax breaks for single grad students? Trust me, we need the money a lot more. And I'll tell you what, if I had any more money, I would go out and spend it. Right now. That's economic stimulation.

Preach it.

STOP SAYING WHAT MCCAIN AND FREAKING OBAMA SUPPORT.

SAY YOUR OWN FLIPPING OPINION PEOPLE.
OMG. Seriously.

As the VP nominees, they're supposed to be surrogates for the presidential nominees, meaning they speak for them in their absence. And for all intents and purposes they're supposed to support whatever their principal supports.

wtf, did she just say "doggonit?"

I had the same reaction.

yeah. and i just realized, she got the name of the commander general in Afghanistan wrong. It's McKiernan not McClellan

OMG, she said McClellan?! Really? I missed that! Oooh, that was a gaffe.

[Simba]

lol nuclear

Palin said some pretty corny ish

[Amaranthus]

She sounds so country, that I forgot that she wasn't even southern.

[Simba]

Yeah, she's waaay up north, ha ha.

[hi-C]

Don'cha'know, Bahb-bee?

[DrEaMgUy2K1]

she pranced around questions and didnt really put up and didnt really say anything sparking or interesting, not a great debate from her but she did sound a little bit more knowledgable.

Biden was pretty strong and attacked moderately without looking like a bully. he did well.

as far as both of them saying what their president candidate would do, as part of their job right now, they have to let the people know who is obama, who is mccain. vice president backs up the president

[misoshiru]

palin can't answer questions.

[Teesa]

all sarah palin had to do was say a few smart sentences, so she passed the test-for herself, not mccain.

but joe biden obviously did a better job (even though i'm slightly bias since i'm in love with him, hahaa) and he did what he was supposed to do-attack mccain and his policies. he showed great restraint which must have been so hard for him!

and ohh, when he brought up the topic of his sons

[misoshiru]

and the thing about the current number troops in iraq being lower than the troop increase in 2007 is such a lie

[Teesa]

^oh yeah, just checked that on the factchecker. uhmmm, no.

[*cakedout*]

who wants to place bets on when mccain croaks like a lil bitch

[freeridefight]

palin is a dumb bitch.

x2

[Reidar]

she pranced around questions

As did Biden. For example, neither candidate answered the question about what they perceive their Achilles' heel to be. And when they were asked about how their administration would differ from their respective candidates if something were to happen to them, both of them pretty much droned on about how tightly they share their viewpoints instead of going along with the question. That was actually the only question that Palin did better at answering because she at least made reference to her difference with McCain on ANWR.

So Palin didn't do as atrociously as I thought she would, but Biden definitely came out looking the better of the two.

[misoshiru]

uh...palin was all like "I DUN HAVE AN ACHILLES HEEL"





bitch please. her existence is her achilles heel.

[hi-C]

Biden managed to answer that Achilles heel more directly than Palin, whose response was pretty much:

uh...palin was all like "I DUN HAVE AN ACHILLES HEEL"

bitch please. her existence is her achilles heel.

[Reidar]

Yeah, no. I have that exact clip right in front of me. Neither answered the question. Biden started off with a joke and then said, "Others talk about my excessive passion." He then went on to say how he's "not going to change" before moving on to saying how his and Obama's record is more substantiative than McCain's. That's not saying what your Achilles' heel is.

[hi-C]

Didn't that identify "excessive passion" as his Achilles heel? It's at least an acknowledgment of the question, which is more than Palin did.

[Reidar]

Didn't that identify "excessive passion" as his Achilles heel? It's at least an acknowledgment of the question, which is more than Palin did.

That would be identifying what others think your Achilles' heel is, not what you think it to be.

If he had said, "I think I have a problem with excessive passion", that would at least be direct, but also a complete cop-out, as if being passionate is hard-hitting criticism of one's own character.

On the questions that Biden did address directly, though (and it was a lot of them), he did a very good job. He was able to cite specific pieces of legislation and the contexts that went around them.

[berrypop90]

Palin changed subjects and veered off course the whole night. She'd always go back to "my strong loving family this my close family that" who the f**k cares about your family? I want straight direct answers about the topics at hand. And have ya'll noticed all of the unnecessary smiling that McCain/Palin have done throughout these debates? WHY are the smiling as they're talking about war and they failing economy?? I'm not saying Obama/Biden were perfect, they had some flaws in their answers, but they seemed to take the debate much more seriously.

[andrewexd]

booo this was no katie couric intervew

[fameONE]

and the thing about the current number troops in iraq being lower than the troop increase in 2007 is such a lie

Palin changed subjects and veered off course the whole night. She'd always go back to "my strong loving family this my close family that" who the f**k cares about your family? I want straight direct answers about the topics at hand. And have ya'll noticed all of the unnecessary smiling that McCain/Palin have done throughout these debates? WHY are the smiling as they're talking about war and they failing economy?? I'm not saying Obama/Biden were perfect, they had some flaws in their answers, but they seemed to take the debate much more seriously.

[brooklyneast05]

i agree with teesa, she looked good for herself. she did good enough to quiet down all the katie couric interview talk. she didn't come off like a complete idiot. it wasn't a performance that would sway the undecided voters imo. then again, i don't think vp's doing good is going to sway them too much anyway. for the people who support her and have had to watch her be a really big dumbass for the last week or so, it probably makes them feel a little less stupid for supporting her.


i thought biden won though. i thought when he was direct he did a better job, and either way he looked more ready to be a president than she did. i just can't see her running the country...

"I may not answer the question the way you want to hear at all, but I'll talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record how folksy i am," Palin said.

[misoshiru]

although I will say that I was impressed with the fact that Palin could spew out her memorized answers (although getting some of them wrong) and keep the whole soccer mom thing going. And now, she just needs to get back to alaska and stay there until she withers.

[DoubleJ]

Overall I think that Biden won. As some have stated before, he was much more clear and concise with his answers. He is definitely somebody that should be leading this country should something happen to Obama. Palin did what she was supposed to do, and that was quiet some of the critics. Did she have some classic Palin moments along the way? Yes....but she also was able to remain even throughout the night.

[superstitious]

although I will say that I was impressed with the fact that Palin could spew out her memorized answers (although getting some of them wrong) and keep the whole soccer mom thing going. And now, she just needs to get back to alaska and stay there until she withers.

Funny you should say that. The whole time I was thinking that she would be a really good actress, seeing as she's good at memorizing scripts and staying in character.

[sixfive]

Funny you should say that. The whole time I was thinking that she would be a really good actress, seeing as she's good at memorizing scripts and staying in character.

Isn't that what politics is?

[superstitious]

Isn't that what politics is?

DING!

[fameONE]

I would have liked to see Biden rip into Palin, well, the McCain campaign in general, a lot more. He seemed to be holding back. He could up the ante during the second debate and connect with a haymaker during the third, but that would be really typical. We'll see how Obama does during round 2 with McCain. The outcome of tha may dictate how Biden responds to Palin's hillbilly babbling.

[freeridefight]

I would of liked to have seen Palin have more direct opionons other than what McCain's were

[brooklyneast05]

why? the vice presidential candidates are supposed to share the views of the presidential one...if they expressed a bunch of differing opinions people would be like oh so you think your candidate is wrong eh????

i'm confused by the couple people in here who have said that. that they needed to tell their opinions, not just mccain or obama's opinions.

[sixfive]

They don't know what a platform is, it's okay.

[freeridefight]

why? the vice presidential candidates are supposed to share the views of the presidential one...if they expressed a bunch of differing opinions people would be like oh so you think your candidate is wrong eh????

i'm confused by the couple people in here who have said that. that they needed to tell their opinions, not just mccain or obama's opinions.

Yeah, they are supposed to share opinions but I want to hear that it's their own opinion, and that they are just not saying it's their opinion because they are on their ticket.

[Tramatize]

I didn't know that they were both against gay marriage. I was like :o.

Obama/Biden isn't.
Mccain/Palin are.
Biden said that he thinks it should be up to the church.
Palin thought he said he was against it.

[Teesa]

"I may not answer the question the way you want to hear at all, but I'll talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record how folksy i am," Palin said.

i seriously do not understand how her folksy talk attracts people. it just dumbs her down.

I would have liked to see Biden rip into Palin, well, the McCain campaign in general, a lot more. He seemed to be holding back. He could up the ante during the second debate and connect with a haymaker during the third, but that would be really typical. We'll see how Obama does during round 2 with McCain. The outcome of tha may dictate how Biden responds to Palin's hillbilly babbling.

it would have been awful for biden and the obama campaign if biden did attack her. that's the thing-he did restrain himself-so much! if you've seen biden in past debates, he certainly does not hold back on anything, but he had to last night because people do not like seeing (obviously) a man "attacking" a woman. the george h. w. bush v. geraldine ferraro debate certainly proved that.

and about him not addressing the achilles heel question. first of all, i thought that was kind of a dumb question. but anyways, i think biden did just fine by saying he wouldn't change because duh-he's not, so there's no point in wasting precious time talking about him not being disciplined when he's going to stay the same. well, i definitely thought he showed great discipline last night!

[andrewexd]

wtf is a joe six pack and doesnt she realize nobody in america plays hockey ?

[Comptine]

I thought Biden did a great job of balancing his views and propogating Obama's views. The VP debate usually serves to get a better view of the presidential candidates but also, a bit of insight on the second-in-line person. Biden, I think, was able to distinguish that even though he agrees on a lot of things with Obama, he did mention a few times where he differs.

About the gay marriage thing, Palin totally twisted it and if someone wasn't paying attention, they would think they both aren't for gay marriage. Correct me if I'm wrong (it was a very confusing back and forth), Sarah Palin said that she believes (in civil terms) same-sex couples should be treated the same as heterosexual couples. It goes to Biden who says that gay people should get the exact same rights, including marriage, as heterosexual couples and that we shouldn't get hung up on whether to legally decide the definition of marriage (which should be left to people to act according to do so aka whether or not they themselves want to get a gay marriage). He then goes to say, "So I agree with Sarah Palin as in we both support gay marriage..."

She goes... wtf... NO. "Well, I don't support gay marriage... so we agree on that."

The commentator even shakes her head and goes, "Well, if we agree on that."

I thought, for a woman whose family is estimated at 1.2 million dollars, it was absolutely senseless for Palin to keep playing the I'm one of you, I'm from Middle America, I'm middle class, etc. She played the 'common person card'. This woman could potentially be the president of the US. She shouldn't be a common person. I wouldn't want my next door neighbor being our leader. She should be indefinitely more qualified than the common man/woman.

[Reidar]

and about him not addressing the achilles heel question. first of all, i thought that was kind of a dumb question. but anyways, i think biden did just fine by saying he wouldn't change because duh-he's not, so there's no point in wasting precious time talking about him not being disciplined when he's going to stay the same. well, i definitely thought he showed great discipline last night!

It was a good question. I want to see if these talking-heads have an ability to take responsibility for their actions. Denying major errors is a key problem that most people have with Bush, and recognizing self-shortcomings in certain areas is part of that process.

And Biden saying he wouldn't change is a non sequitur. That's not answering the question. He wasn't asked, "What would you do to rectify your less flattering aspects?"

Also, I don't know where people are getting the idea that Obama and Biden support gay marriage. "No" wasn't exactly an answer that left a lot open to interpretation.

[Teesa]

well, we'll disagree on that. but i think it was obvious that he was admitting that he was not disciplined by saying he would not change. i don't know what you wanted to hear exactly.


all the candidates oppose same-sex marriage. here's a more in-depth look at how they stand on gay marriage, among other issues:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/is...exmarriage.html

[Reidar]

well, we'll disagree on that. but i think it was obvious that he was admitting that he was not disciplined by saying he would not change. i don't know what you wanted to hear exactly.

That would be redundant, because a lack of discipline is the example that the moderator used.

Also, "I'm not going to change" was transitioned into a positive context, not a critical one. He was talking about how he would stand by his principles, regardless of whether or not people want him to.

[sixfive]

which one would win in a deathmatch!

[Reidar]

Now you're speaking my language.

[sixfive]

iTry

[coconutter]

She keeps saying "nucular." ffs.

did she pick that up from george bush or something?

[Teesa]

That would be redundant, because a lack of discipline is the example that the moderator used.

Also, "I'm not going to change" was transitioned into a positive context, not a critical one. He was talking about how he would stand by his principles, regardless of whether or not people want him to.

of course it was transitioned into a positive one! even though people want to hear about candidate's faults or whatever, they're most likely not going to hear about them (unless it's their opponent, obviously). it sucks, but side-stepping questions (although i think biden clearly did a better job of answering questions directly) is so common that i don't get why people are surprised when candidates go another direction. it happens alllll the time.

[lkajsfklajskds]

19 most ridiculous moments from the vp debate

[dowhead]

Merriam-Webster

Main Entry:
nu·cle·ar Listen to the pronunciation of nuclear Listen to the pronunciation of nuclear
Pronunciation:
\ˈnü-klē-ər, ˈnyü-, ÷-kyə-lər\


usage Though disapproved of by many, pronunciations ending in \\-kyə-lər\\ have been found in widespread use among educated speakers including scientists, lawyers, professors, congressmen, United States cabinet members, and at least two United States presidents and one vice president. While most common in the United States, these pronunciations have also been heard from British and Canadian speakers.

Just verifying

[Reidar]

of course it was transitioned into a positive one!

Which was exactly the opposite of what the question called for. That wouldn't be an issue if the aforementioned "it" was an answer to the question in the first place.

i don't get why people are surprised when candidates go another direction. it happens alllll the time.

Being critical =/= being surprised. I doubt anyone picking apart Palin's many gaffes are actually surprised about them by now.

[misoshiru]

19 most ridiculous moments from the vp debate

do you do anything other than post links?



This post has been edited by paperplane: Oct 3 2008, 09:29 PM

Reason for edit: don't double post, yo

[*paperplane*]

Yeah, I saw that and was amused.

As much as I don't get why that girl only posts links, that one entertained me quite a bit.

[fameONE]

i seriously do not understand how her folksy talk attracts people. it just dumbs her down.
it would have been awful for biden and the obama campaign if biden did attack her. that's the thing-he did restrain himself-so much! if you've seen biden in past debates, he certainly does not hold back on anything, but he had to last night because people do not like seeing (obviously) a man "attacking" a woman. the george h. w. bush v. geraldine ferraro debate certainly proved that.

Good point. I really don't like that double standard, though. If she wants to put on a flak jacket and kevlar in order to go to war, she should get equal treatment. In a fight to the death, if a woman wants to kill like a man, then she can die like one, too, but that couldn't possibly apply to the "equal and fair playing field" of politics, could it?

rant

I don't see the charm in Sarah Palin. She's young enough and still has the body to get it, but nothing more. It's like McCain pats her on the head and says, "now that's a good little gal," slaps her ass, then demands a beer while he basks in his own glory. Where is the appeal in that? Political strategy? Hardly.

/rant

[Teesa]

^i know, i totally hate that double standard. i remember that my first thought was that joe would absolutely destroy her, but i realized that couldn't possibly happen. he showed tremendous restraint-he didn't even correct her when she kept saying "mccellan" instead of mckiernan.


edit//

Biden is a manipulative bastard who JUST WENT OVER HIS FREAKING TIME.
Red light means shut up guys.

She didn't keep rambling over her allotted time.

i just saw these posts and hope that whoever said this was joking. the time allotted to answer questions is hardly an issue. if candidates go over their time, the moderator should be the one to say something. if they don't, candidates are most likely making their point.

and 'manipulative'? what?

This post has been edited by Teesa: Oct 4 2008, 10:36 PM

[andrewexd]

even her kids are pinheads

[fameONE]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2czc1ua.jpg
even her kids are pinheads

You're reaching. That has what to do with politics, exactly?

[andrewexd]

nothing. It was a cute pic though.

[fameONE]

nothing. It was a cute pic though.

I lol'd at that.

[andrewexd]

+ shes wearing the new bape maternity line